From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #326 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, August 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 326 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Friends of Fred and Joni ["Kakki" ] Re: Marcel reviews DED Part 1. (long and treacherous content) [SCJoniGuy] Joni items for sale [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Friends of Fred and Joni [AsharaJM@aol.com] RE: Friends of Fred and Joni ["Peg Eves" ] Re: DESTE on DED [B Merrill ] Re: Friends of Fred and Joni [SMEBD@aol.com] Test [Mg41mk34@aol.com] RE: DESTE on DED ["Peg Eves" ] Re: Test [Heather ] re: Turntable help ["c Karma" ] Joni-Fred Walecki Benefit [Mg41mk34@aol.com] These are the guys who are upset with Napster ? [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: DESTE on DED (SJC/DKPC) [Don Rowe ] Re: DESTE on DED [Catherine McKay ] Re: DED Part 2 (long and dangerous content) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Remember when? [Don Rowe ] RE: Test ["Wally Kairuz" ] Antidote for the Blues? [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Antidote for the Blues? [hessj@ix.netcom.com] misery ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: These are the guys who are upset with Napster ? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: misery ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: These are the guys who are upset with Napster ? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Joni rehearsing with The Band [Matthew Snyder ] that song about the midway SJC ["James Phillips" ] Amelia ["Michael Paz" ] BeaTles (VLJC) ["Michael Paz" ] RE: Joni items for sale ["patrick leader" ] Re: Antidote for the Blues? [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Remember when? [Slac ] Joni ~ SongBooks to buy [simon@icu.com] WMMR Archives # 1 Needed [Julian51469@aol.com] DED Synth Textures ["c Karma" ] Re: DED Synth Textures [Don Rowe ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 04:17:19 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Friends of Fred and Joni Got home late from the Fred Walecki benefit and after-party. Joni did not make an appearance but so many of her friends did that I think this qualifies as related Joni content and hey, there's still one more night to go ;-) O...my...my.. I took many notes but at some point I actually started just writing OH MY GOD on my scraps of paper in the dark. The biggest of many astounding moments of the night was the historical occurence of THE BYRDS reuniting. The REAL BYRDS, the real ones, the originals - McGuinn, Hillman and Crosby, oh my God. You gotta understand, to some of us, especially L.A. natives, this is like the Beatles reuniting. The night had been filled with many cheers and standing ovations but this went off the charts. McGuinn and Hillman looked like they had not aged a day in 35 years, and even thought Croz has aged he still has his 1965 voice. I saw CPR guitar god Jeff Pevar sitting off to right stage watching this and he beamed his face off. After the show I met up with Steve and Michelle Dulson and Steve and Leslie Mixon and the first thing we collectively screamed was "THE BYRDS". They played Mr. Tambourine Man and Turn, Turn, Turn. Darice got the chance to volunteer at the concession stand and the afterparty and upon seeing her it was the same reaction. Oh my, I could write an entire post on each act there tonight and on Fred Walecki himself but I must rest up to do this again manana. It was beyond incredibly wonderful. Absolutely magical and sweet and amazing. I'll leave it to Steve and Leslie to fill in more details. Here's the short version of the line-up: House Band: Ry Cooder (standing "o"s all night); Bernie Leadon; Ethan Johns; Jennifer Condos; Andy Fairweather Low; Albert Lee Randy Meisner and Friends (Eagles); Colin Hay (Men At Work); Warren Zevon w/Jackson Browne; Jackson alone; Actor Jeff Bridges; Jackson and Bonnie Raitt; Bonnie alone with Freebo; Crosby Nash, Pevar and Raymond; Chris Hillman and Herb Peterson; Spinal Tap (!); McGuinn, Hillman, Crosby (BYRDS); Chris Hillman and Emmy Lou Harris; Emmy Lou and Linda Ronstadt; Linda Ronstadt and her young niece also named Linda Ronstadt ;-); Don Henley and Eagles alumni; and then everyone for the grand finale. At the afterparty being incredibly gracious and friendly to everyone: Emmy Lou; Graham Nash; Stephen Bishop; Jeff Pevar; Jeff Bridges; Henry Diltz and Freebo. I had not planned to go tonight and have to give MAJOR thanks to our simon who had planned to come out for both nights and then had to cancel. He generously Express Mailed his tickets and party pass to me. I wish I had a mini-disc recorder of this night! ;-) Tomorrow night another jmdler will be the beneficiary of his generosity. Thank you simon, wish you could have been there. The resourceful Darice has me set up to do volunteer work at the afterparty tomorrow heehee ;-) It was perfect, it was beautiful. John Calimee has raved here on the list about the wonderful friendship he has struck up with Fred. Everyone seems to rave about him and now I see why. The man exudes so much heart and sweetness, it has to be seen to be believed. What a night. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 08:14:09 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Marcel reviews DED Part 1. (long and treacherous content) <> Jim, enjoying your comments about DED...but... Going right after Ad Empires & Big Business is very cliche, and imo nothing to especially proud of... And for the record, JT skewers big business on songs like "Stand & Fight" from "Dad Loves His Work", and very humorously on In The Pocket's "Money Machine": "General Motors, IBM, The AF of L, the CIA, And all the King's Men, When I began the game, See me singing 'bout Fire & Rain, Lemme just say it again, I've seen Fives and I've seen Tens" JT is a MUCH better composer than he gets credit for... Bob NP: John Hiatt, "Thank You Girl" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:13:22 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni items for sale I still have several copies of the Mendel Catalog for sale, as well as some posters from the Mendel Exhibit, and some items from the concerts in May that I purchased for people, and they changed their minds about. (A hat and mug.) I am only looking to cover my costs, and get them out of my house. Please e-mail me privately if you are interested in any of these items. Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:19:15 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Friends of Fred and Joni Kakki, I always love your post concert posts!! Thank you for this one, and I can't WAIT to hear more! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:38:04 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Friends of Fred and Joni Wow! The ------' Byrds!!That must have been incredible!! Yahooooo! Thanks for sharing. What else?! Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kakki > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 7:17 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Friends of Fred and Joni > > > Got home late from the Fred Walecki benefit and after-party. > Joni did not > make an appearance but so many of her friends did that I think this > qualifies as related Joni content and hey, there's still one more night to > go ;-) > > O...my...my.. I took many notes but at some point I actually started just > writing OH MY GOD on my scraps of paper in the dark. The biggest of many > astounding moments of the night was the historical occurence of THE BYRDS > reuniting. The REAL BYRDS, the real ones, the originals - > McGuinn, Hillman > and Crosby, oh my God. You gotta understand, to some of us, > especially L.A. > natives, this is like the Beatles reuniting. The night had been > filled with > many cheers and standing ovations but this went off the charts. > McGuinn and > Hillman looked like they had not aged a day in 35 years, and even thought > Croz has aged he still has his 1965 voice. I saw CPR guitar god > Jeff Pevar > sitting off to right stage watching this and he beamed his face > off. After > the show I met up with Steve and Michelle Dulson and Steve and > Leslie Mixon > and the first thing we collectively screamed was "THE BYRDS". > They played > Mr. Tambourine Man and Turn, Turn, Turn. Darice got the chance to > volunteer > at the concession stand and the afterparty and upon seeing her it was the > same reaction. > > Oh my, I could write an entire post on each act there tonight and on Fred > Walecki himself but I must rest up to do this again manana. It was beyond > incredibly wonderful. Absolutely magical and sweet and amazing. > I'll leave > it to Steve and Leslie to fill in more details. Here's the short > version of > the line-up: > > House Band: Ry Cooder (standing "o"s all night); Bernie Leadon; > Ethan Johns; > Jennifer Condos; Andy Fairweather Low; Albert Lee > > Randy Meisner and Friends (Eagles); Colin Hay (Men At Work); Warren Zevon > w/Jackson Browne; Jackson alone; Actor Jeff Bridges; Jackson and Bonnie > Raitt; Bonnie alone with Freebo; Crosby Nash, Pevar and Raymond; Chris > Hillman and Herb Peterson; Spinal Tap (!); McGuinn, Hillman, > Crosby (BYRDS); > Chris Hillman and Emmy Lou Harris; Emmy Lou and Linda Ronstadt; Linda > Ronstadt and her young niece also named Linda Ronstadt ;-); Don Henley and > Eagles alumni; and then everyone for the grand finale. > > At the afterparty being incredibly gracious and friendly to > everyone: Emmy > Lou; Graham Nash; Stephen Bishop; Jeff Pevar; Jeff Bridges; Henry > Diltz and > Freebo. > > I had not planned to go tonight and have to give MAJOR thanks to our simon > who had planned to come out for both nights and then had to cancel. He > generously Express Mailed his tickets and party pass to me. I wish I had a > mini-disc recorder of this night! ;-) Tomorrow night another > jmdler will be > the beneficiary of his generosity. Thank you simon, wish you > could have been > there. The resourceful Darice has me set up to do volunteer work at the > afterparty tomorrow heehee ;-) > > It was perfect, it was beautiful. > > John Calimee has raved here on the list about the wonderful friendship he > has struck up with Fred. Everyone seems to rave about him and now I see > why. The man exudes so much heart and sweetness, it has to be seen to be > believed. What a night. > > Kakki > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:27:25 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: DESTE on DED Hi Don, the chord voicings (I'm real >keen on that, being a demon keyboard player) are >still, I say, 100% JM. Nobody, but nobody got synth >textures like those on DED. And you attribute these textures to Joni, and not Thomas Dolby? Textures = chord voicings-- as opposed to Synth programming? It's really the main >reason I love the album so much, and also the main >reason I chafe at comments that dismiss it as "synth >pop." Soft Cell is synth pop, Human League is synth >pop -- not so DED. But overall -- very nice analysis. >Don Rowe Bruce PS Was there anyone else who missed out on Part One of Marcel's DED reflections? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:07:06 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Friends of Fred and Joni Kakki, Thanks you so much for another wonderful report of an evening of music. I must say that this particular evening sounds like a true standout, not only for the music, but for the man they were supporting. I can't believe that The Byrds reunited for the cause--but then again, it sounds exacting like the kind of thing that Crosby et al. would do. I'm so glad that you were there to tell us all about it. Give Emmylou and Linda a big kiss for me :-) tonight at the after party. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:24:18 EDT From: Mg41mk34@aol.com Subject: Test This is just a test, I am a new member and just wanted to make sure you all can hear me!!! someone please respond so I know I belong. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:05:17 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: DESTE on DED > > the chord voicings > >still, I say, 100% JM. Nobody, but nobody got synth > >textures like those on DED. Peg: Nobody, but nobody got voicings like that, period! Not in THOSE combinations!! >Other: > And you attribute these textures to Joni, and not Thomas Dolby? >Other: > Textures = chord voicings-- as opposed to Synth programming? I chafe at comments that dismiss it as "synth > >pop." Soft Cell is synth pop, Human League is synth > >pop -- not so DED. Peg writes: Me too. Thats so true. So it's not about the synth so much as it is about the voicings, one of Joni's signature skills : finding, choosing, inventing inversions, so to speak/??Yes. (Does that term apply?) I generally prefer to hear ALL of that business on the acoustic instrument. It FEELS so well! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:34:26 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: Test you have landed!!!! welcome! Heather At 10:24 AM 8/9/00 -0400, Mg41mk34@aol.com wrote: >This is just a test, I am a new member and just wanted to make sure you all >can hear me!!! someone please respond so I know I belong. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:36:24 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Turntable help If memory serves me right, first you must make sure the turntable is LEVEL. The tonearm has a delicate balance of weights that insures accurate tracking and a minimum of wear if the machine is set in a level environment. Once you have adjusted the weight balances to that specified by your cartridge/stylus, you must adjust the anti-skid knob usually found on the back end of the rear of the tonearm. It's a delicate adjustment to make. Too little tension and the tonearm skids, too much and you'll wear out your records along the outer portion of the grooves. If you have questions or want to make sure you're adjusting the thing properly, you should go to a local audiophile store. I'm sure they'll be happy to help. Whatever you do, though, DON'T tape change to the top of the tonearm. :-) You could also contact the turntable's manufacturer. They will usually send or fax you the original set up instructions free of charge. CC ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:37:25 EDT From: Mg41mk34@aol.com Subject: Joni-Fred Walecki Benefit Hello everyone, I am new, my name is Mike. Does anyone know if Joni performed at the Benefit last night for Fred Walecki in Santa Monica last night? I think there is another show tonight. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:04:21 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: These are the guys who are upset with Napster ? Suit charges record firms cheated consumers By Larry Neumeister The Associated Press August 9, 2000 12:24 a.m. CDT NEW YORK (AP) -- Record companies should pay back millions of dollars in illegal profits they collected by forcing discount stores to raise CD prices in 1995, attorneys general for 28 states alleged in a lawsuit. "These illegal actions certainly have not been music to the ears of the public," New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer said at a news conference on Tuesday as the lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court in Manhattan. The music companies maintain that they threatened to stop supplying discount chains with thousands of advertising dollars in the mid-1990s because the chains were selling CDs at below wholesale cost, driving some record stores out of business. They indicated Tuesday that they would contest the lawsuit. The lawsuit comes three months after the five major music distributors, while admitting no wrongdoing, settled Federal Trade Commission charges they unfairly inflated CD prices. Under that deal, the companies agreed to discontinue minimum advertised price programs that forced retailers to sell music CDs at or above a set level in return for getting substantial advertising funding. Spitzer said the lawsuit, which seeks unspecified damages, was meant to force record companies to pay back the profits they made illegally. He said he could not yet estimate the value of those profits but said the $480 million estimated by the FTC sounded reasonable. Keith Estabrook, a spokesman for BMG Music, said the company still believed that the pricing policy "was a legitimate and appropriate practice and we are confident that the courts will reach the same conclusion." Will Tanous, a Warner Music spokesman, concurred, saying the pricing policies served "a valid business purpose and benefited consumers by substantially furthering retail competition." "It was an appropriate and lawful practice," he added. Dawn Bridges, an EMI Music spokeswoman, said the claims were without merit. Sony Music spokesman Keith McCarthy said he had no comment, while Universal Music did not immediately return a telephone message seeking comment. Doug Curry, a spokesman for the Recording Industry Association of America, declined to comment. The lawsuit by the states essentially does what the FTC promised not to do in its settlement deal: seek damages for past pricing tactics. But the attorneys general said they were seeking damages on behalf of the consumers they represent. They said the record companies in February 1995 conspired to force several large discount retailers to raise prices after the retailers bought CDs in such large volume that they could undercut the prevailing high retail prices. "The purpose of the illegal agreements was to raise prices and reduce retail price competition which threatened the high and stable profit margins for CDs enjoyed by both the defendant labels and distributors and many music retailers," the lawsuit said. The deals initially drew vigorous protests from discount retailers but the chains eventually gave up because the financial penalty for not participating in the scheme was too costly, the lawsuit said. As a result, CD prices stabilized and then rose, the lawsuit said. Besides the record companies, the lawsuit named some large record stores as defendants, including Tower Records. Russ Solomon, chairman of the Sacramento, Calif.-based Tower, did not immediately return a telephone message. But he scoffed at the FTC's prediction earlier this year that the settlement would result in lower CD prices. "Prices are not coming down," he told the Los Angeles Times. "They're already at rock bottom. It's outrageous to mislead music fans to think otherwise." According to the FTC, the five companies distribute 85 percent of the music CDs sold in the United States, an industry that reported a record $15 billion in sales last year. The average CD now costs $14 to $17, though discount stores had once sold some popular CDs for as little as $10. The following states were named as plaintiffs in the lawsuit: Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. Also named as plaintiffs were the Northern Mariana Islands and Puerto Rico. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:31:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: DESTE on DED (SJC/DKPC) - --- B Merrill wrote: > And you attribute these textures to Joni, and not > Thomas Dolby? You bet, and here's why. Dolby may very well have done the programming, setting up the sounds on the Fairlight CMI for Joni ... who's admitted being challenged in this area. BUT ... and here's the DKPC (Demon Keyboard Player Content!): The Fairlight CMI was the first viable "analog modeling" synth. To make a long story short, what the synth did was to generate the enharmonic resonance you get on acoustic instruments like the grand piano. So the Fairlight sound and texture would change depending on the overtones generated by the playing of the notes inthe chords. And since Joni played the parts herself, or certainly created them for others to perform, the resulting texture from the Fairlight was something you've never heard before or since. Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:54:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: DESTE on DED - --- Don Rowe wrote: > I also don't think "Tax Free" is about Grenada -- > the > line in Steiger's monologue about "the Castros and > the > Khadafis" always made me think "that little island > SOUTH of Florida" -- was Cuba. But an interesting > twist, given the military action of the times. > I agree. The Grenada invasion happened around then, but it was a blip really (like, where'd that come from?). Cuba was and still is, apparently, the *big* threat to the far right type of mentality. Steiger (as Don pointed out) mentions "the Castros and the Khadafis (Quadaffis?)"; and Cuba is more what you'd think of as "south of Florida" - Grenada is too far to use Florida as a reference. It's close to Trinidad and Venezuela. (For more info, check out http://www.grenadines.net ) Aaah, makes me want one of those funny drinks with the umbrellas on 'em. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:00:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: DED Part 2 (long and dangerous content) For some reason, I rec'd parts 2 and 3, but can't find part 1. Is it just me? Maybe it's one of those things where I'll receive it... later. Marcel, what is LAMM? ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:13:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Remember when? Boy howdy! And what with all the private vs. public posting wars fought since, the inevitable mix-ups would surely have had forced a change in what JMDL stands for. More like: Just My Dirty Laundry ;-D Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:19:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Remember when? Boy howdy! And what with all the private vs. public posting wars fought since, the inevitable mix-ups would surely have forced a change in what JMDL stands for. More like: Just My Dirty Laundry ;-D Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:23:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Test you do you do you do!!!!! welcome, buddy! wally k - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: "." Enviado: Miércoles 9 de Agosto de 2000 11:24 Asunto: Test > This is just a test, I am a new member and just wanted to make sure you all > can hear me!!! someone please respond so I know I belong. Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:47:24 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Antidote for the Blues? Wednesday August 9 11:29 AM ET Misery And Music Go Hand in Hand in Morose Top 10 LONDON (Reuters) - What do Frank Sinatra, Nirvana and Leonard Cohen have in common? They made some of the most morose albums of all time, the British music magazine NME says. The Top 10 list of misery and tortured souls runs from Big Star's ``Sister Lovers'' and Billie Holiday's ``Lady In Satin'' to two offerings from Joy Division. Sinatra scored for his 1955 album ``In The Wee Small Hours,'' recorded in the same year he reportedly tried to kill himself as his marriage to Ava Gardner disintegrated. ``Music can be the most incredibly positive and uplifting experience and these are all classics,'' NME editor Ben Knowles said. ``But I wouldn't advise listening to too many of them in one sitting.'' And if the music isn't depressing enough, there's the sad footnote of the suicides of Nick Drake, Nirvana's Kurt Cobain and Joy Division's Ian Curtis. Here, according to NME, is the best music to accompany a bout of the blues: 1. ``Sister Lovers'' -- Big Star 2. ``Closer'' -- Joy Division 3. ``Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space'' -- Spiritualized 4. ``In Utero'' -- Nirvana 5. ``Songs Of Love And Hate'' -- Leonard Cohen 6. ``Lady In Satin'' -- Billie Holiday 7. ``In The Wee Small Hours'' -- Frank Sinatra 8. ``Pink Moon'' -- Nick Drake 9. ``Bubble And Scrape'' -- Sebadoh 10. ``Unknown Pleasures'' -- Joy Division ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:55:51 -0400 From: hessj@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Antidote for the Blues? Wait a minute! A Top 10 List of Misery without Joni? I demand a recount! ;) Cheerz, Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, who is far from misery since a shipment of catnip arrived today MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > Wednesday August 9 11:29 AM ET Misery And Music Go Hand in Hand in Morose Top 10 LONDON (Reuters) - What do Frank Sinatra, Nirvana and Leonard Cohen have in common? They made some of the most morose albums of all time, the British music magazine NME says. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:06:58 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: misery "The Top 10 list of misery and tortured souls" How about Michael Bolton? (Sorry, couldn't resist...) ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com www.cdbaby.com/katebennett www.amazon.com "bringing the melancholy world of twilight to life almost like magic…the album grows more intriguing with repeated listening" All Music Guide "lyrically, it's a work of art overall" Indie-Music.com ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:55:20 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: These are the guys who are upset with Napster ? It is a violation of copyright law to copy this Associated Pressstory to this list. I'm sure you've noticed that most intelligent people on this list will provide a link and/or an excerpt when they want to commend such a story to our attention. Please do so in the future. Paul I In a message dated 8/9/00 11:14:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << Suit charges record firms cheated consumers By Larry Neumeister The Associated Press August 9, 2000 12:24 a.m. CDT >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:55:09 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: misery LOL! Seriously though, what about Morrissey/The Smiths (Morrissey's "Bona Drag" or "Vauxhall and I" in particular) , and maybe even Marianne Faithfull's "Strange Weather". Reuben Bell Events and Public Relations Coordinator Glencairn Museum Bryn Athyn, PA www.glencairnmuseum.org >>> "Kate Bennett" 08/09/00 04:06PM >>> "The Top 10 list of misery and tortured souls" How about Michael Bolton? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:21:04 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: These are the guys who are upset with Napster ? In a message dated 8/9/00 4:11:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1 writes: << In a message dated 8/9/00 12:55:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, IVPAUL42 writes: << By Larry Neumeister The Associated Press August 9, 2000 12:24 a.m. CDT >> >> The story was in fact attributed. Please save your lectures for your kids. I will however take the liberty of nominating you for "Nanny of the year" when the vote is distributed. Thank you. marcel. >> Obviously, you are ignorant on copyright law, Marcel, or you'd know that attribution or not, it is still a violation of copyright law to copy or distribute that story to this list or any other. Please follow the practice of the intelligent, informed people on this list, who provide a link and/or an excerpt for such an article. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:23:49 -0400 From: Matthew Snyder Subject: Joni rehearsing with The Band From "This Wheel's On Fire: Levon Helm and the Story of The Band" by Levon Helm with Stephen Davis. Producer John Simon recalls, regarding the rehearsals for "The Last Waltz" involving many guest artists and songs The Band had to learn for the occasion: "No one but Garth [Hudson] read music, so I had to arrange and work with The Band to learn the songs. Everything was complicated. Bob Dylan was expected to show up any minute to rehearse, but never actually made it. Henry Glover, Allen Toussaint, and Tom Malone worked on the horn charts. Joni Mitchell came to rehearsals and couldn't name the weird tunings her songs were written in, so Garth had to figure out the chords." Matt Snyder msnyder@dragonfire.net http://msnyder.dragonfire.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:32:36 GMT From: "James Phillips" Subject: that song about the midway SJC Dear all, I have a huge favour to ask of any of our guitar players. Here goes: On her 1974 album, Streetlights, Bonnie Raitt did a wonderful reading of Joni's The Midway. I know that Bonnie played that in dropD tuning capoed at the second fret. What I need help is what chords or chord shapes did Miss Raitt play? This song has baffled me for a long time. Email me offlist if you can help, James Phillips ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:46:21 GMT From: "James Phillips" Subject: tape trade? Dear list: I'm wanting to procure a casette copy of the Just Ice live tape. I would be interested in trading for a copy I have of Rickie Lee Jones last year at the Old Town School of Folk Music in Chicago. If interested, please email me privately. Thanks, James ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:45:45 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Amelia Amy wrote: "At 5:08 PM -0400 8/6/00, Allaber@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone have a transcription of "Amelia" in standard tuning? > >~Amy Amy- Did someone give you that transcription? I can teach you that song in alternate tuning in nothing flat. Are you going to Jonifest? There WILL be guitar clinics and all night sing a longs. I have both transcriptions should you need them still. Best, michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:08:45 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: BeaTles (VLJC) Rose wrote: "Wow, that's an incredible story. Your dad sure must love you Michael. Do you remember what songs they played? Could you hear the music, that's my next question? LOL" Rose- Yes you could hear somewhat of the music but the screaming was deafening. The sound systems were not that great back then, but my lucky proximity the stage allowed me to hear pretty good. The setlists are well documented for the 64 tour and of course I failed to post that it was in Detroit that I saw them before the family packed up the family 65 Belair station wagon and drove to Honduras (just under 5000 miles) through New Orleans and my first Mardi Gras (when they were still throwing glass beads). I don't remember the setlists, but I do remember thinking I wanted to be Paul or John when I grew up. As it turns out, it could have been a great career choice to be a kinghted wealthiest man in Britain. Eric wrote: "Has anyone seen Paul McCartney live? I've missed him every time he's come around to my area. I'll bet that's a great show to see." Eric- I saw McCartney on his last world tour when they came to New Orleans during Jazz Fest. He played a show in the Superdome and it was fantastic. He sounded like he was 23 years old again. I was on crutches at the time (I had taken a spill at Jazz Fest) and had to walk a mile from whre we parked the car, but I made it. I managed to sneak past security (being a handicapped person and all) to get all the way to the second row for about 5 songs including All My Loving (one of my faves). I thought the sound was fab at the show, but some friends who were not on the floor said it sucked. I went with one of my oldest friends (who I play tons of Beatles songs with on a regular basis) Dan and my wife and we all ended up in tears during Yetesrday. I have a great shot of Paul from that show that was given to me by Joni Mitchell/Sarah MaLachlan/Peter Gabriel/Robbie Robertson/Daniel Lanois/Sinead Lohan/etc. guitarist-guitorganist Bill Dillon. There is a video and cd available from that tour that is quite good. Michael (pretty talkitive/typeative today) NP-Night In the City-STAS/JM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:55:30 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Joni items for sale I'm just going to reply all, to say that i got my catalog, specially picked up for me by ashara, and it is truly gorgeous. the reproduction of 'turbulent indigo' on the wrap-cover alone would be worth the price. i can't imagine any serious joni-fan being with out this, and it was certainly not expensive. please help ashara get these off her hands, and do yourself a huge favor. patrick np - ded >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >AsharaJM@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:13 AM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Joni items for sale > > >I still have several copies of the Mendel Catalog for sale, as >well as some >posters from the Mendel Exhibit, and some items from the concerts >in May that >I purchased for people, and they changed their minds about. (A hat >and mug.) >I am only looking to cover my costs, and get them out of my house. Please >e-mail me privately if you are interested in any of these items. > >Hugs, >Ashara >www.photon.net/lightnet > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:34:49 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Antidote for the Blues? In a message dated 8/9/00 2:08:08 PM, MDESTE1@aol.com forwarded an article from Reuters entitled "Misery And Music Go Hand in Hand in Morose Top 10": << The Top 10 list of misery and tortured souls runs from Big Star's ``Sister Lovers'' and Billie Holiday's ``Lady In Satin'' to two offerings from Joy Division. >> What, no Tom Waits? Dory Previn? Edith Piaf? And what about Irish music in general? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:40:40 -0700 From: Slac Subject: Re: Remember when? Jim the man wrote: > Remember when we argued for weeks (months?) about whether or not hitting the > "Reply" button should create a message aimed at the List? :) Wow, was that > the most boring thread in history or what? :) Yes and YES it was really, really BORING! Are you suggesting that we begin THAT petty war again? How does the reply function work now anyway? I'm digesting so I find myself copying and pasting ad naseum...I'll bet you're relieved ;~) - -- Susan L.A. I am your angel ;~) HARLEY PARKING ONLY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:45:04 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Joni ~ SongBooks to buy Peg recently asked about JONI Songbooks > >Subject: Songbooks >Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:25:58 -0400 > >Anyone, >Where is there a complete list of Joni's songbooks to buy? >Peg > Peg, try: Capitol Music Center 718 Virginia Street Seattle, WA 98101 M-F / 9:30am - 6:00pm Sat / 9:30am - 5:30pm (206) 622-0171 (800) 426-9846 they list -8- seperate titles _as_ currently available. last friday (8-4-00) they actually had these -4- (<<<<<) on hand/in stock for immediate shipment. 8 items match "joni mitchell" Joni Mitchell / Both Sides Now As performed by Joni Mitchell. Original Sheet Music Arranged for Piano-Vocal-Guitar. Published by Warner Brothers. Catalog Number: WBVS0059. Our Price: $3.95 Ships in 4 to 6 business days. Joni Mitchell / Chelsea Morning As performed by Joni Mitchell. Composed by Joni Mitchell. Original Sheet Music Arranged for Piano-Vocal-Guitar. Published by Warner Brothers. Catalog Number: WBVS0063. Our Price: $3.95 Ships in 4 to 6 business days. Joni Mitchell / Hits <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< As performed by Joni Mitchell. Guitar Personality Books (Note-For-Note Guitar Transcription). Published by Warner Brothers. Catalog Number: WBPG9666. List: $21.95 Our Price: $20.63 ~ You Save: $1.32 (6%) Usually ships in 24 hours. Joni Mitchell / Misses <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< As performed by Joni Mitchell. Guitar Personality Books (Note-For-Note Guitar Transcription). Published by Warner Brothers. Catalog Number: WBPG9667. List: $21.95 Our Price: $20.63 ~ You Save: $1.32 (6%) Usually ships in 24 hours. Joni Mitchell / Taming The Tiger <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< As performed by Joni Mitchell. Personality Songbooks arranged for Piano-Vocal-Guitar. Published by Warner Brothers. Catalog Number: WBPF9832. List: $19.95 Our Price: $18.95 ~ You Save: $1.00 (5%) Usually ships in 24 hours. Joni Mitchell / Anthology As performed by Joni Mitchell. Personality Songbooks arranged for Piano-Vocal-Guitar. Published by Warner Brothers. Catalog Number: WBVF1052. List: $18.95 Our Price: $18.00 ~ You Save: $0.95 (5%) Usually ships in 24 hours. The New Best Of Joni Mitchell <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< As performed by Joni Mitchell. Personality Songbooks arranged for Piano-Vocal-Guitar. Published by Warner Brothers. Catalog Number: WBVF1951. List: $12.95 Our Price: $12.30 ~ You Save: $0.65 (5%) Usually ships in 24 hours. amazon.com is another source. all the above SongBooks are available from them, but not the individual Sheet Music Folios (#1+2). if i remember correctly, they also list TURBULENT INDIGO as available but, some SongBooks are 'special-order' items and may take 3-5 weeks to obtain. i'd try Capitol Music first since they have an 800 telephone no. as for those that are clearly out of print ... try eBay and/or other auction sites. the easiest to obtain are The Music Of JONI MITCHELL, HOSL, and HEJIRA. expect to pay between $15 and $35. these often go for more but all have sold in this price range within the last 6-mos. you'll probably have the most difficulty obtaining copies of NRH, CMIARS, FTR, LOTC, DJRD and especially BLUE. individual Sheet Music Folios were released for the following songs: 1. Chelsea Morning 2. I Don't Know Where I Stand 3. Both Sides Now 4. Big Yellow Taxi 5. Carey 6. You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio 7. Help Me 8. Free Man In Paris 9. In France They Kiss On Main Street 10. Coyote 11. (You're So Square) Baby, I Don't Care i'll have to get these to Jim @ asap since i don't think they're all pictured yet. a number of projects fell between the cracks during the last year of Wallys' journey with us. i hope some of this is useful. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- "Pride, like humility, is destroyed by one's insistence the he possesses it." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:44:47 EDT From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: WMMR Archives # 1 Needed Hello dear friends, I am in need of a new copy of the first WMMR Archives tape...It starts off with the interview w/ Chuck and Joni...into Circle Game and then Sugar Mountain....and most importantly on the beginning of the second side there is a complete "Just Like Me". that I need to add to my "Unreleased" tape. If anybody out there has a really good copy that can make another really good copy I would really love it (really!;-) I have a modest tape list that can be perused for a trade or I would be happy to do a blank and postage for the dupe. Anyone? Thanks for your time. Julian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:14:31 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: DED Synth Textures Hmm. Synth textures due to Thomas Dolby? Joni? All of this is pure speculation of course and the real answer probably lies in some kind of unquantifiable synergy, but it seems that an important player has not been recognized: Larry Klein. Joni had referred to him in many interviews as a " sound guy." Since the more consistent use of synthesizers began with WTRF, her first record made with Klein (if you don't count the ARP on the studio version of "Shadows and Light") and continued through CMIARS (which other than "Dancin' Clown" had no credited Dolby content although I think he had a hand in the drum sounds on "The Tea Leaf Prophecy), they seem to indicate the strong presence of evolving collaboration between Joni and Klein. The use of synths seemed to take a hiatus when Joni rediscovered her organic sound on NRH and began to resurface on TI once the technology brought it straight to Joni's fretboard. Experimentation with orchestral guitar became a much more intimate, internalized and private event: so much closer to the muse. CC - --Recognize this? Dreamer - --There are lots of strings Dream on We can solve everything in science - --Naturally Science - --It's a picture of how to get what you want out of life. -- JM ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: DED Synth Textures - --- c Karma wrote: > Hmm. Synth textures due to Thomas Dolby? Joni? > All of this is pure > speculation Not so. Had you read my other post about "analog modeling" synths ... you might have changed your mmind... Don Rowe ===== "Closer Now" is now available at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! 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