From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #323 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, August 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 323 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Carla Helmbrecht ["Kakki" ] Re: Luftig book on Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Miles Davis, LJC [B Merrill ] Re: Miles Davis, LJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] What happened to Nick Drake? [Erin Stoy ] Music's Jane Austen? [M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk (Mike QUINN\(CMS\))] Re: What happened to Nick Drake? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: What happened to Nick Drake? [Erin Stoy ] Re: What happened to Nick Drake? [Mark Domyancich ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 01:18:23 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Carla Helmbrecht Leslie wrote: >Carla hung out with us quite a bit between songs and > three of us bought her CD. Carla told us that she is >currently working on a new CD, but alas, no Joni content on >the next one. > Carla was very touched that we came out specifically to >hear her and she treated us to a live version of "Song To A >Seagull." This is so fantastic! It sounds like you all made each other's night. I would love to hear her STAS live. Maybe she will be inspired to interpret another Joni song on the album after next. To think only a couple months ago she was a mere glint in Stephen and my eyes and now she is hanging out with jmdlers ;-) Wonderful that you met her and thanks for the report! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 06:21:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Luftig book on Joni << How familiar is anyone here with a book called _The Joni Mitchell Companion : Four Decades of Commentary_, by Stacey Luftig? >> Hi Dave, I'll also chip in and say that this book is great. Stacey was actually on the list before the book was published, and puts in a little thank you note to the JMDL in her acknowledgements. Hi to you if you're still out there, Stacey! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 07:27:34 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Miles Davis, LJC Hi David, Thanks for your extended consideration. >When Miles Davis first attracted attention (ironic, no?) for turning his back >on the audience, he was at the height of his stature as a pure jazz musician. And when did he begin to do this? This whole question of sincerity, as opposed to the professionalism, or the generosity of trying to connect with your audience by emoting & projecting towards them (which Miles did not do...) is still complicated for me, and I haven't sorted it out. I.e. Is it better before Joni to be sincerely pissed off in Scotland, or (insincerely?) professional, and projecting warmth to her audience, despite her resentment...? As someone whose been on stage and in the audience, I respect the professionalism of the "trooper," someone who makes the effort to project no matter what frame of mind they happen to be in. Another angle on this is that many blamed Davis for *pandering* to his audience, wanting to be wealthy and au courant, and so moving into E-Z Lite jazz or tedious funk jazz... selling out, in brief. At the same time that he turned his back to them! As to how Miles felt about his audience, at different stages of his career, that may come out in his autobiography, & various biographies. >Miles Davis, at his peak, was a supreme musician and communicator. His manner >was perceivably aloof, yes; I have no reliable clue about his "true" feelings >regarding his audience. But your comment that he spared himself the work of >connecting emotionally with listeners is, to say the least, surprising and >I'd have to say, most inaccurate. Maybe we're not talking about the same thing? I wasn't saying that he'd stopped bothering to make real music-- tho something like that has been said about his later "On the Corner" etc period!-- but he certainly was not putting any effort into connecting, as another human up on stage, to his audience. As Gillespie or Armstrong, say, would consistently aspire to: Smiling for & talking to the folks who've come to see you. I'd prefer good music combined with a friendly demeanor, myself. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 09:08:10 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Miles Davis, LJC <> There's nothing wrong with Joni being pissed off, as long as she pours that emotion into the performance. On the '98 tour, there are several examples where she had to deal with some heckler, and responds with an emotionally charged song. (In Atlanta, it was an electrified 'Magdalene Laundries). I don't think she needs to project insincere warmth. All of us have probably been to shows where the performers were patronizing and phony. I don't think any of would like to see Joni in that light. By the same token, with tickets running $50 and higher, I have no tolerance for a performer who's not interested in working hard and trying to give the audience their best. The best performers (and I include Joni in this group) not only rise above that mentality, but have the ability to channel the negative energy into their art and make the best of it... Bob NP: Juliana Hatfield, "Congratulations" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 06:46:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Stoy Subject: What happened to Nick Drake? Unfortunately, Nick Drake died at age 26 (in 1974) from an overdose of antidepressants. He had been suicidal in the past, and the coroner labeled it a suicide, but his family maintains that the overdose was accidental. Has anyone else noticed that artists in the folk genre seem to die early, unnatural deaths? Like Sandy Denny, who fell down the stairs and died? Phil Ochs, who hung himself? Tim Hardin, Harry Chapin, Tim Buckley (whose son Jeff, although not a 'folkie', also died young... in a mysterious drowning)? Erin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:20:10 +0100 From: M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk (Mike QUINN\(CMS\)) Subject: Music's Jane Austen? This might be of interest, it appeared in Saturday's UK Times. It's part of a series highlighting key moments in "contemporary culture". Mike LADIES OF THE CANYON (1970) THE ROLE of women in rock music at the end of the Sixties was largely based on a mirage of emancipation. Despite all the rhetoric of revolution, women remained in subservient roles in the hippy hierarchy and frequently suffered a chauvinism far worse than that experienced by their mothers. The observant Joni Mitchell was one of the few female voices in popular music to expose such double standards. Living on Lookout Mountain in the idyllic Topanga Canyon, she was surrounded by wealthy rock stars playing out rustic fantasies. This, her third solo album, was rather like watching a modern-day Jane Austen confronting the social mores of the hip aristocracy. The title track portrayed three canyon ladies - artist, musician and earth mother - effectively a composite of Mitchell herself. There was a light- hearted essay in ecology (Big Yellow Taxi) and a reverent tribute to the recent Woodstock festival, which she had been unable to attend. What impressed most was her acute reflections on men in her orbit. Conversation nailed male vanities and insecurities with needle-sharp precision. In Willy, her recent paramour Graham Nash was portrayed as emotionally immature. Neil Young was the subject of the Circle Game and he, too, was addressed like a lost little boy. Small wonder that Mitchell spawned a generation of grateful imitators. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:29:25 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: What happened to Nick Drake? In a message dated 8/7/00 9:53:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, erinstoy77@yahoo.com writes: << Has anyone else noticed that artists in the folk genre seem to die early, unnatural deaths? Like Sandy Denny, who fell down the stairs and died? Phil Ochs, who hung himself? Tim Hardin, Harry Chapin, Tim Buckley (whose son Jeff, although not a 'folkie', also died young... in a mysterious drowning)? Erin >> I don't think it's only the folk genre that is hazardous to one's health. Being a drummer for a rock band is even worse, almost as deadly as being keyboard player for the Grateful Dead. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:31:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Stoy Subject: Re: What happened to Nick Drake? - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > I don't think it's only the folk genre that is > hazardous to one's health. > Being a drummer for a rock band is even worse, > almost as deadly as being > keyboard player for the Grateful Dead. > > Paul I ALTHOUGH NOT NEARLY AS DEADLY AS BEING A DRUMMER FOR SPINAL TAP!! HA! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:14:27 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: What happened to Nick Drake? Or how about being the drummer for Def Leopard? Losing an arm would be grounds for suicide, if you ask me. At 12:31 PM -0700 8/7/00, Erin Stoy wrote: >ALTHOUGH NOT NEARLY AS DEADLY AS BEING A DRUMMER FOR >SPINAL TAP!! HA! - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #323 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?