From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #322 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, August 7 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 322 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Carla Helmbrecht [Leslie Mixon ] covers vol. 7 ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: Carla Helmbrecht [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Miles Davis [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Ferron Pegged (LJC?) ["P. Henry" ] Re: Carla Helmbrecht [SMEBD@aol.com] men with soul ["Pat Post" ] WTRF Tour [Michael Paz ] Amelia [Allaber@aol.com] Re: garfunkel solo me too!!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: WTRF Tour [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: WTRF Tour [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Ferron Pegged (LJC?) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Amelia [Mark Domyancich ] JMDL Artists ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: JMDL Artists ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: JMDL Artists [Les Irvin ] joni gathering in Ft. Myers ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: Luftig book on Joni ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Luftig book on Joni [Dave Gertler ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 00:51:50 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Carla Helmbrecht Kakki wrote: Dig this - our own Steve Dulson, Leslie Mixon and Jim Johanson were planning to see her last (Friday) night at the Top of the Mark in San Fran based on our gushing here! Tis true - we tripped the light fantastic with Carla last night at the Top of the Mark. Jim, his partner Andrew, Steve and Michelle Dulson and myself, met last night at the Mark Hopkins Hotel and a wonderful time was had by all. Carla hung out with us quite a bit between songs and three of us bought her CD. Carla told us that she is currently working on a new CD, but alas, no Joni content on the next one. Carla was very touched that we came out specifically to hear her and she treated us to a live version of "Song To A Seagull." I took some digital pictures last night and will email them to Jim Johanson for his PhotoShop magic! Carla mentioned that she was listening to "Taming The Tiger" in her car on the way to the gig. Carla was very friendly, in great voice and looked terrific in her glamour gown. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 09:11:19 GMT From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: covers vol. 7 Hi Bob, volume 7 was in my mail yesterday... Thanks a lot! Lots of very good songs: I particularly like Joshua Redman's and Claire Martins's. Great! Thanks for your hard work, Bob. My best, Raffaele ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 08:02:50 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Carla Helmbrecht << Carla told us that she is currently working on a new CD, but alas, no Joni content on the next one.>> Bummer...I hoped you told her to watch out for a dip in sales! :~D << Carla was very touched that we came out specifically to hear her and she treated us to a live version of "Song To A Seagull.">> That is SO cool! Also great to see how the Covers Set can give an unknown performer such a good boost! Thanks Leslie for sharing the night! Now send me the tape of her doing STAS live, OK? ;~D Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 08:26:31 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Miles Davis When Miles Davis first attracted attention (ironic, no?) for turning his back on the audience, he was at the height of his stature as a pure jazz musician. He, along with Dizzy Gillespie, was generally acknowledged to be THE trumpet player in modern jazz, having emerged from his apprenticeship with Charlie Parker to develop an original style of playing quite distinct from Dizzy's and much imitated by young musicians, though Miles himself was still in his early thirties. In addition, he led (and I mean, led) a group of strongly individual players (John Coltrane, Red Garland, Paul Chambers and Philly Joe Jones). There was a distinctive style to the group and its unusual repertoire which reams of historiography, ,journalism and criticism have attempted to describe. Beyond the pure music, Miles created a persona that was very modern, with his sports cars, his Italian suits, his salty conversation, the legend (not less true for being a legend) that he had kicked heroin by himself, without treatment or jail time. If there ever was a jazz musician who "had" charisma, it was Miles. I'm not competent to discuss the relationship between persona and one's "true nature" but as a musician who bought his records, admired his musicianship and bold originality, I will say that he did certainly evoke emotional responses in the jazz audience. John Lewis of the Modern Jazz Quartet once gave an interview in which described the attitude of many in his generation of jazz musicians (he's a contemporary of Parker, Gillespie and Davis) in roughly these words: "Either listen to me on the basis of what I actually play, or forget it." Miles Davis, at his peak, was a supreme musician and communicator. His manner was perceivably aloof, yes; I have no reliable clue about his "true" feelings regarding his audience. But your comment that he spared himself the work of connecting emotionally with listeners is, to say the least, surprising and I'd have to say, most inaccurate. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 06:59:53 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Ferron Pegged (LJC?) Slac wrote: >P. Henry wrote: >> in fact, I can think of no one who has so successfully escaped categories in a field where most make their mark mainly by strongly identifying with one or the other.>> >I wonder how Joni has pulled it off? She must run into alot of oppostion... People are always trying to stuff me into holes I don't fit...And I'm sure they probably still try to do it to her. I have my coping mechanisms which shall remain mum ;~) I wonder how she handles it?> susan, my angel, indeed remaining mum is the wise choice... so of course I shall venture my opinion nonetheless. ;o) I had this afterthought when I'd already sent the last post anyway: well, for sure one is not going to avoid categories by trying to because they would still be responding to and, thereby, accepting those parameters as the standard. the truth is still best exemplified by Joni herself and the big secret is this: she's a leader, plain and simple... a leader being one who moves on ahead into uncharted waters (ie: areas where there is *no* standard) and leaves their mark or 'blaize' along the trail so that if someone wants to follow, they can... if they don't, that's ok too... but the way is marked out for all to see. cheers, pat NP: Hejira http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 11:05:17 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Carla Helmbrecht In a message dated 08/06/2000 3:56:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, leslie@torchsongs.com writes: << Tis true - we tripped the light fantastic with Carla last night at the Top of the Mark. >> Thanks for the report--I have fallen for Carla and it is so nice to hear that she is a terrific person as well as a singer. I am crazy about her rendition of STAS. I hope to hear her live one day. Glad you guys had such a fun evening. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 11:25:52 EDT From: "Pat Post" Subject: men with soul This may be redundant at this point but just wanted to add a few. Right now I am listening to a Tom Petty concert on PBS, talk about soul and storytelling about, "one of my favorite topics", Love, He has got it. Someone on the list mentioned Nick Drake, on the 'number two'thread, he is very soulful. I am curious if that person has info on what happened to Nick Drake, is he still around? Anyway, there are plenty of wonderful male and female artists out there, and having a healthy ego doesn't have to mean being an egomaniac, HA! Gender differences keep life interesting. Take Care All, Pat P. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:34:00 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: WTRF Tour Kakki wrote: "I never saw her during the WTRF tour, but I've read a number of posts here over the years about her episodes of foul mood in other cities on that tour. It must have been a real let-down to those who experienced it and the bad taste still seems to linger a bit with some of them." Kakki- I saw this tour in Baton Rouge at LSU thanx to Freda. It was a great show with Mike Landau on guitar and a rock n roll version of Banquet. I don't recall her being in a fowl mood at all, but I do remember her totally forgetting the lyric to Court and Spark and it was a beautiful momemnt in music history for me because it made her so much more human to me, as opposed to some huge "STAR". Freda and I really loved that show. Which reminds me, is there an archive of shows that she has played with dates and songlists etc.? That would be a great edition to jmdl.com! If this is not available anywhere I would be happy to call mgmt. and see if they have an archive of this info, I have a pending phone call to them anyway. Peace- Michael NP-Comes Love (Reprise Promo CD) F&J (THANKS BOB!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:08:56 EDT From: Allaber@aol.com Subject: Amelia Does anyone have a transcription of "Amelia" in standard tuning? ~Amy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:19:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: garfunkel solo me too!!! << I just bought a cd on EBAY and have NO IDEA what I just bought. It is called Joni Mitchell Live In Canada and had nice songs listed and was listed as a concert with just Joni and Guitar and was from like maybe just after NRH. >> Kevin, This recording is sometimes sold as a bootleg called "Just Ice". Don't know what you paid for it, but any number of us here could have made it for you for blanks & postage, max outlay on your part $4 or $5... Please JMDLer's, DON'T support people who sell Joni concerts and unauthorized CD's on E-Bay!!!! Unfortunately, I don't have time to patrol E-bay to contact bidders for this kind of thing and cut the profiteer out of it. But if somebody out there DOES have the time, I can assure you that I'll be willing to burn away to get Joni fans this stuff without the profit... Bob NP: Bruce, "The Promised Land" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:24:48 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: WTRF Tour << I do remember her totally forgetting the lyric to Court and Spark and it was a beautiful momemnt in music history for me because it made her so much more human to me, as opposed to some huge "STAR". Freda and I really loved that show. >> Michael, I don't doubt you, but I am very curious...I've got about 20 or so of those 1983 shows and she doesn't do Court & Spark on ANY of them...the setlist does vary of course, but there's pretty much the same lineup with some switcharounds, some substitions, etc. But C&S is nowhere to be found. Obviously, I could be wrong, I'd certainly love to hear a version of C&S!! Bob NP: Bruce, "Mansion On The Hill" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:26:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: WTRF Tour << Which reminds me, is there an archive of shows that she has played with dates and songlists etc.? That would be a great edition to jmdl.com! >> It's there...look for "Performances" on the Main Page... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:32:27 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Ferron Pegged (LJC?) Digesting again, Coping- Susan, I'll bet you FLY above them, eh? It's great to see you here again. Welcome home angel (former aviator)! You don't have to leave THIS home to go through your changes! :) Coping- Joni: She flies above 'em too. She wrote "Borderline" after all.... Susan L.A. said, > People are always trying to stuff me into holes I don't > fit...And I'm sure they probably still try to do it to her. > I have my coping mechanisms which shall remain > mum ;~) I wonder how she handles it? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:34:09 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Amelia Check out the transcription in the Hejira songbook... I don't have a copy of it but it is a standard tuning transcription in there. Why don't you want to play it in an alternate tuning? NP-New Bohemians, 11/28/94 - High Class At 5:08 PM -0400 8/6/00, Allaber@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone have a transcription of "Amelia" in standard tuning? > >~Amy - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 19:51:09 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: JMDL Artists Hey, where are the hordes of singersongwriters? Kate, Bryan, Leslie? I checked out Les's section for you guys at http://www.jmdl.com/artists/index.cfm and I found it underpopulated! All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati np: I'm actually grilling out, just for myself. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:18:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: JMDL Artists but isn't this section only for recorded artists? wallyk > Hey, where are the hordes of singersongwriters? Kate, Bryan, Leslie? I > checked out Les's section for you guys at > http://www.jmdl.com/artists/index.cfm > and I found it underpopulated! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 19:51:31 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: JMDL Artists Jim wrote: >Hey, where are the hordes of singersongwriters? Kate, Bryan, Leslie? I >checked out Les's section for you guys at >http://www.jmdl.com/artists/index.cfm >and I found it underpopulated! Then Wally asked: >but isn't this section only for recorded artists? Certainly not! It's for any "artist" who wants their own page on the JMDL site. I agree with Jim, it's heavily underpopulated! Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:11:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: joni gathering in Ft. Myers Jimmy, Ed, and I are having a mini Jonifest in Ft. Myers. Hello to all from The Bottom Line! Jerry and Crazy Jimmy Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:37:13 -0400 From: Dave Gertler Subject: Luftig book on Joni How familiar is anyone here with a book called _The Joni Mitchell Companion : Four Decades of Commentary_, by Stacey Luftig? Since it was published in December '99, I'm guessing that it was discussed on this list, but I hadn't joined the list yet. Worth buying? ($13.50 at amazon.com) Thanks, Dave Gertler ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:01:26 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Luftig book on Joni Dave wrote: >How familiar is anyone here with a book called >_The Joni Mitchell Companion : Four Decades of >Commentary_, by Stacey Luftig? Since it was >published in December '99, I'm guessing that it >was discussed on this list, but I hadn't joined >the list yet. Worth buying? ($13.50 at amazon.com) Definitely worth buying! The book is a collection/compilation of interviews and articles about Joni dated from her first appearances, and including the articles when she was reunited with her daughter, Kilauren. Stacey has done a great job with this, and there a loads of pictures, too. I highly recommend it! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 00:23:59 -0400 From: Dave Gertler Subject: Re: Luftig book on Joni "Helen M. Adcock" wrote: > Definitely worth buying! The book is a collection/compilation of interviews > and articles about Joni dated from her first appearances, and including the > articles when she was reunited with her daughter, Kilauren. Stacey has done > a great job with this, and there a loads of pictures, too. I highly > recommend it! Thanks for the info. So instead of buying magazines with Joni articles (through eBay) all this time, I could have just picked up a one-volume collection of them?! Sigh. ;-) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #322 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?