From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #320 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, August 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 320 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni in Scotland ["Kakki" ] JoniEgo [B Merrill ] Re: Napster [Catherine McKay ] Re: Scottish Joni fans [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni in Scotland, sincerely angry; Van in SF, sincerely stoned [B Mer] Catch the Wave!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] REQ: MuchMusic TV Special [Mark Domyancich ] Leslie@WTRF in Edinburgh ["william" ] Ruth Maclean & Joni ["william" ] One Audiophile picks Joni albums, SJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] joni poster on ebay [zaide912@webtv.net] Cover and Contributions Vols. 6, 7 & 8 [SMEBD@aol.com] Saskatoon for Labor Day [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC ["Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Joni in Scotland Les wrote: > I saw Joni the last time she played in Scotland just after Wild Things Run Fast came out. She >played two nights in Edinburgh. I saw her on the second night. I was furious myself. I couldn't >understand why she would treat us that way when the place was packed to the rafters and Joni in >Scotland was like the second coming of Christ - forgive my profanity! Why? I felt like walking out, I >was so hurt that she should dislike us all that way. I had placed Joni on a pedestal way, way above >the clouds. For me she was a saint. I believed at the time that I couldn't have made it through my >youth but for the presence of her music and her expressed wisdom. Well, I learned that > night, that she had feet of clay like the rest of us and that between the art and the artist is an >unknown world of difference. It took a while but I took the lesson from that. It made the woman real. It >made the art more remarkable. I never saw her during the WTRF tour, but I've read a number of posts here over the years about her episodes of foul mood in other cities on that tour. It must have been a real let-down to those who experienced it and the bad taste still seems to linger a bit with some of them. I wonder what it was with her back then? I don't recall hearing of her acting up as much, if at all, in prior years. Maybe slogging all over the world on that tour became grueling for her. And she later complained that they all lost money on it. She never again did a real tour until the '98 shows - 15 years later. If I'd experienced her being mean or insulting the crowd when I was young, I'm sure I'd be a bit devastated. But now that I'm older, I don't think it would affect me that much. I'd just consider her as getting a bit cranky and appreciate the rest of it. I forget who posted the other day regarding Van Morrison's unpredictability at shows, but I enjoyed the post. Something to the effect of you never know if he is going to come out and sing like an angel or piss and spit at the crowd and stomp off. From what I've seen at his shows, his fans seem to take it all in stride, either way. But I guess knowing how he has always been, they expect it. On the other hand, Joni had established such an image of sweetness from the beginning that the shock of her acting in conflict with that image must have been all the more harder to take. I think most of us have come to know that she's just human but that does make her creative work all the more remarkable. But not to fear, she really IS exceptionally sweet, as many who have met her will tell you. And even better than that, she is very honest and real. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 07:18:20 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: JoniEgo >> (To the writer who implied that men have only egos, please note that all men >> do have souls, and ALL women do have egos. Wrestle with that!) And especially wondrous Joni! If she didn't have all that ambitious drive, and the RESTLESSNESS of her daddy, Don Juan, we wouldn't be gathered together celebrating her creativity and productivity. ><< I'm not sure how high that one ranks on the sincerity scale. Perhaps there >are better examples. >"Yesterday," for one... > > --Bob But wasn't the genesis of "Yesterday" that Paul composed the soulful melody altogether without sincere content? What was the notorious word that preceded "Yesterday," with the same rhythm? Something like "Bubble-Gum, now I need a place to guzzle rum, etc." Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:05:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Napster - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/3/00 1:43:05 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: > > << Michael (resisting the urge to go seek out a song > called Bleeker Street > by Jonatha Brooke) >> > > Is that a cover of the Jerry Rafferty song? > Rafferty's song was "Baker Street" ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:07:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Scottish Joni fans - --- Anna Ruth MacLean <9905346M@student.gla.ac.uk> wrote: > Hello everybody. > I have just joined and I am intrigued to know how > many of the 600 > people on this mailing list are Scottish too. I > know one Joni fan > and I would love to know more. Welcome to the list, Anna. I'm not Scottish but I do have some Scottish in my background - my Dad's family (McKay) was either Scottish or Irish (we're not sure which because we've been in Canada such a long time.) This is very strange but I've just now received *your* post, whereas I had already rec'd responses to it yesterday - perhaps even the day before? I've had that happen a few times lately - does this happen to anyone else? Does anyone have any idea why? ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:36:39 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Joni in Scotland, sincerely angry; Van in SF, sincerely stoned Les & Kakki and all, The puzzle and desideratum of sincerity - -- as opposed to professionalism, keeping up appearances, delivering an adequate performance where you're not in the mood, etc.-- is also a real challenge for the performer. Especially a challenge for someone like Joni whose fans often connect with her so intimately, and who expect her to connect back to them from the stage.... They want to drink a case of her. But instead, in Scotland, she was sincerely pissed off. As opposed to Miles Davis, say, who established a pattern of almost completely ignoring his audience. He was aware of them... in that he turned away from them. Which makes for less work for the performer, since he/she doesn't have to emote and project. I saw Van with Them, summer of 1966, Fillmore Ballroom, SF. He was "tripping" (what kind of sincerity is that?), and so putting on a pretty lame performance. I wanted to get charged with "Mystic Eyes" and "Baby please don't go!" and he was wandering around the stage, goofing on the pulsing light show, then crunching candy into the mike, even sticking the mike into the audience just to see what foolishness would be said into it... Then stumbling through another song. I would have preferred a more professional show, where Van and the guys gave the audience what it was there for. Those who weren't happily tripping along with Van, that is. Bruce ...... If I'd >experienced her being mean or insulting the crowd when I was young, I'm sure >I'd be a bit devastated. But now that I'm older, I don't think it would >affect me that much. I'd just consider her as getting a bit cranky and >appreciate the rest of it. I forget who posted the other day regarding Van >Morrison's unpredictability at shows, but I enjoyed the post. Something to >the effect of you never know if he is going to come out and sing like an >angel or piss and spit at the crowd and stomp off. From what I've seen at >his shows, his fans seem to take it all in stride, either way. But I guess >knowing how he has always been, they expect it. On the other hand, Joni had >established such an image of sweetness from the beginning that the shock of >her acting in conflict with that image must have been all the more harder to >take. I think most of us have come to know that she's just human but that >does make her creative work all the more remarkable. But not to fear, she >really IS exceptionally sweet, as many who have met her will tell you. And >even better than that, she is very honest and real. >Kakki Yes, these stories that people tell here, where she connects with them in sudden conversation, holding hands, are just wonderful. (I recall one in particular, from Saskatoon, called "My new best friend, Joni!") You have to admire her for being able to stay open that way, when so many people are coming at her all the time, and she can easily retreat behind her entourage. Being Joni must be hard work-- but someone has to do it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:34:49 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Catch the Wave!! The list is getting longer, and the excitement is building for the 3rd {Annual??} New England Labor Day Jonifest! Is your name on here? No???? How could you **possibly** miss the HAPPENING OF THE MILLENIUM???!!!!!!???? Remember, even if you really, truly "just can't make it" to Topsfield on Labor Day, you can join in the festivities as well as help out the jmdl website by sending a check for any amount payable to: Les Irvin, and send it to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 Your name, whether you are physically here or not, will be entered in the give-a-way prizes such as: Joni songbooks, videos, CD's, tapes, RARE articles from Rolling Stone, etc., Mendel invitations, Maidstone cookbooks, JMDL listers CD's, and many, many more!! If you are a winner and are not physically here, your prize will be sent to you, no matter where you are in the world! {Any winners from last year want to elaborate as to how WONDERFUL this is??} Got an extra Joni or list related item on hand? If you have ANYTHING to offerfor this great give-a-way, please send it as soon as possible!!! The following is the list of Jonifest party-goers so far, and people are falling off the fence onto the "definite" list faster than you can say, "In the cookie I read!" Ashara@aol.com (Ashara and Sal) wallykai@interserver.com.ar (Wally K.) MGVal@aol.com (MG) rhollis@home.com (Roberto) SCJoniGuy@aol.com (Bob) les@jmdl.com (Les) luvart@snet.net (Heather) patrickl@bway.net (Patrick) mm@celebrityseries.org (Maggie) chucke@tiac.net (Chuck E.) kg@nyc.rr.com (Kenny Grant) johnsonjs@earthlink.net (Jody Johnson) jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com (Jenny Goodspeed, and Eric) leslie@torchsongs.com (Leslie and Steve Mixon) briangross@rocketmail.com (Brian Gross) waytoblu@mindspring.com (Victor Johnson) pholden@iprimus.ca (Mags) stealth@voicenet.com (Nikki Johnson) alisone@kirkhams.com (Alison Einerson) claudsansoucie@hotmail.com (Claudia) shapiro@ocd.mclean.org (Leslie Shapiro) jmills@groundswell.net (Julius) jzwebb@yahoo.com (Julie Webb) rosemjoy@aol.com (Rose Joy) asandstrom@allaire.com (Anne) FMYFL@aol.com (Jimmy) RickieLee1@aol.com (Ric) eehardt@erols.com (Evie Eisenhardt) john.van.tiel@wxs.nl SAVtheWAVE@aol.com (Joe) Not sure yet: marian@jmdl.com (Marian) michaelpaz@telocity.com (Michael Paz) Harpua@revealed.net WirlyPearl@aol.com (Pearl and Steve) jlamadoo@one.net kakkib@att.net (Kakki) Lrfye@yahoo.com (Lori) merrillb@crisny.org (Bruce Merrill) yaelharlap@yahoo.com (Yael Harlap) tikimoon007@aol.com (Stacy) TerryM2442@aol.com (Terry) jclarknyc@netscape.net (Jeff Clark) Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:43:51 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: REQ: MuchMusic TV Special Hey everyone, I have been meaning to post a request for this one but am now just remembering. I was wondering if some kind soul who has two nice VHS decks could copy for me the MuchMusic TV special that ran in Canada on September 23, 1994. I think this was treed before I joined the list. I would really like a copy of it. We could do blank and postage or a trade (how about three or four cassettes from my collection for it?) Let me know if you can hook me up. My list is below. NP-Grateful Dead, Fillmore East 9/20/72-New Speedway Boogie - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:26:14 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Leslie@WTRF in Edinburgh Leslie. Re your account of the second night after bad reviews of the first. I had no idea the WTRF concert in Edinburgh was so confrontational with the audience. You never said. God love you. You probably didn't want to upset me. Still, I wish I'd been there: having yet to see Miss Beloved to this day. What do you put it down to? A bad mood? How could Edinburgh put anyone ...........? Maybe she had traced her origins to the swine responsible for the Highland clearances. Who knows? Prequel to The Magdelene Laundries I would have guessed. Song For Sharon @ Megadeth volume with crunching guitars is so unJoni-like. Can hardly believe it. Maybe an off haggis? Upset tummy perhaps? Have any other JMDLers experienced a Joni so-I-threw-my-drink experience? That WTRF period of Joni's music was beginning to lose her a plethora of fans, alas. Daft asses if you ask me. Chinese Cafe was the obvious first track on WTRF, like later Good Friends on DED, My Secret Place on CMIARS, Harlem in Havana on TTT. The marketing ploys. Thinking of the first tracks on LOTC, FTR and C&S, they certainly weren't the "hits". Why weren't Big Smelly Taxi, You Turn Me Off, Raised on Buggery the first tracks on those albums? What does this tell us. Rhetorical. Leslie, I'm wandering from the original point you made earlier "and late from the New York City to the Golden Gate". Sang it on stage last night. Tangled up in Blue, Woodstock, Sara, Dock of the Bay" wishing you had been there with all the JMDLers. Another poser I'd like to put to all friends of spirit. Do you think Joni, her actual self, ever tunes in to the JMDL? Willy the Shake NP - Emancipation by Prince. Have been playing - ENCARTA. An awesome encyclopedia disc of eveything you ever wanted to know. In there under Joni Mitchell is a playable snap of "Sitting in a park in Paris France". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:41:26 +0700 From: "william" Subject: Ruth Maclean & Joni Dear Anna (Ruth MacLean) fae Bonnie S, Hey and welcome to the club. We Scots seem to be emerging from the scullery like we're coming to the dinner gong: table laden high. When I was in high school and wide-eyed open to it all, having a particularly unfashionable taste in music was a harbinger of potential conflict, ridicule, banishment to peer exile: BORING - the old man is snoring (almost wrote snorting there). Being a wimp then, I went with the flow. David Bowie, Yes, et al. Not that I'm not giving those guys their due. Anyway, one day in our art department, a fellow "Highers" mentioned that Joni was her favourite. I'd never heard any of Joni's "stuff" (other than a 1970's cover of Woodstock by Mathews Southern Comfort) but I "knew" that she was an airy-fairy-arty-farty-happy-hippy type. Oddly enough, and what! a coincidence, this fellow "Highers" name was Ruth MacLean! I cannot say I ever knew her as being Anna. It's a lo-o-o-ong shot but I must ask you if you are the one who studied with Mrs M. and Jack? Needless to say hanging out with the arty department types led to evenings listening to arty LPs. Harvest, Still Crazy..., Tapestry. C&S and HOSL were my first exposures to the real Joni from whence I acquired, at a pace of knots, every album I could afford on a student's grant. In those days the state paid for our college beers and LPs. I left home and went to art college in Dundee where I met Leslie (who has just replied to your post) and struck up a friendship which lasts to this day. Leslie and I have much in common, as dear friends do, and it all began with a common love of you know who. I don't live in Scotland now and haven't for 20 years. I've been travelling travelling travelling travelling looking for something. I come home every evening and I can be assured that if no family or friends have e-written that day I'll have the JMDL to look forward to. Joni is Joni is Joni has always been Joni but since joining the JMDL my fervour, appreciation, relistening, re-evaluation blah blah blah is nth degree fold. 600 of us I reckon is the tip of the iceberg. Have a great weekend. Willy the Shake (I stole that) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:54:56 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: One Audiophile picks Joni albums, SJC I just received the last edition of an underground LP (vinyl) lovers' newsletter called "Primyl Vinyl". Author David Green compiled a list of recommended popular albums. Earlier, they published their Jazz list, and a Classical list. Anyway, the Popular list includes lots of Joni: Blue Clouds Court and Spark The Hissing Of Summer Lawns Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Mingus No, Hejira is not on the list, but curiously Boston's "Third Stage" is a recommended disc! Other recommended artists that have been discussed here are: Tori Amos, Shawn Colvin, Cowboy Junkies, Clash, Patsy Cline, Elvis Costello, Dylan (although not as many as you'd expect- not "Desire", not "Blood On The Tracks"), Thomas Dolby (?), Donald Fagan, old & new Fleetwood Mac (though not "Rumours"), early Genesis, PJ Harvey, Janis Ian (4 recommended albums!), Alanis, Yoko (!), 11 Presley albums, Pretenders, Otis Redding, Sade, Springsteen, only 3 Steely Dan, 5 from Linda and/or Richard Thompson, Suzanne Vega, Stevie Wonder, Yes, and ten Neil Young albums- more than Dylan or Joni! Yeah, the Beatles, David Bowie, and the Stones were on there. Not making this guy's list: Jonatha Brooks and James Taylor. :( All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:17:44 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Catch the Wave!! AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: >>The list is getting longer, and the excitement is building for the >>3rd {Annual??} New England Labor Day Jonifest! Is your name on here? >>No???? How could you **possibly** miss the HAPPENING OF THE >>MILLENIUM???!!!!!!???? While I'm sure it's gonna be fantastic, and I really wish I could be there, don't you think maybe we should wait at least a few hundred years before declaring New England Labor Day Jonifest the "HAPPENING OF THE MILLENIUM"? (insert emoticon here) - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 19:19:01 From: Lisa Kowalski Subject: Professions(JC) Hi Alan! you wrote: > I used to teach high school English and I credit Joni to some degree for instilling in me a love of words and stories> English was my favorite subject in high school. I used to love reading and interpreting stories and poems;I guess that's why when I first heard Joni I was so moved and mesmerized by her beautiful stories and incredible poetry.I was able to memorize all the words to her songs after just a few listens;it was like the words just seeped into me like osmosis; a form of emotional nourishment,I suppose! Every since then I have been a voracious reader,have written some poetry and journal write.When I was in my 30's(a while back,Ha! Ha!) I went back to college as an English major(while I was working as a nurse),just because I loved studying stories so much(and I missed it!)I never got an English degree(I went for 3 yrs part time and then got burnt out(from working full time and going to school) and was only going to take a break for a year ,but never went back. I really didn't go back to school to get a degree,I just went back to study literature,because I enjoyed it! Anyway,I believe that Joni had a great deal to do with instilling in me a love of words and stories too! Take Care...Lisa N.P. Woman of Heart and Mind ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 23:39:44 -0400 (EDT) From: zaide912@webtv.net Subject: joni poster on ebay Hey Friends, I just won the record store poster for BSN supposedly in mint condition for $7 and was so happy I had to tell somebody about it....only you guys would care as my friends just roll their eyes when I start talking Joni!!! Peace to all, Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:17:37 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Cover and Contributions Vols. 6, 7 & 8 It seems Bob has done it again. Three more smashing volumes of C&C--who knows what lurks in the record binds?!!!! Volume 6 begins with a "surprise bonus" of Joni singing "I Heard It Thru The Grapevine"--this is not to be missed. And if you still have a taste for cheese, check out Vol. 7 for Goldie Hawn singing "Carey". Or even better (?), nibble on Nana Mouskori's cover of BSN (in French)--quelle fromage! :-D One of the real finds for me was Carla Helmbrecht's cover of STAS--Kakki began the search and I was able to locate this one. My hat is off to Kakki--Carla is a real find. She is a true jazz vocalist and is worthy of following. Her CD is great. And what she does to STAS is fab--she understands the jazz in Joni's music. On Volume 8 is Holly Cole's live cover of "River"--I was supposed to hear her in Saskatoon but missed her and Saskatoon (Oh how I hate Air Canada), but thanks to Bob (and a fellow hunter--or gatherer-- of covers) I get to hear her sing Joni. Tower Records is glad I finally got to hear Holly, as I'm sure to make a pilgrimage--er, I mean, purchase-- this weekend. All in all, I'd say there is some great listening for JMDLers--contact SCJoniguy@aol.com for details on getting copies. And I'd like to offer my thanks to Bob for all the work and effort that he has put into this project. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:36:11 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Saskatoon for Labor Day Rusty and I are going to try one more time to get to Saskatoon. We will [hopefully] be there over Labor Day weekend and were wondering if anyone else from the list might be going the same time. If so, perhaps we could meet up at some point. Email me privately if you will be there and would like to get together. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:16:40 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: men have no soul only egos; LJC > ><< if you can direct me to instance of progressive rock > which are complicated and original and COMBINE these virtues with being > lyrical, melodic, well-vocalized, sincere, from the heart... please do > so! >> "And the men who hold high places, Must be the ones who start. To mold a new reality, Closer to the heart." Closer to the Heart "Can't we raise our eyes and make a start, Can't we find the minds to lead us closer to the heart." A Farewell to Kings "We can walk our roads together, If our goals are all the same. We can run alone and free, If we pursue a different aim. Let the truth of love be lighted, Let the love of truth shine clear. Sensibility, armed with sense and liberty, With the HEART and MIND united, In a single, perfect sphere." Hemispheres "Some are born to move the world, To live their fantasies. But most of us just dream about, The things we'd like to be. Sadder still to watch it die, Than never to have known it. For you the blind who once could see, The bell tolls for thee, The bell tolls for thee." Losing It lyrics by Peart. Music by Lee and Lifeson. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #320 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?