From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #312 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, July 29 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 312 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- My boss and the late 70s ["Eric Wilcox" ] PWWAM & S&L DVD (SJC) ["Ross, Les" ] Re: Synchro - Johnstons cover and Mendel Book? [Deb Messling ] Re: My boss and the late 70s [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Johnstons cover and Mendel Book? [Gertus@aol.com] Re: New (?) Joni Topic - Joan Songs and the Memorable moment [SCJoniGuy@a] RE: New (?) Joni Topic - Joan Songs and the Memorable moment ["Ross, Les"] Re: Joni on Dick Cavett [Jeff Clark ] excellent women [B Merrill ] Re: New (?) Joni Topic - Joan Songs and the Memorable moment ["M & C Urba] Re: excellent women (AND men) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch [Catherine McKay ] Re: Shadows & Light video ["joe farrell" ] Johnstons cover album ["joe farrell" ] RE: A "Hello" and my Joni experience [Catherine McKay ] Shadows and Light info, please [FredNow@aol.com] For the Roses [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Shadows and Light info, please [SMEBD@aol.com] Joni & RS [Scott Price ] Re: excellent women (AND men) [catman ] Fwd: napster stays (OT) [jan gyn ] Re: First Joni [Jeff Clark ] Re:New (?) Joni Topic - Joan Songs and the Memorable moment [RoseMJoy@ao] Re: Joni referances in "Sleeping in Seattle" [Jason Maloney ] Re: A "Hello" and my Joni experience [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Johnstons cover album ["Kakki" ] Re: excellent women ["Victor Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 02:14:11 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: My boss and the late 70s Well, for the summer, I make a little $ for school by working as an assistant manager of a movie theater. Its actually quite fun at times... but that's beside the point. Today, my boss came in with a big box for me. It was full of Rolling Stone magazines in PRISTINE condition from 1979-1980. Wow. Carly Simon and James Taylor are all over this thing-- and there are some great photos of Joni in there as well. There's a great photo of her in "The year in review: 1979" issue-- apparently Joni had give RS the first interview in quite a few years after Mingus came out-- and they published a gret big photo in commemoration. :) Does anyone have any insight as to why she denied RS interviews for all those years? Anyway-- I was thrilled. Some Joni slippings-- and a great journey into the music industry 21 years ago. :) eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:06:10 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: PWWAM & S&L DVD (SJC) Julius wrote - "You can hold on to those pristine eye teeth, Les, but the S&L DVD will set you back about 50 US "bones" as we sometimes say over here. It is available, however. " Thank you Julius. I'll have to check my PC at home. I don't have a stand alone DVD as yet but I can play them back on my PC. I'm sure it is restricted but I'll check it out anyway. I may purchase it in any event against the possibility of buying a 'multi-code' machine in the future. FYI - - (I was buying CDs before I actually bought a Player...how odd is that?!) Your 50 bones will probably translate to 150 of our English Quids - the way we are 'stiffed' when we buy such material in this country beggars belief. All the best Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 06:34:48 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Synchro - Johnstons cover and Mendel Book? Somebody asked yesterday about the Mendel book. Yes, it is gorgeous, and it does include work from the late seventies and eighties. I was also struck by the "New York loft" story. I had no idea she had a place in New York. I'm assuming she didn't live there steadily from 77-87. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 06:43:05 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: A "Hello" and my Joni experience I've told my first-Joni story before, but old people are allowed to repeat themselves. I both the "Clouds" album in July 1969, a few days before the first moon landing. My older sister talked me into buying it because she wanted to hear the original version of "Both Sides Now," but didn't want to waste her allowance in case it sucked. I adored it immediately. I was thirteen and only a few years away from believing in fairies, and this "magic princess" music enchanted me. When the Eagle landed, I was upstairs listening to my Joni album until my father yelled at me to come downstairs and share the historic moment. I asked for the first album for Christmas, and since then I have bought every album as soon as it was released. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat. / Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:12:06 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: My boss and the late 70s Don't forget that you can read all the RS album reviews from 1967 onward at Http:///www.rollingstonemag.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:55:38 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Johnstons cover and Mendel Book? In a message dated 28/07/00 08:29:49 GMT Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:56:07 -0700 > From: "Kakki" > Subject: Synchro - Johnstons cover and Mendel Book? > > Today was a great day for Joni goodies. Our sweet Coyote Rick stopped by to > deliver precious cargo from his trip to Saskatoon and I also received in the > mail the mint vinyl of The Johnston's "Both Sides Now" album first brought > to my attention by our Irish Philip. I found an interesting link between > the two events - > > I listened to The Johnston's at lunch today. The first thing that came to > mind was "Graham Nash leaves The Hollies to midwife The Christy Minstrels > meets The Cowsills with a brogue." It's a fine album and very reminiscent > of the time. Also includes covers of two of my favorite songs which were > staples in my teenage sing-alongs - "Wherefore and the Why" by Gordon > Lightfoot, and "Hey That's No Way To Say Goodbye" by Leonard Cohen (also > covered gorgeously by Judy Collins). So I get curious about this album put > out by "Tetragrammation Records in Beverly Hills, CA". The brief liner > notes are by a Nathan Joseph who is also listed as the producer. I've never > heard of this record label or Mr. Joseph. > > Then tonight, I'm poring over the Mendel book and find this blurb from Joni > next to one of her abstract paintings - "From 1977 to '87 I sublet a loft in > New York City from an abstract expressionist named Nathan Joseph. Nathan's > medium was galvanized metal corroded by acids and the elements and a garden > hose. We shared a roof of a Soho building and over time became like family. > In the early '80s my subject matter remained figurative but eventually his > work influenced me towards the abstract - mainly because of the surfaces. > His surfaces seemed to be growing while my paint seemed to be just lying > there - flat. I abandoned the brush and began to roll the paint onto the > canvases with fruit-juice jars and rolling pins. It struck me as funny to > be using such feminine tools in such a macho field." > > Well, I have no idea if this is one and the same Nathan Joseph but it is > interetsing that his name has come up twice for me today in receipt of > Joni-related memorabilia. > Mr Nathan Joseph was a producer for Transatlantic records in the 60s and produced some of my favourite John Renbourn and Bert Jansch albums. The Johnstons album was originally put out by Transatlantic, I think. They turned out some wonderful folk type albums, many produced by Bill Leader who went on to start his own small record company and helped many young British folk performers. Talking of Bert Jansch, I've just bought his new album "Crimson Moon" and it's great. He sounds more or less exactly the same as he sounded 35 years ago and his guitar playing is still magic! Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:12:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: New (?) Joni Topic - Joan Songs and the Memorable moment <> Ah, yes....I remember the first time I heard "Dancin' Clown". I sprinted to the turntable to remove the needle! A memorable event indeed - lol! Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Josie" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:53:53 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: New (?) Joni Topic - Joan Songs and the Memorable moment I was a bit like that over Lead Balloon! Oh! Oh! INCOMING...........:-) Subject: Re: New (?) Joni Topic - Joan Songs and the Memorable moment <> Ah, yes....I remember the first time I heard "Dancin' Clown". I sprinted to the turntable to remove the needle! A memorable event indeed - lol! Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Josie" ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 00 09:53:16 EDT From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: Joni on Dick Cavett Yeah, I guess you're right, there were a few bags here and there. They're all so young here that even on a Monday morning they seemed fresh-faced to me. It is such an amazing program, though--really a time capsule. Joni-her body language and demeanor-is so shy and "girlish", yet when she performs she is so in command and absolutely radiates! Her version of "Willy" is so moving it brought even a non-Joni-fan friend of mine nearly to tears. This is really essential, very special viewing, especially if you also like CSN and JA. If you look closely at the right of the screen as the credits roll, you can see Joan dancing the funky-chicken off the side of the stage! When this ran I was having night-classes and am so technologically inadept, could not even program the VCR to tape when I wasn't at home. I remember racing home to catch it, was late, so only got part of it, then the other time only got another part of it, so I have it in kind of botched, out of sequence version. Hope that this can be traded or available someday--maybe they'll broadcast it again. Jeff NP: Whitney Houston-- "I Will Always Love You" << What's funny is they all seem so fresh-faced and bright-eyed, you'd think all they did was play Bingo the night before! >> I beg to differ. It looks to me like Stills is in a Monday morning aftter a very wild weekend and Grace Slick, especially, hasn't slept for several days. Joni, of course, looks fresh-faced and bright-eyed, but then she couldn't even get a decent Bingo game going the night before. Paul I ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:54:10 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: excellent women While we were talking about those #2's, other singer-songwriters we rank up next to "our Joni" it was noteworthy how many of these were other *female* singer-songwriters... Like Laura Nyro, Kate Bush, Ricky Lee, etc. (There were some new names in there I'm hoping to track down; thanks for those suggestions.) Now I, for one, don't think it is coincidence that so many of those #2's were female. Or that it happens that most impressive songs that I've heard in the past 20 years are by women, those found in Kate's "Dreaming," Joni's "Hissing," Ricky Lee's "Traces of the Western Slopes" on Pirates, and in her "Magazine"... I don't think this by chance: I believe that it connects to their being female. What makes these women's work impressive and effective and excellent is that their ambitions (as musicians and songwriters) remain joined to their desire to express themselves sincerely-- even while the personal expressivity is enlarged or sublimated into other topics. Their desire to impress their audience with their abilities and concerns (their ambition) remains tied to a desire to "communicate on an emotional level" (as the cliche goes) as well, and such a desire for communication influences (for the good) what they do with their ambition. Meaning that Joni, Kate and Ricky are often not simply singing about themselves, but they are singing about matters that they identify with intently. [Right now I have a headache which is clouding my mind, so I'm not myself communicating as cogently as I'd like... My apologies.] Also, the case that they are expressing themselves sincerely means that they put real effort into their singing; they sing in an attractive, lyric manner. By contrast, so much of the ambitious music by men (guys, boys) that I've come upon [I'm not going to name names... if you don't know what I'm talking about... well then...."enough said"] does not have this crucial element of personal expression & sincere communication to it. The songs are more likely to end up as cynical, hermetic, ugly, overblown, &/or empty. The content falls away, and we are left with technical virtuosity. So the ambition comes across, essentially, as showing off. - --so thinks this guy, Bruce PS I should add that in the Dreaming Kate does not simply sing in the aforementioned "attractive lyric" manner. She also sings in a very cranked up, diverse, & histrionic manner. (She uses the full resources of her voice.) But it remains that her sincerity here is present, and crucial. Her theatricality is consistent with what the songs are about, and her commitment to them. Which is why for those who don't understand what the Dreaming is about (as in some truly stupid "reviews") her singing appears to be just excessive showing off. But when you understand the songs, then you understand the sincerity of her ambitious manner of singing. And then you see what an excellent woman she is. PPS The most striking exception to this generalization-- that I've come upon-- is Andy Pratt's second album, the one with "Avenging Annie" on it. (Is is significant that he opens this album as Annie, in the guise of a woman?) This is an album which is odd, eclectic, ambitious-- and also very intense & sincere. It is also the case, and I don't think this is by coincidence, that Andy uses the full resources of his voice. (And is VERY ODD to me that so few male vocalists explore and make use of their entire vocal capabilities...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:15:11 -0400 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: New (?) Joni Topic - Joan Songs and the Memorable moment > or song coincided and therefore became memorable or significant. A song, > perhaps, of hers that cannot be heard without recalling to mind the events > that took place when the song was first heard. > Charles Amusing Trousers (London) I love this idea! Where do I start, there are so many! My most favorite one is Night Ride Home (the song). The CD came out right before my husband and I got married. We spent our honeymoon camping through New England (most of it in Maine). We took the back roads and traveled around staying at different camp sites. Because we were honeymooners, the grounds keepers were sweet enough to give us private spots-you know "the crazy cries of love"! One particular place we stayed was Thomaston Maine. We had a site right on the bay. There was a full moon. We walked along the water til dark, came back to the site, lit a fire and curled up next to each other. The moon was gorgeous! What romance! We still think about that to this day and when Night Ride Home, is played. (Of course we taped that CD and took it with us on the trip). "I love the man beside me, we love the open road...Once in awhile, in a big blue moon there comes a night like this, like some surrealist invented this (Memorial Day), Night Ride Home. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:43:13 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: excellent women (AND men) <> Respectfully disagree with that particular statement...I'm not gonna bother composing a list of male singers who sing in a complete emotional manner...OK, a couple, Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, Elvis Costello, Tom Waits, Sam Cooke, Nat King Cole...anyway, I would wager to say that the lists are about equal. Maybe I'm not really picking up on the gist of what you're trying to say. Bob NP: Bob Dylan, "Just Like A Woman" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:00:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > When Northern Exposure went off the air, I unplugged > my TV and put it in a > closet. > > I bring it out to watch movies.[...] Stop > the madness. Unplug. > I haven't watched TV for ages - nothing on worth watching! (I really did enjoy Northern Exposure, although it got kind of tired in its last year, IMO.) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:16:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni collectors? - --- Dave Gertler wrote: > Looking forward to hearing of others who share our > hobby ... About the only things I collect (Joni or otherwise) are music - formerly records, then tapes, now CDs, and music books. I don't trust myself with keeping anything else safe, and I hate dusting, so I try to keep my *stuff* to a minimum. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:08:30 +0100 From: "joe farrell" Subject: Re: Shadows & Light video Anyone know if it's possible to get hold of S&L video on PAL.? All the copies i've seen advertised are NSTC only and they won't play on UK video players. Even the recent Japanese re-release was not PAL compatible. I would love to see/own this video. Anybody have the capacity to convert NSTC to Pal? I'd be eternally grateful for any assistance! Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:57:10 +0100 From: "joe farrell" Subject: Johnstons cover album Kakki where did you get your vinyl mint copy of the Johnstons "Both Sides Now" album from? I've got the single on tetragrammaton records, unlike Philip i resisted the temptation to turn it into a frisbee, catalogue no is T-1507(7724) . They cover Both Sides Now on one side and Urge For Going on the other. I've had it quite a long time it shows a publication year of 1968 on the label. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:12:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: A "Hello" and my Joni experience - --- Deb Messling wrote: > I've told my first-Joni story before, but old people > are allowed to repeat > themselves. I both the "Clouds" album in July 1969, > a few days before the > first moon landing. My older sister talked me into > buying it because she > wanted to hear the original version of "Both Sides > Now," but didn't want to > waste her allowance in case it sucked. I adored it > immediately. I was > thirteen and only a few years away from believing in > fairies, and this > "magic princess" music enchanted me This sounds really me-too-ish! Clouds was my first Joni album. I bought it on the recommendation of a friend. It has to have been around the same time you bought it, Deb. Did it come out in 1968? 69? I would say I was about 14 or 15 when I bought it anyway. I immediately fell in love with the music and the lyrics and as soon as I could scrape a few bucks together, I promptly went out and bought the first album. I also bought the Joni Mitchell songbook, containing all the songs from the first two albums, as well as some of the earlier ones, like "Carnival in Kenora", "Who has seen the wind" and so on. I was in heaven! My younger sister Annie later lent to a so-called friend, without asking my permission. This person never returned it and my sister was too much of a candy ass to demand it back. All of which lends truth to the "Neither a borrower nor a lender be" statement made by Willy the Shake (not the orangoutan fella, the other one!) My older sister bought Ladies of the Canyon when it came out and I was jealous because, even though I wanted everyone to love and appreciate Joni as I did, I still wanted her all to myself! Later, when Margaret moved away from home, I quietly took over the LOTC album which is now mouldering in my basement along with all the others (including Cream's Wheels of Fire album which I snaffled in a similar way from my brother - too bad, bro, you moved out, your records are mine!) I looked forward to each new Joni album that came out, kind of lost track of her after "Wild things run fast", but picked it back up again a few years later. I'm now in the process of re-buying them all in CD format and hope one day to have a Really Good Stereo so that I can hear them in all their glory. The main reason I *really* wanted to learn to play guitar was so I could be like Joni. I also bleached my hair blonde, grew it long, and ironed it to get it straight like hers, not that I would have admitted to anyone just why I was doing this - hell, everyone was doing that in those days! I spent hours alone in my room practicing the guitar and writing bleak poetry and avoiding the rest of my family like the plague. Back then, I couldn't wait to grow up and move out into my own place. Now, there are times when I can't wait for my kids to grow up and move out - so I can have my own place! As far as the moon-landing is concerned, my Dad bought a colour TV solely so that we could see it in colour and sure enough, we all gathered 'round the tube to watch it. My older and only brother, space-nerd/ engineer-geek that he was, and still is, set up his camera and tripod to take pictures of it off the TV. These days of course, you'd just videotape the damn thing, but back then, you had to be a bit more ingenious. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:40:26 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: My boss and the late 70s At 01:14 AM 7/28/2000, Eric Wilcox wrote: >Does anyone have any insight as to why she denied RS >interviews for all those years? From the JMDL articles site: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790726rs.cfm comes this intro to the '79 Rolling Stone interview (written a few years after the fact by Ben Fong-Torres): "With Rolling Stone, I had my own little territory," says Cameron Crowe, who in 1979 lived in Los Angeles. "I became identified with Southern California musicians: The Eagles; Joe Walsh; Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young . . . and I'd run across Joni Mitchell in various situations for seven years. And I pestered her for an interview for seven years. I even wrote her a letter when Don Juan's Reckless Daughter came out (in early 1978), saying, this was the time for her to talk. She was not interested." Especially in Rolling Stone, which she had not forgiven for calling her a "groupie" in a year-end awards issue. She hadn't spoken to the magazine in eight years. But shortly after Mitchell finished Mingus, her collaboration with the jazz bassist Charles Mingus, Crowe got a call from her manager. "He said she wanted to talk and wanted to talk to me and she didn't care who for." Crowe called Rolling Stone. And although Mitchell had hit her commercial peak with the 1974 album, Court and Spark, and had been moving for several years into jazz—that is, away from her mass audience—there was no question. We wanted to hear from her. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:31:25 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Shadows and Light info, please Can anyone tell me if there is a readily available CD of S&L that has all the tracks originally released on vinyl? I know that the first CD version had some omissions, but seem to remember a later release that was complete. Thanks, Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:43:53 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: For the Roses I've been listening to For the Roses at least once or twice a day for a few days now, and even though it's always been one of my very fave Joni sides, it's killing me anew. A few thoughts: there's a very fine line between a group of songs that all sound the same and a masterful working of similar musical materials ... Joni achieves the latter to sublime effect. It's like a group of paintings all from the same period, each one a variation of the same musical elements. And what elements! The harmonic/melodic twists and turns, right from the start on "Banquet," still sound like modern music to me. This album may be the closest, musically speaking, to intentional song cycle of all her records, with many tunes ending and starting in the same key, or beginning with a harmonic resolution to the ending of the previous, or even overtly continuing with little or no break. The piano! The piano! The piano! Once again I realize how influential her piano approach was on my own. Finally (and this is true for much of Joni's music), where would her songs be without the raised/sharped 4th, and that hippest of all harmonic modulations, up a minor third? - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:24:57 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Shadows and Light info, please In a message dated 7/28/00 4:46:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FredNow@aol.com writes: << Can anyone tell me if there is a readily available CD of S&L that has all the tracks originally released on vinyl? >> To my knowledge, the "complete" S&L is the version that is now being made. I see the "complete" version in my local record store (Tower) all the time. Stephen (np--The Hard Way--Mary Chapin carpenter) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:26:44 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Joni & RS At 01:40 PM 7/28/00 -0600, Les Irvin quoted an article by Ben Fong-Torres: >Especially in Rolling Stone, which she had not forgiven for calling her a >"groupie" in a year-end awards issue. She hadn't spoken to the magazine in >eight years. I believe Joni's resentment stemmed from being labeled by Rolling Stone "Old Lady of the Year" when the magazine published a "flow chart" of her past love interests. It was IMO mean-spirited and I don't blame her one bit for boycotting the publication. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:37:03 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: excellent women (AND men) someone wrote: > < I've come upon [I'm not going to name names... if you don't know > what I'm talking about... well then...."enough said"] > I don't think I can say 'does not have this crucial element of personal expression & sincere communication to it.' However, I have rarely been moved by a male singer. hence I have none in my collection of cd's. Music without lyrics by males, yes. I don't know why this is, that i don't feel moved by male singers. The occasional song yes, I have liked. Bridge Over Troubled Water for example. And a Springsteen song(I'm on Fire, I think) is one of the sexiest songs I have ever heard. I bought a cd by the bloke who sang Road To Hell but hated it. Love the single. Chris Rea I think he's called. I;'ve tried listening to James Taylor(john likes him) and was left unmoved, Bob Dylan, well I 'd throw something at him just to get him to shut up, yet i know many love him , had a friend who did. Elton John-no thanks. I am not saying male singers are awful, they just leave me cold. I can't explain what it is either other than to say they don't move me. Oh, I forgot! Elvis. Now I do like him! When he sings certain ballds. So I have just proved myself a liar! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:41:27 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: napster stays (OT) Napster gets stay! http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2000/07/28/nat ional1816EDT0709.DTLtype=tech_article ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 00 20:19:00 EDT From: Jeff Clark Subject: Re: First Joni To Charlie-Chuckle-Pants-- Beautiful story. Loved it. Made my day. Jeff ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:20:26 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re:New (?) Joni Topic - Joan Songs and the Memorable moment Chelsea Morning is song that most comes to mind. It was when "I came out of the city and down by the seaside." I have a deep love for the sea and all things related. I'm a water sign (Pisces), guess it figures, huh? The summer of '69 spent on the East coast in Ortley Beach, NJ. It was the best summer as some really fabulous, loving people came into my life. yeah, I had a lot of beach tar on my feet, but it was great to always be barefoot, as I hate shoes. I spent a lot of time with three women who shared an apartment atop a surf shop. (The Catwomen) Debbie, Rosalie and Carol. Debbie was a musician/artist who really dug Joni. Woke up, it was a Chelsea morning And the first thing that I saw Was the sun through yellow curtains And a rainbow on the wall Blue, red, green and gold to welcome you Crimson crystal beads to beckon And no, I didn't name my daughter Chelsea, I named her Corinne after Bob Dylan's song. Nights spent sleeping on the beach and sometimes running from the beach patrol; I might add. Sunrises and sunsets. The colors were magnificent. Boardwalks and Pinball arcades. These images are stuck to my senses whenever I hear that song. Hey, play us Starry Night again, man! Rose (let's go surfing now) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:00:15 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Joni referances in "Sleeping in Seattle" Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > > Did anyone notice the Joni referances in the Meg Ryan-Tom Hanks > movie,"Sleeping in seattle"?the movie came out in 1998,or 1999,I > think. You're thinking of You've Got Mail - the *other* Hanks & Ryan romantic comedy. Ryan's character is a big Joni fan...'River' plays in one Xmas scene, and then Hanks makes a disparaging remark about Joni during a walk through the marketplace with Ryan. The film's not half as bad as some would have you believe, though it *is* inferior to Sleepless In Seattle, which was 1993 or 1994. I've seen it twice, and the DVD has some great extra features. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 02:49:46 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Joni's dancing . . . magic One of my fondest memories of Joni was watching her dance. As magical as the Denver, S&L concert was . . . it is the dancing that comes to mind the most. Don't get me wrong, the music and the setting at the Red Rocks outdoor amphitheater was incredible. I guess I just was not expecting her to dance . . . much less the delightful, fluid, joyful dancing. Front row, so close. So amazing. I think it was August of 1980. For those of you that have not been there, imagine enormous boulders the size of 15-story buildings. Nestled in-between two of the boulders are the thousands of seats cascading down towards the stage. Imagine a full moon with an American city twinkling down the mountain in the distance, and on the stage below . . . Methany, Jaco, Joni and you know the rest on the S&L tour. That was the view from my seat, on the second night of the concert, in the farthest row from the stage. I wanted to see the audience, the miniscule figures standing on top of the boulders above me, the moon and to simply listen to the music. The night before I was front row and center. Just amazing. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:52:11 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: A "Hello" and my Joni experience Deb Messling wrote: > I've told my first-Joni story before, but old people are allowed to repeat > themselves. I both the "Clouds" album in July 1969, a few days before the > first moon landing. About the same time I bought mine, somewhere around 20 July 1969... I read about the album in the Chicago "Seed" (the wonderful underground paper) and ordered it through a record club, I think, or maybe I actually bought it in a store, funny I can't remember that, but my friends remember when I got it, I made them all listen to it... and it has been Joni ever since. When they tell me about music they like even now, they say "I don't like this as much as you like Joni but..." (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:18:24 +0700 From: "william" Subject: rl jones on SNL Re MDESTE1@aol.com's post on Rickie Lee Jones's appearance on Saturday Night Live. Man I wish I had seen that one. Last night in our (gurus', senseis') local, our big boss came in. A blue moon occurance. A fellow sensei and I got up on the stage and did three songs - pissed as farts. He on drums, me on electric and good faith. Steeeamin' roller Blues, The Ballad of J&Y, and to rapturous applodding - Woodstock. Felt I had never sung it like that ever. After 8 beers I dunno how I got my nimbles round those Joni chords. Woodstock seemed to blow 'em all away. Might be up for promotion. I lo-o-o-ove RLJ but confess to not knowing that much about her out of her music, other than the fact that she's prone to getting pissed before an appearance. So glad I didn't try Paprika Plains - the 12-inch version, ha! Have y'all a great weekend Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:12:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Johnstons cover album Joe wrote: > Kakki where did you get your vinyl mint copy of the >Johnstons "Both Sides Now" album from? I've got the single >on tetragrammaton records, unlike Philip i resisted the >temptation to turn it into a frisbee, catalogue no is > T-1507(7724) . I found it by chance in the auction section on Amazon.com when I did a general search on The Johnstons. If it had been a mere CD I might have passed it by, but that lure of old mint vinyl gets me gong every time ;-) > They cover Both Sides Now on one side and Urge For >Going on the other. I've had it quite a long time it shows a >publication year of 1968 on the label. Wow, I didn't know they also covered UFG! Does Bob have this one yet?! ;-) Also, thanks to Jacky for all the info on Nathan Joseph. Kakki NP: Paul Brady - Nobody Knows (The Johnstons main guy is still going strong with very good music - thanks again to Philip to this one) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 02:00:50 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: excellent women > By contrast, so much of the ambitious music by men (guys, boys) that >I've come upon [I'm not going to name names... if you don't know >what I'm talking about... well then...."enough said"] does not have >this crucial element of personal expression & sincere communication to it. >The songs are more likely to end up as cynical, hermetic, ugly, overblown, >&/or empty. The content falls away, and we are left with technical >virtuosity. So the ambition comes >across, essentially, as showing off. You are right in that there are exceptions. While this attitude definately exists and I am aware of it, for me personally, personal expression and sincere communication are what has inspired me to play and write music for 15+ years. And the excellent feedback I receive from people is very rewarding for I can see that I am making a highly personal connection through music which is what music is all about as far as I am concerned. I believe that all people have a feminine and masculine side and I think that if you are completely comfortable with both sides then you are more healthy and centered. This has been my experience anyway and I believe it comes across in the music I play. But then there really is nothing more beautiful than a woman's voice. However, I think there are many ambitious men who have shown that technical virtuosity does not have to be empty of passion. I find the music of John Coltrane for example to be very spiritual and passionate. I am going to see Yes this weekend and Steve Howe is probably one of the most technically brilliant guitarists to come out of the 70's. I find the music of Yes strangely mystifying and powerful. All the members of the group Rush are considered technically brilliant in their field but if I would never have picked up a guitar and learned to sing if I hadn't had listened to the album, "A Farewell to Kings", way back in 1985. Steely Dan also comes to mind( as I just saw them last week). So I don't know if I would agree that virtuosity and emptiness can be so easily linked together. I don't consider people "showing off" to be ambitious. To me, ambitious means breaking out of the norm, going where noone has gone before, creating something new and different. Though perhaps, it is this very stereotype you describe, that makes it so challenging for men to succeed and prove that there are exceptions. victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #312 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?