From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #308 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, July 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 308 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch [B Merrill ] Joni's management ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Joni on Brady Bunch -- soooo NOT! [Louis Lynch ] bad hair day [Erin Stoy ] more Stereophile [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni's worst? ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Joni's worst? [Jerry Notaro ] Joni & the Brady Bunch ["c Karma" ] LAST BIG UK JONIFEST ANNOUNCEMENT!!! ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: Joni & the Brady Bunch [Don Rowe ] Appreciation of JMDL (still more) [Jeff Clark ] RE: Joni and the Brady Bunch ["Peg Eves" ] Gold C&S ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch [David Gertler ] Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch [Jerry Notaro ] Another Joni mention from Stereophile [Jerry Notaro ] My first post: Joni's first hold on me ["Van Metre, Gordon" ] Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: My first post: Joni's first hold on me ["Mark or Travis" > Maybe because Davey Jones was an actor hired to play the role of a pop/rock singer in a TV show? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:36:01 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch In a message dated 07/24/2000 10:20:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << It would have been wonderful if Joni could have made a guest appearence >> Oh I can just see it now, Joni sitting in the living room going on and on to Mrs. Brady "......caught in the middle, Carol we're middle class....."...and " the wolf that lives in Cindy" comes running down the stairs with her "Thiny Toyth", followed by her screaming sister because "....Marsha's faucet needs a plumber..." and she goes running to "Alice and the Kingpen". But what happen to Alice's boyfriend Sam? Oh "Sam must be a Butcher Man". Then Carol's husband, you know Mike, "Mike from Mountains" is in his office upset over his eldest son. It seems he had some peer pressure at school, and everyone wanted to ride in "Greg's Dad's Cadillac". Joni gets fed up with the whole family, but at least while she was there she was able to "Tame Tiger". ;~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:27:58 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch >Speaking of surreal Joni connections on TV, she ACTUALLy WAS on the Tom Jones >Show in 1970, alas, no duet with Tom... You mean to say that Joni sang "Delilah" and "What's New Pussycat?" unplugged and alone? While Tom wailed his way solo through... "Edith and the Kingpin"? That would be my recommendation for music to listen to while stoned. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:44:06 GMT From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Joni's management Does anyone have name and number of Joni's management or agent? A friend of mine here in London is one of the responsibles for a new venue place and is trying to book artists for the opening season. He's trying to get Joni Mitchell among others and of course I'd do anything to help him. I'm sure all UK listers are with me on this. Have your fingers crossed! Thanks Raffaele ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 06:14:55 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Joni on Brady Bunch -- soooo NOT! Hello all, Harper Lou here, Brady Bunch? Aren't we stretching things a wee bit here? The Brady Bunch was to counterculture what steak tartare is to vegetarianism. Joni would have lost all her credibility as a songwriter of the generation by appearing on a commercially produced mainstream sitcom. The Tom Jones show was a variety show, which showcased many different musical talents -- not a stretch for any singer. In fact, in those days before VH1-a-thons, Jones' show did a pretty good job promoting musicians. So did Sonny & Cher, Laugh In, Ed Sullivan, and other variety shows. I remember those days (partially through the smoke) as a time when there was a great pressure not to conform, not to trust anyone over 30, to believe in ideals that were suppressed by the government, to defy the war and other oppressive social conventions (like racism, sexism, etc.). I also can remember when my friends teased me mercilessly for admitting that I liked Jackie De Shannon's "Put a Little Love in Your Heart" because the song was so "uncool." (Thanks to Annie Lennox for proving those guys wrong!). There was a strict dividing line between what was hip and what was not. The musicians sang about "the man" and "shopping bag people" and "piggies" and signs saying long-haired freaky people needing not apply. The Brady Bunch, no matter how desperately they tried to dress to be cool, were definitely on the other side of the culture. Of course, we were all too busy protesting in DC and trying to sneak into rock festivals that we hippies didn't have time for TV anyway. Also, most of us sold our TVs so we could pay for yet another fuel pump on our VW microbuses. Sometimes we would visit friends to watch certain bands on variety shows -- like Strawberry Alarm Clock on Laugh-In, and later Don Kirschner's Rock Concert and Saturday Night Live. But commercial sitcoms, no way!!! I never saw a single episode of the Brady Bunch until my daughter started watching it recently on Nickelodeon. Ewwwwwwwwww! I'm so glad I missed it. Maybe I'm too old now, but I don't get it. It's not funny, like say, old Gilligan's Island or Beverly Hillbillies episodes. It doesn't seem real -- more spooky like a surreal Twilight Zone episode about an American family robotized under the power of an evil villian with a mind-control device who forces them to live in a constant state of unhealthy codependence and bipolarity. Joni Mitchell, in those days, was the coolest thing in my world. I could not imagine her being on a show like that. It would make me cry, frankly, to find out she was. Why don't you just come over with black magic markers and draw mustaches and weird eyebrows on her portraits on all the covers of my prized original Blue and Clouds vinyl albums? I hereby vote to revive the Metheny thread or the top five times you made love to a Joni song, or something, anything!!!! Older, not necessarily wiser, Harper Louis Lynch VISIT THE PENNSYLVANIA RENAISSANCE FAIRE, WEEKENDS AUGUST THROUGH OCTOBER http:\\www.louislynch.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:39:39 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Painting with Words and Music - again First Up - Hi to Willy the Shake - Art School Buddy of mine, from the dim and distant, with a gift for wandering off the point and surreal syntax. :-) Willy, answer my e-mails and make the list a happier place! I am living in dreams of JM making the trip to La Scala to present BSN, whereupon I shall remortgage the home and start walking to Italy. Is there any word of the recent tour making it to some kind of video release? This may have been covered but I have been off list nursing a strangeness in the heart of my quark. Given that access to visual recorded performances for the rest of the world beyond the USA is a tad on the infrequent side, it is with some regret that I find it very hard to like PWWAM. Only, but only, when she sings without her guitar does she come in to her own on this recording. I have watched it a few times now, each occasion sending me further into despair as the most Loved One fails to ignite the flame of the song. I have observed that Joan's guitar work over the recent years is becoming progressively more complex in its timing and chops. I love it. Love it all. But when it comes to performance she seems to re-phrase her singing to marry up to the structure of her strumming and picking to the detriment of the flow of the song. Any views? I should love this video, I really want to, but for the life of me, all it makes me do is cringe. Is there any news on the development of JM's follow up to BSN and the re-visiting of other works from her cannon? I keep feeling like I will bump into her over here in London singing with the local scrapers (Lon Symp Orchestra). As if..... Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:08:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Stoy Subject: bad hair day Hell wrote: "Possibly Joni's worst hair day?" http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/85m.cfm Oh man, that IS bad! But I think everyone had bad hair in the '80s. I know I did! rin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:12:07 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: more Stereophile Analog Corner: Joni Mitchell played The Theater at MSG recently, supporting her new CD, Both Sides Now. Mitchell with symphony orchestra sounded like a no-brainer, so we got tickets, though by the time my friend was able to get through online to Ticketmaster the best seats were gone. We got second-best accommodations for &75, which seemed reasonable, given the cost of rehearsing an orchestra, then traipsing around the country with it. The program handed out at the door announced that Herbie Hancock, Mark Isham, Peter Erskine, and a few other luminaries would be joining Mitchell, so we jazzed ourselves as we took our seats, which were actually pretty good; closer than halfway back and slightly stage left. The crowd resembled the one at the last Joni Mitchell concert I attended, only 20 years older, and definitely more gay. Though it was a mostly 40/50 something throng, as I surveyed the audience and noticed very little gray hair. I don't think it was dye, either. Must be the vitamins. Arrayed across the stage was a really large orchestra - well over 100 pieces - featuring a massive string section, and set with a jazz combo featuring Erskine's drum kit, Hancock's piano, and more than one electric bass. (Mitchell's ex-husband and musical director Larry Klein played along on some tunes with Chuck Berghofer.) Then conductor Vince Mendoza entered, took his place on the podium, lowered the baton, and the orchestra fired up an overture - a piece by Debussy. Disgust and disappointment. Not one note, not a single vibration, not a glimmer of sound - was audible from the stage. The mass of musicians might as well have stayed home. Every molecule of sound emanated from a cluster of shitty PA speakers hung almost ceiling high on either side of the stage. The sound just didn't originate at the speakers, it was pasted to them, localized in a small, bright, edgy, mono spotlight. After all, we weren't seated in the sweet spot between the left and right clusters. Wait a minute. Was I in a hi-fi store or a concert hall. Mitchell entered, and once the sycophants had tired of yelling "We love you, Joni," she began to sing. Her voice, too, of course, spewed forth from a speaker array, overlaid with spitty digital processing. Talk about cognitive dissonance! Over 'there" was the live concert I'd bought tickets for. But I was stuck over "here" with a PA system playing what could have been prerecorded music or a remote broadcast from another part of the world, for all it conveyed about the concert I was supposedly attended. Obviously, whoever sat before the soundboard had never heard of the term sound reinforcement. Instead, we got his or her electronic mix. Under such conditions, why bother going to see live orchestral music - or any kind of music? To watch more than 100 tuxedoed musicians sawing, plucking, and blowing away on unheard instruments? To see a speck of a beloved artist in the distance and hear her voice pounded into digital mud and pumped through loud but junky speakers? I don't think so. Anyway, it was a great performance. I think. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's worst? Hell wrote: > Possibly Joni's worst hair day? > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/85m.cfm The funniest thing about this is the genius pairing of photo and text -- was this the choice of Musician, Bill Flanagan, or Les? " Joni Mitchell's songs pour from her soul , but her head gets in there, too. When Mitchell came up with the line "Sometimes change comes at you like a broadside accident," she first paired it with, "You get minor cuts and bruises, that's all/You could hammer out the dents." That was a cute little metaphor in the tradition of "Electricity" and "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio," but the songwriter wasn't happy with it. After some fiddling she changed the second line to: "There is chaos to the order, random things you can't prevent." " &: D Lori in DC, currently sporting similar hair __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:22:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's worst? "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > Hell wrote: > > > Possibly Joni's worst hair day? > > > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/85m.cfm That unfortunate photo was taken at the session she did for The Friends of Animals campaign. The photographs on the resulting poster are far more attractive. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:51:58 GMT From: "c Karma" Subject: Joni & the Brady Bunch I don't know if this will help remove the thought of so heinous an image as Joni appearing in even one frame of film with such a banal situation as The Brady Bunch, but I'd rather seek to see a rebroadcast of the animated version of "Big Yellow Taxi" that appeared on "The Sonny and Cher Show" sometime in 1970 or '71. In this wonderfully free spirited animation, a nude Cher is seen being awakened by bulldozers, and spends much of the song fleeing the rape of the planet. Does anyone know if this is available on videotape? CC "Last night the ghosts of my old ideals reran on Channel 5." -- JM ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:10:21 -0700 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: LAST BIG UK JONIFEST ANNOUNCEMENT!!! Hi gang :) Just thought I'd send another message around with the decided-upon dates. The 'fest is set for 12th/13th August, with a possible early start on Friday evening if people want to. I'm easy on that score. Location is 49 Moat Way, Swavesey, Cambridgeshire. http://www.secure-si.co.uk/map.jpg sums it up. Phone numbers below in sig. Plan of campaign is:- Friday night: people arrive, start drinking, I'll lay on food. Possibility of music, if people bring something to play :) Saturday: Lunch at a country pub somewhere near Swavesey. Evening meal TBC: BBQ if weather is good, plan B if not. (Plan B being either a restaurant, or home cooking.) Sunday: Possible recovery time from the night before :) In between the meals, I'm open to suggestions. I've got tons of videos from Ashara, which people may want to see (well, some: Video trees 1, 2, 4 and A Day In The Garden). I think there's also a few of us at least who will be bringing instruments. If the weather's up to it, then there's also options like punting through Cambridge, or college tours, or the Fitzwilliam museum, and so on. If you want to come, please let me know as soon as possible! I need to start finalising plans, deciding whether to cook or book restaurants, and so on. I need to know the following things:- Are you arriving Friday night? Saturday morning (i.e. before 12) Saturday afternoon (between about 3 and 6) Sunday morning? Are you Vegetarian? Vegan? Fruitarian? From Mars? Violently allergic to anything in particular? (Nuts, gluten, chillis, and so on) Are you arrving by public transport (god help you) car Can you afford a night or two in a nearby hotel/B&B, or do you need me to scrape a space on the floor? Can you help me prepare food for Saturday night if the weather goes nasty on us? EVEN IF YOU'VE ALREADY CONFIRMED: can you please do so again, letting me know the above information? Please direct all replies to chris@secure-si.co.uk, rather than to either list. Thanks, and fingers crossed for some fine weather! - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris @ secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 86F2 8809 FAC2 37ED 491A FD7D 7CAF 3206 E706 D3B3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:36:13 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on Brady Bunch -- soooo NOT! <> So, Harper, I suppose you would be equally repulsed by the "I Dream of Joni" concept with Joni in bare midriff cooing and crossing her arms at Major Nelson's request? LOL! Bob NP: The Doobie Brothers, "Snake Man" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:06:24 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Joni on the Brady Bunch Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:37:33 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch Relayer asked: "no,why would it be a joke?Davie Jones of the Monkees made an appearence on "The Brady Bunch".why shouldn't Joni have?" I dunno... Maybe because Joni is more highly evolved than Monkees? :) --Bob There is now way that Sherwood Schwartz would have anyone who wrote a line like "fuck your strangers" on his perfect little world of a show... LOL! Imagine all the Brady girls singing 'Woman of Heart and Mind'... Twisted Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:10:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni & the Brady Bunch Just in case anybody was wondering if there's an issue we *don't* look at here on the JMDL ... this ought to put that baby to bed. Coming soon to a discussion list near you: Joniyasquatsi So sue me, I'm a film slut too! ;-D Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 00 12:37:53 EDT From: Jeff Clark Subject: Appreciation of JMDL (still more) >First time contributors are welcome anytime of course, but this week >seems like a good time to build on the successes of last week. Thanks for the encouragement Jim . . . Just a little more. ;-) As I've said, when I discovered JM "Shadows and Light" was out. This was purchased somewhat later than the rest of the albums, however. (I bought all of them probably within 6 months of discovering C&S.) One night I remember sitting in the basement with my headphones on giving S&L its first proper, full attentive listen. I was absolutely in love with this music. The way she sang "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" sent shivers all through me. As I looked over the oeuvre of this womans work in front of me that I was just discovering, I was amazed. I could not f*cking believe it! All within the span of 10 years! Had anyone ever accomplished such a body of work , array of styles, in such a time span? And she painted the covers! And yet she seemed no where to be found. I couldn't understand why every time I turned on the radio, she wasn't being played somewhere. When I would read the old issues of RS and other mags for articles and reviews, it was clear that she was a Big Deal in the seventies, yet where was she at now? She seemed so unpopular I thought I could look up her address in Malibu and go over and visit. And every time I turned on the radio, every single time, they were playing "Endless Love" by Diana Ross and Lionel Ritchie. This was a very lonely time for me musically, early eighties (wiping a tear). Friends of mine had the same vague, outdated notion of who she was that I had before I purchased her records. They'd say "Is she the one who sang rows and flows of angel hair?", with a somewhat perplexed, questioning look and a bit of a smirk. "Yeah, she did" I said, but check this out. Listen to this. Listen. Listen. Listen. I felt like a missionary trying to convert the primitives into the Light! Yeah, it was lonely, but I was carrying the torch for what I believed in (violins please). So it is great and appreciated to have JMDL to share thoughts and appreciation of JM, always the Queen of Mind Beauty. Though there has been a bit much of me lately so I will SHUT UP for awhile (promise) :-) Though I won't be posting for awhile ;-)I am interested in hearing other Joni histories, especially those knowing of her from way back. As I came into Joni somewhat later, after the Great Run (though by no means the end of the great music) what was it like to have caught these great albums as they were coming out, one after another. Were you knocked out at this change in styles? What was it like when C&S (my fave) first came out. Did it blow you away, or did you feel it was too slick and not as profound as say, Blue? Was everyone talking about it? (At this point even your mother must have been familiar with the name JM!) And HOSL, was that a trip!? For a long time (years) I did not like that album, hardly listened to it, then one day it sunk its hooks in me and I listened to it every day for 2 years! Thanks, Jeff At work, depressed because no music is playing, a little afraid of getting fired, didn't dream of Joni last night. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:21:47 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Joni and the Brady Bunch Tom Jones has a wonderful voice doesn't he! Godd singer. Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of B > Merrill > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 8:28 AM > To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; Joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Joni and the Brady Bunch > > > >Speaking of surreal Joni connections on TV, she ACTUALLy WAS on the Tom > Jones > >Show in 1970, alas, no duet with Tom... > > You mean to say that Joni sang "Delilah" and "What's New Pussycat?" > unplugged and alone? > > While Tom wailed his way solo through... "Edith and the Kingpin"? > > That would be my recommendation for music to listen to while stoned. > > Bruce > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:46:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Gold C&S Never have seen a discussion of the Gold Court and Spark release. Finally got my hands on one thanks to Half.com. I've listened to it twice and am quite impressed with the remastering job. Certainly worh the extra dead presidents. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:19:18 -0400 From: David Gertler Subject: Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch > Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:40:14 EDT > From: Murphycopy@aol.com > Subject: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch > > [...] > I read in the archives that at one low point in her career, Joni -- I hope > I'm getting this right -- approached the producers of "Northern Exposure" and > asked to be on the show, either playing herself or someone like her fleeing > the LA music scene. Do you remember when '80s pop star Adam Ant appeared on Northern Exposure, playing a musician? Think the producers picked him over Joni? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:27:10 -0400 From: David Gertler Subject: Re: Looking For New Contributors > [...]So, consider these thought provoking questions: > > * How did you find out about Joni? I was aware of her for a long time, but I didn't really get "into" her until a co-worker gave me a copy of Hejira about 10 years ago. (He had taped the album, but not all of it could fit onto one side of the tape, so he omitted "A Strange Boy" and "Furry Sings the Blues" -- I later bought the CD, but I had gotten so used to hearing it the other way that I still usually skip those two tracks.) > * What were your early experiences with her songs? I knew she had written "Woodstock," but all I'd heard was the CSN version, with its strong pop sensibilities. When I later heard her more dirge-like version, it blew me away. > * How did you explore the albums? I still haven't heard some of them: Mingus, TTT, DED, TI. However, Hejira is my all-time fave, and I also especially adore the first one (which I think of as _Joni Mitchell_, not _Songs to a Seagull_) and _Miles of Aisles_. My fantasy for a long time was to get a multi-CD player and put five Joni albums on "random play." We recently got that sort of CD player, so I'll indulge my fantasy this summer. > Why not join in the chorus of new posters? I've posted before, but not much, so I'll join in again now -- thanks for asking! Dave Gertler (Delaware, USA) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:47:34 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch I think Joni on Northern Exposure would make sense. Such an off-beat show. One of my faves is Juliana Hatfield as an angel in the Christmas episode of My So Called Life. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:11:05 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: listening to joni when... the sixties > The 60's were a wonderful time... a delightful time to be alive. > Bruce > > >) I loved the 60s then and now and hold > many wonderful > >memories of them and the times I had. Rose-colored > >glasses? - I don't care - much everlasting good came out of that decade. > > > >Kakki > >I second that emotion. The time of the inception of all that heavy music (and it's messages) was a sparkling time in eternity. It was a phenomenon. A flood, a hurricane. I have so many pictures in my mind of moments in that time - and the SOUNDS!! (And Yes to Jonatha Brooke - I saw The Story probable 4 years ago now, but they(she) were(was) very powerful!! Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: B > Merrill > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 11:18 PM > To: Kakki; Jim L'Hommedieu; _JMDL - June 98 > Subject: Re: listening to joni when... the sixties > > > >NP: Jonatha Brooke live in N.J. 6/4/00 - So Much Mine > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:36:36 -0500 From: "Susan" Subject: Many Threads To Cross(SJC) > Lori wrote > > I am SO stoked ... this coming Thursday, July 27, I > get to see/hear Jonatha open for Joan Armatrading (my > longtime #2) at Wolf Trap in VA! Mary and I have > seats in Row U -- not as close as I'd like, but I > ain't complaining! Anyone else from the JMDL going? > Well Lori and fellow Joan Armatrading fans, I just saw Joan last week Thursday and I have only one wish ... that her concert was still coming rather than here and gone. She is the sweetest soul and she was fabulous! Good thing green is my favorite color cause I am turning green with envy that you will see her soon Lori. Besides promoting Jonatha, who I don't know much of - yet, those in the world who still have not turned onto Ms. Armatrading there is just one thing I have to say - DO IT! > "P. Henry" wrote: > all I can say is that few Americans realize just > > how HUGE Abba was in Europe in the '70's... > > REALLY huge!!!!!!!!!! > So is Brittany Spears - now, does that mean we should drop our artistic ethics and values and except them as anything but POP stars? I think not. I myself occasionally dig hearing some of their (ABBA) stuff in a nostalgic kind of situation but - I have my limits and my standards. ( see my nose WAY up in the air?) Julius wrote: I was high as a Georgia pine when I heard Blue for the first time in college. I cried, cause it was all too beautiful. Still is. Still is. Hey Julius and all of the rest enjoying this thread. Others, please don't judge us , this is just an in fun question But I, who still do part take at the ripe old age of 43 ( just turned today, first time I had to actually say it), feel it is not better or worse, it's just different. More often in fact, I am not stoned where music is concerned. But when I was 13 and "Blue" came out, I was just beginning my life long relationship with grass. I would not give up those memories for anything! Still toking after all these years! Just in case my short term memory deceives me now BLUE is my number one Joni album. Followed by For The Roses, Hejira, Court & Spark and Ladies of the Canyon. If this has changed from anything I have posted before, don't tell me cause next week it may be different still. Close runners up HOSL & Night Ride Home. Uh-oh I better go I feel a mood swing comin' on Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:43:00 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Another Joni mention from Stereophile In a speaker review: A naive listener would be tempted to ascribe such faults to the speaker, not the recording. But when I put on one of the best modern recordings to plow the same musical furrow as Ferry - Joni Mitchell's Both Sides Now (Reprise 4762902), this magazine's "Recording of the Month" for April 2000 - the presence of recording and balance engineers with skill and musical taste was also readily laid bare by the little Dynaudios. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:16:08 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Joni in the Projects Dunno about that one. But I can report that BYT is still pumping life into today's animation. A week ago my two young sons invited me to join them in a some current claymation show about black ghetto life. Called "PJ's" maybe? The topic: A muscled white wrestler-politcian, obviously based upon Jesse V, was going to demolish the rundown housing project & install a big new mega-structure. But our hero would have none of it, and at one point, to add some poignancy to his position, quipped, "Tear down paradise and put up a parking lot, huh?!" Said in a cartoony ghetto style. Everybody digs "our Joni." Bruce At 02:51 PM 07/25/2000 GMT, c Karma wrote: >I don't know if this will help remove the thought of so heinous an image as >Joni appearing in even one frame of film with such a banal situation as The >Brady Bunch, but I'd rather seek to see a rebroadcast of the animated >version of "Big Yellow Taxi" that appeared on "The Sonny and Cher Show" >sometime in 1970 or '71. In this wonderfully free spirited animation, a >nude Cher is seen being awakened by bulldozers, and spends much of the song >fleeing the rape of the planet. Does anyone know if this is available on >videotape? > >CC > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:01:51 -0500 From: "Van Metre, Gordon" Subject: My first post: Joni's first hold on me Here's a thread I've chosen to pick up: my first exposure to JM. It was C&S, I was a freshman in college in 1980 and a friend knew the kind of music I liked and asked if I like Joni. I said, "Who?" and he said, "You know: Help me I think I'm fallin..." Sounded vaguely familiar... So he leant me the album and I was hooked. It is still my all time favorite, probably my single favorite album by any artist, though that seems like a tall order for a single album to fill. I recognized "Help Me" and "Free Man in Paris" from what little pop airplay they must have had, but the rest was all new, and I loved it. "People's Parties" and "Down to You" in particular roped me in and have never yet let me go. Even though I'm no longer in a place in my life where either of them speak to me first hand, I can relive the feelings at a listen. How can someone so beautifully capture human emotion? I was reminded of my love affair with this album a couple weeks ago when I pulled it out to listen to in the car on the way to work, and that, in fact, is what inspired me to do a web search on Joni, whereupon I discovered this list. To ooze a little more on C&S, I once listened to the whole album after eating LSD alone (strictly a past indulgence which I no longer advocate - just for the record!) and came to appreciate it yet more if that was possible. I was struck by the ways the musical themes reinforce the words, e.g., the way "Help Me" fades off musically unresolved, which (to me) reinforces the uncertainty of the text ("Help me I think I'm falling / In love with you..." "We love our lovin' / But not like we love our freedom..."), etc. And the way the production on "Trouble Child" seems to isolate the sound in space, especially that muted trumpet, in the same way that the narrator is isolated. I could go on, but I won't. I love all of the albums I've heard, some more than others. I love the loneliness of "Blue" (which a very good friend sent us on tape while we were in Europe and which just about defines that sense of adventure and odd detachment you feel abroad), and the purity of "Ladies of the Canyon", but "Court and Spark" for me stands as the triumph of the thematic marriage of music and lyrics. Thanks for letting me go on. Gordon "Maybe I'll go to Rome and rent me a grand piano and put some flowers 'round my room." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:05:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: F&J <> Hiya Jerry! Well, you must have been *stoned* when I sent my original sign-up post! ;~D Just in case others are wondering and missed the announcement...I'll be brief... I am currently accepting blanks and postage for this 2 CD-Tree. My address: Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 A brief description - Volume 1, some odds and ends from the 80's (Tour rehearsals 1983, Shiny Toys Remixed, Farm Aid 85, Amnesty Int'l 86, Aussie TV 88) Volume 2, All Y2K interviews, CBC TV show from Feb, Rosie O'Donnell TV appearance, includes 2 songs live, The Promo Interview CD for BSN. Steve Polifka has designed some breathtakingly wonderful artwork (covers, tray liners, etc.) If you have other JONI to trade (Joni only, please) let me know! But you don't NEED anything to trade! Blanks are fine... If you're sending me blank CD's, BE SURE THEY ARE "MUSIC" or "AUDIO" CD's.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please include a note telling me that you want "F&J"...otherwise I won't know what to make for you. If you have any questions, ask! :~) Newbies are more than welcome - start your underground Joni collection now! :~) Bob NP: Van, "I Need Your Kind Of Loving" Thanks Boston Jim!! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:27:19 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: My first post: Joni's first hold on me Hi Gordon, Welcome to the list! Yours was a great post, I enjoyed it very much. I'm rather new myself and most people on this list are just too terrific! Enjoy! Gary Van Metre, Gordon wrote: > > Here's a thread I've chosen to pick up: my first exposure to JM. It was > C&S, I was a freshman in college in 1980 and a friend knew the kind of music > I liked and asked if I like Joni. I said, "Who?" and he said, "You know: > Help me I think I'm fallin..." Sounded vaguely familiar... So he leant me > the album and I was hooked. It is still my all time favorite, probably my > single favorite album by any artist, though that seems like a tall order for > a single album to fill. I recognized "Help Me" and "Free Man in Paris" from > what little pop airplay they must have had, but the rest was all new, and I > loved it. "People's Parties" and "Down to You" in particular roped me in > and have never yet let me go. Even though I'm no longer in a place in my > life where either of them speak to me first hand, I can relive the feelings > at a listen. How can someone so beautifully capture human emotion? > > I was reminded of my love affair with this album a couple weeks ago when I > pulled it out to listen to in the car on the way to work, and that, in fact, > is what inspired me to do a web search on Joni, whereupon I discovered this > list. > > To ooze a little more on C&S, I once listened to the whole album after > eating LSD alone (strictly a past indulgence which I no longer advocate - > just for the record!) and came to appreciate it yet more if that was > possible. I was struck by the ways the musical themes reinforce the words, > e.g., the way "Help Me" fades off musically unresolved, which (to me) > reinforces the uncertainty of the text ("Help me I think I'm falling / In > love with you..." "We love our lovin' / But not like we love our > freedom..."), etc. And the way the production on "Trouble Child" seems to > isolate the sound in space, especially that muted trumpet, in the same way > that the narrator is isolated. I could go on, but I won't. > > I love all of the albums I've heard, some more than others. I love the > loneliness of "Blue" (which a very good friend sent us on tape while we were > in Europe and which just about defines that sense of adventure and odd > detachment you feel abroad), and the purity of "Ladies of the Canyon", but > "Court and Spark" for me stands as the triumph of the thematic marriage of > music and lyrics. > > Thanks for letting me go on. > > Gordon > "Maybe I'll go to Rome and rent me a grand piano and put some flowers 'round > my room." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:36:04 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch That is an amazing piece of Joni and Northern Exposure trivia. Could it be true? I discovered Northern Exposure in re-runs and have such admiration for the creators of the show. It stands alone as one of the funniest and wisest things ever put on the tube. Paul Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:46:01 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: My first post: Joni's first hold on me In a message dated 00-07-25 17:37:00 EDT, GSVanMetre@bemis.com writes: << Here's a thread I've chosen to pick up: my first exposure to JM. It was C&S, I was a freshman in college in 1980 >> Welcome to the JMDL Gordon ! I just had to reply to your post since my experience was similar, only I was a sophomore in college and it was 1975. I purchased C&S because I was familiar with the airplay that "Help Me" and "Free Man in Paris" recieved. I really liked both of those songs and finally got the LP. I fell in love with the entire album, and the rest is history. Of course history from 2 1/2 years ago, was discovering this great bunch of people who also love Joni. Jimmy Stewart in Ft. Myers, FL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:00:11 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Re: Joni reference in Stephen King novel Helen, Happy almost 34th! As someone in her 39th year I can tell you that there is life after 35, have no fear. BTW, I always look forward to your posts as they are very honest and entertaining. You bring a lot to this list even though you may not realize it. As far as the Stephen King references are concerned, page 14 of the unedited version of The Stand has the line "you turn me off, I'm a radio -" although not a precise quote it is still an implied one. The first thing I thought of was Joni's song. I am a big fan of Mr. King's writing and applaud his recent effort to circumvent the publishing companies by posting his latest work, The Plant, on his website (www.stephenking.com). For $1.00 you can get the beginning of the novel and pay as you read the subsequent chapters. As Mr. King states on his website, if not enough people pay then he will not continue to offer the book online. This story experiment is based on the honor system of you pay for what you take. If the story is pirated then he will not generate enough money to have it online. Could NAPSTER learn a lesson from this? Please discuss... Sue Cameron NP: Clock chiming 9:00 p.m. est ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:09:08 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: brady bunch, new listers Well since I was so young when I discovered Joni I would have died and gone to heaven if she appeared on The Brady Bunch. As it was I made sure that I was home and bathed to watch the Davy Jones episode. Please remember that one man's cheese is another man's gold. Thanks to Jim for the cool questions for new listers to answer and welcome David! Delaware isn't THAT far from Massachusettes so you should inform yourself on the upcoming JoniFest Labor Day weekend. BYT was featured on Sonny and Cher? We have to find a copy of this for the tape tree! I loved S & C as a kid and don't remember seeing BYT segement. Was it a take-off of the Yellow Submarine do you think? Sue Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:10:01 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Northern Exposure Bunch For those of you who wrote to ask me about the Joni/Northern Exposure e-mail I posted yesterday, I did a search of the JMDL database, and the story is at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/9610rg.cfm Here's what I was referring to: "Things were so bad that she actually called up the producers of Northern Exposure, a show she adored, and proposed that they cast her for a guest appearance based on this storyline: Joni Mitchell has quit show business, left all that L.A. craziness behind, and is driving through Cicely, Alaska, on her way to something better." I loved Northern Exposure. In fact, it's the last TV show I watched on a regular basis. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:37:14 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: My first post: Joni's first hold on me I recognized "Help Me" and "Free Man in Paris" from > what little pop airplay they must have had, but the rest was all new, and I > loved it. Actually these two songs got a *lot* of airplay at the time. Especially "Help Me". That song was all over the radio when it was released as a single. I'm glad to see some "Court and Spark" lovers speaking out. It's hard for me to name a favorite among Joni's albums but this one probably comes closest. Notice I said 'favorite' and not 'best'. In my mind, anyway, there's a difference. I was also in college when I first heard this album. I immediately like "Raised on Robbery" because of the close harmony vocal at the beginning which reminded me of the Pointer Sisters or the Andrew Sisters. It also reminded me of Bette Midler's "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy." And since Bette also did "Twisted" that one was another song that attracted me to C&S. In case you couldn't tell, I was struggling with coming out issues at this time! (around 1974) So I finally bought this record for myself after hearing it a few times on other people's stereos. Like you, Gordon, I was completely captivated by it and amazed that anybody could tap into my feelings like that & do it with such skill. And what wonderful music! The depth of it was awe inspiring. And it fit together like clockwork. This is definitely the record that put the hook into me and it's been there ever since. > To ooze a little more on C&S, I once listened to the whole album after > eating LSD alone (strictly a past indulgence which I no longer advocate - > just for the record!) and came to appreciate it yet more if that was > possible. This reminds of the time I was tripping on something or other & all alone in my dorm room. I got into staring into the mirror, getting right up close to my reflection. After awhile I got the strangest sensation that I was looking at....myself - not my reflection but actually looking at me standing about 4 feet away from....me.... But that's another story entirely...'when logic & proportion have fallen sloppy dead...' (and probably a pretty dull one at that) but > "Court and Spark" for me stands as the triumph of the thematic marriage of > music and lyrics. Someone (Pauline Kael maybe) once said that the movie The Godfather was a near perfect marriage of pop entertainment and art. That is what I have always felt about "Court & Spark". It is a thing of great beauty & wonder to me. Maybe more mainstream and not as cerebral as "Hejira" but then again it is an earlier work. I also believe that its commercial success was a fluke. Where Joni was in her development as a musician just happened to coincide with popular tastes at the time. I think every note & word is permanently etched on my brain. All I have to do is close my eyes & think about it to hear it, note for note. It is a very important stopping place in my journey of discovery of music and also of my life. Very close to an all-time favorite. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:56:56 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: a new cover I'm really glad that the singer on whose CD project I will be music director soon is going to do "I Don''t Know Where I Stand." Her name is Ginny Dustin and we will be doing some Swing Era stuff ("Christopher Columbus"), some French songs ("Roses of Picardy" and"La Valse des Lilas" --in English, it's called "Once Upon a Summertime," one of the first Michel Legrand tunes to make it over here) and some "standards" --"I Got Lost in His Arms" and "I'll Never Be the Same,"--a song worthy of being recommended to Joni Mitchell, if she's interested in pursuing a relationship with the older repertoire. DAVID LAHM, grateful, as always, to be spending a lot of each day making music. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:37:20 -0500 From: "Eric Wilcox" Subject: A "Hello" and my Joni experience Well, After lurking a few days-- I've decided to make my first post to the JMDL. You all seem very knowledgeable and welcoming. I hope I can fit right in. My name's Eric. I'm a second-year undergrad at the University of Wisconsin in Madison, studying Art History. I'm 19 years old. I have a wide range of musical tastes-- music is a lot of what drives me as a person. I adore music of all genres. Two favorite artists of mine, though very different artists indeed, are Tori Amos and Ani DiFranco. Both have a deep appreciation and respect for Joni Mitchell. Tori Amos even regularly plays a delightful rendition of "A Case of You" which she calls "one of the most perfect songs ever written." It has always been a practive of mine to take a look at the artists that I enjoy-- and figure out who influenced them. So one day, I decided to check out Joni. I bought "Hits" as well as "Blue" and "Taming the Tiger". I was smiiten from the beginning. I quickly started to accumulate more albums-- though my colleciton is still not complete. Its wonderful for me to be able to discover another piece of a 30-year carreer every time I go to the music store. I'm looking forward to both reading posts to the list and posting myself. Its great that I've found so many people that appreciate the genius that is Joni Mitchell-- I honestly believe that few can rival her songwriting capabilities. I've also done extensive CDr trading-- and would love to be able to obtain some Joni shows. I'm always happy to help with trees, etc. So, enough about me. I just wanted to say hello-- and let everyone know that I'm looking forward to talking with all of you. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:12:26 -0700 From: Steven Barton Subject: Re: Close second to Joni --- Jimmie Spheeris I must also jump in here and spread the word about Jimmie Spheeris. He really is a kindred spirit to Joni. And her influence is very evident in his music. > ...it is currently only available at > rainrecords.com, but through their hard fought efforts will be available in > record stores soon. Actually, his recordings have been available at CDNow for the past year. I recommend everyone go there and sample a few cuts. Specifically, you ought to check out "So Darkly Fall The Shadows" from the Ports of the Heart album to really hear that Joni influence. attempted link: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1992244577/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid=SPHEERIS*JIMMIE/itemid=1235238 "Child From Nowhere," and "It's You They're Dreaming Of" from the same album are two of my favorites. Steve ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #308 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?