From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #306 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, July 24 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 306 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The Arrangement on the 33rd floor ["william" ] Re: # Two [RoseMJoy@aol.com] The "getting stoned" thread ["kerry" ] Re: The Arrangement on the 33rd floor ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Which live album is better:MOI or S&L? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Do you *still* listen to Joni Mitchell? [Jeff Clark ] Calling all artists [Les Irvin ] Joni shirts still available [Les Irvin ] Re: #2 and First Post: Hello All !!! [catman ] Re: #2 and First Post: Hello All !!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Stoned, man ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Flotsam/Jetsam cover art [Mark Domyancich ] Re: listening to joni when stoned ["Kakki" ] Re: listening to joni when stoned [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: C&S review in RS 26 years later [Jeff Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:51:14 +0700 From: "william" Subject: The Arrangement on the 33rd floor The recent biography I read on David Geffen mentions his office on the 33rd floor. Is this what Joni was talking about in The Arrangement? It seems too coincidental not to be. Have a Sunny Sunday. Willy the Shake NP - "Everyday Is A Winding Road" the wonderfully up cover by the artist formerly known as The Artist. All hail to his princely purpleness. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 08:22:23 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: # Two Number two would have to be Joan Baez. OK, so I'm an "Old Folkie" lover from the 60's. Joan was amongst those interviewed by David Crosby for his soon to be aired documentary: Stand And Be Counted. You can read about it by visited her official webpage at http://baez.woz.org/index.html Rose (in NJ, down with a bug) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:26:03 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: The "getting stoned" thread Darice wrote: >>Maybe that's the answer: we should all try listening to DED while playing pool?>> How about listening while stoned AND playing pool?? By the way (this was about 20 years ago), the best music for me while "under the influence" was anything by Bob Marley! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:32:02 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: The Arrangement on the 33rd floor Hello William Possibly, but I know the song was originally commissioned for a film also called 'The Arrangement' starring Kirk Douglas. It was never used and the opening to the film is silent. I saw it late one night on BBC 2 but fell asleep. The opening shots are aerial views of Los Angeles (I think,) or maybe New York and Kirk is a housing developer... Anyone else see the film? Jamie Z - ----- Original Message ----- From: william To: joni mitchell Sent: 23 July 2000 06:51 Subject: The Arrangement on the 33rd floor > The recent biography I read on David Geffen mentions his office on the 33rd > floor. Is this what Joni was talking about in The Arrangement? It seems too > coincidental not to be. Have a Sunny Sunday. > Willy the Shake > > NP - "Everyday Is A Winding Road" the wonderfully up cover by the artist > formerly known as The Artist. All hail to his princely purpleness. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:20:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Dr. Junk the Dentist Man??? << One is Gerde's Folk Festival in NY from 1967. Another is apart of Looking Out For Love, which Bob had offered to the list several months ago. >> This is true, and to clarify, the former is not a "Folk Festival" but a club show from Gerdes Folk City. I had traded for another 1967 show called "Folk City" and got the Gerdes show I already had. To my ears the two versions of Dr. Junk (#1 on Gerdes, #2 on "Looking Out For Love" ) are different versions. Plus, what's REALLY cool is the COVER of that one by Ian Campbell. It's caught and safely ensnared on Volume 8, not officially treed up yet but available... Bob, back from vacation and wading through the weeks' worth... NP: Jaco's Solo, San Fran '79 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:49:33 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Judgments In a message dated 7/23/00 12:05:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merrillb@crisny.org writes: << You're right, Paul I. A group of them, approx 40,OOO, are marching by outside my window as I write! But what are they singing? What is this one composition by the shiny pedophile to which you refer? Or is it perhaps a GG medley? Bruce >> Not to pick on Bruce because his post is one of many that I could refer to in making this comment, but it seems to me that there are quite a few people on this list who are very quick to dismiss the artistic work of people like Gary Glitter or Jackson Browne because of some flawed characteristic or alleged crime. As if Glitter's music cannot be any good anymore because he turned out to be a pedophile. Or none of J. Browne's music would be worthwhile if he really did beat up Daryl Hannah. I suppose these people also refuse to read books by Lewis Carroll or study the psychological theories of Sigmund Freud because they were drug addicts. Maybe they dislike the paintings of Vincent Van Gogh because he was insane. As an analogy, I support the decision to keep Pete Rose out of the Hall of Fame even though he was one of the greatest players of all time, but I also think that while his gambling tarnishes his reputation as a person, it does not take away any one of his 4,286 hits during his career. And Shoeless Joe Jackson SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame now because what he was given was a LIFETIME ban from baseball, not one that stretches into eternity. Oh, and O.J. Simpson STILL was one of the greatest running backs of all-time, even if he did commit murder, too. Anyway, I digress, but the point remains. One thing doesn't really have anything to do with the other. Would the beauty and soul of Joni's music be diminished in your mind if you learned she committed some horrible crime years after she wrote those songs? Or what if you discovered she was just a low-class slut the whole time (like some people would describe Wilt Chamberlain)? Fortunately, she hasn't and probably isn't, but I wonder what prompts people to be so judgmental and diminish the valuable accomplishments of artists and others who turn out to be fallible human beings? Paul I NP: Warren Zevon's "Hasten Down the Wind" performed by Jackson Browne in a 1970s recording from the Main Point on Philadelphia's WMMR. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:49:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Kate,Joni & TNT In a message dated 7/21/00 4:05:27 PM US Central Standard Time, bill@l3r.com writes: << First post,but i feel i know you all.>> Welcome, Bill! I usually don't enjoy it when Bills show up in the mail, but with you I'll make an exception! :~) << finally,how do us UK listers go about getting hold of TNT videos,cds and the like ? >> I can't help on the video front, but I've been known to share some Joni joy across the pond before, and don't mind it a bit! E-mail me back privately and we can work it out, assuming someone else hasn't stepped up and already granted your every wish! :~) Bob NP: (Now Playing) Don's Solo, San Fran '79 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:06:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: First Joni post --(long) << I was brazen enought to attend Ashara's Labor Day Fest last year and so met some of you. As my first post, I tell a little of my intro to Joni. >> Hiya Jeff - I remember you from Ashara's! So I suppose I have to issue a "re-welcome" to you here... And it looks like you've got a lot to say! ;~) So I look forward to more, hope you make it back to Ashara's this year and grace us with your playing! Bob NP: (Now Playing) "Furry Sings The Blues", San Fran '79 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:09:42 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Joni, Laura Nyro and Jimmie Spheeris The NPR interview on Jimmie Spheeris also references Joni making sketches of Jimmie and the band while they were recording. Also references Laura Nyro. http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=7%2F2%2F2000&PrgID=10 go to the bottom of the page and look for 'Jimmie Spheeris' Enjoy, Loree More Jimmie info at www.jimmiespheeris.com and www.rainrecords.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:38:38 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Rock and Roll Part 2 For those who are wondering, the Gary Glitter tune that is so widely and frequently sung in the US is "Rock and Roll Part 2" which is a staple at very many baseball, football, basketball, and other games, professional, college, and high school levels. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:10:00 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Which live album is better:MOI or S&L? << Which one is better,do you think? >> OK, I'm late on this one, but chipping in anyway... The quick answer..."Shadows & Light". The longer answer...MOA is like a good burger cooked on the grill, S&L is a filet sitting beside a lobster soaked in butter. MOA is Shemp, S&L is Curly. Better songs, better players. Bob NP: Bruce, "My Love Will Not Let you Down" (same show) ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 00 14:21:10 EDT From: Jeff Clark Subject: Do you *still* listen to Joni Mitchell? >Whenever I have been in a new relationship over the years and we meet with one of my older friends, the old friend inevitably asks my new friend "So how are you handling the Joni Mitchell thing?" (Can anyone relate?) > Kakki wrote: > Yes, Yes! Also, whenever I see old friends from college, one of the >first things they ask is "are you still into Joni Mitchell?" For a long time I felt conflicted about my Joni-adulation and was a little embarrassed when friends would ask if I still listened to her -- as if it implied total life stagnation and lack of any growth. I was even more troubled when I would read various articles with Joni where she would say things like "It's OK to admire someone but people with obsessions need to get their own shit together"… or they need to get a life! Even with her music I was conflicted. I would read in various articles chronicling her early years things like "When she was learning guitar she bought a Pete Seeger instruction record but quickly scrapped it; she was determined to develop her own style of playing or not play at all." And all I wanted was to play *exactly* like her! And feeling that she could never respect someone who only wanted to copy someone else. I have long since gotten over these issues, however. I consider her such a hugely important artist that she is quite worthy of my unflagging devotion. And there is nothing wrong with copying her style. I have read so many articles with people like Michael Hedges saying that they began their style by studying her music. Her music should be much more widely accessible and documented, especially for those learning guitar. Just like when new piano students study the scales and exercises of Mozart (…okay, I am sounding a little ridiculous here!) But in retrospect, my desire to play like Joni was only a starting point (and what a place to start). Anyway, when old friends now say "Do you still listen to Joni Mitchell?" I proudly and confidently say "Yup. Sure do. SAME OLD STUFF! *********************** Favorite Q&A from Joni in RS, 1991: Interviewer: "Your name always comes up on the list of influences from other musicians. Is it safe to say you're a musician's musician? JM: Sure. Musicians understand it more. Only the Salieri's know who the Mozarts are (chuckles). Jeff NP: New York City traffic (taxi horns and fun arcades) ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:01:21 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: RS 843 reviews C&S 26 years later I am going through all these magazines that I have not read and I come across Issue 843, 22 June 2000, Kid Rock on the cover. On page 134 is the review of that issue's "RS Hall of Fame" album: C&S. Did anyone post about this and I missed it in the Saskatoon news rush? Or am I just being obtuse again? A picture of Joni looking all young and her combo vulnerable but wary look... and if she was ever that young, maybe I was once too, huh? Great review, by the way, and it ends thusly: "In another side of the times, she was defeated the following year in two major Grammy categories by Olivia Newton-John." time out to wince over that... "That's why the criterion of 'standing the test of time' was invented - a standard that C&S will always meet." Then come the recommendations for further listening: Blue, FTR, and HOSL. I am not sure if the proper response to that is: (a) What? Not Heijra? or (b) What? Not Dog Eat Dog? (the Rev) Vince By the way, I note that in this issue, Ween has the #2 College Album position... nice to know they are still around! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:23:15 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Calling all artists Joniphiles - The new "artists" section of the JMDL website needs you! If you are an artist (of whatever type) and would like your own page on the site, simply head here for the details: http://www.jmdl.com/artists/index.cfm Right now, there are only two entries - I'm hoping for many, many more. Also, I'm looking for someone to help design the artists entry page. It sorely needs some help from a real artist (of which I certainly ain't :-). Let me know if you are interested. Thanks, Les NP - Equation "Sister" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:51:50 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Joni shirts still available Joniphiles - There are still a few Joni shirts available. Details here: http://www.jmdl.com/shirts.cfm Les NP: John Martyn "The Message" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:12:22 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: #2 and First Post: Hello All !!! Welcome kevin. i was wondering which album LODC was. Ladies of de Canyon? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:53:18 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: listening to joni when stoned Digesting I want to say, Don't worry about Kakki, Paul. She grew up doubly blessed: a 1. music slut and 2. in Los Angeles. :) She enjoys it plenty! (Sorry Kakki. I know you don't need me to fight your battles for ya.) Kakki said, I traveled through the 60s sans drugs and therefore am the only one who was both there and remembers it. ;-D IVPAUL42 said, And the only one who didn't enjoy it, too, I'll bet! All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:01:29 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: #2 and First Post: Hello All !!! << I was aware of Big Yellow Taxi, and is it at all possible that I saw her do this on Sat Night Live? >> Welcome Kevin! That was a great first post, no need to apologize at all!! As far as I know Joni has NEVER done SNL, but I ain't the final authority. << I Had A King was as familiar to me as the national anthem yet I to this day have NO IDEA how I could possibly have known this song.>> It's possible you heard it contained in "Ways of the Wind" by PM Dawn. Your tastes seem pretty broad...or (speaking of broads) maybe you're an Adrienne Barbeau fan. She did a remake of it which some of us have "enjoyed"...;~) Thanks too for your personal "discovering Joni" discography...an interesting path indeed. I would challenge you to re-listen to those that you weren't originally taken with, if you're like me, you'll allow the love that many here feel for those who love those records to permeate your soul as they have mine... Bob NP (Now Playing): Stones, "Dear Doctor" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:45:31 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Stoned, man The beauty of THC is that one just wants to sit still. I found that, at one time, I had the patience to listen to music for hours at a time. Now, even when I have lots of time on my hands, I do not have the patience. Within 3 minutes, I'm rehashing some argument in my mind, or jumping up to change tape trees or something. I value THC for the way it shuts down the worrying and distractions. I have a low tolerance for the stuff though. Two hits and I'm high for hours. More than that, and I'm catatonic and paranoid of my own shadow. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati np: Hopelessly Hoping ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:49:03 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Flotsam/Jetsam cover art Hi guys- I have been waiting for Les to get the cover art up on the tape trading page but no word yet. I'm having some trouble with the FTP and can't put them there myself (it's Windows... it hates people like me!) The link to the page will be here soon, hopefully: http://www.jmdl.com/trading/jcard/index.htm Thanks again to Steve for creating them and Bob for putting it all together! NP-The Slip, Strings of Love - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:11:17 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: listening to joni when stoned I've been away most of the weekend and am just catching up on all the posts. Jim wrote: > Don't worry about Kakki, Paul. She grew up doubly >blessed: a 1. music slut and 2. in Los Angeles. :) She >enjoys it plenty! (Sorry Kakki. I know you don't need me to >fight your battles for ya.) Thank you, Jim, I don't mind a little help with my battles! ;-) > IVPAUL42 said, > And the only one who didn't enjoy it, too, I'll bet! Paul should know by my constant blathering of love for 60s music on the list just how memorable those times were for me! Not to take away at all from the real strife and tragedies which occurred during that decade (don't think I need to recite them) I loved the 60s then and now and hold many wonderful memories of them and the times I had. My parents did NOT enjoy them and I know many younger than I (Gen X'ers) who tend to regard them with much disdain ("filthy, idealistic, drugged-out, stupid hippies and anarchists") but I saw the idealism as beautiful and feel that it was a true time of renaissance and overbursting creativity on every level. Rose-colored glasses? - I don't care - much everlasting good came out of that decade. Kakki NP: Jonatha Brooke live in N.J. 6/4/00 - So Much Mine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:51:01 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: listening to joni when stoned In a message dated 7/23/00 10:28:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << Paul should know by my constant blathering of love for 60s music on the list just how memorable those times were for me! >> Yes, of course, I know, Kakki. It just seemed like a tease line that had to be said. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 00 01:59:30 EDT From: Jeff Clark Subject: RE: C&S review in RS 26 years later Vince Lavieri wrote: >On page 134 is the review of that issue's "RS Hall of Fame" album: C&S. > Did anyone post about this and I missed it in the Saskatoon news rush? > Or am I just being obtuse again? > A picture of Joni looking all young and her combo vulnerable but wary > look... and if she was ever that young, maybe I was once too, huh? > Great review, by the way, and it ends thusly: > "In another side of the times, she was defeated the following year in > two major Grammy categories by Olivia Newton-John." > time out to wince over that... I quickly honed in on this Vince. Not sure if it was posted, cause I wasn't posting then. But I am a C&S fanatic -- I consider it one of pops greatest albums and was impressed. Also a couple of years ago (TTT article) RS referred to C&S as the "gold standard of literate songwriting" :-) RS has actually been somewhat good to Joni over the years-- almost all of her albums in the 70's were met with long, glowing, thoughtful, first page reviews -- too bad they had to mess it up by drawing that broken-heart chart that hurt her (and voting HOSL worst album title). Jeff Jeff "That's why the criterion of 'standing the test of time' was invented - a standard that C&S will always meet." ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #306 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?