From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #294 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, July 14 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 294 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Stupid Girl?/Lead Balloon/River ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni [catman ] Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni [catman ] Re: Remasters [bohodan ] Re: Both Sides Now & The JOHNSTONS [philipf@tinet.ie] Re:Synchronicity, etc. [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Interesting Buckingham/Nicks Joni connection [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Impossible Dreamer ["Pat Post" ] Re:Synchronicity, etc. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] CD tree [Steve Polifka ] A cat joke [MDESTE1@aol.com] Beale Street [Merk54@aol.com] Re: cool water [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: CD tree [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Beale Street [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Stupid Girl?/Lead Balloon/River [Kenny Grant ] Jazz vs. Blues [Merk54@aol.com] Joni litho for sale ["kerry" ] Re: unmasking don juan [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Stupid Girl?/Lead Balloon/River ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni ["Kakki" ] Re: CD tree [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ] Judy Collins on RoseAnne ["Michael Paz" ] Re: <.BEST JONI INTERPRETERS [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Musicians and artists - sjc [Merk54@aol.com] Both Sides Now & The JOHNSTONS [simon@icu.com] Re: Musicians and artists - ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Both Sides Now & The JOHNSTONS ["Mark or Travis" ] Beale Street [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Donate Hi-End Cassette Deck? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Hi to the lurker (it's a small, small world) ["C.A. Starkey" ] Re: Furry Synchronicity [Jim and/or Jay ] Synchronicity and StarArt [Merk54@aol.com] Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:18:26 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Stupid Girl?/Lead Balloon/River Hi Kenny, you wrote: > Also, any comment on this recent thread. I was long under >the impression that Lead Balloon was about David Geffen. >There were many threads after the release of TTT, and my >recollection was that the consensus was that Geffen > was the object of Lead Balloon. I remember those discussions - people thought it was most likely to be either Jann Wenner or Geffen. I was aware that Joni has a grudge against both but thought it was Geffen mainly because of the repeated lyric line "it's his town." When Geffen was swiftly rising in wealth, power and influence a few years back, he was written about frequently in local L.A. newspaper and magazine articles. I remember the ubiquitous phrase "it's his town" used in several of them for awhile, usually in the context of how powerful he had become. Also, I wonder about the lyric "I had to ask him for a helping hand" - it seems more likely Joni would be (probably reluctantly) having to ask a favor of Geffen rather than Wenner because Geffen was more directly tied into the actual machinery of the music biz and she'd been on his label. But I trust Stephen's statement on this, too. And maybe in New York they say "it's (Wenner's) town" ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:35:00 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni Mark or Travis wrote: > > Wasn't there this nasty looking devil doll in this movie? What > Karen Black > > is to Carly Simon, Susan Sarandon is to JM. > > -jan > > Careful what you say about Carly, Jan! There are those of us here who > love & revere her. > I still don't know what the above quote mean and didn't know it could be insulting! I took it to mean that karen looks like Carly and susan like joni but that doesn't fit. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:39:40 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni Well I don't see why that would be controversial. It makes sense. People who interpret the world the same way would get on. Relationships between those that don't see the world the same way are diffiuclt. Kakki wrote: > > > > > James, having also come from a very wealthy > and prominent east coast family, ultimately related better to Carly on some > level. > > Putting on my bullet proof suit now ;-) > > Kakki - -- Is it OK to use the AM radio after noon? http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html http://www.tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:23:48 -0700 (PDT) From: bohodan Subject: Re: Remasters Thanks Bob, and j yep, it does. (seems to be the case with quite a lot of artists that only the 70's get remastered by the record co.; the reason being I guess isthat those records have 'classic' status by now and tend to be more likely to sell, as opposed to something like 'Chalkmark'. The 1st HDCD I saw here was C+S as you might expect..) Know what you mean :), I've still got boxes full with tapes -even in mono- that I just slap on a little saisho player - just as memorable :) - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < non > AAD) - I keep seeing imports @ record fairs but have > yet to see the remasters I've heard about...>> > > I have seen both HOSL & Hejira in HDCD format. Not > sure if that answers your question as I'm NOT an > audiophile. > > To this day some of the most memorable music I've > heard came out of little cheap speakers in my Dad's > car and my sister's GE "Wildcat" record player! :~) > > Bob > > NP: Sheryl Crow, "We Do What We Can" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:43:54 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Both Sides Now & The JOHNSTONS Simon wrote: > sorry Philip, > > but this information isn't quite correct. > > The Johnstons LP "GIVE A DAMN" containing "Urge For Going" as well > as "Both Sides Now" (Transatlantic #TRA-184) was recorded between > august and november 1968. > > the Judy Collins LP "WILDFLOWERS" was *released* in november 1967. > > in april 1968 "Dave Van Ronk & The Hudson Dusters" (a self-titled LP) > was released. it contained both "Chelsea Morning" as well as "Clouds" > Dave's title for "Both Sides Now". > Simon, thanks for the great back up information as ever. But I'm sticking with The Johnstons as the first band to record it. If, as you say Van Ronk had a band in tow, then I suppose it's down to whether you consider him a solo artist or not. Sorry I can't help it. I don't give up easy in music trivia contests. :) Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:48:47 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re:Synchronicity, etc. Then the amazing thing happened. I crossed the tracks, and the street beyond them and when I looked up at the street sign I was on Beale Street. "Beale Street?" I thought, "isn't that the street in Furry Sings The Blues?" Way too kewl! What a great find! I wonder who Old Furry really was? I'll have to listen to that song today. What comes to mind is a bio on Robert Johnson I happened to find a link to while searching through Lauranero.net. For anyone who is a big Robert Johnson fan, as I am, this is a good read. http://www.soul-patrol.com/soul/johnson.htm Rose ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:25:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Interesting Buckingham/Nicks Joni connection <> Detective Kakki is on the case! Smells like sweet success to me! Could be yet another jewel in your crown Kakki! Bob NP: The Cure, "39" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:44:14 EDT From: "Pat Post" Subject: Impossible Dreamer I always think of John Lennon when I hear this song, too. But MLK jr. is a famous dreamer as well. I didn't think of him though, in relation to this song, until I read it on this list. Pat P. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:53:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re:Synchronicity, etc. <> Old Furry was Furry Lewis, a blues singer retired in Memphis. Jenny mentioned in the song was his neighbor. I was always under the impression that she was a daughter or family member until I heard Joni sing "Jenny's there, his neighbor, for her kindness and Furry's beer"... Paul, I enjoyed your story too but was surprised that you hadn't identified it with Memphis. She does sing "down & out in Memphis, Tennessee, old Furry sings the blues.." That's pretty darn specific! :~) And Beale St. to me is as famous as Bourbon St. Anyway, I hope I don't sound like a picky-ass...I loved your synchro tale! Bob NP: The Cure, "If Only Tonight We Could Sleep" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:13:29 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: CD tree Hi everyone! I need to thank the 'Burner King' Bob for this wonderful tree, and asking my involvement! And it sounds f*****g fantastic! Special thanks go to Pearl for sending me some fine fine pics of Joni on the Rosie show. (Thanks Pearl! I will be sending your copy soon!) I have a suggestion about the art... people who have printers could just email me privately, and I could send it (Jpegs) to them. Or does anyone have a page where we could download them to be retrieved by others? Let me know! Take care, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:14:04 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: A cat joke Out For The Night A couple was going out for the evening. They'd gotten ready - all dolled up, cat put out, etc. The taxi arrived, and as the couple walked out of their home, the cat shoots back into the house. Not wanting their often rowdy cat to have free run of the house while they were out, the husband went back upstairs to chase the cat out. The wife, not wanting it known that the house would be empty, explained to the taxi driver "He's just going upstairs to say goodbye to my mother." A few minutes later, the husband got into the cab, and said "Sorry I took so long" he says, "Stupid old thing was hiding under the bed and I had to poke her with a coat hanger to get her to come out!" - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:31:23 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Beale Street << From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Synchronicity, etc. Well, in light of the Paprika Plains, Black Crow and other magical stories of finding Joni's music intersecting with life, I'll tell my story of "Furry Sings the Blues" coming to life before my eyes.... >> Quite a few years ago, I spent about 2 months in Memphis, and during that time, I only made it down to Beale Street once (I was working very long hours). One night, a beautiful summer night (there's that weather reference again) a group of about 20 of us went down there, hoping to hear some jazz, and drink some beers, and let of a little steam. While I thought it would be cool to see the place that Joni talked about in the song, I wasn't prepared for the impact it would have on me. Everybody was scurrying, trying to decide which club to go into to have a drink, while I decided to sneak off by myself to see the sights. Just as Paul stated, it was all there - the pawn shops, the park with W.C Handy... but the thing that got me the most was the Daisy's. I'm kind of embarassed to admit this, but for some reason I never understood what that part of the lyrics meant. "There's a double bill murder at the New Daisy, the old girl's silent across the street, silent, waiting for the wreckers beat, silent, staring at her stolen name". If the phrase 'Doh!' had been around back then, I'm sure all of Memphis would have been treated to a nice loud one. There in front of me were the two Daisy's, the original one dark and boarded up, a ghost from the past, cast aside for the 'new and improved' New Daisy. I'm sure had I came upon this without ever hearing the song, I would have thought nothing of it. Everyday they tear down old buildings to replace them with something 'new and improved' - it's no big deal. But seeing this, and reflecting on the song, I started to grieve for this old building. In it's hey day, it was probably the place to be, filled with people, and music and life. But just like Furry, it's time had come and gone, and just like Furry it had to sit there and watch as the young upstarts, the next big thing, the latest and greatest, slowly pushed them aside - cursed by memories of what was, and what will never be again. It's the first time in my life that a building ever broke my heart. And then, just like Joni in For Free, turning her back on the street musician, the signal changed, and I, too, slowly made my way across the street to get myself a cold beer, a touch of some live jazz, and a friend to talk to. But I entered that bar with a few more gray hairs, and an understanding that I didn't have before. Jack Now playing - Nothing - A moment of silence for the old Daisy, and all she represents ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:36:11 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: cool water i was recently given a copy of chalk mark by a friend and i am sitting here listening to it and i'm thinkin...son of a bitch..that's willie nelson singing there...and sure enough...it's willie nelson. beat of black wings is in my top five joni songs but i never had this cd, i had misses. so it was a very nice gift indeed to hear he context of the album. it's a good album and that is two new ones for me this month...miles of aisles and chalk mark. patrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:48:36 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: CD tree We could put them on the tape tree j-cards page on the JMDL I designed a while back. I think .tiff format would be best - jpegs turn out really pixely. Let me know, Steve if you want me to put them up there. NP-Joni, Born To Take The Highway At 8:13 AM -0500 7/13/00, Steve Polifka wrote: >Hi everyone! > I need to thank the 'Burner King' Bob for this wonderful tree, and >asking my involvement! > And it sounds f*****g fantastic! Special thanks go to Pearl for sending >me some fine fine pics of Joni on the Rosie show. (Thanks Pearl! I will be >sending your copy soon!) > I have a suggestion about the art... people who have printers could >just email me privately, and I could send it (Jpegs) to them. Or does >anyone have a page where we could download them to be retrieved by others? >Let me know! >Take care, > > >Steve - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:26:05 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Beale Street In a message dated 7/13/00 10:38:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Merk54@aol.com writes: << One night, a beautiful summer night (there's that weather reference again) a group of about 20 of us went down there, hoping to hear some jazz, >> The last time I was in Memphis, and not too long ago, walking with my feet 10 feet off of Beale Street, you would go looking to hear some BLUES, the music that made Beale Street famous. Since when did it become a jazz alley? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:03:26 +0000 From: Kenny Grant Subject: Re: Stupid Girl?/Lead Balloon/River Hey Kakki sweetie, thanks for responding to this. Being on the other coast I never knew that "it's his town" was a official tagline associated with Geffen, tho I suspected it cause I'm aware of his huge wealth. Also, the line about the "helping hand" and an interview in wich Joan says that Geffen froze her income for a time cause her record sales were not covering their costs - and she'd received advances - and if it wasn't for the fact that she never sold her catalog and by retainining the rights to that at least had some income from songwriting... As for them saying "it's his town" about JW of RS in NYC Stephen would know better than me, living on his block, but there's so much other wealth (Wall St./foreign/inherited etc etc) here in NYC that it's mindboggling - I don't really think JW is that high up there. Truthfully, I never heard NYC being referred to as anyone's town. If anyone, it would be Mayor Guilliani - possibly Donald Trump's name has come up in that context over the years. Best, -Kenny Kakki wrote: > Hi Kenny, you wrote: > > > Also, any comment on this recent thread. I was long under >the impression > that Lead Balloon was about David Geffen. >There were many threads after > the release of TTT, and my >recollection was that the consensus was that > Geffen > > was the object of Lead Balloon. > > I remember those discussions - people thought it was most likely to be > either Jann Wenner or Geffen. I was aware that Joni has a grudge against > both but thought it was Geffen mainly because of the repeated lyric line > "it's his town." > When Geffen was swiftly rising in wealth, power and influence a few years > back, he was written about frequently in local L.A. newspaper and magazine > articles. I remember the ubiquitous phrase "it's his town" used in several > of them for awhile, usually in the context of how powerful he had become. > Also, I wonder about the lyric "I had to ask him for a helping hand" - it > seems more likely Joni would be (probably reluctantly) having to ask a favor > of Geffen rather than Wenner because Geffen was more directly tied into the > actual machinery of the music biz and she'd been on his label. But I trust > Stephen's statement on this, too. And maybe in New York they say "it's > (Wenner's) town" ;-) > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:10:42 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Jazz vs. Blues Paul I wrote "The last time I was in Memphis, and not too long ago, walking with my feet 10 feet off of Beale Street, you would go looking to hear some BLUES, the music that made Beale Street famous. Since when did it become a jazz alley?" Yikes! Sorry about that, I guess I had jazz on the mind, with all this talk of Mingus going on. Obviously, I meant to say blues instead of jazz. That's what I get for posting in the morning before my first cup of caffiene! Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:52:33 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni litho for sale I have an extra unsigned litho from Joni's concert in Chicago and would like to sell it. It's the front view cover of BSN and I would like to sell it for the price paid, $50.00. If you are interested, please e-mail me privately. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:55:36 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: unmasking don juan It just occured to me that I called it the wrong thing... it's Mescalito! (I am sorry, Don Juan...) :D A couple of days ago I wrote: >My guess would be Don Juan Matus. I never finished reading "The >Teachings of Don Juan" but what I did read I could see some >correlations between Carlos' peyote visions in the desert and the >lyrics in DJRD. I might have to join the all Joni list if this >thread turns into one about Carlos Casteneda! :D - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:39:40 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Stupid Girl?/Lead Balloon/River Hi Kenny, > thanks for responding to this. Being on the other coast I >never knew that "it's his town" was a official tagline >associated with Geffen, tho I suspected it cause I'm aware of >his huge wealth. Well, it's kind of funny because Geffen only enjoyed this reference in the press for a few years. Now I rarely seem to read anything about him and when I do, it's somewhat negative. "Everything comes and go" - especially in Tinsel Town! ;-) > As for them saying "it's his town" about JW of RS in NYC >Stephen would know better than me, living on his block, but >there's so much other wealth (Wall St./foreign/inherited etc >etc) here in NYC that it's mindboggling - I don't really think >JW is that high up there. The more I think about it L.A. could be JW's "town" in the sense of Rolling Stone's power in the music and entertainment biz. JW is also originally from California and went to a rpiavte school in my hometown and then, I think, on to UC Berkeley and used to spend a lot of time here. I'm going to trust Stephen on this one. What I wonder now is if she really threw a glass of Tequila on him, heehee. This also has made me think that, in a way, the high fame and stature of her "enemies" sort of underscores her own greatness ;-) >Truthfully, I never heard NYC being referred to as anyone's >town. If anyone, it would be Mayor Guilliani - possibly >Donald Trump's name has come up in that context over the >years. I agree - New York is just too big and diverse that it would be hard to pinpoint any one "big guy", although Trump does seem in recent years to be the media poster boy for "Mr. New York" ;-) Kakki NP: Joni - Cotton Avenue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:48:44 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni catman wrote: > Well I don't see why that would be controversial. It makes >sense. People who interpret the world the same way would >get on. Relationships between those that don't see the world >the same way are diffiuclt. I feared that my response might have been a little too shallow and not well stated. I do suspect that their east coast sensibilities and culture would have been have a strong common point, plus the fact that both their families are well-entrenched on the east coast - it may have been more compatible to their goals of settling down and raising their family and all. I've read so much about James being close to his brothers and sister (all located on the east coast) and Carly is very close to her sisters, too. Just speculating here, but it seems Joni and her extended "family" was pretty rooted in the west at that point. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:15:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: CD tree Thanks for the input, Mark. I have seen those files and they're great! I just wanted to throw in that as always I will be labeling the CD's themselves. Steve designed 2 awesome labels for me. F&J 1 has a pic of Joni with her cap pulled over her eyes, from the '83 tour booklet I'm guessing. Anyway, guaranteed to raise a smile. F&J 2 is Joni & Rosie, Rosie holding up BSN, and on Erskine's Bass Drum, the words "Flotsam & Jetsam Vol. 2" Really cool! Bob NP: Tim Curry, "Charge It" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:50:44 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Subject: Judy Collins on RoseAnne Hello All- I wonder if anyone caught Judy on the RoseAnne show the other night. She sang a new song that she wrote and talked to Roseanne for a long time. They seem to have such a good time together and both complimented each other alot. I wonder if that was a repeat cause there was no mention of the Episcopal Fiasco. I am also an Episcopalian (thanks to mom) and was married by an Episcopal priest, but when I go to church now I attend a Catholic Church in my neighbourhood simply because I don't care for the Episcopal Church there and I like the Catholic one (which is a little strange I admit). I have never been to crazy about religion and the division of Christ amongst all these different denominations. I have always been a Christian (born again, but NOT recently always as I said before) and I am comfortable worshiping the lord with whoever and whereever I might be. My business takes me to alot of different churches and I find that the ones that have less politics, more music and love are the ones where it feels better. I do feel the Episcopal Church (small as it is) should take the position to support all of our brothers and sisters regardless of everything. Michael (getting off my soap box now) NP-Windowpane-Ben Monder (this guy sounds alot like Metheny Group at times and then some) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:09:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: <.BEST JONI INTERPRETERS << I could go on, but we are still limited to five, aren't we?? >> Well, Michael, you've gotta add your version of Hejira to THAT list, although I don't know what you'd take off! Particularly your N.O. version with Beth Patterson and the Michael Paz Band!! Bob NP: Sara Craig, "This Flight Tonight" (Live) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:12:50 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Musicians and artists - sjc John in Sydney asked if anyone knew about other musicians that doubled as artists, and if there were any books on the subject. I own a book called StarArt that I know is out of print, which has sections on 5 or 6 musicians, including Ms. Mitchell. Joni's section contains a lot of her early marker drawings, as well as paintings from the Mingus era. Also featured is Cat Stevens, Ron Wood (Rolling Stones)and one or two others (maybe Jim Keltner). This is a pretty cool book, and well worth picking if you ever stumble across a copy. Not in this book, but other musicians who dapple in art (but not very seriously) would include Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Harry Nilson. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:52:15 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Both Sides Now & The JOHNSTONS Philip, not to belabor the issue but ... you may have missed the point. i posted: "the Judy Collins LP WILDFLOWERS was released in Nov.'67." WILDFLOWERS contains Judy's version of Joni's song "Both Sides Now". the Johnstons LP w/"Both Sides, Now" wasn't recorded until 1968, late in 1968 at that. what you're suggesting is not even possible. 1st Judy, 2nd? Dave and then (possibly) the Johnstons 3rd. BTW: speaking of Dave Van Ronk, whether he recorded as a solo or with a band is irrelevant. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- > > > >Simon wrote: > >> sorry Philip, >> >> but this information isn't quite correct. >> >> The Johnstons LP "GIVE A DAMN" containing "Urge For Going" as well >> as "Both Sides Now" (Transatlantic #TRA-184) was recorded between >> august and november 1968. >> >> the Judy Collins LP "WILDFLOWERS" was *released* in november 1967. >> >> in april 1968 "Dave Van Ronk & The Hudson Dusters" (a self-titled LP) >> was released. it contained both "Chelsea Morning" as well as "Clouds" >> Dave's title for "Both Sides Now". >> > > >Simon, thanks for the great back up information as ever. But I'm >sticking with The Johnstons as the first band to record it. If, as >you say Van Ronk had a band in tow, then I suppose it's down to whether >you consider him a solo artist or not. Sorry I can't help it. I don't >give up easy in music trivia contests. :) > >Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:15:29 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Musicians and artists - > Not in this book, but other musicians who dapple in art (but not very seriously) would include Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Harry Nilson. > > Jack This reminds of an interview Joni did a couple of decades ago. She was talking about being at some kind of music biz party somewhere & she was talking to Bobby D about painting. He asked her if she used white when she paints & she thought 'Aha! The boy has been taking lessons!' or something like that. Dylan then asked Ms. Siquomb what she would paint if she were going to paint the scene they were in at that moment. She said she would paint (among other things) the dancers on the dance floor and the mirror ball above them. Dylan pointed to a coffee mug & said 'I'd paint this cup.' In a bit of synchronicity with the Paprika Plains thread, I always thought this incident might have inspired some of the lyrics for that song. You see that mirrored ball begin to Sputter lights & spin Dizzy on the dancers Geared to changing rhythms Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:19:07 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Both Sides Now & The JOHNSTONS > > BTW: speaking of Dave Van Ronk, whether he recorded as a solo or > with a band is irrelevant. I believe Philip's original assertion was that The Johnstons were the first *band* to record the song. Band as opposed to solo artist. Therefore, whether Dave Van Ronk recorded as a solo or a band *is* relevant to his point. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:38:52 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni I do suspect that their east coast sensibilities and culture would > have been have a strong common point, plus the fact that both their families > are well-entrenched on the east coast - it may have been more compatible to > their goals of settling down and raising their family and all. I've read so > much about James being close to his brothers and sister (all located on the > east coast) and Carly is very close to her sisters, too. Just speculating > here, but it seems Joni and her extended "family" was pretty rooted in the > west at that point. I don't know much about James. I had no idea he came from a prominent family. Thanks for the info, Kakki! I think you're probably on to something here! Carly's was pretty dysfunctional from what she's said. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:00:24 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Beale Street If you can't make it to Memphis, care to take a tour of Beale Street where Old Furry sang the Blues? http://www.memphisguide.com/Beale/Beale.html Rose (in New Jersey) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:03:04 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Donate Hi-End Cassette Deck? My dream is to be able to dub all three cassettes in Tape Tree #1 & #2 at once. That way, I can get this cool collectible stuff out to many, many more JMDLers. You see, every time I post an offer, I get about 3 responses. I can't make 3 sets per day so I post my offer when my backlog gets small. With three cassette decks, (Nakamichi, Tandberg, Revox) I could probably eventually catch up with the demand. Can you imagine posting an offer and no one responding? Can you imagine successfully fulfilling all of the requests? Then I would know that I've done my part. If you can help, please respond by private email. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:35:06 -0400 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Hi to the lurker (it's a small, small world) See, I told you I was on the Joni list! Hope you write back soon. Carol PS-the person knows who he is. yeah.yeah.yeah. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:43:15 -0400 From: "Alice Sebrell" Subject: Top 5 today Here are my top five: Hejira For the Roses Turbulent Indigo HOSL Night Ride Home and: Woman of Heart and Mind Coyote Strange Boy Barandgrill A Case of You (new version) Alice (lurking in Asheville) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:11:30 -0400 From: Jim and/or Jay Subject: Re: Furry Synchronicity Hi. D.J. here. PPeterson's post about Furry Sings the Blues (FSTB) evokes a memory for me of a similar discovery. My partner Jim and I took a Southern tour in 1992 or so through Arkansas, North Carolina and Tennessee. Jim was born in Arkansas (Pangburn, outside of Searcy) and his 93 year old grandmother still lived on the farm where he'd spent his first five years. We flew into Nashville, rented a car, and traveled to various towns and cities over the next two weeks, spending a night or two in each place, including a visit to his grandmother. I brought along some cassette tapes including, of course, Hejira, since it deals so much with traveling. Being the "D.J." that I am, I often would set up a song to play based on who we were visiting or where we were going. As we crossed the bridge over the Mississippi into Memphis, I decided to push in Hejira and "Coyote"'s upbeat tune led us into the city. We parked shortly on the other side of the bridge and journeyed over to Mud River - a cement, scaled down version of the Mississippi River popular with tourists and kind of fascinating in its way. On the tram ride back to the mainland, we witnessed what ranks as one of the top two sunsets I have ever seen. I had never seen the color green in a sunset before, yet there it was! Meanwhile, back in the tram, I heard the automated overhead voice say, "...and while you're in Memphis, don't forget to visit world famous Beale Street, home of the Blues." Like PPeterson, I hadn't even made the connection with FSTB and the city we were in. My eyes sparkled and I told Jim we'd have to go check it out. The next morning we got directions there and as we turned onto the street, I popped FSTB into the cassette player. Joni sings "Handy's cast in bronze" and, right on cue, we come upon the statue, "...standing in a little park with his trumpet in his hand." I was so excited! I bounded out of the car, snapped a few pictures - the statue, the New Daisy - and squealed with joy. After seeing PPeterson's post it makes me wonder how many other people learned of Beale Street first through Joni and then, through serendipity or pilgrimage, made their way to that little park. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:59:00 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Synchronicity and StarArt This is almost getting wierd, but after responding to a question about a book on musicians who are also artists, I check on Ebay for all things Joni, and there's and ad for StarArt (Gee, I should make a note of what the weather is like!). I haven't seen a copy of this for sale in years, and a few hours after mentioning it in a post, it shows up for sale. All that being said, I'm not sure it's worth $100, but if you have the cash to spare, and are a collector of rare Joni things, this is probably a cool acquisition. For those interested in the books details, I copied this from the ad: Chesher, Debby (editor) Starart Starart Productions Ltd. (c) 1979 Oblong Hardcover/Dustjacket; includes artwork by famous musicians: Joni Mitchell, John Mayall, Cat Stevens, Klau Voormann, Ron Wood, CommanderCody CB101428 ISBN: 0-9690053-0-x Jack Now Playing - Tom Waits - The house where nobody lives ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:35:41 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni/Carly, Carly/Joni Mark wrote: > I don't know much about James. I had no idea he came >from a prominent family. Thanks for the info, Kakki! I think >you're probably on to something here! Carly's was pretty >dysfunctional from what she's said. From my off the head recall (and I welcome clarification) James' father came from old Carolina money and went north to Harvard and became a prominent doctor. His wife was from old New England money and after they married and had children, they maintained fairly grand estates in both places. Hence the Carolina and Martha's Vineyard/Mass. connections. Carly, of course, has the Simon and Schuster background and I have read her memoirs of the dysfunction in her family. Although, those memoirs, I recall, were regarded by many readers and reviewers as very compassionate and showed the very tight closeness that endured among them all despite the dysfunction. When I was the young teenage girl and James had gone off with Carly rather than Joni, I developed a bit of prejudice against her. But for years since I have read nothing but wonderful things about Carly and I came to think very highly of her. She consistently has shown herself to be a very real, compassionate and loving individual. Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #294 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?