From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #289 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, July 11 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 289 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Hi from the Bay Area in California ["Adrian T Chang" ] Re: Penny's S'toon post - ps ["P. Henry" ] Ronee Blakely and songs of my youth [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Hi from the Bay Area in California [Janet Hess ] Re: Hi from the Bay Area in California [catman ] unmasking don juan [Michael Bird ] Re: unmasking don juan [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Joni's friend, website report, favorites ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: unmasking don juan [Mark Domyancich ] "Russian on Prozac?" [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Songs For & About JONI (The List) ["Brian Workman" ] Re: HAWAII JMDL'ER INFO, PLEASE VLJC [FMYFL@aol.com] RS - article on Joni's romances [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #382 [Kardinel@aol.com] RE: "Russian on Prozac?" ["Nikki Johnson" ] Hi ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: SJC, Laura Nyro [Heather ] Re: unmasking don juan ["Mark or Travis" ] Both Sides Now & The JOHNSTONS [simon@icu.com] Stupid Girl? (Not Joni) [simon@icu.com] Re: SJC, Laura Nyro ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #383 [StDoherty@aol.com] JONI INTERPRETERS [dave fairall / beth miller ] Joni & Judy [leslie@torchsongs.com] Re: "Russian on Prozac?" [Kenny Grant ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #288 [Hejira924@aol.com] Re: Mingus the album [RandyRemote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:40:25 -0700 From: "Adrian T Chang" Subject: Hi from the Bay Area in California Hello Everyone, I'm new to the list and figured I'd drop my first email to say "hi" to everyone. So I'm Adrian, most of my friends call me Bunny, as in Bunny Boy, Bunny Blue, Baby Bunny and whatever else anyone can think of. Call me whatever you want. I'm open. About me, I'm 17, I'm gay and from the bay area in California. By the way, the "I'm Gay" part isn't me trying to brutally throw that on you, I just thought I'd mention it. Anyways, It's hard for me to find ANYONE my age or even any age in my area that appreciates Joni as much as I do(besides my parents, but they were hippies so...). My boyfriend hates her musick(though he respects her as a artist and a musician, he just really dislikes her style). So its a little dissapointing that I don't really have any friends that I can randomly chat about Joni with, without having to explain who she is. SO i figured I'd join the list and meet some other "groupies and fanatics" like me. I've been listening to her since I was a baby and took up guitar when I was 10 because I wanted to be like her. So thats all I can think of to write. I better go, its really late. Well, hopefully, I'll meet all of you later. Love and peace, Adrian Send FREE Greetings for Father's Day--or any day! Click here: http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/fathers_day.rdct ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 02:40:35 -0700 From: "Adrian T Chang" Subject: Hi from the Bay Area in California Hello Everyone, I'm new to the list and figured I'd drop my first email to say "hi" to everyone. So I'm Adrian, most of my friends call me Bunny, as in Bunny Boy, Bunny Blue, Baby Bunny and whatever else anyone can think of. Call me whatever you want. I'm open. About me, I'm 17, I'm gay and from the bay area in California. By the way, the "I'm Gay" part isn't me trying to brutally throw that on you, I just thought I'd mention it. Anyways, It's hard for me to find ANYONE my age or even any age in my area that appreciates Joni as much as I do(besides my parents, but they were hippies so...). My boyfriend hates her musick(though he respects her as a artist and a musician, he just really dislikes her style). So its a little dissapointing that I don't really have any friends that I can randomly chat about Joni with, without having to explain who she is. SO i figured I'd join the list and meet some other "groupies and fanatics" like me. I've been listening to her since I was a baby and took up guitar when I was 10 because I wanted to be like her. So thats all I can think of to write. I better go, its really late. Well, hopefully, I'll meet all of you later. Love and peace, Adrian Send FREE Greetings for Father's Day--or any day! Click here: http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/fathers_day.rdct ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:37:33 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Mingus the album > Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > > >>What are our top 3 Mingus albums? Mingus Moves (the reissue on Rhino includes an amazing bonus track called Big Alice) Re-Incarnation Of A Lovebird The Essence Of Charles Mingus (Jap compilation) Thanks for the education Joni. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:37:16 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: The Johnstons I found this page about The Johnstons on Paul Brady's website. http://www.paulbrady.com/johnstons.html They were the first band to do a cover of BSN when they released it as a single in '68 with Urge For Going on the b side. Apparently Joni did some shows with them in England. The single was awful and I made a frisbee out of it a long time ago. Sorry Bob ! Philip NP Brian Wilson - Your Imagination ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:36:49 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: The First Two Hours in S'toon Penny wrote: >Pat, I hate to say, I forgot one stack of things I meant to take... and your information... >She remembered you by name alone. I didn't have to describe what you did or the club.> whoa! somebody pinch me! this is TOO good! this I couldn't have anticipated! not after so long... wow! penny, this makes me almost glad you forgot the pics! I'm... speechless! :o)))))) > >I'm sorry Pat, I didn't have them with me. I feel bad about that, but on the other hand, if I had you would be more likely to be disappointed if she didn't contact you... If she wants to track any of us down, she could do so easily through Les. Haha, do we all give Les permission to give Joni our email addys? ;-) > that's ok... I have a feeling the next few years are gonna be VERY bizzy for our SIQUOMB... not much chance she'd have time to write and besides, you're right. I'm sure she and 'her people' are very well aware of how to contact us if she wants to... thanks again so much penny. it's hard to describe how profoundly this affects my life. :o) cheers, pat NP: Black Crow http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:45:10 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Penny's S'toon post - ps penny wrote: >Here's part of the thing, I was going through the digest archives awhile back looking for something, and ran across posts where people were giving you shit, calling you a liar and such. It angered me to see how nasty people can be out of what looked to me like envy. I decided to take on your plight since I was going to the opening -- your reputation became one of my top priorities in S'toon. I was thrilled to have it accomplished in just the first couple of hours!!!> and again thank you so much for doing so. I was surprised when you wrote and asked me for that info before you left. it's good that you did make it a priority in one sense... anybody who makes claims like I have should be verified cause it just drives people nuts wondering whether to believe the person or not! ;o) I don't really blame them, penny... I think it was mostly out of loyalty to Joni and I sure agree with that. you're right that some made a mistake and now, thanks to you, those who have always taken what I say with a huge grain of salt, and I know there are some, can relax and accept that the only things inaccurate in my posts are maybe simple errors attribuatable to the many years and my gradually slippery memory and not that I'm making the whole thing up... no folks, it really happened just like I said. :o) as for nastiness, well, after 4yrs online now, more and more I'm convinced that a lot of us, including myself, could use chat/forum commumnication classes to master the art of online communication. I know from experience that even when one is innocently just trying to stand up for what they believe is true online, it can be interpreted as a personal attack and the other thing that comes to mind is the devestated feeling one gets getting multiple messages opposing them. it's a lot different than a group of people talking face to face and the dynamics are sometimes overwhelming. the incident you mention was really tough on me as I had come to the list specifically to try to share what I had experienced with Joni with those who, I figured, would love to hear about it... to *their* benefit! in other words I really wanted to give something and it got turned around and I was viewed being ruthlessly selfself serving and I think some still see me that way. I'll accept partial responsibility for that as I know I'm not perfect and can be quite blunt in what I post... but I'm trying to learn better. there have been a lot of flare ups in the last year and a half since I joined the list and for the most part, even though I may have an opinion, I have stopped myself and weighed whether my words would help the issue resolve or just stir things up more and mostly stifled myself for the sake of peace, just cause I don't think I'm too good at being tactful. to me the depressing part of all this in general is that the flame battles and debates that go on alienate some to such a degree that they leave... case in point that has really bothered me lately and brought me to the point of considering the same thing is that of Gina who I never recall posting anything but nice things to say about Joni and music in general who recently just packed up her keyboard and hit the road in dispair over the nastiness saying she just didn't want it anymore. this saddens me... I like Gina and I miss her. pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:09:35 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Ronee Blakely and songs of my youth Seeing the thread about "Nashville" reminded me of some old songs I'll probably never hear again, like: Ronne Blakely's 'Gabriel' (come on Gabriel, come on and blow your horn, we could use some cheering up when we're sad...) Megan McDonough's 'My Sister Dolores' and I think she did "The Ring that Turned My Finger Green" Wendy Waldman's 'Spring' (those of us who tend the land set about to planting, the rest do what we can just sitting in the hills and singing - and I know that God must be smiling...) There's also an amazing song by Ellen McIlwaine that's not on any recording currently available - I can hear it, but I don't remember the name... Oh and what was the Raun McKinnon song I loved so much (where are those brain cells when you need them?) Well, when I think of it, I'll let you know. She did it on a sort of honky tonk piano and it was great. Musically, those were the days... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:00:50 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Hi from the Bay Area in California Welcome Adrian. You have come to the right place. many of us have the same problem you do in that a significant person in our life doesnt have an equal fanaticism for Jonis music. My wife for instance is French and shes into style and decorating and fine dining and accepts my over the top interest in Joni Mitchells music but shes not into pop, rock or folk. Shes into Opera and classical. Thats wonderful actually. Ultimately this place is populated by people with a keen interest in all things Joni as well as modern subject matters so your significant other doesnt have to be bothered with your need to talk about the meaningful things you have found in Jonis music or what she teaches you about life. Things can get a bit testy from time to time but the world is like that in general so storms come and go and the sunshine returns and we go on. Feel free to ask any question or make any point you want. As for being gay. There are many straights and gays in the JMDL. Mostly though there are just nice people. My personal advice is that by and large the list is intended to focus primarily on Joni Mitchell and music as opposed to politics and or religion. Just keep in mind there are about 750 people on the list now so when you post something to the list there will always be one or two or three who take exception to anything. So dont sweat the small stuff. Marcel Deste. ------------------------------ Date: Tue Jul 11 10:16:26 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Johnstons <> Not a problem, Philip...I've now got that recording in my clutches and will include it. In the meantime, their take on BSN closes out V7! You're right, they ain't nuthin' to wrote home about! Bob NP: The Turtles, "Eve of Destruction" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:44:00 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Pat H.'s Post on Joni at Saskatoon! thanks for the kind words john. that is just what I hope to do. in my mind Joni is SO much more than just a 'rcording artist' and can't even be compared on that level. it's more like having known Picasso or Van Gogh when they were so young and boiling over with the passions that eventually became their works... I had the privelege of knowing her all the way live and in living color... not just professionally but personally... and I knew and felt those passions and I have seen them become her works too. that's not easy to put into words exept to say that Joni is a very, very special and unique person and I've never met anyone even remotely like her since... the people on this list come the closest. :o) thanks again and take care. cheers, pat - -- john wrote: >Good on you, pat! I really hope Joni writes to you! The memories you've shared with us have given all of us, I'm sure, a much greater feel for those early years. They certainly have in my case. >Cheers, >John (in Sydney). Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:53:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Joni and VH1 If you have the time to watch the 4 clips Joni did on their site, please do. As usual, she's flawless. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:56:43 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Hi from the Bay Area in California Hey, Bunny Boy, welcome in! ;) Anyone who likes Joni AND who is the offspring of hippies is fine on this end. May I volunteer to be your in loco parentis dyke stepmom on the list? I was a hippie too, for what that's worth. I think it's wonderful that you've arrived here on the JMDL. Welcome. Cheerz, Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, who is a bit calmer now that she's had her morning's Fishys treats At 02:40 AM 7/11/2000 -0700, Adrian T Chang wrote: >Hello Everyone, > >I'm new to the list and figured I'd drop my first email to say "hi" to everyone. So I'm Adrian, most of my friends call me Bunny, as in Bunny Boy, Bunny Blue, Baby Bunny and whatever else anyone can think of. Call me whatever you want. I'm open. About me, I'm 17, I'm gay and from the bay area in California. By the way, the "I'm Gay" part isn't me trying to brutally throw that on you, I just thought I'd mention it. Anyways, It's hard for me to find ANYONE my age or even any age in my area that appreciates Joni as much as I do(besides my parents, but they were hippies so...). My boyfriend hates her musick(though he respects her as a artist and a musician, he just really dislikes her style). So its a little dissapointing that I don't really have any friends that I can randomly chat about Joni with, without having to explain who she is. SO i figured I'd join the list and meet some other "groupies and fanatics" like me. I've been listening to her since I was a baby and to! >ok up guitar when I was 10 because I wanted to be like her. So thats all I can think of to write. I better go, its really late. Well, hopefully, I'll meet all of you later. > >Love and peace, >Adrian > > >Send FREE Greetings for Father's Day--or any day! >Click here: http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/fathers_day.rdct > - -------------- You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire You've got to spread your light like blazes All across the sky Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:10:54 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Hi from the Bay Area in California Welcome to the list bunny, you will find a home here amongst Joni fans. No need to explain why you said you were gay-if you didn't say it, people would assume you were straight. How exciting to free and open and have somewhere like this at 17. take care colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:08:08 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Penny's S'toon post - ps - ----- Original Message ----- From: P. Henry > it's a lot different than a group > of people talking face to face and the dynamics > are sometimes overwhelming Pat, You brought up some really interesting points there. There's not much those of us in the outer reaches of Joniland can do except heed the advice of our host Les and "keep posting". So please keep those early Joni yarns coming. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:36:12 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Penny's S'toon post - ps On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:08:08 philipf wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: P. Henry >> it's a lot different than a group of people talking face to face and the dynamics are sometimes overwhelming>> > >Pat, >You brought up some really interesting points there. There's not much those of us in the outer reaches of Joniland can do except heed the advice of our host Les and "keep posting". So please keep those early Joni yarns coming. >Philip thanks for the reminder, phil. you're right of course... les' wisdom always wins out. it's just that it's sad to see the nice ones go... it doesn't say good things about our list. :o( pat ps - if I ever made anyone feel that kind of sad, I'm really sorry. Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:28:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Bird Subject: unmasking don juan Dear All, thanks to all those who go take the time to answer my strange and/or trivial Joni questions. I love reading your responses, and am thrilled to have found the list. So, I have one more. Who, in the context of DJRD, is Don Juan? Or, more precisely, which Don Juan is she the reckless daughter of? Obviously there are the famous legends of the world's greatest lover, Don Juan, man of unsurpassed seduction skills. But I wonder if Joni is specifically referring to "the enigmatic Don Juan Matus, a Yaqui Indian sorcerer", written about in Carlos Castaneda's book "The Teachings of Don Juan" and subsequent books. (I understand there is some controversy over whether Castaneda's book is fact or fiction, so I'm not even sure if there is a real Don Juan Matus.) Doing a search through the archives, the identity of Don Juan is not touched upon as far as I can see, but in that period, Joni seems closely connected to things more attributable to a Yaqui Indian sorcerer than any other possible incarnation of a "Don Juan" figure. Anybody out there have specifics for this DJRD-obsessed lad? Nickel Chief P.S. The book excerpt "A Search for Clarity", written by Anthony Fawcett and available in the archives, is a gem. The painting now known as "Axilar Moonrise" was referred to in the text as "the painting of 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter'" of which she says "It has a lot to do with the primitive peoples of this continent — the element of the Indian — all bathed in the magic of an electric night. The woman is the spirit of Don Juan's reckless daughter, and everything refers to moments in time." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:43:02 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: unmasking don juan In a message dated 7/11/00 3:35:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mbirdny@earthlink.net writes: << But I wonder if Joni is specifically referring to "the enigmatic Don Juan Matus, a Yaqui Indian sorcerer", written about in Carlos Castaneda's book "The Teachings of Don Juan" and subsequent books >> I don't know if I can "answer" this question, but I have read/heard interviews in which Joni refers to having read Castaneda, so I would assume that Don Juan Matus is in the mix somewhere. But I always assumed that she, Joni, is both DJ and DJRD (that DJ is multi-representational, somewhat akin to images in dreams where one person or image can represent a multitude of people/images). That's my two cents, Nickel Chief :-) Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:13:00 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Re: Joni's friend, website report, favorites Thanks for this luscious tale of old friends. Anne Bayin must be a writer herself as I was absolutely absorbed by her tale of travel and memories revisited. Secret shy lister, thanks for the report, it was nice to have this perspective. All the commentary of the show yet nowhere did I read of Kilauren. This makes me sad; maybe things are still strained as Joni alluded to during the Today Show interview? Let's hope that the event was just too high profile for Kilauren. Jim J., thanks for the great report on the website. I laughed at your over exuberance regarding the event, showing us all that you are a fan as well as webmaster. Question: Did Wally get to see any of these paintings on his visit to Joni's? Reading every account of the opening made me think of how he would have been beaming. Again, a big thanks to all who have shared their experiences. I am sure it made those of us who couldn't go feel like we were a part of it, I know it did with me. Favorites: Hissing Hejira Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Night Ride Home Shadows & Light Sue Cameron NP: Breeze through the trees and washing machine humming... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:16:38 PDT From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: HAWAII JMDL'ER INFO, PLEASE VLJC HEY, FOLKS!! DELURKING AND SEEKING LISTERS IN THE HAWAIIAN ISLANDS. I AM MOVING TO HAWAII AT THE END OF AUGUST/BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER AND WOULD LIKE TO HOOK UP WITH OTHER JONI-PHILES WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN EDUCATING ME ABOUT LIFE IN THE ISLANDS. LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU. LOVE AND ALOHA, RUSS The light, creation's mind, was everywhere, and all things owned its power. Charles Dickens ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:05:10 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: Kilauren; parents Sue Cameron (I'm saying "hi" to lots of old friends today; hi, Sue!) wrote: "All the commentary of the show yet nowhere did I read of Kilauren. This makes me sad; maybe things are still strained as Joni alluded to during the Today Show interview? Let's hope that the event was just too high profile for Kilauren." Me now: a couple of us in Saskatoon noticed this too, many of us expressing the same hope you did that things are going well for Kilauren and Joni. And yet, I think it's important to remember that the opening took place on a national holiday weekend (Canada Day was Saturday, July 1), and that July 1, if I'm remembering correctly, was also Kilauren's daughter's first birthday. Even more importantly, as I mentioned to someone at the time, I think we need to need to recall that, even though Kilauren is Joni's daughter, she *has parents*--David and Ida Gibb--in Toronto. Perhaps it was important to her that she spend this special weekend with them. Situations like this cannot possibly be easy, and I wish everyone concerned only the very best. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:20:52 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: unmasking don juan My guess would be Don Juan Matus. I never finished reading "The Teachings of Don Juan" but what I did read I could see some correlations between Carlos' peyote visions in the desert and the lyrics in DJRD. I might have to join the all Joni list if this thread turns into one about Carlos Casteneda! :D NP-New Bohemians, 11/27/94 - She At 3:28 PM -0400 7/11/00, Michael Bird wrote: >So, I have one more. Who, in the context of DJRD, is Don Juan? Or, >more precisely, which Don Juan is she the reckless daughter of? - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:28:18 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: "Russian on Prozac?" A friend wanted to know what Joni meant by "Russian on Prozac" on the Greek Theater show from this year. I guess we're the only ones that didn't get it, since the audience did. Maybe they didn't want themselves to look like fools so they laughed? Who knows. Enlighten a braindead, please. NP-New Bohemians, 11/27/94 - Beat the Time - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ "Close it yourself, shitty!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:32:57 -0400 From: "Brian Workman" Subject: Re: Songs For & About JONI (The List) You forgot Stupid Girl by Neil Young from Zuma which he in an interview when it was released said was about Joni. Let me screw up the Jackson B/Joni thread. I've always believed For the Roses (the song) was about Jackson and Not to Blame was about OJ. BDub (longtime lurker) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 1:08 AM Subject: Songs For & About JONI (The List) > well folks -- here's the list of JONI MITCHELL related songs. > actually -2- seperate lists that perhaps should be combined. > > > 1. SONGS About (or inspired by) JONI MITCHELL > 2. SONGS That Mention JONI (or one of her songs) > > there IS one ommission (possibly 2). > > > earlier today Deb Messling wrote (regarding P.M. Dawn): > > > >I'm 80% certain they also sampled "Sweet Bird" on some record or other. > > > if anyone can confirm this and identify the Album, > i'll have a friend send it to me. > > > another song is from the "CRYSTAL BALL" set by Prince. i neglected > to add it to the list when the CDs were released and right now i can't > find my notes and don't remember which song it is and frankly don't have > time to go searching thru a 5-CD set. > > > in any event ... the list is below. > > > for now ~ take care, > ------- > simon > ------- > > > > > SONGS About (or inspired by) JONI MITCHELL > > > Atlantic #19117-2, 1969 > CROSBY, STILLS & NASH "1st LP" > Guinnevere > > Atlantic #82649-2, 1970 > CROSBY, STILLS, NASH & YOUNG "Deja vu" > Our House > > Atlantic #7204-2, 1971 > GRAHAM NASH "Songs For Beginners" > Simple Man > > Warner Bros #2561-2, 1971 > JAMES TAYLOR "Mudslide Slim & The Blue Horizon" > Love Has Brought Me Around > > Atlantic CD #82638-2, 1971 > LED ZEPPELIN "Led Zeppelin IV" > Going To California > > Concert Recording / Bakersfield, CA., 1-20-73 > NEIL YOUNG "(Unreleased) Live Performance" > Sweet Joni > > Cadet #CA-50044, 1973 > DAVE VAN RONK "Songs To Ageing Children" > Song For Joni > > Columbia #CK-47120, 1973 > ERIC ANDERSON "Stages: The Lost Album" > It's Been A Long Time > > Asylum #7E 1017-2, 1974 > JACKSON BROWNE "Late For The Sky" > Fountain Of Sorrow > > MCA Records #MCAD-31251, 1975 > DAVID CROSBY/GRAHAM NASH "Wind On The Water" > Mama Lion > > Warner Bros #BS-2890, 1975 > RONEE BLAKELY "Welcome" > She Lays It On The Line > > Bearsville #6961, 1975 > TODD RUNDGREN's UTOPIA "Another Live" > The Wheel > > Flying Fish #FF243, 1980 > SIMON & BARD "Musaic" > Song For Joni Mitchell > > MCA #25439-2, 1980 > NIK KERSHAW "Radio Musicola" > Radio Musicola > > GeeStreet #63881-32510-2, 1993 > P.M. DAWN "The Bliss Album...?" > The Ways Of The Wind > > GeeStreet #314-524-147-2, 1995 > P.M. DAWN "Jesus Wept" > Forever Damaged (The 96th) > > Virgin Records CD #7243-8-44762-2-9, 1997 > JANET JACKSON: "THE VELVET ROPE > Got 'Til It's Gone (Featuring Q-Tip & Joni Mitchell) > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > SONGS That Mention JONI (or one of her songs): > > > Bell #1123, 1973 > MELISSA MANCHESTER "Home To Myself" > Home To Myself > > One Way Records #A22673, 1974 > FLO & EDDIE "Illegal, Immoral & Fattening" > Kama Sutra Time > > Rhino Records #72263, 1973-'75 > "The Best Of The National Lampoon Radio Hour" > You Put Me Thru Hell (Joni Mitchell Parody) > > Fogerty's Cove Music #FCM 001D, 1978 > STAN ROGERS "Turnaround" > So Blue > > Paisley Park #9 25577-2, 1987 > PRINCE "Sign '0' THE TIMES" > The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker > > Island #422-842 319-2, 1990 > KEVIN KINNEY "MacDougal Blues" > MacDougal Blues > > Atlantic #82322-2, 1991 > EVERYTHING BUT THE GIRL "Worldwide" > Frozen River > > Creative #LP-072, 1991 > FLUKE "The Techno Rose Of Blighty" > Joni > > Epitaph Records #86430, 1993 > SNAFU "Something Green And Leafy This Way Comes" > Joni Mitchell Tapes > > GeeStreet #32510, 1993 > P.M. DAWN "The Bliss Album...? > Looking Through Patient Eyes > > Reprise #9 45608-2, 1994 > LUKE BLOOM "Turf" > To Begin To > > Earthbeat #9 42564-2, 1994 > FERRON "Driver" > Maya > > Kill Rock Stars #KRS-238, 1995 > MARY LOU LORD "Self-Titled EP" > His Indie World > > Reprise/Maverick #45901-2, 1995 > ALANIS MORISSETTE "Jagged Little Pill > Your House > ------------------ > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:56:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: FTR and not to blame > Let me screw up the Jackson B/Joni thread. I've always believed For the > Roses (the song) was about Jackson and Not to Blame was about OJ. > > BDub (longtime lurker) sorry but the occasion warrants it: ME TOO! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:22:55 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: HAWAII JMDL'ER INFO, PLEASE VLJC In a message dated 07/11/2000 4:36:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rustytrazom@hotmail.com writes: << I AM MOVING TO HAWAII AT THE END OF AUGUST/BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER AND WOULD LIKE TO HOOK UP WITH OTHER JONI-PHILES WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN EDUCATING ME ABOUT LIFE IN THE ISLANDS. >> Russ, I know Rainbow lives on one of the Hawaiian Islands but I don't have her address and she hasn't posted in awhile. Anyone have the addy for Rainbow, she had such pleasant posts on the list. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:36:17 -0700 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: RS - article on Joni's romances I have heard so much about this RS article? Does anyone have the article or the date, issue? Tahnks, DArice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:37:59 EDT From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #382 Favorites are: Hejira Turbulent Indigo Hissing of the Summer Lawns Shadows and Light Court and Spark Songs Judgement of the Moon and Stars Amelia edith and the Kingpin Turbulent Indigo Hejira and Song for Sharon (a tie) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:45:13 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: "Russian on Prozac?" Mark asked: > A friend wanted to know what Joni meant by "Russian on Prozac" on the > Greek Theater show from this year. > She said this at the show I was at too in camden,NJ. Someone please correct me if I am wrong(it's been known to happen) but Larry Klein, Joni's ex-husband, is the "Russian on Prozac." She was making reference to how excitable he gets. He was the one that played the bass at the shows. Take care Nikki "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:12:11 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Hi Hello Adrian, Hey, welcome to the list. Just one quick question...as for your boyfriend disliking Joni's style, my question would be...which one? folk pop/rock jazz Sue Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:10:23 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: SJC, Laura Nyro Doesn't the piano line in Upstairs by a Chinese Lamp just stir you up inside? I love that album. I like to hear most of the covers done of Laura's and Joni's music but I will always like the way they perform their music the best. Do you know there are some people that do not like (gasp!) Laura's or Joni's voice when they sing? I think I converted my husband by taking him to the BSN concert. Afterwards he said no one could sing BSN like Joni. Needless to say I was in shock to hear these words come out of his mouth! Heather At 02:17 PM 7/10/00 -0400, Jerry Notaro wrote: >To combine threads, my 2 top Laura albums are Gonna Take a Miracle and >Christmas and the Beads of Sweat. I listened to both of those as much as Joni, >Tapestry, and Wildflowers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:30:24 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: unmasking don juan > > At 3:28 PM -0400 7/11/00, Michael Bird wrote: > >So, I have one more. Who, in the context of DJRD, is Don Juan? Or, > >more precisely, which Don Juan is she the reckless daughter of? I think she's referring to both. I've never read the Castaneda books but what little I know about them seems to fit. And Joni's preoccupation with romantic love would make the other Don Juan an equally likely candidate, imo. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:55:35 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Both Sides Now & The JOHNSTONS writes with information >__________________________________________________________________ >Subject: The Johnstons > >I found this page about The Johnstons on Paul Brady's website. >http://www.paulbrady.com/johnstons.html They were the first >band to do a cover of BSN when they released it as a single in >'68 with Urge For Going on the b side. Apparently Joni did some >shows with them in England. The single was awful and I made a >frisbee out of it a long time ago. Sorry Bob! > >Philip >__________________________________________________________________ sorry Philip, but this information isn't quite correct. The Johnstons LP "GIVE A DAMN" containing "Urge For Going" as well as "Both Sides Now" (Transatlantic #TRA-184) was recorded between august and november 1968. the Judy Collins LP "WILDFLOWERS" was *released* in november 1967. in april 1968 "Dave Van Ronk & The Hudson Dusters" (a self-titled LP) was released. it contained both "Chelsea Morning" as well as "Clouds" Dave's title for "Both Sides Now". Joni called her 2nd album "Clouds" in deference to Dave. below is a portion of an article i'm sure you'll find interesting. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- FROM: Goldmine Magazine Issue #380 ~ February 17, 1995 Joni Mitchell: From Blue to Indigo by William Ruhlman But other events were conspiring to put Joni Mitchell before the public. For one thing, the musical climate, which, only the previous fall, had seemed to favor psychedelia and the elaborate eclecticism of Sgt. Pepper, had changed in favor of her approach. Bob Dylan's comeback album, John Wesley Harding, released the last week of 1967 on the same day as Leonard Cohen's debut LP Songs Of Leonard Cohen, countered the new complexity with a new simplicity. Soon after, Simon and Garfunkel topped the charts with Bookends and the soundtrack to The Graduate, and soft, quiet folkie music seemed to be back. At the same time, Mitchell's folkie champions continued to record her material. April saw the release of Tom Rush's The Circle Game, containing the title track, "Tin Angel" and - finally - his version of "Urge For Going." Rush's album hit #68. The same month, Dave Van Ronk and the Hudson Dusters released their self-titled album, featuring "Chelsea Morning" and the song he insisted on calling "Clouds." But the biggest factor in broadening Joni Mitchell's exposure was Judy Collins. After its release in November 1967, her Wildflowers LP, containing Mitchell's "Both Sides Now" and "Michael From Mountains," had enjoyed a curious chart history. Most albums of the time had a simple sales profile: A couple of weeks after release, they would enter the charts and rise to a peak, then gradually fall back down and off the list. Not Wildflowers, the sales profile of which would have looked like a mountain range rather than a single spire. It entered the charts on January 6, 1968, at #145 and rose up the chart for the next several weeks, peaking at #47 on March 9. It then began to drop, but reversed itself after hitting a low at #67 on April 13 and slowly began to rise again. On June 22, it hit a new high of #43, and it rose to #36 by July 13 before starting to sink again, but it remained in the Top 50 for the rest of the summer. On September 21, it suddenly dropped from #45 to #76, seeming to indicate that, 38 weeks into its chart run, it was finally running out of gas. But it continued to bounce around in the lower half of the Top 100 for the next several weeks, and it was at #60 on Nov. 2, the day that a single of "Both Sides Now," released nearly a year after the album on which it appeared, entered the Cash Box singles chart at #91 and made Billboard's Bubbling Under The Hot 100 chart at #120. Curiously, Wildflowers started to slip as "Both Sides Now" went up the singles chart, but on November 23, as "Both Sides Now" made the Top 20, it jumped 20 places to #48, and by December 14, it had hit a new peak at #31, while In My Life, Collins' previous album, had re-entered the charts. On December 21, "Both Sides Now" peaked at #8 on the Hot 100, and the following week, Wildflowers celebrated a full year in the charts by reaching its final peak at #5 on the LP chart. "Both Sides Now" became an instant standard, appearing on albums by at least 15 different artists in 1969 alone, and it is no doubt the most widely recorded song Joni Mitchell ever wrote. It has been recorded by Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Neil Diamond, Andy Williams and Willie Nelson, among many others. ---------------------------------------------- "Pride, like humility, is destroyed by one's insistence the he possesses it." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:57:15 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Stupid Girl? (Not Joni) Brian Workman writes ... >_____________________________________________________________________ >You forgot Stupid Girl by Neil Young from Zuma which he in >an interview when it was released said was about Joni. > >Let me screw up the Jackson B/Joni thread. I've always believed For >the Roses (the song) was about Jackson and Not to Blame was about OJ. > >BDub (longtime lurker) >_____________________________________________________________________ Sorry Bob, I didn't forget anything. I intentionally left this song off the list. "Stupid Girl" by Neil Young is not about Joni Mitchell. try Carrie Snodgrass, mother of Neil's oldest son Zeke. Neil and Joni are old and dear friends from their pre-fame days back in Canada. Neil would never write such a song about Joni Mitchell as for "Not To Blame" why anyone would think this song is about Mr. Simpson is simply beyond me. FTR: the song PreDates Joni's "Turbulent Indigo" Album. TI was recorded, 'in the can' and awaiting release well before the June 12, 1994 murders of Nicole Simpson and Ronald Goldman by a person-or-persons Unknown! besides, Jackson Browne sees Himself and His behavior in the songs lyric. why argue with him? "For The Roses" is about James Taylor. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:56:51 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: SJC, Laura Nyro > Doesn't the piano line in Upstairs by a Chinese Lamp just stir you up > inside? I love that album. I've said it before & I'll say it again. 'Christmas and the Beads of Sweat' is an overlooked classic and a work of genius. It has some similarities to Joni's greatest work - the seamless flow of one song into the next, for one - and yet it is so different from anything Joni has ever done. To me the song 'Brown Earth' is Laura's 'Chelsea Morning' and 'Been on a Train' is her 'Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire.' The subject matters are similar but the two women approached them in such different ways. I also think that Rickie Lee Jones' 'Pirates' owes a lot to Laura Nyro. Tori Amos is another one of her musical descendants, imo. I agree with you about the piano in 'Upstairs By a Chinese Lamp', Heather. The way it segues into 'Map to the Treasure' is brilliant and beautiful. She certainly left us much too soon. It's a pity that she wasn't as prolific as Joni was. But Laura seems to have had other priorities. I used to think Sharon in 'Song for Sharon' was actually Laura Nyro since she kind of dropped out of sight after she got married & became a mother. Of course I know better now. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:02:25 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #383 Hello to you all. I've been reading the postings for the past week or so. There is so much to go through .. and I find I make the time to read it as I get lots of little tidbits that I didn't know, or better yet .. hadn't thought of for years. I've been a fan ... a big fan since I graduated from high school in 1971. Every album's release was like a birthday. I can remember "first listens" on many of them ... they were occasions. I loved turning my rock and roll friends on to Court and Spark and watching their confusion about this folk singer's ability. And For the Roses ... Ahh that was perfect. And what a nice bunch of folks you all are. The disagreements are so cordial and the pin head statements kept to a minimum. Looking forward to reading more from you folks. Just hope this doesn't just seem so righteous from the start. Peace, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:03:27 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: JONI INTERPRETERS Joseph, I liked your lists, want to revisit mine and include Mingus. Come In From The Cold is a sometimes overlooked tune, and Cassandra Wilson's version of Black Crow with Don Byron on otherworldly clarinet is the wildest. I didn't realize that Janis Siegel, of Manhattan Transfer fame, had produced any solo efforts, but confirmed that fact via CD NOW, after your making mention of her, always appreciated her voice. FYI... Dianne Reeves also recorded River, on her most recent Bridges album, a version which features nice soprano sax work by Kenny Garrett. Thanks. Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:13:10 -0700 (PDT) From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Joni & Judy Sue Cameron asked: Did Wally get to see any of these paintings on his visit to Joni's? The answer to this is yes. When Wally returned from Joni's house he spent a lot of time telling me about walking through her studio (the bedroom that she formerly shared with ex-husband Larry)and seeing all the paintings stacked up around the perimeter of the room. I saw Judy Collins perform last Sunday, July 9th. The first song of the set was "Both Sides Now" and surprisingly Judy flubbed many of the lyrics. I had the feeling during this show that Judy was pre-occupied - perhaps thinking about her cancelled appearance the following day. Judy did mention Joni several times during the concert - - notably how Joni and Leonard Cohen inspired her to write original material. Welcome Adrian! I also live in the Bay Area and go to San Francisco often. Maybe we can meet sometime and talk the Joni talk. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:27:00 +0000 From: Kenny Grant Subject: Re: "Russian on Prozac?" Hey Mark, Nikki, and gang, I had the pleasure of attending 4 of the BSN shows (NYC twice, CT & NJ) and she used that line at each of the shows. Prozac is one of the most popular antidepressants - its a pill that many people take who suffer from depression. It got a nice chuckle at all the shows. She used this line to underscore that fact that Larry, as musical director (and of course bassist) for the shows selected several of the non-BSN songs from her catalogue that she was going to perform - she referred to theses songs - particularly Judgement of the Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune) - and possibly For The Roses as well - as "some of her most depressing work," and said, "but what can you expect from a Russian on Prozac." The "Russian" part only came in because the concertmaster/band leader, Vince Mendoza, is Latin, so she said (at most or all of the shows) "so you've got a Latin temperment, and a Russian on Prozac" - so this is the type of material that you get. Personally, I didn't understand the Latin/Russian part - in the context of song selection - it was really the line about Prozac that I found amusing and that "worked" to get a laugh out of the audience. After a few shows I actually got a little "analytical" about it, and asked myself if it was really fair to "out" Larry like that and tell the whole world what medications he takes/disorders he suffers from, but Prozac is really such a popular drug, like in the "top 20" of all presecriptions written - plus I'm sure she got clearance from Larry to use the line - at his expense, and therefore he doesn't feel that taking Prozac is anything to be embarassed or ashamed about. -Kenny Nikki Johnson wrote: > Mark asked: > > A friend wanted to know what Joni meant by "Russian on Prozac" on the > > Greek Theater show from this year. > > > She said this at the show I was at too in camden,NJ. Someone please correct > me if I am wrong(it's been known to happen) but Larry Klein, Joni's > ex-husband, is the "Russian on Prozac." She was making reference to how > excitable he gets. He was the one that played the bass at the shows. > Take care > Nikki > > "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was > to keep my love alive" ~ Heart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:06:08 EDT From: Hejira924@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #288 OK, I can't resist having my say. The top 5 songs and albums from one of the newest JMDL'rs (joined after returning home from the Mendel opening in Saskatoon), but a lifelong devotee: ALBUMS 1) Hejira (not any surprise from me; stronger than ever now that I've returned from the province containing Baljennie and Maidstone) 2) Blue (I still suspect if everything falls apart in my life someday this will pull me through) 3) Night Ride Home (the best of her most recent albums, great to drive to) 4) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (so that's what DJRD stands for, OK fellow lovers) 5) For the Roses (haven't listened to recently, but the best album to test speakers!) SONGS 1) Cherokee Louise (the humanity and sadness of teenage torment) 2) Chinese Cafe (is Carol really Carole? Also, the clue about Kilauren's existence) 3) Paprika Plains (another lament on Indians, the Prairie, and a virtual symphony) 4) Cactus Tree (did she see her future on her first album?) 5) Banquet (can it still inspire us to make a better world?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:07:07 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: Mingus the album Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > What are our top 3 Mingus albums? The only one I know is "Let My Children Hear Music", which I discovered in my teens. It's from the '70's and has some cool stuff on it, I'm sure very different than his early stuff. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #289 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?