From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #285 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, July 9 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 285 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: joni&taylor [catman ] Mingus the album ["James Phillips" ] Guinnevere [simon@icu.com] TTT artwork [John Downes ] Impossible Dreamer [simon@icu.com] Mendel Pictures ["Ken (slarty)" ] print ad for a '73? Concert [simon@icu.com] Re: Prince's song written about Joni? ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: question: TTT artwork [SMEBD@aol.com] Ques: Curious about which of the albums r Remasters- [bohodan ] Songs For & About JONI (a comment) [simon@icu.com] Songs For & About JONI (The List) [simon@icu.com] JONI Contributions (Others' Albums) [simon@icu.com] Joni: video clip of the day on vhi.com [Janet Hess ] Re: Songs For & About JONI (The List) SJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Saskatoon Magic ["c Karma" ] top five ["Joni Fan" ] Re: The First Two Hours in S'toon [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 23:35:20 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: joni&taylor > It is a very common bootleg. How do bootlegs end up being sold thru legit stores like Tower, Virgin, HMV etc? I bought my copy at Tower. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 22:50:32 GMT From: "James Phillips" Subject: Mingus the album > > From: James Phillips > > > This is going to be a real toughie, as I like almost every Joni album >*I've > > heard*. So here goes: > > > > 1) Mingus > > > > 2) Songs to Seagull > > > > 3) Taming the Tiger > > > > 4) Both Sides Now > > > > 5) Hits > >WOW! I think you're the first with Mingus and BSN in the top 5 list. Is >Mingus your #1 favorite?? > >Marilyn Mingus is a favourite of mine. I should of said not nessarily in order though:) But Mingus does rank high in my book as Joni took a chance with that album, I think. I mean, she risked her core audience to introduce Mingus to people that would never have heard of him. I'm only 25, but if it wasn't for Joni's Mingus album, I'd never would have heard of Charles Mingus. I have several of his own recordings becaues of her album. JOP ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:30:24 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Guinnevere Mark and Kate (among others) wonder about the David Crosby song "Guinnevere" and whether it's about Joni Mitchell. >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:10:10 -0700 >From: Kate Bennett >Subject: Re: songs for and about joni > >From: Mark Domyancich: I'm almost postive Guinnevere was written >for Chrissie Hinton (I think) who was killed before Deja Vu was >recorded. (CSN entusiasts please correct me) > >Yes, you are right--I have heard Croz say that. > >Kate Bennett >------------------------------------------------------------------- here (i think) is your answer. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- > > > > >From: JMDL Archives > >Vol. #4 / #39 >Jan. 22, 1999 > >From: simon@icu.com >Subject: Guinnevere, About Joni? >Date: Fri. Jan. 22, 1999 > >CarltonCT@aol.com wrote ... >>__________________________________________________________________ >> >> >>I had always wondered if "Guenivere" was about Joni, especially >>since it has seagull imagery. Acccording to the Hinton book, it >>is partially about her - she is the woman referred to in the lines >>"Guenivere hath golden hair - like yours, lady, like yours." The >>use of "hath" seems a little silly these days. >>__________________________________________________________________ > >Brian Hinton is correct on this point. however, be careful about >accepting everything in his book as gospel. there's a lot of rumor, >speculation, innuendo and other *facts* that are just plain wrong. > > >the following is from an 'A Conversation With David Crosby' >conducted by Wally Breese on 3-15-97 > >DC: Yes, it was very difficult for me. I'd sit there and struggle over > one song, like "Guinevere" for a month, and she would have written > 5 songs that week. > >WB: After you and Joni stopped being a couple, she moved in with Graham > (Nash), and they wrote all those songs about their relationship like > "Our House," "Willie," etc. It seemed as if you all were writing > about and to each other. > >DC: You know, we did write a lot to each other back then. > She was one of the three women I wrote "Guinevere" about. > >WB: I guess another was Christine Hinton? > (Christine was David's lover who was tragically killed in an > auto accident in 1969). > >DC: Uh-huh. > >WB: And who would the third one be? > >DC: Oh, someone that nobody knows. > >WB: Keeping that fact to yourself, David? > >DC: Yeah. > >the Complete Interview can be found on The Joni Mitchell Homepage, >at URL: > >hope this helps. >for now ~ take care, > >------- > simon >------- > > they sin by their silence > ...when they should have spoken out. > A.Lincoln > and then there's this ... > > >From David Crosby's book LONG TIME GONE: > > Three people's lives were braided together and others would join > a tangled skein that would finmally drive every one of the artists > involved to write a song about the experience; Grahan Nash's > "Our House," Joni Mitchell's "Willy," and David Crosby's > "Guinnevere," a song that's generally identified with Christine > Hinton. In fact, the third verse of "Guinnevere" was inspired by > Joni Mitchell. David believes that "Dawntrader" is at least in > part about him and he's willing to concede now that at least a part > of "Guinnevere" was for Joni. > ----------------------------- > as for "Dawntrader", there's this >Vol. #4/ #267 >June 20, 1999 > >From: simon@icu.com >Subject: Dawntreader >Date: Sun. June 20, 1999 > >Jim L'Hommedieu wondered ... >>____________________________________________________________________ >>Hello all, I've scoured Wally's wonderful site for info on the song >>called "Dawntreader" but came away empty-handed. Where can I do some >>research on this song? >>____________________________________________________________________ > > >Jim, > >i don't know that there is any more information other that what David >Crosby offered up in his conversation with Wally Breese and a small >mention in his book LONG TIME GONE. > > > "I asked David about the sessions for the first album: > > WB: Did you spend a long time on Joni's first album or was it done > in just a few quick weeks? > > DC: It was a fairly long process, as I remember. > > WB: By the way, do you call the first album "Song To A Seagull" > or "Joni Mitchell?" > > DC: She originally called it "Song To A Seagull," which some people > think is what she called it when she was still in love with me. > I don't know. There are references to me on the album ... like > "Dawntreader." > > WB: Oh, "Dawntreader" is definitely about you, I would think, > with its references to sailing ships and seabirds." > -------------------------------------------------- simon sez: "Pride, like humility, is destroyed by one's insistence the he possesses it." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 17:28:55 -0600 From: John Downes Subject: TTT artwork Hi Michael and all, The picture you are referring to is titled "Edmonton". I know this because I went and saw it at the Mendel and have it in the catalogue. Then again, I also recognize the city scape because I live in Edmonton. The place the picture is showing is on my regular dog walking route, near a place where the dogs often swim in the summer time. By the way, that isn't a lake. It is the North Saskatchewan River which flows through Edmonton on its way to Hudson's Bay. As for the identity of the man, who knows. Actually, I wish the profile wasn't in the picture at all. Finally, I think that the original picture on which this painting is based must have been taken when Joni played here for our summer folk fest. I saw her there and it was magic! First time she had performed in Canada in years. On a clear and warm summer night, out in a beautiful park, Joni opened with "Night Ride Home". I was in ecstasy! - -John in Edmonton ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:35:08 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Impossible Dreamer recently several questions have come up regarding Joni's song "Impossible Dreamer" and the individual(s) who inspired it. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >My big question is this and I would be interested in peoples opinions >and comments. Is Impossible Dreamer about John Lennon or maybe MLK jr.? >Every time I listen to that song, I think of John Lennon. >Any comments??? >----------------------------------------------------------------------- clearly Dr. King is the major inspiration ... hence the title. after all, dreaming about equality in Amerika does seem like a futile endeavor as well as an Impossible! dream. in any event ... perhaps the following will prove helpful. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- > > > > >From: JMDL Archives > >Vol. 3 #70 >Feb. 9, 1998 > >From: simon@icu.com >Subject: Impossible Dreamer >Date: Mon. Feb. 9, 1998 > >David Marine wrote: >>______________________________________________________________ >>Re: Lennon, I have a Joni question. I've always assumed that >>"Impossible Dreamer" was about JL. Are there any interviews >>with Joni on this topic that someone might steer me to? >>David >>______________________________________________________________ > >yes, the Warner Bros Music Show #143, Interview w/Joni Mitchell > and music from the Geffen album "Dog Eat Dog". (c) 1985 > >during the interview with Bill Flanagan, Joni says: > >BF: Is "Impossible Dreamer" about John Lennon? > >JM: It's a more general song than, y'know it's not specifically him. > it's Martin Luther King, it's y'know all the voices of idealism. > it's addressed to them singularly, but when i was writing it, all > ... all of the public voices AND some private voices; and > everything that i ever heard along that line. the death of that > whole idea. i guess it came about because of its rebirth now. > >------- > simon >------- >************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 19:40:02 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Mendel Pictures Thanks to all who privately emailed me concerning the Mendel Pictures. For now I'm offering my site to anyone who would like to post their Mendel pictures on the web for everyone to see. Just email them to me. If you would like to have any text put up with the pictures send that along too. This is where they will end up. http://millennium.fortunecity.com/sherwood/452/mendel.html This site will hopefully be moved over to the JMDL in time. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:49:03 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: print ad for a '73? Concert RandyRemote wrote >Subject: Joni Jackson > >Here is a link to a print ad for a '73 concert. It shows >Joni and Jackson Browns pics side by side. Seemed appropriate >to the recent threads. >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=373733685 actually this Tour and these concerts took place in 1972. Joni spent most of 1973 in the studio recording 'Court & Spark'. her only definite 1973 concert appearances were: 04-15-73 'St. James Benefit' Montreal, Quebec 08-11-73 Topanga Canyon Corral Los Angeles, Ca. 08-12-73 Topanga Canyon Corral Los Angeles, Ca. Joni, Neil Young, & the Eagles / 2 shows each night there IS a recording 'In Circulation' that's supposedly from a concert in Kona, Hawaii on July 21, 1973. this is (almost) definitely NOT the case. i have information from several sources indicating that the only time Joni appeared In Concert in Hawaii was on June 18, 1972 at the Waikiki Shell in Honolulu. Jackson Brown was the opening act. i have pictures of both taken that night. they weren't taken very well either but that's another story. hopefully i'll be able to clear this up before long. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:53:20 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Prince's song written about Joni? I love the fact that Prince thought that he could write for Joni but what he came up with was a song called (something like)' You are my love pump' . She declined the offer to duet.... Jamie Zoob > What is the name of the song wherein His Purpleness, Prince, mentions > listening to Joni? He doesn't refer to Hissing by name but since he had > recently raved about HOSL (in Rolling Stone) we can infer that the song > reference pertains to HOSL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 00:24:25 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: question: TTT artwork Hello Nickel Chief I know that Joni spoke about it when there was an exhibition of her art at LACE (Los Angeles Contemporary Art?) and it is Saskatoon and it is Donald. She was out on one of her floppy hatted walks and the painting comes from that. She speaks about the river and how Saskatoon is like Emerald City, as it is newly developed and very modern (I am 80% sure that it is Sask that she is talking about... can anyone remember the tape recording of the interview she had with Gilles at the time?) Jamie Zoob Split Tongued Spirit > > A burning question regarding: a painting in the TTT booklet. The one > opposite the lyrics to "Face Lift," Joni and (Don Freed?) looking at a city > skyline across a glassy lake. > > Does anyone know the title? The location? The lucky guy in profile? > > I'm enamoured by the quality of the light in this painting, and am struck by > its similarity to the view of the midtown Manhattan skyline, looking over > the lake in Central Park from about 77th Street. > > Nickel Chief > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:10:40 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: question: TTT artwork In a message dated 07/09/2000 5:24:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mbirdny@earthlink.net writes: << 'm enamoured by the quality of the light in this painting, and am struck by its similarity to the view of the midtown Manhattan skyline, looking over the lake in Central Park from about 77th Street. >> I have always assumed that it is this location in Central Park (or perhaps around 73rd/74th Street and that the man is Donald. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 17:16:37 -0700 (PDT) From: bohodan Subject: Ques: Curious about which of the albums r Remasters- Can any of you fellow collectors tell me if the 80's albums 'n' NRH have been given "the treatment"? (the HDCD etc..) I was wondering, as I'm in the UK and so far I've come across all the 70's albums remastered (including first of all the 2 live LPs- which I guess was pretty puzzling) - with the exception of Hejira and tHOSL. Although I'd be right in assuming there are Remasters of these two available in America I think? Maybe they haven't made it to these shores yet. Well, would I be right in saying that DED, CMIARs and NRH are still in AAD "on all continents"? Consider how multi-layered those records are sonically, ( just listen to them on vinyl or cassette versions ie analogue to analogue, ...My Secret Place, etc..) - - just strikes me how they'd particularly benifit from a richer sound on CD. I'm guessing that the current re-issues are 20-bit, but there don't seem to be details given so I don't know.. Any comments from jmdlers: I'm "all ears" ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:20:06 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Close Your Eyes earlier today Vadim Litvin posted an inquiry. >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Subject: joni&taylor > >Dear friends! >I bought the CD called "Close Your Eyes" credited as >"Joni Mitchell & James Taylor". It is an illegal Russian release, >I think. What's this? When it was recorded exactly? and where? >Please, tell me more about this recording. > >Best wishes, >Vadim >(from Ukraine) >------------------------------------------------------------------- Vadim, oh it's definitely a Bootleg and one of the more common ones at that. hopefully you'll find all the information you're looking for in a post i sent to the list last summer. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- > > > > > >Vol. #4/ #264 >June 19, 1999 > >From: simon@icu.com >Subject: JONI, James & A Case Of You >Date: Fri. June 18, 1999 > >evian recently asked ... >>____________________________________________________________________ >>MG was listening to: np: Joni/James concert: "A Case Of You" >> >>SAY WHAT??? Ok, who has been holding out ... >>James & Joni TOGETHER doing "A Case of You"? Fill me in, peoples! >> >>Evian >>____________________________________________________________________ > > >Evian, > >while on Tour in England in the fall/winter of 1970 Joni Mitchell was >scheduled for a 'live' concert by the BBC as part of their 'In Concert' >Series on BBC Radio 1. > >this was a Joni Mitchell (solo) Concert. no other artists were scheduled. > >it was recorded at the BBCs' Paris Theater Studios in early Dec. 1970 >and broadcast on December 20, 1970. > >when Joni arrived at the studio for the taping, she brought along >a friend -- James Taylor, a 'relative' unknown at the time. this >of course, wouldn't be the case two years later. > > >here's the SetList for the 'original' UK Broadcast: > > JONI (Solo) > > 1. That Song About The Midway > 2. The Gallery > 3. HUNTER > 4. RIVER > 5. MY OLD MAN > 6. The Priest > 7. Carey (w/an extended INTRO/STORY) > > JONI w/James Taylor > > 8. A CASE OF YOU > 9. California > 10. For Free > 11. The Circle Game > 12. You Can Close Your Eyes > > >this was a 60-minute program with Joni performing alone for the >first 30-minutes. James doesn't appear until 'A Case Of You'. >he then accompanies Joni on four songs until the program closes >with their duet on his 'You Can Close Your Eyes'. > >this program is often 'mistakenly' listed as a concert broadcast >recorded at Royal Festival Hall on 10-29-70. > >in 1972 a number of these BBC 'In Concert' programs were syndicated by >the BBC for broadcast on American radio stations. this concert was >included. interestingly, it was re-edited with a different song order, >a new introduction and also included songs not used in the original UK >broadcast. > >these songs (ALL CAPs) are unique to each broadcast version. > >here's how the BBC Transcription Service described the concert in the >publicity sheet that accompanied the Transcription Disc sent to radio >stations. > > "Recently, Canadian star JONI MITCHELL agreed to do a live > 'In Concert' broadcast for the BBC. When she turned up to > do the show she brought along a friend to help out a little. > The friend just happened to be JAMES TAYLOR and a tremendous > and unique show was recorded -- two internationally acclaimed > artists for the price of one, and an unforgettable evening > for everyone." > > >here's the SetList for the American broadcast: > > BBC TRANSCRIPTION SERVICE > (Recording #CN 1485/S) > > JONI MITCHELL > > 1. That Song About The Midway > 2. The Gallery > > James Taylor > > 3. RAINY DAY MAN > 4. STEAMROLLER BLUES > > JONI MITCHELL > > 5. The Priest > 6. Carey > > James Taylor > > 7. CAROLINA ON MY MIND > > JONI MITCHELL & James Taylor > > 8. California > 9. For Free > 10. The Circle Game > 11. You Can Close Your Eyes > > >this program has been widely Bootleged over the years, >*always* with inferior sound. > >one of the main purposes for the JMDL TapeTrees is to obviate >the need of our members purchasing this overpriced product. > >this concert was made available to JMDL members as part of TapeTree #2, >the first of six that i've Seeded from my own collection. > >the source was my 'personal' copy of a BBC Transcription Disc, >the same LPs sent to radio stations back in 1972. the 4-songs >unique to the UK broadcast were included (from a tape-source). > > >here are the contents of TapeTree #2: > > >TapeTree #2 > >----------------------------- > Cassette #1, Side #1: C-110 >----------------------------- > >JONI MITCHELL >BBC Radio 1 'In Concert' w/James Taylor >Paris Theatre Studios >London, England (recorded Dec. 1970) >Dec. 20, 1970 (Broadcast Date) > > >BBC TRANSCRIPTION SERVICE >(Recording #CN 1485/S) > > JONI MITCHELL > > 1. That Song About The Midway > 2. The Gallery > > James Taylor > > 3. Rainy Day Man > 4. Steamroller Blues > > JONI MITCHELL > > 5. The Priest > 6. Carey > > James Taylor > > 7. Carolina On My Mind > > JONI MITCHELL & James Taylor > > 8. California > 9. For Free > 10. The Circle Game > 11. You Can Close Your Eyes > >----------------------- > Cassette #1, Side #2: >----------------------- > >BBC Radio 1 'In Concert' w/James Taylor >Paris Theatre Studios >London, England (recorded Dec. 1970) >Dec. 20, 1970 (Broadcast Date) > > >'Aircheck' Tape Source > > JONI MITCHELL > > 12. Hunter > 13. River > 14. My Old Man > > JONI MITCHELL & James Taylor > > 15. A Case Of You > > JONI MITCHELL > > 16. Carey (w/an extended INTRO/STORY) > > >JONI MITCHELL >NPR Studios >Washington, DC >May 28, 1995 > > Interview w/'Live' performances > > 17. Sunny Sunday > 18. Loves Cries > 19. The Three Great Stimulants > > 20. Man From Mars > (from *withdrawn* GRACE OF MY HEART Soundtrack) > >------------------------------ > Cassette #2, Side #1: C-100 >------------------------------ > >'Intimate & Interactive' > MuchMusic TV Studios > Toronto, Ontario > Sept. 23, 1994 > > 1. Sex Kills > 2. Moon At The Window > 3. Magadalene Laundries > 4. Hejira > 5. Cherokee Louise > 6. Night Ride Home > 7. The Crazy Cries Of Love > 8. The Fishbowl (a Poem) > 9. Just Like This Train > 10. Happiness Is The Best Facelift > >----------------------- > Cassette #2, Side #2: >----------------------- > >The NIGHT RIDE HOME Radio Program >Words & Music From JONI MITCHELL >GEFFEN #GEFD-9143 >Canadian Promo CD, 1991 > > 1. Introduction > 2. MUSIC: Come In From The Cold / The Only Joy In Town > 3. MUSIC: Cherokee Louise / Nothing Can Be Done > 4. MUSIC: Night Ride Home / Two Grey Rooms > 5. MUSIC: Slouching Towards Bethlehem > ----------------------------------- > >Joni Discusses the use of the Fairlight Synthesizer on the >'NIGHT RIDE HOME' album. >"I Wrote on the liner notes ... under my supervision." > >Joni talks about why she feels that an album is the modern >day equivalent of the symphony. >"See i see the album ... is a part of the music." > >Joni discloses that in the recording studio, she likens >role as producer to that of a film director. >"Well a lot of it is ... and Scottish lilt." > >Joni discusses a touching moment in England with one of her fans. >"The critics have not been ... not out on a limb, i'm out on a limb." > >Joni reveals how she came to write the song "Cherokee Louise" >from the 'NIGHT RIDE HOME' album. >"Cherokee Louise came to me ... song doesn't even cover that." > >Joni talks how she's come to terms with people still referring >to her as a folksinger. >"I've done something ... everything is folk music." >____________________________________________________ > > >Evian, > >i hope this answers your question. > >i bet if you make a request here on the JMDL ... one of the Branches >from TT#2 will contact you and offer to spin dubs for you. > > >yours in friendship. > > >for now ~ take care, > >------- > simon >------- >****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 21:02:37 -0500 From: "Michael Bird" Subject: TTT artwork, your answers I'm only on "Joni Digest" so it'll be another day before I see any other responses to this ... thanks for the info, guys ... Stephen, an Upper West Sider like me, guesses Central Park, Jamie says Saskatoon, but I'm putting my money on the Edmontonian's answer!! (Edmontoner? Edmontonite?) And apologies to Canadians everywhere for assuming the mighty North Saskatchewan river was merely a lake ... here in my smelly urban tenement castle, a dog-walking route in Edmonton sounds like instant bliss ... Nickel Chief - ---------- >From: John Downes >To: mbirdny@earthlink.net >Subject: TTT artwork >Date: Sun, Jul 9, 2000, 6:28 PM > > Hi Michael and all, > > The picture you are referring to is titled "Edmonton". I know this > because I went and saw it at the Mendel and have it in the catalogue. > Then again, I also recognize the city scape because I live in Edmonton. > The place the picture is showing is on my regular dog walking route, > near a place where the dogs often swim in the summer time. By the way, > that isn't a lake. It is the North Saskatchewan River which flows > through Edmonton on its way to Hudson's Bay. > > As for the identity of the man, who knows. Actually, I wish the profile > wasn't in the picture at all. > > Finally, I think that the original picture on which this painting is > based must have been taken when Joni played here for our summer folk > fest. I saw her there and it was magic! First time she had performed > in Canada in years. On a clear and warm summer night, out in a > beautiful park, Joni opened with "Night Ride Home". I was in ecstasy! > > -John in Edmonton > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:06:08 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Songs For & About JONI (a comment) Bob writes > >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >Subject: songs for and about joni > ><< Does anyone know of other songs for or about Joni? ><> > >There aren't any conclusive lists that I've seen, Bob. As for CD's, >we could add these into the "Covers & Contributions" series. Whaddya >think, gang? Personally, I'm not in favor of it, but I'm open to >discussion... > there actually is a list. unfortunately it's one of those things that somehow fell between the cracks. for a number of reasons Wally and I never did get around to posting it to However, it has been the subject of previous threads and posted to the list on several occasions. perhaps it predates your membership. I also would NOT add these to the current "Covers Series". they are (in fact) a seperate collection in their own right *as are* the "Contributions" (albums Joni appears on, other than her own). it's long been my intention to eventually Tree both of these compilations and I DO have the recordings in question. > >Then there's "Song For Joni" by Sonic Youth, but I >don't see any evidence that it's about OUR Joni. > Correct! it isn't about Joni Mitchell. > >RickieLee1@aol.com wrote: >> tangled up in blue is about joni mitchell? >> news to me. enlighten please! how interesting. >> ...ric > news to me too. also untrue. (read the lyrics). for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:08:17 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Songs For & About JONI (The List) well folks -- here's the list of JONI MITCHELL related songs. actually -2- seperate lists that perhaps should be combined. 1. SONGS About (or inspired by) JONI MITCHELL 2. SONGS That Mention JONI (or one of her songs) there IS one ommission (possibly 2). earlier today Deb Messling wrote (regarding P.M. Dawn): >I'm 80% certain they also sampled "Sweet Bird" on some record or other. if anyone can confirm this and identify the Album, i'll have a friend send it to me. another song is from the "CRYSTAL BALL" set by Prince. i neglected to add it to the list when the CDs were released and right now i can't find my notes and don't remember which song it is and frankly don't have time to go searching thru a 5-CD set. in any event ... the list is below. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- SONGS About (or inspired by) JONI MITCHELL Atlantic #19117-2, 1969 CROSBY, STILLS & NASH "1st LP" Guinnevere Atlantic #82649-2, 1970 CROSBY, STILLS, NASH & YOUNG "Deja vu" Our House Atlantic #7204-2, 1971 GRAHAM NASH "Songs For Beginners" Simple Man Warner Bros #2561-2, 1971 JAMES TAYLOR "Mudslide Slim & The Blue Horizon" Love Has Brought Me Around Atlantic CD #82638-2, 1971 LED ZEPPELIN "Led Zeppelin IV" Going To California Concert Recording / Bakersfield, CA., 1-20-73 NEIL YOUNG "(Unreleased) Live Performance" Sweet Joni Cadet #CA-50044, 1973 DAVE VAN RONK "Songs To Ageing Children" Song For Joni Columbia #CK-47120, 1973 ERIC ANDERSON "Stages: The Lost Album" It's Been A Long Time Asylum #7E 1017-2, 1974 JACKSON BROWNE "Late For The Sky" Fountain Of Sorrow MCA Records #MCAD-31251, 1975 DAVID CROSBY/GRAHAM NASH "Wind On The Water" Mama Lion Warner Bros #BS-2890, 1975 RONEE BLAKELY "Welcome" She Lays It On The Line Bearsville #6961, 1975 TODD RUNDGREN's UTOPIA "Another Live" The Wheel Flying Fish #FF243, 1980 SIMON & BARD "Musaic" Song For Joni Mitchell MCA #25439-2, 1980 NIK KERSHAW "Radio Musicola" Radio Musicola GeeStreet #63881-32510-2, 1993 P.M. DAWN "The Bliss Album...?" The Ways Of The Wind GeeStreet #314-524-147-2, 1995 P.M. DAWN "Jesus Wept" Forever Damaged (The 96th) Virgin Records CD #7243-8-44762-2-9, 1997 JANET JACKSON: "THE VELVET ROPE Got 'Til It's Gone (Featuring Q-Tip & Joni Mitchell) - ------------------------------------------------------------ SONGS That Mention JONI (or one of her songs): Bell #1123, 1973 MELISSA MANCHESTER "Home To Myself" Home To Myself One Way Records #A22673, 1974 FLO & EDDIE "Illegal, Immoral & Fattening" Kama Sutra Time Rhino Records #72263, 1973-'75 "The Best Of The National Lampoon Radio Hour" You Put Me Thru Hell (Joni Mitchell Parody) Fogerty's Cove Music #FCM 001D, 1978 STAN ROGERS "Turnaround" So Blue Paisley Park #9 25577-2, 1987 PRINCE "Sign '0' THE TIMES" The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker Island #422-842 319-2, 1990 KEVIN KINNEY "MacDougal Blues" MacDougal Blues Atlantic #82322-2, 1991 EVERYTHING BUT THE GIRL "Worldwide" Frozen River Creative #LP-072, 1991 FLUKE "The Techno Rose Of Blighty" Joni Epitaph Records #86430, 1993 SNAFU "Something Green And Leafy This Way Comes" Joni Mitchell Tapes GeeStreet #32510, 1993 P.M. DAWN "The Bliss Album...? Looking Through Patient Eyes Reprise #9 45608-2, 1994 LUKE BLOOM "Turf" To Begin To Earthbeat #9 42564-2, 1994 FERRON "Driver" Maya Kill Rock Stars #KRS-238, 1995 MARY LOU LORD "Self-Titled EP" His Indie World Reprise/Maverick #45901-2, 1995 ALANIS MORISSETTE "Jagged Little Pill Your House - ------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:13:19 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: JONI Contributions (Others' Albums) JONI MITCHELL Misc. Recordings Updated Version ~ compiled by please contact me with any additions or corrections. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1969 Reprise #PRO-336 (released 1970) THE 1969 WARNER-REPRISE RECORD SHOW My American Skirt (0:40 spoken song intro) Spoony's Wonderful Adventure (0:40 spoken song intro) recorded at Carnegie Hall: Feb. 1, 1969 - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1970 Essential CD #EDF CD 327 (UK) MESSAGE TO LOVE: THE ISLE OF WIGHT FESTIVAL - 1970 Big Yellow Taxi Woodstock festival dates: August 26-30, 1970 (video release) - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1971 Warner Bros. #2561-2 JAMES TAYLOR: "MUD SLIDE SLIM & THE BLUE HORIZON" Love Has Brought Me Around You've Got A Friend Long Ago And Far Away recorded & mixed: Jan. 3 thru Feb. 28, 1971 Ode #EK-34946 CAROL KING: "TAPESTRY" Will You Love Me Tomorrow The MITCHELL-TAYLOR Boy and Girl Choir Atlantic #7203-2 DAVID CROSBY: "IF I COULD ONlY REMEMBER MY NAME" Laughing What Are Their Names recorded & mixed: Nov. 1970 thru Spring 1971 A&M #SP 4309 SEEMON & MARIJKE: "SON OF AMERICA" Vegetable Stew - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1972 Columbia #CK-31062 ERIC ANDERSON: "BLUE RIVER" Blue River Reprise #MS 2055 JIMMY WEBB: "LETTERS" Simile - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1973 Atlantic #7288-2 GRAHAM NASH: "WILD TALES" Another Sleep Song back cover painting by Joni Mitchell Asylum #SD 5067-2 JACKSON BROWNE: "FOR EVERYMAN" Sing My Songs To Me electric piano (only) Asylum #SD 5062 ROD TAYLOR: "SELF-TITLED" Making A Way Something Old - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1974 Epic #KE 32837 PAUL HORN: "VISIONS" Blue vocal & piano Ode #EK 64960 TOM SCOTT & THE L.A. EXPRESS: "TOM CAT" Love Poem Asylum #SD 5070 JIMMY WEBB: "LANDS END" Feet In The Sunshine A&M #828 393 614-2 JOAN BAEZ: "GRACIAS A LA VIDA" Dida - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1975 Asylum #7E 1043 David Blue: "COM'N BACK FOR MORE" Lover, Lover, Lover Arista #AL 4033 Eric Anderson: "BE TRUE TO YOU" Liza, Light The Candle Woman, She Was Gentle Can't Get You Out Of My Life The Blues Keep Fallin' Like The Rain Love Is Just A Game A&M #CD 3233 JOAN BAEZ: "DIAMONDS & RUST" Dida - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1976 Caribou Records #34355 L.A. EXPRESS: "SHADOW PLAY" Nordic Winds cover painting by Joni Mitchell Warner Bros. #3146-2 THE BAND: "THE LAST WALTZ" Helpless (Neil Young w/Joni Mitchell, backup vocal) Coyote I Shall Be Released (backup vocal) recorded on November 25, 1976 (released on Video & LaserDisc) - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1981 Full Moon/Epic #E2K 37393 DAN FOGELBERG: "THE INNOCENT AGE" Nexus vocal descant - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1985 Polygram #824 822-2 NORTHERN LIGHTS: "WE ARE THE WORLD" LP Tears Are Not Enough recorded on Feb. 10, 1985 Columbia #CK 40052 JAMES TAYLOR: "THAT'S WHY I'M HERE" Only One - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1986 RCA #PCD1-7196 DARYL HALL: "THREE HEARTS IN THE HAPPY ENDING MACHINE" Right As Rain - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1989 Pyramid Records #R2-71830 VARIOUS ARTISTS: "EARTHRISE, The RAINFOREST ALBUM" Spirit Of The Forest 12" & CD Singles released by Virgin A&M #CD 5257 INDIO: "BIG HARVEST" Big Harvest Hard Sun My Eyes - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1990 A&M Records #75021 5289-2 DAVID BAERWALD: "BEDTIME STORIES" Liberty Lies Mercury #846 611-2 ROGER WATERS: "THE WALL - LIVE IN BERLIN 1990" Goodbye Blue Sky The Tide Is Turning recorded on July 21, 1990. (released on Video & LaserDisc) - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1992 Columbia CD #CK 47122 SHAWN COLVIN: "FAT CITY" Object Of My Affection percussion, claps & a great big laugh - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1994 ZTT/Sire/Warner Bros. #9 45415-2 SEAL: "SELF-TITLED" If I Could Mammoth Records #MR0107-2 Rare On Air: Volume 2 Live Sessions From KRCW's 'Morning Becomes Eclectic' Just Like This Train recorded on Sept. 12, 1994 - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1996 MCA #MCAD-11510 GRACE OF MY HEART: (SOUNDTRACK) Man From Mars unauthorized? release, recalled and withdrawn from sale. Joni Mitchell: Vocal MCA #MCAD-11554 GRACE OF MY HEART: (SOUNDTRACK) Man From Mars Kristen Vigard: Vocal w/Joni Mitchells' backing track. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1997 Virgin Records CD #7243-8-44762-2-9 JANET JACKSON: "THE VELVET ROPE Got 'Til It's Gone (Featuring Q-Tip and Joni Mitchell) - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1998 Columbia CD #68013 KYLE EASTWOOD: "FROM THERE TO HERE" Trouble Man Verve CD #VERCD-37 HERBIE HANCOCK: "GERSHWIN'S WORLD" The Man I Love Summertime VARIOUS ARTISTS: "STORMY WEATHER" (Benefit CD) Benefit Concert For The Walden Woods Project & The Thoreau Institute Promo CD released by: A T & T Stormy Weather recorded on April 16, 1998, released 1999 RCA #09026-68968-2 The CHIEFTAINS: "TEARS OF STONE" The Magdalene Laundries recorded on June 27, 1998, released 1999 - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1999 Blue Note #7243-5-23571-2-3V BRIAN BLADE FELLOWSHIP: "PERCEPTUAL" Steadfast Released on April 11, 2000 - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To be TreeD this fall. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 21:29:41 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Joni: video clip of the day on vhi.com Hey! If this is a repeat, I haven't run across it before, so... on the vh1 website, their "must see video" of the day is a clip of an interview with Joni! There are four of 'em, in streaming video (you can choose to watch either Quicktime or the Windows Media Player format). She talks about, so help us all, Both Sides Now (;D) and singing with an orchestra. If you're bonkers enough to want to see Joni listed for the video of the day, go to http://www.vh1.com ...otherwise, you get to the Joni vids menu quicker if you use this URL: http://www.vh1.com/sounds.visions/vh1.0/ Cheerz, Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, one of whom got a haircut today - -------------- You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire You've got to spread your light like blazes All across the sky Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:44:22 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs For & About JONI (The List) SJC Dear Simon, Thank you for posting this. I didn't join the list until May of this year, so this is all news to me. (Even the basic stuff, like "Fountain of Sorrow" and "Our House.") One of the artists who really jumped out of the list for me was Ronee Blakely. I haven't thought of her in years, but I remember now that she was part of the Rolling Thunder Review with Joni, Dylan, Baez, etc., when it arrived in Cambridge, Massachusetts in the mid-seventies. Ronee had just appeared in the Robert Altman film "Nashville" and was poised for stardom at the time. She sang "You Might Say That I Ain't Free, But It Don't Bother Me" at the end of the movie, after the populist presidential candidate was shot. (Sorry to ruin the movie for anyone, but it is 25 years old.) Poor Ronee... I don't think I've heard of her in since. I wonder if she wrote "She Lays It On The Line" after being on the road with Joni. You guys are great. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:49:03 PDT From: "c Karma" Subject: Saskatoon Magic Hi folks, I thought it was time I introduced myself to y'all. I've made a couple of pithy posts but haven't had the time to formally join the proceedings. I'm CC, and yes, I attended the opening of "voices" at the Mendel in Saskatoon. My trip was a 36 hour blockbuster that ranks near the top of my list (my wedding and the birth of my children not withstanding). Meeting many of the JMDListers at lunch on Saturday, visiting the gallery and reception and sharing a fraternity style ride out for dinner with them following the festivities were fantastic experiences I'll never forget. Since the kids are out doing a firefly dance now I thought I'd steal a moment to tell you about my own special magic moment from the opening. And no, Joni was not there. I'm, um, a little compact. The gallery was extremely crowded for the "private" reception and it was impossible for my 5'6" frame to see beyond the crowd to the people making their speeches and the persons to whom they referred. Later after the first round of speeches were completed and the crowd repaired to the tent for refreshments before the public opening, I remained behind as did Jim Johanson and many of the JMDListers. We toured the gallery together and discovered and shared many details about the paintings and stories and even met Joni and her friends. If that wasn't magic enough, I made a solo visit to the section of the gallery where the portrait of Charles Valentino and the painting "In the Park of the Golden Buddha" (I formerly called it , "Portrait of the Artist and a Young Buck") hang adjacent to one another. I was musing to myself how "In The Garden of the Golden Buddha" seemed sadder and more tense in three dimensions than I'd expected, noting again the lone figure next to the tree at right. An older man sidled up to me and asked,"Some show, eh?" "And HOW!" I replied. "How about this one?" he gestured toward "Buddha." I began to gush about how awed I was by seeing the paintings live and how completely impressed I am with Joni's visual art, at her success at such a great breadth of style and subject. "Just look," I said, "portraits, still lifes, figuratives, landscapes, photos AND abstract expressionism! Just amazing." "Well," he qualified, "she's been at it a long time. She's been drawing ever since she was 5. I'm her father." You could have knocked me over with a feather. "WELL, CONGRATULATIONS!" I reached for his hand which he extended unhesitatingly. Bill Anderson was the absolute highlight of my evening. It was no small feat to upstage a gallery full of Joni Mitchell's art with the artist present, but he did so. We spoke only for a few minutes, mostly about how Joni was always drawing as a child. I asked him how he enjoyed watching her talent unfold over the years, and what it felt like to foster so great a talent, to get phone calls telling him about a newly finished painting. We talked about how Joni feels about the prospect of selling her work and the fact that she'd been offered a substantial sum (I didn't ask) for one painting in particular. His friendliness and hospitality made me feel so at ease even to the point of sharing some pictures of my family with him. Even on this important night for his family he was taking the time to say nice things about MY children, Amelia (yeah, yeah) and Nic. If I have one wish for Joni, it's for her to know just how proud Bill Anderson was of his daughter that night. After meeting him, it's suddenly so clear why Joni is so special. Bill's spirit is THAT BIG! I'm happy to say that after meeting him, I didn't want to stay in Saskatoon. I wanted to get home to my family since somehow, I felt I'd just learned how to be a better father. Thanks, Bill. I've been having a blast reading all the recollections of the show's opening weekend. I think I'm going to enjoy corresponding with the PWLJ (People Who Love Joni) that use the JMDL. It's my pleasure to meet you. I've sent some material to JoniMitchell.com on a couple of occasions. Thanks to Jim Johanson, my most recent is the "official" report of the 5/23 MSG New York show. If you'd like to check it out, go to the site and scroll down to the date, 6/4/00 and follow the link. Let me know what you think. CC "I love hats, they keep the head warm."-- CC (apologies if not original) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 02:10:49 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: top five Night Ride Home Court and Spark Shadow and Light Hejira Miles of Aisles . . . . if I were forced to do the list today. This island better have a great stereo system!!! Oh, and a turntable!!!!! Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:46:25 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: The First Two Hours in S'toon <> Pat, I hate to say, I forgot one stack of things I meant to take to S'toon at home. Another tribute T-shirt (I gave to Rob, my husband's shirt since Rick had another one waiting at home), a half dozen tribute postcards I was going to give away, and your information. <> She remembered you by name alone. I didn't have to describe what you did or the club. <> Pat, I didn't mention them. I haven't seen them post. Here's part of the thing, I was going through the digest archives awhile back looking for something, and ran across posts where people were giving you shit, calling you a liar and such. It angered me to see how nasty people can be out of what looked to me like envy. I decided to take on your plight since I was going to the opening -- your reputation became one of my top priorities in S'toon. I was thrilled to have it accomplished in just the first couple of hours!!! <> Pat, to be completely honest here, maybe it's paranoia, maybe it's sensitivity, but even though Joni didn't convey it in words or even expression, I sensed an immediate "oh brother, another one who's going to try to get close to me through name dropping." I've made lots of observations over the last few years at how desperate some Joni fans can be to get near her. I'm becoming very sensitive to how people scheme or hound her....or any celebrity, for that matter. Truly, in this situation, she was going into the gallery for her reasons and I didn't want to detain her long, I just wanted to take care of one of my S'toon priorities since I didn't have to be pushy or intrusive to do it, extend well wishes and be outta there. Like I said before, my mind started racing and Joni things tend to stick in my head -- knowing that she never sought her *celebrity* and recalling her telling a Sandra Dee story from when she was a kid, recently hearing another little tidbit on KINK about how she perfers Christmas to birthdays so she's not the center of attention, and a mention in the press of her being nervous about the exhibit opening -- I just wanted to fulfill a promise and not bug her. I hope, if she even thought about it, that since I didn't ask for anything, an autograph, a picture, a handshake, a hug or whatever, and that I was the one to end the encounter, she realized I was sincere in simply passing on your "hi". <> I'm sorry Pat, I didn't have them with me. I feel bad about that, but on the other hand, if I had you would be more likely to be disappointed if she didn't contact you. In the same vein, that was one of the reasons why I didn't give her more info on myself (hotel, room number), when I signed the note I attached to her shirt. Didn't want to make it look like contact was expected, ya know? That woman must get a ton of requests for her time, etc!! If she wants to track any of us down, she could do so easily through Les. Haha, do we all give Les permission to give Joni our email addys? ;-) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #285 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?