From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #271 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, June 30 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 271 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! [Jason Long ] Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: An invitation to Joni ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! ["Helen M. Adcock" ] THIS JUST IN! URGENT!!!! ["Michael Paz" ] Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! [Catherine McKay ] Re: CD Trading-Bob Rocks... ["Alison Einerson" ] Joni Programs ["Alison Einerson" ] welcome, Soul Drifter [mbirdny@earthlink.net] Re: welcome, Soul Drifter [Don Rowe ] Re: CD Trading-Bob Rocks... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Spoony's Wonderful Adventure? [Steve Dulson ] Re: THIS JUST IN! URGENT!!!! ["Kakki" ] Re: An invitation to Joni ["Kakki" ] Re: welcome, Soul Drifter [Buckingham Baby ] Joni's Jackson Brown song [kbythebay ] Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song [kbythebay ] Joni + others going cheap in the UK [Jason Maloney ] GREETINGS FROM SASKATOON! (Very Long) [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] email address change [Phyliss Ward ] Re: GREETINGS FROM SASKATOON! (Very Long) [FMYFL@aol.com] Just like this train ? ["James Phillips" ] Re: GREETINGS FROM SASKATOON! (Very Long) ["Kakki" ] Not to Blame, too long and (SJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Fwd: [jonisaskatoon] Fill me in? [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Joni Programs ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: An invitation to Joni ["Helen M. Adcock" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:39:57 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! Paige wrote: >> So you're new to Joni. so I'm assuming you don't >> have ALL of her records yet? >> >Nope, not even close. I have a couple on LP, a couple >on CD and a couple 45s. It's great, cause I have a >whole bunch of new stuff to discover. >Any recommendations? First of all, welcome to the list, Paige. Just curious, is this the same Paige I know from the Aimee Mann and Liz Phair lists? I noticed in your first post that you mentioned them as other favorites. If so, it's good to cross paths with you again! In terms of Joni recommendations, I wholeheartedly recommend _For the Roses_ if you don't already own it. It was the Joni record that got me hooked initially and even after owning it for maybe seven or eight years now, I never tire of it and still hear new things with each listen. _Blue_ is also essential -- to me, it's to Joni what _Exile in Guyville_ is to Liz Phair. It carries a similar feel of immediacy and introspection, the arrangements are sparse and the lyrics carry the same weight of honesty and directness. _Hejira_ is also another favorite of mine -- in my opinion, "Amelia" is perhaps the best song Joni's written, and "Blue Motel Room" is one of my favorite vocal performances of hers. I do tend to prefer Joni's lower voice overall, so I'm also a big fan of more recent albums like _Night Ride Home_ and _Turbulent Indigo_, which are also more appealing to me musically/production-wise than some of her '80s work. No matter what, though, all of Joni's albums contain solid songwriting and playing and each have at least a few essential gems, so you really can't go wrong with any of them. The _Hits_ and _Misses_ collections don't represent Joni's catalogue as well as they could, in my opinion, but they may also be worth picking up as an overview and a way of sampling the various periods of Joni's career. Cheers, Jase NP: The Replacements, _Tim_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu Jun 29 07:49:01 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! <> Boy, Jason hit the nail on the head with his post. That's the good news - you can't go wrong with ANY of them. All I ask is that you post your impressions after you pick them up. As far as my personal faves, I think the Hissing - Hejira - Don Juan combo is the best threepeat in recording history! Bob <> Great NP, Jase! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:55:40 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: An invitation to Joni Mary wrote (about the invitation issued by David to Joni): >David then included information about how to contact him. > >SO--the invitation is extended. And we shall see! I'm in two minds about this. On one hand, I'd love for as many jimdlers as possible to meet Joni, and on the other hand, I'm jealous as hell that I can't be there, almost to the point of "well, if I can't go, then no one should be allowed to"! Seriously though, I hope this comes together - what a day you'll have if she accepts! And what a great idea! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:01:28 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! Paige wrote: >I'll just talk Lindsey (and Mac) any time of the day >or night! Welcome to the list - I'm sure you'll love it here. And it doesn't matter when you started listening, or how much Joni you have, just the fact that you're here is enough! Yay! Another FM fan! Although I tend to be more of a Stevie fan (just) than Lindsay, but I still love his work. And don't get Nicki and Evian started on Stevie vs. Lindsay - I can see the wars starting already ;o) >> So you're new to Joni. so I'm assuming you don't >> have ALL of her records yet? >> >Nope, not even close. I have a couple on LP, a couple >on CD and a couple 45s. It's great, cause I have a >whole bunch of new stuff to discover. >Any recommendations? I'd recommend Miles of Aisles and Shadows and Light. Both are extraordinarily good live albums, and give you a taste of lots of songs from several quite different albums. Other than that, take your pick. They're all good, so you can't really go wrong! Hell NP: Shona Laing - Hard and Fast _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:34:02 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: THIS JUST IN! URGENT!!!! Hello gang- I have been contacted by American Songwriter Magazine for information and fotos about JoniFest2000 New Orleans. I have NOT received too many fotos from attendees of the fest (only Kakki has sent stuff in so far). I am requesting that any attendees that have fotos of the performances at the Holwin' Wolf, please send them to me priority mail asap for consideration for publication in the magazine. Anyone who took digital fotos, you can send them to my michaelpaz@telocity.com address. Thank you very much and whoo-hooo. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:50:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (VLJC) Newbie on board! - --- Buckingham Baby wrote: > I have a couple on LP, a > couple > on CD and a couple 45s. It's great, cause I have a > whole bunch of new stuff to discover. > Any recommendations? All I can say to that is what Joni said: >Well there's a wide wide world of noble causes >And lovely landscapes to discover You are in for a treat! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:28:20 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: CD Trading-Bob Rocks... Oh man!!!!! Got the mail today, and with it came a fantastic!!! package from the best of the best BOB M, containing several Joni performances on disc along with a cd of the TNT tribute. I couldn't be more grateful. You truly are a prince among men. It is so nice to have something new to listen to! I am quite jealous of all the newer list members who have discoveries of their own to make of Joni recordings. Oh, to be able to hear Hejira again for the first time... I am signed on for Labor Day at Ashara's, and I look forward to meeting all that I have not met. Including the most excellent MUSIC SLUT!!! take care, alison e in slc np: "help me", by kd lang in all her barefoot, baggy dressed glory..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:34:52 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Joni Programs A big thanks to you, Hell, for sending the programs from the BSN tour ( I lost mine in a cab, i think...) all the way from NZ. I owe you one! Let me know when you are ready to collect! I am constantly amazed at the genuine kindness, community and love expressed by the members of this list. I am so grateful for my ability to associate with all of you. take care, alison e in slc np: sweet honey in the rock, "circle game" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:40:36 -0700 From: mbirdny@earthlink.net Subject: welcome, Soul Drifter It is infinitely exciting to me to imagine not yet having all the Joni albums ... each one a new and magical discovery. Don't miss out on: BLUE, HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS, HEJIRA, DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTER, TURBULENT INDIGO Save for last: WILD THINGS RUN FAST, DOG EAT DOG, MILES OF AISLES, SHADOWS & LIGHT (I brace myself for contrarian opinions!) I think the most important thing is to take your time discovering them all, let each one grow on you and attach itself to its own month/season/moment in your life. Don't get too many at once. But get them all eventually, so you can weigh in on our ongoing debates: what's the best album? the album with most effective uses of the word "the"? song with most opaque lyrics? song least appropriate for a Kathie Lee Gifford cover version? song best suited for Indonesian boat excursions? All these answers and more will be yours ... welcome! Nickel Chief P.S. And I thought I was the only person in the world with that Lindsay Buckingham solo album, OUT OF THE CRADLE ... - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: welcome, Soul Drifter - --- mbirdny@earthlink.net wrote: > Save for last: > WILD THINGS RUN FAST, DOG EAT DOG, MILES OF AISLES, > SHADOWS & > LIGHT (I brace myself for contrarian opinions!) > While I agree with saving the concert albums for last, I'd be remiss if I didn't take the opportunity to defend DED -- and also suggest saving MINGUS for very last. Sorry Mingus lovers ... just bein' careful here. > P.S. And I thought I was the only person in the > world with that > Lindsay Buckingham solo album, OUT OF THE CRADLE ... > You are actually one of 49,999 -- I am another. Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu Jun 29 12:56:21 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: CD Trading-Bob Rocks... <> Excuse me while I run away and wrestle with my great big ego...;~) Just so's you know, I wouldn't have ANYTHING if not for the generous folk who share it with me. The TNT you're enjoying was the labor of Steve Polifka, and it's a real gem to be sure! Glad you got the package, Alison - rock on! Bob (The slut formally known as prince) :~D NP: Allmans, "One Way Out", from Fillmore ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:46:09 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Spoony's Wonderful Adventure? Came across this in a press release: Clay Tyson is a Toronto based singer, guitarist and songwriter who happens to be the son of the legendary folk duo Ian & Sylvia. While he has been influenced by the musical world of his parents, Clay's music is all his own: earthy, rootsy music that draws on country, rock, and folk influences. So, would this be "Spoony"? - -- ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:12:43 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: THIS JUST IN! URGENT!!!! Paz wrote: > Hello gang- I have been contacted by American Songwriter >Magazine for information and fotos about JoniFest2000 New >Orleans. WHOOHOOOO!! This is fantastic news!! I can't wait to see it! C'mon you crack photographers who were there - let's flood them! Kakki NP: Carla Helmbrecht - Song to a Seagull - much thanks to Stephen (my review will follow later - this one is truly unf***ingbelievable!!! Paz, we must get her to perform at next year's Howlin Wolf gathering ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:22:00 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: An invitation to Joni Hell wrote: >On one hand, I'd love for as many jimdlers as >possible to meet Joni, and on the other hand, I'm jealous as >hell that I can't be there, almost to the point of "well, if I can't >go, then no one should be allowed to"! Ha! One of these days, Hell, we will either get you over here for an event or Joni just must visit NZ. I was happy to read David's note that everyone attending had been designated as a home page reporter. I know at least a few of the gang attending will have laptops and digital cameras with them and I can't wait for the news and especially for Evian's sure-to-be hilarious account of it all! To all the Saskatoonies - have the best time of your lives!! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:33:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Buckingham Baby Subject: Re: welcome, Soul Drifter Thank you to EVERYONE who has welcomed me aboard, this is certainly a nice place to be from what I've seen/heard so far! Thanks for all the tips. I'm making a record store run next week and I've got 15 LPs/CDs to find! paige- Jase: My buddy, my pal! It's so good to see you again, without seeing you. :) Nickel Chief: NOPE! No way!!!! What a great, eternally underrated album. Makes me sad, except for when I find cool people like you! > P.S. And I thought I was the only person in the > world with that > Lindsay Buckingham solo album, OUT OF THE CRADLE ... > > ===== "I keep the dream in my pocket never let it fade away..." Fleetwood Mac, "Tango in the Night" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:38:50 -0700 (PDT) From: kbythebay Subject: Joni's Jackson Brown song Hi from a newbie! I subscribed due to a question that's come up on another list I'm on. Can a few of you give me some insight into why Joni felt the need to write and record her song about Jackson Brown? What has been her "history" with him that she would comment in song on the much publicised accusations of abuse, and go a step further to speculate about his culpablity in his spouses death and the attitudes toward women he reflected to his young son--according to her song? Thanks very much if you can comment on this to help me understand the background and perhaps what Joni was trying to accomplished by putting this song "out there." (I'm on digest mode, so please post to me directly, thanks!) K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:10:21 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song Hello K. I'm curious as to what 'other' list are you on? I'll take a partial stab at this rather sticky subject. First of all, Joni has never admitted publicly that this song was about Jackson. In fact, when asked out right in an interview, she denied it saying it was about abuse of women in general, and went on to describe inspiration she got from a doctor targeted advertisement in a magazine. That said, the reference, even down to the music, is pretty obvious IMHO. Perhaps she hoped that the reference to Jackson would draw more attention to the song, and thus to the subject of abuse. Jackson himself believes the song is about him and was quoted in an interview as such. His take was something like "Joni is bitter because she is still in love with me after all these years". This I find ridiculous. After all, Joni was happily married for 10 years and still remains close friends with her ex. She has a current man in her life too (for quite a few years). It seems to me that if Joni feels anything towards Jackson, it is certainly not love. I have heard that Joni is a personal friend of Daryl Hannah. If so, this could be why she was so close to the story. She also toured with Jackson in the 70's, and there is speculation that they had a romantic relationship back then. Bottom line, Joni always hopes that her audience will listen to a song, not to know specifically who and what it is about to HER, but for what THEY get out of it to apply to their own lives. I think it's best to take this song in that context as well. Phyliss kbythebay wrote: > Hi from a newbie! I subscribed due to a question that's come up on another > list I'm on. Can a few of you give me some insight into why Joni felt the > need to write and record her song about Jackson Brown? What has been her > "history" with him that she would comment in song on the much publicised > accusations of abuse, and go a step further to speculate about his > culpablity in his spouses death and the attitudes toward women he reflected > to his young son--according to her song? Thanks very much if you can comment > on this to help me understand the background and perhaps what Joni was > trying to accomplished by putting this song "out there." (I'm on digest > mode, so please post to me directly, thanks!) > K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:56:19 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song I read somewhere that Browne called Joni a "bitter,violent" person.Does anyone the story behind that accusation? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:12:35 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song In a message dated 06/29/2000 5:59:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kbybay@earthlink.net writes: << Hi from a newbie! I subscribed due to a question that's come up on another list I'm on. Can a few of you give me some insight into why Joni felt the need to write and record her song about Jackson Brown? >> Hi K and welcome to the Joni list! Hopefully you'll stick around for more than just an answer to a question. There's a lot of people on this list with quite a variety of musical tastes, although we all have Joni in common. You should get a variety of answers to your Joni/Jackson Brown question and it's a good topic. If you want further info, you can always do a search at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/index.cfm Just type in "Brown" and you'll be able to read quite a few articles that have to do with Joni and Jackson. Thanks Les for creating this feature. I often forget that it's right at our finger tips. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:36:15 -0700 (PDT) From: kbythebay Subject: Re: Joni's Jackson Brown song At 08:12 PM 6/29/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Hi K and welcome to the Joni list! Hopefully you'll stick around for more >than just an answer to a question. There's a lot of people on this list with >quite a variety of musical tastes, although we all have Joni in common. >You should get a variety of answers to your Joni/Jackson Brown question and >it's a good topic. If you want further info, you can always do a search at > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/index.cfm >Just type in "Brown" and you'll be able to read quite a few articles that >have to do with Joni and Jackson. Thanks Les for creating this feature. I >often forget that it's right at our finger tips. > >Jimmy Thanks for your gracious welcome and the reference to the search URL, Jimmy. K. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~K By The Bay Steal a little and they throw you in jail, kbybay@earthlink.net Steal a lot and they make you king /| ~ Bob Dylan / |\ As longing becomes love, As night turns to day, /__|_\, Everything changes, Joy will find a way! ~~~\____/~~~~ ~ Bruce Cockburn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:42:38 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Joni + others going cheap in the UK For all the UK JMDL-ers out there, HMV are currently selling the entire Joni back-catalogue at 4.99-5.99 each, as well as BSN for 9.99. Even her Geffen/MCA albums are going for the same price. In fact, just about every Warner Bros. title appears to be included, or at least judging from what I saw todat in the Reading branch. Fleetwood Mac, Jackson Browne, Neil Young....anyone and everyone. Their sale titles aren't exclusively limited to Warner catalogue, and there are other great bargains to be found. If there are any *gaps* in your CD collections for these kind of artists, or if you haven't yet your replaced vinyl/cassette copies....THE TIME IS NOW!!!! :-) Jason, very pleased with his haul of Fleetwood Mac, Robert Plant, ZZ Top and er...Laura Branigan CDs for a fiver each ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:20:58 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NRH - 4th of July I am shortly leaving for heaven on earth (Comiskey Park if you didn't know) to see the White Sox and by the time I get back, it will too late to get much lead time on this, so... I am asking all musicians and everyone with musical equipment to play Night Ride Home on Tuesday, July 4 in memory of Wally Breese... "I love the man..." Thank you. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:12:18 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: GREETINGS FROM SASKATOON! (Very Long) Saskatoon cub reporter Coyote Rick here with an early report from the center of the universe for all Joni Mitchell (the painter) fans. Saskatoon is a lovely, gem of a city situated on the river. It carries the moniker of the "Bridge City," but this morning I also saw the word Hub City, which the shopowner told me is another name for Saskatoon. I like it here because you can walk everywhere! And I have... Okay, enough travelogue. On to the meat. It is a sunny day, warm and delightful. Mary and I met early afternoon at the Mendel to get the lay of the land. My fifteen minute walk from the hotel was interesting. There is a jazz festival also taking place with venues all over the city. Today's installment was in a park near a historic hotel sitting on the river's edge. I was in a hurry, so didn't get to stop and listen to the music, Mary was waiting. I waited for Mary in the foyer of the gallery. Although all except the gallery shop is closed until tomorrow evening, the gallery is ALL ABOUT JONI! When you walk in the door, in the foyer, as an appetizer, you see the oil that graced the cover of Wild Things Run Fast. It's huge - about ten foot in length, I would guess. It has a place of honor and definitely gets you in the mood for what's inside. Although the main gallery is tightly shuttered, I did get a peak inside as one of the workers held the door open and just stood there admiring the work. We have a real treat in store. It's beautifully displayed. I was happy to see Mary again. We last met at another joyous occasion, the Chicago BSN concert. We sat in the coffee shop of the gallery deciding which questions we would ask the gallery officials for the first post on the JMDL. Unannounced, we simply asked if we could speak to the communications director we had been communicating with via email. He was away for lunch, but his able assistant immediately came upstairs. Lovely and accommodating Natalie greeted us like old friends. "I am so happy you have made the trip. This is very exciting for us," were her first words. She then responded to our questions by telling us that tomorrow's festivities will begin with the Premier of Saskatchewan, Roy Romandow (sp?) will officially open the exhibit, followed by the mayor of Saskatoon, Henry Dayday. This will commence at 8:00 P.M. Joni and her parents will be there, of course, but it was still uncertain if Joni would speak. Earlier, at 3:00 P.M. will be a press conference, followed by a VIP reception at 6:00 P.M. The exhibit and gallery shop will open at 8:30P.M. A cool professional, she dodged my somewhat subtle hints for tickets to the reception. However, rumor has it that one website manager will be there. ;-) She then took us to see the area in which the reception will be held and explained traffic flow, etc. She said all will be accommodated since they are allowing 700 people at a time in the gallery. What a great person we met. Another note of interest. One long time employee of the gallery told me it has never been closed in his 25 years of employment! Our next stop was the gallery shop. BSN was playing on the sound system. A nice little shop with lots of the usual art books, cards, and gifts but also a fine collection of local pottery and art glass. The shopkeeper was delightful. They have (so far) a small table of Joni CDs (not all, CMIARS, WTRF, and -EGAD- DED were missing), the lyrics book is there, and the exhibit poster. The posters are the painting gracing the TI cover with Joni's signature across the top. Very nice. Memorabilia was printed in shockingly low production numbers. Only 4,000 posters were printed and 1,500 were used for exhibit promotions leaving only 2,500 for sale. The touted exhibit catalogues were not yet delivered! Again, there were only 4,000 printed. 1,000 were due today, with the remainder being delivered tomorrow. Just in time distribution I think it is called. They have the BSN front and back signed lithos, but they are very pricey - $450 Canadian signed and $300 Canadian unsigned! Mary and I marveled over the cover art of the Clouds CD which shows the Bessborough Hotel and the Saskatoon River. It's interesting to see them live while comparing them to the cover art. JM sure shows her roots. Although we strategically timed our visit to the Mendel to perhaps see Joni, no such luck. However, in a late breaking news item, it seems one of our traveling listmembers did have the honor at 3:15PM. I won't steal any thunder on that one. There have been a few other encounters. Last night, I had dinner with a guy I met through the Saskatoon discussion list. He is a musician with the Canadian military band (I know I screwed that up) and was playing throughout town all week. He met Joni in the elevator of her hotel yesterday afternoon. His band was playing in the park near her hotel and she commented that she liked their music, having heard it from her suite above. After he told her he knew about the gallery exhibit, she told him she was exhausted from helping set up the show, and just wanted to get back to rest. He said she was sweet and seemed otherwise happy. The shopkeeper at the Mendel said the same. That Joni seemed relaxed, although is self conscious about her art. She has been in and out of the gallery all week and loves walking along the river in her big, floppy hat. She also told the shopkeeper how much she was enjoying the concurrent jazz festival. Well, folks, there's more, but my fingers are tired and I am off to meet Mary for a walk around the Broadway district of town. We were turned on to this district by the ever helpful Natalie. Please forgive typos and poorly constructed sentences. No regrets, Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:16:37 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: email address change My email address has changed to pward@datacourse.com Please make a note of it.... ; - ) Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:40:24 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: GREETINGS FROM SASKATOON! (Very Long) In a message dated 06/29/2000 9:21:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AngelinoCoyote@aol.com writes: << Saskatoon cub reporter Coyote Rick here with an early report from the center of the universe for all Joni Mitchell (the painter) fans. >> Way to go Rick!!!! Thanks for the thorough update. We're all so glad you brought your laptop to keep the JMDL informed. Saskatoon sounds like a magical place, and I can't wait for the next report. Tell Joni how much we love her! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:16:06 EST From: "James Phillips" Subject: Just like this train ? Hey, I've got a ? for anyone that may know the answer. Who was Joni watching there hairline resede, my main darling, in Just like this train from Court and Spark? Thanks for any information, James ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:20:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: GREETINGS FROM SASKATOON! (Very Long) Jimmy wrote: > Way to go Rick!!!! Thanks for the thorough update. We're all so glad you brought your laptop to keep >the JMDL informed. Saskatoon sounds like a magical place, and I can't wait for the next report. Tell >Joni how much we love her! I second that emotion! Thank you Rick - it sounds like the magic has already started and there is lots more in store. I'm so seriously tempted to jump on a plane there tonight! Arrr ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:40:23 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Carla Helmbrecht Cover Bob wrote: > NP: Carla Hembrecht, "One For My Baby" (Yes, Kakki, this >is indeed a great one!) After hearing her album and jazz rendition of Song to a Seagull, I thought that maybe at some point we should vote on a top 10 or 20 of covers for the year. Some of the artists covering Joni are so outstanding, I think they should be specially recognized here. Carla interprets STAS exactly as I imagine Joni would re-do it in jazz style it with Shorter, Isham, Hancock, Klein and Blade. Listening to it, I had to keep reminding myself that they were not playing in the background - the Joni "sensibility" in this rendition is *that* strong. Amazing! Ever since Stephen tracked down this album he has been raving to me about it. I can't get enough of it - it just grows and grows on you. Without singling anyone out, I can immediately think of at least 30 jmdlers offhand who would LOVE Carla's album - you know who you are - you can't get enough of a beautiful female voice, you love all the old standards and you love intimate jazz ;-) I tried to learn more about her on the net and found her website is not currently accessible. But there were several other people with websites that listed her right next to Joni, Billie and Ella as the top! Also learned that she does a regular Friday and Saturday night gig at the Top of the Mark at the Mark Hopkins Hotel in San Francisco with her band "The Black Market Jazz Orchestra." I checked out her online reviews for the "One For My Baby" album and she received a raving, overall 5-star rating with one reviewer comparing her voice to a cross between Abby Lincoln and Betty Carter. This is really wonderful music and I hope some of you will check her out. I'm ready to go to San Fran to see her live! ;-) Kakki NP: Carla Helmbrecht - Love For Sale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:31:16 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Not to Blame, too long and (SJC) is that a valid designation up there listers? "sjc"? as in SOME joni content? i don't want to get those impatient reminders from anyone about the NJC. hey folks. my boss is in st. croix, ostensibly on business, (i get to go to the trailerpark capitals of america, he goes to st. croix. hmmmm) so what better time than to sit and think about joni's song from TI, "Not to Blame"? you know this one - the one about (whispering) jackson browne! and yes, i know, joni said it was just a composite and not meant to be "about" anyone in particular...which, in my heretical opinion, undoes the expression that "joni mitchell never lies..." this song is too about jackson browne, and if she is going to assassinate him, she ought to admit to it. i assume her denial is, somewhat understandably, based on a desire not to be sued for slander, or libel - whichever term would apply. but clearly, the song is about jackson browne, and what i find so stunning about it is how cruel it is. how supremely cruel. i cannot think of another song in all her body of work that is like it. this is joni mitchell! thinking of her as intentionally cruel is as difficult for me as it is to think of jackson browne as an abuser of women. forget the public face he displays and all the "chariable acts", which are many, and impressive. it is the lyrical content of his songs, and the sense of him that is dervived from that body of work - work that is often every bit as revealing and confessional as joni's - that makes it so hard to perceive him as a man plagued with those kind of impulses. i just can't see it. so joni's portrait of him doesn't add up. take a look at it with me. first of all, browne denies that he ever struck her. he says that had he been accused by hannah to the LA cops of beating her, they would not have left without arresting him. now we know that the LAPD are celebrity struck. but why would they be any less impressed with hannah's celebrity than browne's? secondly, hannah has never said, to my knowledge anyway, that browne hit her. the damning part, of course, is that she has not said he did NOT, but still, she has never said to anyone that browne struck her. the tabloids did. the tabloids, and join mitchell. "the beauty, with your fist marks on her face." pretty damning. did it provoke some moral outrage in joni that justified, in her heart and mind, that 3rd verse? the one that goes off the charts for cruelty? now as most everyone knows, browne's first wife committed suicide, leaving him with a young son to raise alone. a baby really. so consider what the impact these lines must have on browne, hearing them sung by someone he was once close to...thinking people hearing them now might believe them, or that his son, the one whose mother this is about, might hear them sung: "his mother had the frailty you despise, and the looks you love to drive to suicide." wow. anyone who has EVER lost someone they loved to suicide, knows that the guilt you feel as a survivor, justified or not, is enormous, even overwhelming, and sometimes, life changing. to have someone say that not only did you drive them to it, but you enjoyed it, pretty much takes one's breath away. it is nothing short of savage. does she have a mean streak a mile wide, this woman? even if every word of it was true, to say it now, decades later, publically and towards no end, makes me just shake my head in amazement...quite the same way i would if jackson browne were to write a song, 30 years later, about some hippie chick who cared more for her career than she did for the daughter she left by the side of the road? the tone of this song is off. it doesn't seem like joni to me. and it sure doesn't seem like jackson browne. interested in anyone else's thoughts. peace all, ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:09:12 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [jonisaskatoon] Fill me in? - --part1_30.72b2875.268d7768_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_30.72b2875.268d7768_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: SMEBD@aol.com Full-name: SME BD Message-ID: <13.7568b75.268d7471@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:56:33 EDT Subject: Re: [jonisaskatoon] Fill me in? To: jonisaskatoon@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Hi Rick and all JMDL'ers in Saskatoon! My lover Rusty and I were to have joined you all in Saskatoon, but the fates have conspired against us. We went to the airport this afternoon and learned that our flight to Toronto was canceled. In fact all flights were eventually canceled and there is no way that we can get to Saskatoon before late Saturday night. So after 6 hours at the airport, and after calling every airline and trying our best to get some airline official to feel sorry for us (we even said that we were definitely having lunch with Joni), we are back at home and have no place to go. We even thought that since we were at the airport and had taken time off from work, we would try to go to LA (a city we love) and get in touch with Kakki, etc., but our luck was sinking lower and lower. At any rate, our thoughts are with each and every one of you--we know that you are going to have a great time. I hope that the lunch with Joni comes thru, but even if it doesn't, I know that you will have the time of your lives. I hope that Rusty and I someday get the pleasure of meeting all of you. Hi to Joni! All the best, Stephen and Rusty PS If anyone can sneak a painting under a coat, I would be eternally grateful :-) - --part1_30.72b2875.268d7768_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:51:01 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni Programs Alison wrote: >A big thanks to you, Hell, for sending the programs from the BSN tour ( I >lost mine in a cab, i think...) all the way from NZ. I owe you one! Let me >know when you are ready to collect! Absolutely no problem at all! My pleasure in fact! >I am constantly amazed at the genuine kindness, community and love expressed >by the members of this list. I am so grateful for my ability to associate >with all of you. Boy, do I agree with this statement. I'm especially amazed by the generosity of one list member - who shall remain anonymous, but he knows who he is! I'm forever indebted. And to think I actually considered unsubbing! Where the hell was my head at! I LOVE it here! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:58:12 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: An invitation to Joni Kakki wrote: >Ha! One of these days, Hell, we will either get you over here for an event >or Joni just must visit NZ. I was happy to read David's note that everyone >attending had been designated as a home page reporter. I know at least a >few of the gang attending will have laptops and digital cameras with them >and I can't wait for the news and especially for Evian's sure-to-be >hilarious account of it all! I'm working on it! It won't be this year (I don't think) but maybe next year might be an option? Actually I'd rather Joni DIDN'T visit NZ, if it means I miss out on a trip to meet everyone! Oh, what am I saying?! I didn't mean it, really! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #271 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?