From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #262 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, June 23 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 262 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: what's the most happiest joni song? ["cassy" ] Re: Eminem, junk food for juveniles indeed! [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] Re: what's the most happiest joni song? [pat holden ] Re: Eminem, junk food for juveniles indeed! [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] Re: JACO / SHORTER [B Merrill ] Jimi loves Joni [susan+rick ] Re: Beat of Black Wings ["Beverly" ] MORE JACO [dave fairall / beth miller ] Re: Beat of Black Wings ["gene mock" ] Re: Beat of Black Wings [Phyliss Ward ] Joni Cheese rev-eiuuuuu! ["Kakki" ] Re: Possible Reason catman Is On Hiatus ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: what's the most happiest joni song? Ada Wittenberger asks: > "what's the most happiest joni song??????????? Morning Morgantown has to be up there among the happiest. At least it's a song that put me in a very good mood with Sunday brunch and made me want to wink at total strangers passing. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:36:10 -0400 (EDT) From: meg@ntplx.net Subject: Painting with Words I am totally new to the group here, but I asked Les if there was a CD of Joni's video "Painting with Words" and he told me to post here to get an "unofficial" cd of that performance. Glad I found this list and looking forward to the posts. Anyone who has a CD of this video - I would be in your debt!! Thanks- Marya ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:44:09 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: who described BSN show as too explicit? >And since Joni and I developed BSN as a "concept" >album tracing the "arc" of a love affair ... wouldn't >changing the order make it the "oblique angles" of a >love affair? Or something more radical ... the >"polygon" of a acquaintance? The "vectors" of a >friendship? Well, in that ol' romantic triangle, it's the hypotenuse, that gives us the blues... - -- Bruise M. PS Meanwhile, I'm still waiting, begging for the original post that described the BSN show as too explicit... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:51:25 +0100 From: "Steve Mitchell" Subject: Re: Assorted Joni Stuff on my Site Sorry Ken but for some reason the link that you gave for the Joni Tiles didn't work for me, I kept getting an error message. - -- Stevie - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken (slarty)" To: "JmDL" Sent: 22 June 2000 17:34 Subject: Assorted Joni Stuff on my Site > For those who haven't seen it I have an assortment of > Joni related stuff on my site including a Joni Art > Screen Saver Program, Joni Icons, a Joni Cursor, Joni > Midi Files and now a Joni Tileset for Kyodai Mahjongg > plus a link to download the game. > Programs are for Windows 95/98. > http://millennium.fortunecity.com/sherwood/452/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:04:10 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings According to the songbook, it's 'Johnny Angel' and apparently it's a fictitious character from a film..... Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 21 June 2000 Subject: Beat of Black Wings > I remember a while back there was a thread regarding > the "Beat of Black Wings." Did we ever resolve what > the lyrics are to the sections between verses in BoBW? > Something > like "Charlie Angel" ... > > Leslie > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:09:12 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: Eminem, junk food for juveniles indeed! In a message dated 6/22/00 12:51:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << Given Eminem's attitude toward women, gays, mothers, and mammals in general, I move that owning or buying one of his records would be grounds for immediate removal from this esteemed list. >> Well, I guess a few of us have to leave now...I didn't know there was a membership committee that reviewed music collections prior to our admission. They missed my house. I did hide any Kenny G or Kathie Lee CDs I had around - - just in case. Is there a published list of banned music on the JMDL web site? :-) With regrets, Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:21:23 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: what's the most happiest joni song? I think A Case of You is the happiest song...coupled with Court and Spark...for the same reason. Love does indeed come knocking at your door when you least expect it. Mags. np: A Map of the World Pat Metheny cassy wrote: > Ada Wittenberger asks: > > "what's the most happiest joni song??????????? > > Morning Morgantown has to be up there among the happiest. At least it's a > song that put me in a very good mood with Sunday brunch and made me want to > wink at total strangers passing. > > Cassy - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:26:02 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: Eminem, junk food for juveniles indeed! In a message dated 6/22/00 1:54:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: << But honestly, when we were young'uns, holed up in our rooms with our blacklight posters, listening to "The End", or "White Rabbit", "Helter Skelter" or the others ... did our folks find that every bit as shocking than this? >> Hi Don: That's why I am so amused by this discussion. ITS EXACTLY THE SAME THING!! Sure the words are more bizarre, even frightful, but I remember when my parents caught me with my first Jefferson Airplane album, which contained White Rabbit, they listened to it and my Dad said privately to my Mom at the dining room table, "Ruth, I think Rick has a drug problem and may want to be a hippie." True story. I overheard him from the hallway. "That album of his is all about drugs and hippie love," he said. They made me go talk to our priest ON A SATURDAY who later informed them I was OK and to let kids be kids. I was in elementary school (and aspired to DeMolay, not Haight-Ashbury at the time. I still tease him about it today. In fact, I am calling him tonight to tell him about this intriguing debate. This is all about time periods folks and perhaps, in some opinions, unsavory evolution. No regrets, Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:18:40 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: JACO / SHORTER Dave, I'd forgotten about Shorter's family sorrows... Hard to conceive of what that would be like... Hard to argue with that as a reason to go silent.... >My understanding is that Wayne has been keeping a very low profile, >{only a few duo dates w/ Herbie Hancock}, since his wife and daughter >perished in the TWA 800 explosion off the East Moriches Long Island >coast on July 17, 1996. As for Jaco, you're fortunate to have seen him perform. I never did. That scene of him of him on the street with his boom box, I read about it in _Jaco_. What a tragedy. As a Hissing fanatic, I was disappointed by Hejira: Jaco's singing lyric bass was the best thing on it for me. I'd never heard anything like it. And then he also had funk syncopation nailed (that was where he began), and Jazz harmony... He studied that same book of scales that Coltrane learned so much from. Bruce M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:23:18 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Jimi loves Joni Whilst delighting in a grande Orange Mocha Chip Frappacino ( it was a long bike ride to get there okay!) I came across this little gem in a review of the Experience Music Project (Museum) that opens in Seattle on Friday: Jimi Hendrix' diary entry dated March 19/20, 1968- "Arrived in Ottawa--beautiful hotel...strange people...beautiful dinner. Talked with Joni Mitchell on the phone. I think I'll record her tonight with my excellent tape recorder (knock on wood). Went down to the club to see Joni, fantastic girl with heaven words. We all got to party. OK, millions of girls....We left Ottawa city today. I kissed Joni goodbye." This apparently was before Joni became *big*. How did Hendrix find out about her? Who called whom? Did he get his bootleg recording and does it still exist? "Millions of girls"?? What did they have for breakfast? I'm agog. Rick in Belcarra ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:09:04 -0400 From: "Beverly" Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings Paul wrote: ><know who Charlie Angel is? Bob wrote: >It should also be noted that "Charlie" was the reference to the American Soldier, so Killer Kyle could in fact be Charlie Angel. I hate to dispute you, Bob - but "Charlie" was "Viet-Speak" or slang for a Vietcong soldier (the "enemy" at the time), not a reference to an American soldier. Other slang names for Vietcong soldiers were Victor Charles (VC), and Mr. Charles - Charlie for short. I've always thought that Joni was singing "Charlie Angel," and that it was a reference to all the American soldiers who were killed by "Charlie." Bev ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:35:40 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: MORE JACO Hey Bruce, Wayne's and Jaco's genius was never more evident then in Weather Report with Joe Zawinul, a band that really charted new territory. I saw Jaco w/ them 3 times, the first being in 1975 or 76 before he had recorded "Black Market". Just amazing, and Alphonzo "Slim" Johnson, who preceded him in the band was no slouch. Shorter of course was a member of one of Miles Davis' pivotal bands as well, but I think his work with Zawinul showed his penchant for space, a less is more concept, and wonderful harmonic sensibility. Both Jaco and Wayne were a very profound influence on me at an early age, as was Joni in an altogether different way. I'm grateful that she collaborated with Jaco, and continues to do so w/ Wayne, as it has produced some of the most original American music. I never tire of Mingus and Shadow's and Light, and agree that Hejira would have too much sameness if it weren't for Jaco's contribution to the texture. He was a regular fixture at the BB courts in the village at the time I lived in NYC, sometimes playing, but most often just hanging talking trash. It's too bad he couldn't have sought professional help. Per Joni's comment to" Musician" in the posthumous edition however, few of his musical friend's knew how to deal with him. Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:04:04 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings i think "charlie angel" is a play on a old song "johnny angel". "johnny angel in the old song was an ideal american male whose affections were sought by the singer. "charlie angel" is what "johnny angel" has become. as joni says,"a chalkmark in a rainstorm." then again, "the beat of black wings" could be the human wave assaults the vc's made on our positions. viet cong were often characterized by wearing black pajamas. "charlie angel" could be a vc that "killer kyle" killed. what do you think? take care gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: Beverly To: ; Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 8:09 PM Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings > Paul wrote: > > ><know who Charlie Angel is? > > Bob wrote: > > > >It should also be noted that "Charlie" was the reference to the American > Soldier, so Killer Kyle could in fact be Charlie Angel. > > > I hate to dispute you, Bob - but "Charlie" was "Viet-Speak" or slang for a > Vietcong soldier (the "enemy" at the time), not a reference to an American > soldier. Other slang names for Vietcong soldiers were Victor Charles (VC), > and Mr. Charles - Charlie for short. > > I've always thought that Joni was singing "Charlie Angel," and that it was a > reference to all the American soldiers who were killed by "Charlie." > > Bev > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:05:29 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings Beverly wrote: > I've always thought that Joni was singing "Charlie Angel," and that it was a > reference to all the American soldiers who were killed by "Charlie." That's been my take on it too Bev. It's always what I "heard" but after hearing Joni's story about the song, it really made sense. Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:04:30 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni Cheese rev-eiuuuuu! I've been waiting so impatiently for this one and I must say it lives up to it's pre-release press. Thank you Bob, it's brilliantly awful! Love the disc art, too - haha! First impressions: Adrienne Barbeau - I Had a King: You know she really tries, she really does. Proof that no matter if it's cheese, these people really do love Joni and you have to love them for that. Claudine Longet - Both Sides Now: Could easily be licensed to WB for the voice of Sylvester the Cat's French cousin singing to soul mate Elmer Fudd. "I'we wooked at woff fwom bowf sides now, fwom win and wose and still somehow, it's woff's ehwusions I wecall." Wow. Boomtang Boys - BSN: Hey I can dance to it! Kathie Lee Gifford - Circle Game: Starts out not too bad, loses a little energy toward the end. Poor Kathie Lee, captured on the carousel of time. Leonard Nimoy - BSN: Spock all the way and eerily frightening!! Nazareth - This Flight Tonight: Not bad enough to be good, just real bad. Cringe. Doris Day - BSN: Rare find - surreal. Hole - BSN: So bad it might be good. If I were hanging out in a grunge bar in Seattle on a rainy day, I might even think it's pretty great. Trish Colter/Paul Read - Carey: I really LIKE this one. Cyndi Lauper's jazz remake ten years from now. Mabel Mercer - BSN: Oh dear. Joni's fave and proof Joni really does have a good heart and sense of humor. This is grandma's version. Carteret High School Choir - BSN: Did we really sound like that in high school choir? Made me a little queasy from the sudden increase in blood sugar level. Jim Nabors - BSN: Ooooooffff! Elvis - You're So Square: No real cheese - just El The Tokens - BSN: Jimmy Webb meets the early Beach Boys meets the Partridge Family. Great example of the "genre". Anne Murray - BSN: Thinks she's trying too hard to be Judy and Joni at the same time. Billy Squier - River: Nice guitar, nice performance, WRONG song. Robert Goulet - BSN: Why has his singing always scared the hell out of me?? No change with this one! Thanks again to Bob and all the contributors for hunting down these rare finds. More cheese! Kakki NP: Goulet - BSN ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:31:22 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Possible Reason catman Is On Hiatus nuriel, catman is probably on hiatus because of accusations that I made. He made a joke that I took too seriously and I accused him of being a hate-monger. Unfortunately I used the word "facist" which is a synonym in the US. I quoted a US dictionary to back this up. It was a very poor word choice in an international forum and I regret picking that word. I accused him of being a hate-monger and I invited him to deny it. He laughed in my face. This made it worse for me because I took it as confirming my worse fear. Eventually he recanted his hateful joke. I recanted my "facist" charge. Catman is not an anti-semite. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:31:25 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Jimi Loves Joni Rick reports: <> Thanks Rick, your post jogged my memory of a Rolling Stone, Joni Q and A, I read years ago. I couldn't help but think WOW myself, then too! Here's Joni's version of the encounter from the JMDL articles. (Geez, that's a great site Les!!!)....Penny RS 12/15/94 What's the most random celebrity encounter you've ever had? I met Jimi Hendrix at the Capitol Theatre in Ottawa, and after his set, he came down, and he brought a big reel-to-reel tape recorder. He introduced himself very shyly and said, "Would you mind if I taped your show?" I said, "Not at all." And later that evening, we went back, we were staying at the same hotel. He and his drummer Mitch [Mitchell], the three of us were talking. It was so innocent. But management, all they saw was three hippies. We were outcasts anyway. A black hippie! Two men and a woman in the same room. So they kept telling us to play lower. It was a very creative, special night. We were playing like children. Describe Jimi in three words. I could tell you in a paragraph - I'm not good at snack-size bites. His main concern at that time was that he wanted to drop the phallic aspects of his showmanship. The big, flamboyant dick stuff was offensive to him, and he wanted to stop it. But every time he tried, he told me, the audience would boo. He wanted to take a different kind of band out, with a brass section. OK, three words? SENSITIVE. SHY. SWEET. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #262 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?