From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #260 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, June 22 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 260 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Beat of Black Wings [leslie@torchsongs.com] ** Free** Joni Rarities ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Mitchell's Canadian voice [B Merrill ] Re: Beat of Black Wings [PPeterson4@aol.com] Re: Beat of Black Wings [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Beat of Black Wings ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Beat of Black Wings [Siresorrow@aol.com] Emily Remler [Michael Paz ] New Producer [Michael Paz ] Re: joni bashing in downbeat [Seulbzzaj@aol.com] IMDb: Blowup (1966) [relayer211@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:23:39 -0700 (PDT) From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Beat of Black Wings I remember a while back there was a thread regarding the "Beat of Black Wings." Did we ever resolve what the lyrics are to the sections between verses in BoBW? Something like "Charlie Angel" ... Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:28:15 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: ** Free** Joni Rarities More than a dozen cassettes of Joni Rarities are available free to JMDLers. These cassettes have been meticulously selected for the highest available quality by Simon and represent some very exciting performances and interviews. I recommend starting with a 3 cassette collection encompassing Tape Tree #1 & #2 that I call the Tape Tree Starter Kit. You'll get Joni in a Philadelphia coffee-house called the Second Fret on March 17, 1967. This is the earliest material on the Tape Trees and the roughest recording. This was before her first album was released but the American country and folk industry knew her from her songwriting credits on "Circle Game" and "Urge For Going". You get the BBC Radio Concert with James Taylor in 1970 featuring songs from "Blue", and a promotional radio program created for the "Night Ride Home" set. There's a 1994 live set including "Sex Kills" back when it was an unreleased song under a working title, "Just Ice". To cap it off, there's a 1995 interview from radio's "All Things Considered" program. To participate you send blank cassettes and postage. For instructions send me an e-mail and I'll get right back to you. Enjoy! Also available free are the TNT Tribute video (on VHS, USA format only), and an exquisite audience recording (on cassette) of the "Both Sides Now" tour in Camden, New Jersey, USA. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:55:36 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Mitchell's Canadian voice SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: I do feel like she compares her >country rural upbringing with the faster-paced American culture and prefers >the former... If that's the case, then why does she live in the US? Has she answered this question? Being wealthy, she could live wherever she chooses. Since I missed the prior thread, I'd be happy to hear more about her Canadian voice. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:30:40 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings In a message dated 6/21/00 7:51:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, leslie@torchsongs.com writes: << I remember a while back there was a thread regarding the "Beat of Black Wings." Did we ever resolve what the lyrics are to the sections between verses in BoBW? Something like "Charlie Angel" ... >> I have been wondering about this since this incredible CD came out with this great song. My theory has always been that she's saying "Charlie Angel" to the tune of the sixties Shelly Fabares song "Johnny Angel" ( Johnny Angel, And I love him, And I know that someday he''ll love me....). But does anyone know who Charlie Angel is? The troubled guy in the song? Or something entirely else? Paul Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:58:16 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings PPeterson4@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/21/00 7:51:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > leslie@torchsongs.com writes: > > << I remember a while back there was a thread regarding > the "Beat of Black Wings." Did we ever resolve what > the lyrics are to the sections between verses in BoBW? > Something > like "Charlie Angel" ... >> > > I have been wondering about this since this incredible CD came out with this > great song. My theory has always been that she's saying "Charlie Angel" to > the tune of the sixties Shelly Fabares song "Johnny Angel" ( Johnny Angel, > And I love him, And I know that someday he''ll love me....). But does anyone > know who Charlie Angel is? The troubled guy in the song? Or something > entirely else? > > Paul Peterson A reference, I would think, to the popular television show (and soon to be a major motion picture in your neighborhood) Charlie's Angels. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:21:49 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Beat of Black Wings to me it has always sounded like "tired angel". you know, the angel of death, the beat of its black wings and all the work we humans give it. wally k, writing mail mail mail mail mail mail 100 X's...... > << I remember a while back there was a thread regarding > the "Beat of Black Wings." Did we ever resolve what > the lyrics are to the sections between verses in BoBW? > Something > like "Charlie Angel" ... >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:49:05 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings In a message dated 6/21/00 9:32:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << to me it has always sounded like "tired angel". >> i thought maybe...child angel... in any event, i love that song. it is one of my favorites of joni's and it has such a cool illiteration...the beat ..boom.tik tik tik tik boom tik tik .. and then you can hear the little wings going faintly...dikadikadikadika and what a great line...i never had nothing to believe in...plus, she says the f word. and i have to love that! pat np. beat of black wings ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:32:19 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Emily Remler on 6/21/00 1:27 PM, JMDL Digest at Joseph Palis wrote: > Thabks, Stephen for that story about Nancy LaMott. I read in a magazine a > review of her posthumous CD and how that album would have catapulted Nancy > to mainstream pop audience. There seems to be an interest in a singer's > discography everytime that singer dies (Selena for example, as well as > other artists whom one never heard before but got interested after the > death. Guitarist Emily Remler did that to me). Joseph- How is your Emily collection? As you probably know she was from here in New Orleans and I had the good fortune to work woth her a couple of times at Jazz Fest etc. I haven't thought of her in ages, thank you for reminding me. I need to see what recordings (obscure) I can come up with. I am friends with Steve Masakowski who did lots of work with her ad well as many local artists. Michael NP-I Want You (She's So Heavy)-Beatles/The Last Year Feb 69-Jan 70) with McCartney on Vocal WOW! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:51:11 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: New Producer on 6/21/00 1:27 PM, JMDL Digest at Bob Muller SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > And since I've heard the live stuff, I have to say I'm excited about her next > project, to hear the studio versions of the jazzed-up orchestrated "older" > material. A song like "Judgement of the Moon & Stars" will work well with the > full symphonic enhancement, while "Be Cool" will sound SO much better with a > more subtle accompaniment, letting it swing a bit. I hope she'll be a little > more creative in her coloring of the songs! Less is sometimes more, Joni! And this just in folks.... Bob Muller has been asked to produce Joni's next album. Let's hope his recent "cheese fixation" is not catchy. Love Paz HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA NP-Carry That Weight (boy this thing is all out of order) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:59:49 EDT From: Seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: joni bashing in downbeat In a message dated 6/21/00 9:36:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, reubenbell@hotmail.com writes: << BSN, which I adore, has its rough patches. Shamalzy strings, vocal inflections that don't work here and there, etc. I do think its a great record. However, it is not an earth shattering record. I think that some of Joni's more recent stuff (NRH and TI) in particular were much more impressive in general. Compare BSN to a lot of other things, it shines. Compare it to Billie's Lady in Satin, it doesn't. >> Well, I pretty much disagree with everything you've said here. The arrangements are excellent, and the strings are gorgeous - doesn't sound like shmaltz to me. It's rare for a singer's every vocal inflection to be perfect, but Joni is near-perfect on this disc. Her interpretations of these standards in the concert performances I've heard live and on tape are also a revelation - - and I've known all these songs inside and out for at least 25 years. I also think that BSN can be compared to Lady In Satin (and for that matter, Sinatra's Only The Lonely) in terms of it's emotional wallop. Of course, Billie was really dragged down by life to a degree that few have experienced. The pain that she expressed was unbearably real, and many Billie fans think of Lady In Satin as a controversial album - some people think it's her greatest work, while others hate it. I suspect that BSN will also remain controversial among Joni's fans, but I consider it to be possibly her greatest artistic achievement - with Taming The Tiger, Turbulent Indigo and Blue close behind. Am I correct in assuming that the general perception on the list re: TTT, is generally 'not favorable'? The only throwaway tune, to me, is My Best To You, which BTW, would probably become a popular recording by Judy Collins, should she decide to record it. The song really is pretty schmaltzy, though. - Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:03:43 -0700 From: relayer211@aol.com Subject: IMDb: Blowup (1966) An Internet Movie Database (www.IMDb.com) page has been sent to you by: relayer211@aol.com. Comment from the sender: Thought you'd be interested in this info at IMDb.com. Enjoy! =============================================================== Summary: A parable about the possible dehumanizing effects of photography... Comment: BLOW-UP is the story of a successful fashion photographer, Thomas (David Hemmings), who, whilst scouting for fresh subjects in a park one afternoon, photographs a mysterious couple in 'flagrante delicto.' Upon returning to his studio loft later that day, he develops the pictures and discovers that he has inadvertently stumbled upon a murder. Antonioni is not interested in the details of the murder itself, as in a typical detective story, but rather with how the protagonist's perception of the world, and his relationship to it, is altered by this event. As a fashion photographer, Thomas is a creator of illusions that define a certain kind of young urban lifestyle and Antonioni's flagrant use of the loud, splashy, attention-grabbing colors of billboard advertising -- a visual association elevated to an unholy apotheosis in his next film, ZABRISKIE POINT (1970) -- brings to the surface the transient sensation and hollow artifice that lies at the heart of all pop culture consumerism. In his previous work, RED DESERT (1964), Antonioni spray-painted both the man-made décor as well as the natural setting as a means of giving concrete expression to the heroine's neurotic state of mind and her ameliorative aestheticizing vision of a world despoiled by technology and pollution. He does the same in BLOW-UP, painting doors, fences, poles, and the façades of entire buildings to emphasize the exhilaration and alienation that characterizes life in a large modern city. Psychedelic colors make the 'real' world of the film seem exaggerated and hyperbolic like a fantastic 'surface' reality, while the 'captured' and reconstructed world of the photographs appears ominously stark, grainy, and documentary-like -- the bare, denuded 'essence' of reality. In the central montage sequence of the film, the camera -- in place of Thomas' eyes -- slowly moves back and forth from one photograph to the next, and likewise, Antonioni cuts back and forth from the pictures to the protagonist looking at them. Since the act of looking at these enhanced images effectively reconstructs an event that the protagonist -- and the audience -- never actually saw with the naked eye in 'real life,' technology is shown to reveal a new surface of the world that is normally hidden from view. Antonioni's own particular brand of phenomenological Neorealism is concerned primarily with the process of seeing through a camera as a way of exposing an ultimate truth, or a lack thereof, that underlies the surface of the world. The curious self-reflexivity of this scene is an epistemological hall of mirrors: Antonioni's camera looks at Thomas looking at photographs which are blown up larger and larger so that eventually they become merely an abstract collection of dots, a Rorschach test in which almost anything can be read. Like the Abstract Expressionist paintings of the tormented artist son in Pasolini's TEOREMA (1968), the received cultural baggage and semiotic referentiality of the image is eliminated until all that remains is purest subjectivity of the spectator. And so, picture-making technology mediates reality only up to a point: once the threshold of referentiality has been crossed, the suspicion of a murder in the park gleaned from a series of enlarged photographs would seem to say more about Thomas' own paranoid state of mind than what his camera may or may not have recorded. This subtextual aspect of the film has been compared to the controversy surrounding the various interpretations of the Abraham Zapruder film as a definitive and reliable record of the Kennedy assassination -- and particularly, the mystery of the notorious 'grassy knoll.' Also, the possible incidence of adultery and The Girl's desperate efforts to retrieve the film suggest the scandalous fallout of the Profumo affair. Vanessa Redgrave, with her thick, dark brown hair and affected temptress-naïf manner, hinted at by a schoolgirl outfit and arms folded seductively over her breasts, seems meant to evoke, for a British audience at least, then-recent memories of Christine Keeler. BLOW-UP is full of visual and verbal non-sequiturs and nearly all the scenes are composed of long-takes with plenty of 'longeurs' and 'temps mort.' This real-time approach -- often fragmented by abrupt and seemingly arbitrary cuts -- faithfully simulates Thomas' experience and the mechanical routine of his creative process and its fleeting moments of sudden inspiration and frenzied excitement. All throughout the film there is a recurrent pattern of relationships left unconsummated and work left undone. Just as he appears on the verge of establishing meaningful contact with someone or about to finally resolve himself to some efficacious deed or another, he is immediately distracted by something else that pops up. Thomas resembles Odysseus in the way he is continually thwarted by chance encounters, which cause him to lose sight of his mission. Indeed, the film's meandering, episodic plot does seem to have elements of classical epic: the rock concert and the marijuana party afterward all suggest a ritual journey through a modern 'Land of the Lotus-Eaters.' Ironically, it is just when he discovers a sense of emotional commitment and social obligation in his life that his self-justifying cynicism and arrogant indifference toward others is replaced by a growing sense of impotence and defeat. In the final scene, speech is phased out of the film entirely, leaving only a silent form of physical communication unmediated by language and social pretensions. BLOW-UP was the Antonioni's greatest commercial and critical triumph and the film's narrative -- an odyssey through a modern city, following the protagonist from feigned poverty to the false security of wealth and ending on a note of final lingering doubt about one's place and purpose in the world -- seems itself a trenchant comment on the nature of success and what it does to people. By transposing to 'Swinging London' the Marxist concerns of his Italian films, Antonioni demonstrates once again that this malaise of modern life is not caused by technology and consumer culture but rather by man's failure to adapt to the conditions of the new environment he has created for himself. Comment Author: jawills =============================================================== To view the complete page online or view any of the 750,000 plus filmographies and 200,000 plus movie titles, please visit: http://us.imdb.com/CommentsShow?0060176-25 ================================================================== Copyright Internet Movie Database (IMDb) 2000 ================================================================== The sender chose to send you a page from our website in the belief that you would be interested in its content. 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