From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #258 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, June 21 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 258 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni's loyal fan base ["Joni Fan" ] Re: Joni's loyal fan base [Don Rowe ] Re: joni and judy ["Joni Fan" ] Fwd: Re: joni and judy ["Joni Fan" ] Re: joni and judy ["P. Henry" ] Re: joni and judy ["Joni Fan" ] Re: joni and judy ["P. Henry" ] Re: Joni At Alpine 79 (LJC) [Scott and Jody ] Kathie Circle ["Michael Paz" ] JONI / JACO [dave fairall / beth miller ] Re: pan am [RickieLee1@aol.com] FW: pan am [Walter R Rodgers III ] Kids these days [Bounced Message ] He.lp! [Bounced Message ] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence [Gellerray@aol.] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence [SMEBD@aol.] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence [SCJoniGuy@aol.] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence [SMEBD@aol.] Re: Fred Walecki benefit. [Richard Rice ] Re: All I want as recorded by the Supremes [Steven Barton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:55:25 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Joni's loyal fan base Sara, I'm so delighted that you are a Joni fan at the age of 15. I'm 44 and would feel very sad if other generations missed out on Joni . . . great music is just great music. And her music touches things you just don't read in books! So Sara, I would encourage you to actually post a positive message about Joni in that rollingstone.com message board. You, and others like you, are the exact reason that this is so important to me. There are some wonderful articles and bio on Joni in the Rolling Stone web site. I'm concerned that someone not familar with Joni will get interested, and then see some of the bad postings on the message board. By the way, most of the messages on that board are very positive to Joni. Then the board got hijacked and chased all the good folks away. That is what the jerks wanted to do and they will succeed, unless we all take a moment to put in our good words. Joni has been famous for her loyal fan base. I saw an early rollingstone posting that said they were surprised there were so few messages, they expected at least 100. Personally, I'm wondering where are all her loyal fans are too! Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:10:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni's loyal fan base - --- Joni Fan wrote: Personally, I'm wondering > where are all her (Joni's) loyal > fans are too! > > Loree > We're digging out from under 352 new messages received yesterday from the jmdl ... though there is light at the end of the tunnel now that we've installed the new "Global Delete" feature and typed in "Kathy Lee"! ;-D Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:17:56 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: joni and judy >Here's the e-mail, posted by Boston Jim, that includes Judy's letter: THANK you so much for reposting the letter! Extremely beautiful piece. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:56:03 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Fwd: Re: joni and judy Reuben Bell" wrote: >I am certainly not wishing to add even more confusion to this, but I think >the idea of a "falling out" comes from statements that Joni has made. I >remember her remarks about getting ditched and missing Woodstock, and also >(maybe from the Dog Eat Dog era People interview??) being asked about >Judy's claim that they were friends in her autobiography, Joni said >something like "There have been closer friendships." I think that Joni >often comes across as dismissive of people with comments like this, when >you might get a different impression if you were actually hearing it in >person. Who knows how she actually said it? > >BTW: Both of Judy's books, Trust Your Heart, and Singing Lessons are >fantastic. Her novel, Shameless, is worth a look, too. > >Reuben > >>From: "Joni Fan" >>Don, thanks for clearing some of that up. So if I understand correctly, >>Judy could not perform because of scheduling issues? >> >>And there never was a falling out? I always thought it may have been a >>petty rumour (people like the thought of stars in cat fights, etc.), but >>it >>seemed odd that Judy was missing from the tribute line-up. >> >>I would love to read Judy's letter if someone still has that around. >> >>Loree >>________________________________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >> > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:07:19 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni and judy Loree wrote: >P.S. - What is the big falling out between Joni and Judy that I have heard of through the years?> hi loree, hope the pic comes through ok... if yer asking me, as I understand it, this 'falling out' is a myth and has never happened. >Sad not to see Judy at the Joni tribute.> this was discussed at length just two weeks ago... Judy was there... she even wrote this list herself to clear up any rumors like this... bottom line: all is well! :o) pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:29:34 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: joni and judy >Loree wrote: > >P.S. - What is the big falling out between Joni >and Judy that I have heard of through the >years?> > >hi loree, > hope the pic comes through ok... if yer asking >me, as I understand it, this 'falling out' is a >myth and has never happened. I suspected that too, until Judy was not at the tribute. > > >Sad not to see Judy at the Joni tribute.> > > this was discussed at length just two weeks >ago... Judy was there... she even wrote this >list herself to clear up any rumors like this... >bottom line: all is well! :o) > Now if I only had been a member two weeks ago! Having just signed up a day or so ago . . . I missed out on all that. I'm delighted that is "all is well." Oh well, Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:44:45 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni and judy loree wrote: >Now if I only had been a member two weeks ago! Having just signed up a day or so ago . . . I missed out on all that.> loree, well in that case allow me to extend my welcome to the gang... (around 600 of us!) :o) this is really not a problem... you can go here and read back as far as you want. http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/ pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:56:55 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Joni At Alpine 79 (LJC) Susan wrote: > I was also at this show! I believe the show lasted about 7 or 8 songs. But I also > remember Joni coming back on stage and talking to the few of us who were left > wading in front of the stage. > What did she talk about?? We were seated in the third row during the show, and I remember the water was way above our ankles. The woman seated to my right had come in with straight hair and by the 7th or 8th song, looked like she had just gotten a perm. There was so much ELECTRICITY in the air. I remember the stage crew covering up the Amps and turning off the power........... But, What a night! Regardless how short the show, we were there and saw and heard Joni and Jaco live together!!! Mary wrote: > Maybe we could design T-shirts to wear for the next Joni tour, proudly > proclaiming, "I survived Alpine in '79." Any designers out there? ;-) > I have a friend in the t-shirt factory biz :~) Bob wrote: > Well, fwiw I've got a recording of the show...you can hear the booming thunder mixed in with > Jaco's solo... > I've got it on CD if any of you attendees are interested, maybe it'll bring back a FLOOD of > memories! ;~D > I Can't Believe you have this on CD!!! On second thought, what don't you have??? I have to echo Brian and all and say THANKS for all that you do!!! jody As a side note: * Go Sox* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:13:17 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Kathie Circle Bob wrote: "Look! Now you're doing it! Kathie Lee and Hejeira in the same sentence. Maybe we all need some time for this horrific news to settle before we can find the strength to go on..." Hey come on now children chill out. Remember what le grande dame sez on MOA, "the more out of tune voices the better". And if a million Kathie Lee folks buy the record, Joan will laugh all the way to the bank. Ah publishing is a wonderful thing! ON another note I worked for Regis and Kathie through Buena Vista for several years here in New Orleans when they would do the show live from the NATPE convention. She seemed nice to her inner circle of folks, but I didn't find her to friendly, but then again it could have been all MY fault (maybe I wan't accessible enough). Regis was an ok sort, but all seemed pretty full of his ownself. Oh well I'm done now. Michael NP-Your're My Thrill-AT the Greek (Thank you MaxiLady!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:03:10 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: JONI / JACO < Michael Brecker talks about how coked out their JM tour was: "It was just a symptom of the times-- everybody was doing cocaine then." (See 88-92) Jaco was such a phenomenal musician (the most creative & extraordinary musician that Joni has worked with?)... and this is appalling tragedy, the way in which he fell apart... ending up on the streets, and finally killed. "...plenty of lines, but nothing to say..."> Bruce, The Milkowski book is a good read, and offers an insightful glimpse into that coke infused period. I was a full time working musician then, and a part of that scene. In retrospect it seems sad that much of the euphoria over the great music produced was somewhat tainted and artificial due to recreational pharmaceuticals. In their "Jaco Tribute" issue just after his death, "Musician Magazine" published a piece by Joni, a full page article, in which she demonstrates obvious inside knowledge of the vagaries of substance abuse. Her comments about the way cocaine blocks intimacy and creates a barrier to true emotions really ring true to those of us who've been there, and seen lives devastated by out-of-control partying. Joni observed that Jaco's manic depressive personality, when combined with coke use, produced disastrous ultra highs and lows. I didn't realize that Joni was getting high too until years later, but it should have been obvious given her insights. Thank God she didn't move on to heroin, which takes users on a much faster track to ruin. Given the fact that they were doing so much blow on that tour, it seems even more amazing that they were able to produce the masterpiece Shadows and Light, especially Brecker and Jaco's fantastic version of "Dry Cleaner". THX Dave F. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:10:57 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: pan am In a message dated 6/20/00 11:18:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mbirdny@earthlink.net writes: << (P.S. To Kakki's friend who was unnerved by the name change from Pan Am to MetLife ... a lot of people still call it the Pan Am building, out of habit.) >> ok, ok. she can keep the damned can of raid...she's gonna need it at ashara's, where the mosquitoes look like bomber jet planes riding shotgun in the sky...oh the buzzing and the sting. love and peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:41:50 -0400 From: Walter R Rodgers III Subject: FW: pan am - ---------- From: mbirdny@earthlink.net[SMTP:mbirdny@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 11:11 AM To: wrodgers@blast.net Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: pan am I may talk commodities and sales under the Pan Am roof, but I live in nothing close to Harry's House.... I'd say it's closer to a tenement castle, with two grey rooms, where I spend my days dodging the light like Blanche DuBois. I have a coffee percolator but no dishwasher, or figure skater ... Nickel Chief (P.S. To Kakki's friend who was unnerved by the name change from Pan Am to MetLife ... a lot of people still call it the Pan Am building, out of habit.) hmmm... no chelsea mornings huh? - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:14:09 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Kids these days From: "Kate Bennett" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:49:26 -0700 Harper Lou "Sorry, but I'm feeling a lot of lost hope for this next generation right now... Could someone counter the rollingstone site with something hopeful? " Your drummer friend is not the norm. He is a VERY sick individual who could be prosecuted for what he is doing to young girls (sounds like date rape to me) and animals. However, he is no more the norm than Charles Manson was the norm for the children of the 60's. Here is the hopeful part (I hope)---I know many young kids & have a lot of hope for the next generation. The kids I know are not like the creep you mentioned (I am sorry if he is your friend- I have no tolerance for the stuff he is into). They are for the most part very kind, spiritual, peace loving kids. A little more street wise than I was, they grow up faster these days it seems. Here is the who is to blaim part---What I do see as the norm however is a higher tolerance (not acts)of violence. I attribute this to a generation that has been exposed to a lot of graphic violence portrayed in the media. I blaim the probably mostly middle aged people who use violence as a form of entertainment for profit. (And thank you record company executives who are promoting that guy Eminem or whatever is name is). Sorry, I have REALLY strong feelings about all of this but I don't want to start another war of the words. Just in case as Hell would say its all IMO. (putting away the soapbox now and ducking) Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:16:52 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: He.lp! Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:47:59 -0500 From: Michael Paz Morning everyone- I am looking for the artwork for the CD-Trees esp. Bread and Roses Fest, Jazz Fest New Orleans, Day IN the Garden, and the Hissing Demos. Are these posted on someones site? If not can someone please contact me about sending these to me as attachments? Thanks. Michael NP-Perpetual Change-Yes Live at the House of Blues Vegas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:23:45 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence In a message dated 6/20/00 7:57:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, SMEBD@aol.com writes: << joni_reigns@hotmail.com writes: << But I would NEVER buy her CD . . . >> I bought her CD . . . and sent it to BOB!!!!!! Stephen :-D >> That is very very funny. I hope you really did! Raymond ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:01:58 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence In a message dated 06/20/2000 10:23:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gellerray writes: << << But I would NEVER buy her CD . . . >> I bought her CD . . . and sent it to BOB!!!!!! Stephen :-D >> That is very very funny. I hope you really did! Raymond >> I DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:02:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence << That is very very funny. I hope you really did! >> Oh ha ha, very funny indeed! Easy for you to say, you don't have that pointy chin staring you in the face like I do! And I still have it! I tried to throw it away but the garbagemen picked it out of the can and tossed it back in my yard! So here's whats on it: 1. Born For You/Circle Game 2. It Goes Like it Goes/Sweet Dreams 3. Help is on the Way 4. Moondance (just for you, Kakki!) 6:29 Worth! 5. Here's That Rainy Day 6. Before the Parade Passes By/Don't Rain on My Parade 7. First Time/Not Exactly Paris 8. I Got Lost in His Arms 9. Only My Pillow Knows 10. Child in Me 11. On My Way to You 12. Sunrise Sunset/Try to Remember 13. The Journey 14. Born For You 15. Ironman/Smoke On The Water (I made that up!) And the photos inside of her and Giff are enough to make you toss major cookies! Just remember...I have a lot of yall's addresses - so you better behave, unless you want old anorexic Kathie to come knockin' on your door! :~D Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:05:12 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence In a message dated 06/20/2000 11:02:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy writes: << I tried to throw it away but the garbagemen picked it out of the can and tossed it back in my yard! >> I guess my Southern connections are still good after all these years!!!!!!!! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:51:00 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Re: Fred Walecki benefit. Regarding Fred Walecki's benefit concert... Wooo. Cat's out of the bag. When I had the gracious and fortunate opportunity to talk to Fred last week, he was on pins with excitement about the Aug. concert. Although, listening to him and reading the info regarding the benefit, it appears Fred was kept 'out of the loop' as to what the purpose of the concert was for. He took it as a grand reunion of the old guard. I doubt he would toot his own horn to me if he knew it was to be a benefit for him. I suspect this end of the deal was kept away from his knowing ears. I hope the surprise sticks. I could guarantee Joni will be there. Weither or not she will perform is another thing. She and Jackson Browne probably have restraining orders out on each other. So I am sure there will be a legion of mutual protectors scouting the scene to make sure they don't bump into each other. At least, this is what I imagine happening. I can't picture an all out brawl or the two of them making a grand reconciliation at the event. In the end tho, I am tickled pink that efforts are being made to give Fred Walecki his due. In the brief interactions I have had with him, he has demonstrated the heart and soul of a saint, the gentle and protective nature of a good friend, and a very playful, inquisitive heart. Throat cancer will not stop this man in his tracks. He gives everything to the things he loves, so he will be a Go, Speed Racer for years to come. Bob, a pop culture sponge? I like that line... And Vince. How bout those White Sox!!! Holy Cow!!!!! John. ( I am still hoping that Les or Jim will contact Fred Walecki about an interview. I know you guy's are extremely taxed and busy, but what do I have to do? Email you privately? ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:32:39 -0700 From: Steven Barton Subject: Re: All I want as recorded by the Supremes Another side note. Joni sang on at least two of Jimmy Webb's solo albums: "Letters" and "Lands End." James Phillips wrote: > As a side note about the Supremes version of All I want, the album that it > appeared on, the Supremes produced and arranged by Jimmy Webb. . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 01:33:49 EDT From: PFallo@aol.com Subject: joni bashing in downbeat i'm sure many of you caught the may issue of downbeat magazine. it featured a great cover article and interview with joni where she talks about the making of "both sides now" that i recall getting some mention on this list. however in the july issue of downbeat that i just received today, it seems that article didn't go over so well with some readers. in the chords & discords feature (letters to the editor), two readers wrote in, apparently having gotten a very negative impression of joni from that article. i'll reprint their letters below. please don't shoot the messenger. phil p.s. i'll get the hanging tree ready. Richard Thurston from Seattle writes: >I have a suggestion for a new category in your annual Readers Poll: Egoist of the >Year. I doubt that anyone you may interview between now and Dec. 31 will surpass >Joni Mitchell for her display of conceited self-absorbtion in the May 2000 issue. >After touting her new release as "a triumph musically," she heads downhill. >Mitchell claims that "across the board ... music has degenerated so disgustingly," >and that this record is "a statement about music at the end of the 20th century." >Golly, I'm impressed. James Vincent via e-mail writes: >I am so tired of Joni Mitchell always making herself out to be somehow greater >than other female artists who were also popular in her hey day. Lighten up, Joni. >You are not some statue of stone in a park. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:33:06 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman OK. I can handle the thread title "Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence" but can we please do something about the subject title above? I'm getting some horrible images in my head ;o), but it's better than "Kathie Lee does Joni"! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #258 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?