From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #257 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, June 20 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 257 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- catman ["Ada Wittenberger" ] Jaco, Joni, & the cocaine apex [B Merrill ] Re: Kathie Lee does Joni ["Joni Fan" ] UK jonifest - Down In The Cellar ["ALCHEMYMULTIMEDIA.COM" ] kathie lee and kenny g [PFallo@aol.com] Re: kathie lee and kenny g ["Joni Fan" ] Re: Mitchell's Canadian voice AND lots of JM trivia, eh.. [Catherine McKa] FW: Talkin bout this generation (www.rollingstone.com) [Louis Lynch ] Re: Kathie Lee does Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence [SMEBD@aol.] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: joni and judy ["P. Henry" ] Re: More on KL [Catherine McKay ] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence [Catherine McKay ] Re: FW: Talkin bout this generation (www.rollingstone.com) ["Joni Fan" ] Re: [JoniMitchellfans] Re: joni and judy [SMEBD@aol.com] Shadows and Light video re-release ["Joni Fan" ] Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence [SMEBD@aol.] Workplace /Joni Lyric [Steve Polifka ] Painting video & Joni's health ["Joni Fan" ] Walecki Benefit [Steve Dulson ] Walecki Benefit [Steve Dulson ] VLJC Jimmy Spheeris CDs ["Joni Fan" ] TNT Joni tribute ["Joni Fan" ] The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs [Murphycopy@aol.c] Re: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs ["James L. Le] Re: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs (VLJC) [FMYFL] Re: FW: Talkin bout this generation (www.rollingstone.com) ["Joni Fan" ] Re: www.rollingstone.com trashes joni ["Sara *" ] RE: Joni Mitchell, my brilliant goon, by Garret Gaston ["Peg Eves" ] Re: Jaco, Joni, & the cocaine apex ["Ada Wittenberger" Subject: catman no need to tell me that catman is NJC but i had to use this list to reach you all. is everything alright with catman? he's not in some "2 grey rooms" case i hope so just tell me he's ok. thanks. and since i owe you a JC - i saw joni's photo from highschool - thank you who ever you are it's been a day overloaded with names for me so i'm sorry you know your name so thank y o u so much for the link - and i was frozen glued to the screen i'm was never interested in photos of joni but those joni's chosen herself for the world's eyes to see - but our friend - thanks again i'll tell why it's one big thank you from me - he sure knew what bate to use - so i got there - and saw her - and yes it's the hair sure it's the hair but the only thing i could think about was the way she looks on her debut so i cried for her don't ask me why i know it's a story of a whole generation - hey but she came to city and then out oh it's tears here now so i'm going to hell and say hi to catman. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:42:12 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Jaco, Joni, & the cocaine apex I've been reading _Jaco_ by Bill Milnowski. The relevant coincidence (for us Joni fans) is that the point where he is "hanging" and touring with Joni, 1976-7, happens to be both the point where his life goes through this disastrous turnaround, and Jaco shifts from being emphatically straight to emphatically druggy, and also (not coincidentally) at the cocaine apex when "everybody" (in the hip US music world) was tooting away like their was no tomorrow. Michael Brecker talks about how coked out their JM tour was: "It was just a symptom of the times-- everybody was doing cocaine then." (See 88-92) Jaco was such a phenomenal musician (the most creative & extraordinary musician that Joni has worked with?)... and this is appalling tragedy, the way in which he fell apart... ending up on the streets, and finally killed. "...plenty of lines, but nothing to say..." Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:50:22 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does Joni >Look! Now you're doing it! Kathie Lee and Hejeira in the same sentence. >Maybe >we all need some time for this horrific news to settle before we can find >the >strength to go on... Oh, forgive me . . . what was I thinking! > >But maybe, if she put her own life to the "Circle Game" tune, it wouldn't >be >so bad. How about: > > Yesterday my spouse went out to wander > Met a stewardess inside a bar... > > --Bob Now that is funny! Let's see the rest of it is something like: 16 seasons went by; Regis and I were still talkin The songs I sang got worse by every year ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:42:08 +0100 From: "ALCHEMYMULTIMEDIA.COM" Subject: UK jonifest - Down In The Cellar Hello everyone I've been off the list for about seven weeks, missing my daily fix of Jonichat. I missed all the Joni concerts and reviews, and all the chat about the New Orleans, :-( ..... but I'm back now! :-) I was changing jobs and am now working in the heart of London's West End. (Which is nice). While I was off list, I have finally managed to complete the production of the CD, recorded on January 4th at the Troubadour in Earls Court. Raffaele put a call out to anyone who would like a copy a couple of weeks ago so that I could guage how many to make. Now that they are ready, anyone who would like a copy, please send me ?5.50 (cheque if you are in the UK, cash in ? Sterling if not), and give me your full address. I will post you your CD by return. The CDs make a wonderful souvenir of the evening we had, with Jamie Zubairi, Marian Russell and Chris Marshall playing all evening for us. Raff did some very professional artwork for us also. It's a double CD in a 'Brilliant' (single CD) case, and the price includes postage and packing. Please be assured that I am making no money out of this. The price reflects the cost of production. atb, Martin. In London. ------------------------------ Date: Tue Jun 20 08:46:45 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: More on KL Just a couple of KL notes... I forget if Moondance was on that CD or not - Stephen sent me the entire CD and begged me not to return it! :~) I'll check if I still have it, I might have already donated it to my public library... Anybody else remember when Kathie Lee was on "Name That Tune" with host Tom Kennedy? She was the one who would sing the line or whatever...that was a long time ago, who'da thunk that she would become a household word. For those of you brave enough to take on Volume 4, you'll soon discover that KL's cover is not NEARLY as awful as some of these others. The version of CG she does is cloyingly sweet sounding (you just look all around for Disney animals to come dancing out of the sky), but there are others that are really rancid. (And no, there's not a Rancid cover on the disc). Bob NP: Jim Nabors, "BSN" (Yuck!):~) PS: Jim, I LOVED the Bizarro Superman and all those Bizarro issues! ------------------------------ Date: Tue Jun 20 08:50:00 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: UK jonifest - Down In The Cellar <> Martin, Thanks for all your hard work! I'm looking forward to hearing it! Bob NP: The Tokens, "BSN" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:14:27 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: catman In a message dated 6/20/00 4:48:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wittadi@hotmail.com writes: << is everything alright with catman? >> i think he went off list after the facist thread. may be lurining on digest, but you know, you can never really know where a good cat stalks... pat n.p. richard thompson- SHOOT out the lights ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:25:32 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: More on KL I hoped *someone* would remember the Bizarro World, and I might have guessed it'd be you, Bob. You're a pop culture sponge! :-) (I say that with admiration and empathy.) "Boston Jim" >Bob >PS: Jim, I LOVED the Bizarro Superman and all those Bizarro issues! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:29:14 EDT From: PFallo@aol.com Subject: kathie lee and kenny g when's the kathie lee & kenny g duo album coming out? at least she doesn't overdub herself singing on top of joni. and van the man too! will the desecration ever end! somebody do SOMETHING! LOOK IT'S A BIRD, IT'S A PLANE ... IT'S SUPER PAT! who disguised as a mild, mannered jazz guitarist pat metheny, fights a never ending battle ... phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:02:41 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: kathie lee and kenny g >when's the kathie lee & kenny g duo album coming out? at least she doesn't >overdub herself singing on top of joni. and van the man too! will the >desecration ever end! >somebody do SOMETHING! Oh God . . . now this thread is getting very frightening. No overdubbing over Joni and Van . . . no, no, no, no. But you know, Phil, I will send your suggestion to KL for her to pair up with Kenny G . . . I'll ask her to send you a signed copy. :) Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:03:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Mitchell's Canadian voice AND lots of JM trivia, eh.. > mariko sano > < I feel a bit like an outsider (a typical JM > listener?), in part because I am Canadian. I must > adjust to the American > perspective and perhaps the American personality if > I am to participate in > this.> Jimmy - FMYFL@aol.com wrote back: > Hi Ron and welcome to the JMDL. We have lots of > wonderful people on this > list who are Canadian, so please be yourself and > don't adjust a thing. And I say... Ahem. As another Canadian, I have to agree with (was it Bob?) who said "You don't need to be Canadian..." Much of what Joni writes about, while perhaps somewhat from the aspect of a "foreigner" observing America, is also *as* an American. She often writes as if she were herself American and, given the length of time she has lived there, no surprise. However, it's not *just* American - Canadians and Americans are different but in many ways we are alike. Americans tend to be all "rah-rah, the flag; my country right or wrong" and Canadians are much more laid-back about it. Still, we're all members of an extremely consumer-driven society. We're all subjected to similar, if not identical, advertising exhorting us to be someone "better" (if only we buy the right products an so on). We watch the same crappy television shows. Yes, I hear the Canadian voice in Joni's music, and yet... I don't. I think anyone who is as keenly observant as she, transcends nationality. Anyone that observant has to be a bit of an "outsider". You can be gung-ho American (or any other nationality for that matter) and still be the outsider observing the society in which you live for all that is good and bad about it. Yes, she still has the accent, (literally) - it's just one of her more endearing qualities. She has a lot to say and I believe she would say it no matter what nationality she was (although I suppose we in Canada and the USA may feel a little less bound by traditions that might be prevalent outside these 2 countries. Maybe because of that, we have greater freedom to say what we think?) I didn't fall in love with Joni and her words and music *because* she's Canadian, but, like the Canadian I am, it does add a little more icing to the cake. ;) > As to your second post in which you wrote: > > < I don't want to dictate tastes > and pleasures; I only look forward to communicating > with others about Joni > Mitchell's work.> > > You probably need to join the Joni Only list. It > was created for people just > like yourself, who only want to read about Joni > Mitchell and her work. > Occasionally other posts may slip through the > cracks, so just be patient with > us if it happens. In the meantime, switch to the > other list and we'll all > enjoy reading what you have to say about Joni and > her work. Ron, I've got to agree with Jimmy here. Many of us like to yak a lot and, if you want the only-Joni content, you may find it frustrating at times. Geez, the things we talk about here - from the sublime to the ridiculous, but never a dull moment! (Joni herself is quite the yakker, you know, so we all fit in!) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:06:54 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: FW: Talkin bout this generation (www.rollingstone.com) > Thanks for responding to my spiel, all, > > I suppose my frustration with the nastiness on the rollingstone site was > spurred by learning about some musician "friends" recording the screams of > an anguished dog and thinking it was way cool. > > Believe me, I don't think that the whole new generation is lost. There > are some shining examples of young people out there. And, Marcel makes a > very good point that there are quite a few older folks who don't have good > morals. And of course, professional wrestling attracts people of all > ages. My own period of musical specialty, the Renaissance wasn't known > for its humanity toward other humanity. > > The nastiness is probaby just one of the darker sides of human nature and > the new world of Internet exposure just puts it more "in your face." > > I do mourn what seems to be a general loss of courtesy and respect toward > other people. Perhaps due to the prevailing messages of the punks and > nihilists and the rockers, or perhaps due to greed and selfishness and > pressure, or perhaps the "wrath has finally taken form." Whatever the > cause, I wrote to share a general observation of a degradation of social > standards. I recognize that I'm a bit of an idealist and that my parents > are immigrants from Europe, so I might have an old-fashioned outlook to > begin with. > > David Wright made me laugh when he suggested that I exaggerate every time > I write. David, I've been exaggerating every second of every day for over > a hundred million years now, so I'm probably never going to stop. > > I have always been a bit of a thought provoker and iconoclast. Although I > know I'm not in Joni's league as a writer, I do respect that she says > things that are incredibly outspoken, sometimes even harsh and > exaggerated. For example, discussing the feeling in traffic in Sex Kills, > she writes "everyone hates everyone." Our Ms. Mitchell is not exactly a > wallflower when it comes to expressing strong opinions strongly. > > There is reason for hope, I know, and I insist on believing that people > are inherently good. The evil ones just seem to be making more noise > these days. And, alas, I play such a quiet instrument! > > Harper Lou > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:12:27 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Talkin bout this generation (www.rollingstone.com) Harper! Speaking of Rennaisaance: I have a friend who organizes "Renn Faires" here in Vermont. She just finished one last week - end and is planning next years. Would you like to connect with her? Harp! What a wonder! Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Louis > Lynch > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 10:07 AM > To: 'joni@smoe.org' > Subject: FW: Talkin bout this generation (www.rollingstone.com) > > > > Thanks for responding to my spiel, all, > > > > I suppose my frustration with the nastiness on the rollingstone site was > > spurred by learning about some musician "friends" recording the > screams of > > an anguished dog and thinking it was way cool. > > > > Believe me, I don't think that the whole new generation is lost. There > > are some shining examples of young people out there. And, > Marcel makes a > > very good point that there are quite a few older folks who > don't have good > > morals. And of course, professional wrestling attracts people of all > > ages. My own period of musical specialty, the Renaissance wasn't known > > for its humanity toward other humanity. > > > > The nastiness is probaby just one of the darker sides of human > nature and > > the new world of Internet exposure just puts it more "in your face." > > > > I do mourn what seems to be a general loss of courtesy and > respect toward > > other people. Perhaps due to the prevailing messages of the punks and > > nihilists and the rockers, or perhaps due to greed and selfishness and > > pressure, or perhaps the "wrath has finally taken form." Whatever the > > cause, I wrote to share a general observation of a degradation of social > > standards. I recognize that I'm a bit of an idealist and that > my parents > > are immigrants from Europe, so I might have an old-fashioned outlook to > > begin with. > > > > David Wright made me laugh when he suggested that I exaggerate > every time > > I write. David, I've been exaggerating every second of every > day for over > > a hundred million years now, so I'm probably never going to stop. > > > > I have always been a bit of a thought provoker and iconoclast. > Although I > > know I'm not in Joni's league as a writer, I do respect that she says > > things that are incredibly outspoken, sometimes even harsh and > > exaggerated. For example, discussing the feeling in traffic in > Sex Kills, > > she writes "everyone hates everyone." Our Ms. Mitchell is not exactly a > > wallflower when it comes to expressing strong opinions strongly. > > > > There is reason for hope, I know, and I insist on believing that people > > are inherently good. The evil ones just seem to be making more noise > > these days. And, alas, I play such a quiet instrument! > > > > Harper Lou > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:38:03 -0500 From: "Susan" Subject: Work PLace/Lyric (LJC) > Q: It occurred to me today that my place of employment is mentioned in a > Joni Mitchell lyric. Where do I work? > > The first person to guess correctly wins a can of bugspray. > > Nickel Chief > Might that be "Barangrill" - oh but you said a lyric I guess it might not also be the title! Come to think of it could be an airport a train, carnival, train station, radio station - oh come on! Be a little more specific ... please. Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:41:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does Joni - --- Kakki wrote: > Boston James wrote: > > > I heard Kathie Lee also skewers Van Morrison's > >Moondance" on this new CD. > > No, no, no, no, no!! I seriously had a physical > sensation of revulsion when > I read this much more than hearing she's doing a > Joni tune. Arrrgggghhhhh! This is more cheese than even a mouse could stand! No one is so evil as to deserve this - God save us all! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:47:38 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence In a message dated 6/20/00 12:01:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, joni_reigns@hotmail.com writes: << But I would NEVER buy her CD . . . >> I bought her CD . . . and sent it to BOB!!!!!! Stephen :-D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:50:10 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman In a message dated 6/20/00 12:20:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: << Jesus, Mary and Joseph, as my grandmother would have said, Kathie Lee has a discussion list!? >> Yes, and it is comprised of Jesus, Mary and Joseph--you'd have to be a saint to listen to the CD Stephen :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:51:58 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni and judy (this was written regarding the accompanying text to the LIFE mag pic of Joni and Judy in the tree house at Big Sur that Rick posted to Catgirl's list. if anyone didn't see it and would like a copy, as it has some historical significance to Joni's career, just write me and I'll email you a copy) Rick wrote: >Hi Pat There is nothing in the Judy Collins article about Joni at all. The caption from the tree house picture reads: "In a tree house outside Joni Mitchell's home in Laurel Canyon, Los Angeles, Judy swaps songs with Joni, her good friend as well as a fellow singer and songwriter. It was Joni who wrote "Both Sides Now". Rick> Thanks Rick. That's pretty much what I thought... It is as I said: this one pic and caption did more to launch Joni's career nationally than probably anything except Judy's recording of BSN itself! I mean, ya gotta hand it to her... Judy really did Joni (and all of us) a great good deed and, personally, I'm just tickled pink for any and all benefit she got from doing so! Folks today may not be aware that Judy already had a pretty full recording career under her belt when BSN came along. She had transitioned from being one of the main traditional folk artists to doing more contemporary stuff and was, at the time, widely considered very astute in her choice of material. Her recording of Leonard Cohen's 'Suzanne' is the one most people have heard and did much the same for his career. The album it came from, 'In My Life' still reigns IMO as the best panorama of great, late '60's folk there is. At the time I knew and was jamming with Joni, (remember she wasn't a recording artist yet) being a performer myself and having to come up with fresh material for my own sets, (I was never a songwriter) while I learned and played 5 of Joni's songs, of the eleven songs on that album, (Tom Thumb's Blues, Hard Lovin Loser, Pirate Jenny, Suzanne, La Colombe, Marat/Sade, I Think it's Going to Rain Today, Sunny Goodge Street, Liverpool Lullaby, Dress Rehearsal Rag, In my Life) which came out right about the same time in '66', I learned and played eight of them! I remember well when I picked up that issue of LIFE and saw that pic. I'd been a bigtime Judy fan long before I met Joni and then to meet Joni and become friends for two years and then see her get her record deal was just over the top! These days they talk about something called 'degrees of separation' but this was always a real trip for me... kind of in reverse... knowing Joni first and then seeing her hanging with all these people as her recording career progressed was really something. I think before this there was a James Taylor songbook that came out and there were several pics of he and Joni in there and that gave me such a weird feeling as I was also a big fan of his... seeing this pic was like that... some circle of friends, huh? How's that for a folksinger's dream?! :o) thanks much, pat http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:57:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: More on KL - --- "James L. Leonard" wrote: > I hoped *someone* would remember the Bizarro World, > and I might have guessed > it'd be you, Bob. You're a pop culture sponge! :-) > > (I say that with admiration and empathy.) > > "Boston Jim" > > >Bob > > >PS: Jim, I LOVED the Bizarro Superman and all those > Bizarro issues! So, whatever happened to Bizarro anyway? Is he still there somewhere in the 4th dimension (or whatever dimension he was from?) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:58:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence - --- SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/20/00 12:01:10 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > joni_reigns@hotmail.com writes: > > << But I would NEVER buy her CD . . . >> > > I bought her CD . . . and sent it to BOB!!!!!! > > Stephen :-D Whatever did Bob do to deserve that?? ;) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:02:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Covers Volume 4 My brother-in-Joni said: > For those of you brave enough to take on Volume 4, you'll soon discover that > KL's cover is not NEARLY as awful as some of these others. The version of CG > she does is cloyingly sweet sounding (you just look all around for Disney > animals to come dancing out of the sky), but there are others that are really > rancid. (And no, there's not a Rancid cover on the disc). > > NP: Jim Nabors, "BSN" (Yuck!):~) My copy of Vol 4 arrived yesterday here in Zoo Jersey. The scratch-n-sniff artwork on the disc itself is very appropriate! A combination of very aged Limburger and ripe aged gym socks That might explain the mailman's 'handkerchief on face' disguise ;-)) just kidding!! But there are some very surprising cuts on this Power of Cheese disc. Ever heard Mr Spock in pain? We've got it! Even Maude's not-so-little girl bouncing around! So make sure you get your cheese before the Wisconsin Attorney General's office shuts us down for defamation of the State Vegetable!! And a laurel and hearty handshake for our cover-meister, *THE* man from Greenville, our own Bob Muller. Thanks Bob, from all of us. Back to uninspired non-work here, Brian np: the best of laura nyro (hey, that's how she wrote it on the cover!) ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:06:15 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: FW: Talkin bout this generation (www.rollingstone.com) Harper Lou wrote: > > There is reason for hope, I know, and I insist on believing that people > > are inherently good. The evil ones just seem to be making more noise > > these days. And, alas, I play such a quiet instrument! Harper, thank you for your wonderful words. I likewise get discouraged by the shadow side of humanity. But what I get even more discouraged by is the lack of voice the good people have. It doesn't have to loud, just well placed and often. I still have yet to see the "underbelly" postings on the rollingstone.com site . . . we have simply brought light back to that discussion group. A quiet instrument does just fine. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:11:19 -0700 From: mbirdny@earthlink.net Subject: RE: pan am I may talk commodities and sales under the Pan Am roof, but I live in nothing close to Harry's House.... I'd say it's closer to a tenement castle, with two grey rooms, where I spend my days dodging the light like Blanche DuBois. I have a coffee percolator but no dishwasher, or figure skater ... Nickel Chief (P.S. To Kakki's friend who was unnerved by the name change from Pan Am to MetLife ... a lot of people still call it the Pan Am building, out of habit.) - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:16:49 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: joni and judy >(this was written regarding the accompanying >text to the LIFE mag pic of Joni and Judy in the >tree house at Big Sur that Rick posted to >Catgirl's list. if anyone didn't see it and >would like a copy, as it has some historical >significance to Joni's career, just write me and >I'll email you a copy) > I would definitely be interested in the pic. Thanks! Loree P.S. - What is the big falling out between Joni and Judy that I have heard of through the years? Sad not to see Judy at the Joni tribute. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:31:08 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: [JoniMitchellfans] Re: joni and judy In a message dated 6/20/00 10:54:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << The album it came from, 'In My Life' still reigns IMO as the best panorama of great, late '60's folk there is. >> I have to agree with you. And I once read that Joni loved this album as well. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:32:16 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Shadows and Light video re-release I wanted to purchase the "Shadows and Light" video this morning. Looking at amazon.com . . . I see that it is not currently being offered by Warner Brothers Video. Having read the reviews on amazon.com, I see that they are all demanding for Warner Brothers to wake up and re-release it on VHS and also this time on DVD. I found an e-mail address that goes to the executives, instead of customer services which is whvdirect@whv.wb.com In the meantime, I will go looking for a used VHS copy of "Shadow and Light" . . . . oh sigh. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:32:06 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Kathie Lee does a woman who's name mustn't be put at the same sentence In a message dated 6/20/00 10:58:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca writes: << Whatever did Bob do to deserve that?? ;) >> You want the list?? Stephen ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:37:43 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Workplace /Joni Lyric > Q: It occurred to me today that my place of employment is mentioned in a > Joni Mitchell lyric. Where do I work? > > The first person to guess correctly wins a can of bugspray. > > Nickel Chief > Now that Kakki won the prize, it's safe to express myself. I thought you might be a bridge troll... Who knew? (kidding...) Gotta luv me! NP: Judgement of the Moon and Stars Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:47:14 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Painting video & Joni's health Likewise, I looked at the amazon.com reviews on "Painting with Words and Music" . . . I have never seen such diverse reviews. Avid Joni fans either loved it or hated it. I'm trying to figure out which kind of Joni fan I would be before buying it! ha! Dear JMDLers, anyone have an opinion on this video? Quality of production? Quality of concert? Quality of audio? Do you have VHS or DVD also would be helpful to know. (I have a funny feeling there were problems with the DVD production standards) Also the amazon.com reviewer referred to Joni as having "frail health." I know she currently smokes like a stack, and from seeing some of the JMDL postings, I gather there has been drug use. Not to mention her post-polio symptoms (that can be serious stuff). However, I wouldn't have described her as in "frail health" seeing her on the TNT April tribute. And she just finished her BSN tour with back-to-back dates . . . oh and don't forget the art exhibit opening at the end of the month. (whew, I'm tired just typing it!) Anyway, what is the deal? Is Joni well? For some stupid reason, I keep thinking of Elvis' passing and wondering why NO ONE intervened his self-destructive behaviors before he died. Obviously there is a world of difference between Elvis and Joni . . . . bet I'll get e-mail on this statement ;) Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:00:28 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Walecki Benefit Kakki wrote: >Well, yeah I sure want to go. Anyone else here interested? Where two or >more jmdlers are gathered, there will always be a party ;-) Hey, I'll go! And the lineup is interesting enough that even Michele might want to go. Let's talk... ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:02:51 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Walecki Benefit Kakki also wrote: >Now the question is will Joni show up? She hasn't seemed to want to hang >with that gang in recent years. I'm sorry to bring this up but, guessing at >her perspective, I wouldn't be surprised if JB's participation in these >group benefits in recent years had something to do with it. Joni appeared with Jackson at least as late as '87...but I guess that was before Not To Blame, huh? ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:58:46 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: VLJC Jimmy Spheeris CDs Besides loving Joni's music so much, I have always held Jimmie Spheeris music close to my heart. Tragically, he died in 1983 from a drunk driver hitting him on his motorcycle immediately after he finished recording what is now his last album. From what I have read Joni also thought highly of his music (please correct me if I am wrong). I consider Jimmie's first album "Isle of View" an utter masterpiece . . . one of the very best of the late 20th century. Jimmie's close friends, with the support of fans, have re-released all of his albums onto CD (with "cooperation" from Sony, although I really hate to call it cooperation). Check it out at www.rainrecords.com Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:02:19 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: TNT Joni tribute I just heard from TNT on the April tribute to Joni. Their exact words are "Unfortunately no video or CD will be released for this program at this time." (e-mail is TNT@turner.com or Deborah.Sheats@turner.com) TNT has released these on other tributes in the past. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:11:55 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs All this talk about Kathie Lee Gifford's unfortunate cover of "Circle Game" got me thinking... So without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, here's today's Top Ten List... (SFX: DRUMROLL) The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs Anyone Could Ever Imagine... (SFX: POLITE APPLAUSE) Are you ready, folks? (SFX: MORE APPLAUSE) Number Ten: "Cherokee Louise" by Cher. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Nine: "Furry Sings the Blues" by Kenny G. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Eight: "People's Parties" by Elian Gonsalez. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Seven: "The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines" by Sherman Helmsley. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Six: "Harry's House/Centerpiece" by Martha Stewart. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Five: "Morning Morgantown" by Morgan Fairchild. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Four: "The Tea Leaf Prophecy (Lay Down Your Arms)" by Rosie O'Donnell. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Three: "This Flight Tonight" by Patsy Cline. (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Two: "Willy" by Monica Lewinsky. (SFX: APPLAUSE AND DRUMROLL) And the Number One Most Horrific Cover of Joni Mitchell Songs Anyone Could Ever Imagine: "Not to Blame" by OJ Simpson! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:40:20 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs LOL! "Boston Jim" > All this talk about Kathie Lee Gifford's unfortunate cover of "Circle Game" > got me thinking... So without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, here's > today's Top Ten List... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:38:15 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs (VLJC) In a message dated 6/20/00 12:21:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: << Number Seven: "The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines" by Sherman Helmsley >> LOL !!! ..........although I can't imagine Joni singing "Moving on up to the east side" or whatever the Jefferson's theme song is called. I do think I would add in your top ten: "Both Sides Now" by Renee Richards :~) No offense to any transgenders either ! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:06:36 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: FW: Talkin bout this generation (www.rollingstone.com) >joni_reigns@hotmail.com writes: > ><< I still have yet to see the "underbelly" postings on the >rollingstone.com > site . . . we have simply brought light back to that discussion group. A > quiet instrument does just fine. > Loree>> > >Loree, its not for the feinthearted. trust me. marcel No, Marcel . . . you misunderstood. I HAVE read every single one of the rollingstone.com postings. I was the one that brought it to the attention to JMDL. I was simply saying there have not been ANY negative postings since JMDLers starting posting on it. That we have brought light back to that discussion site. My English was poor. So sorry. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:24:17 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: Re: Jaco, Joni, & the cocaine apex i think it's the dark side of fixing the pump in the rain >From: B Merrill >Reply-To: B Merrill >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Jaco, Joni, & the cocaine apex >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:42:12 -0400 > >I've been reading _Jaco_ by Bill Milnowski. The relevant coincidence (for >us Joni fans) is that the point where he is "hanging" and touring with >Joni, 1976-7, happens to be both the point where his life goes through this >disastrous turnaround, and Jaco shifts from being emphatically straight to >emphatically druggy, and also (not coincidentally) at the cocaine apex when >"everybody" (in the hip US music world) was tooting away like their was no >tomorrow. Michael Brecker talks about how coked out their JM tour was: "It >was just a symptom of the times-- everybody was doing cocaine then." (See >88-92) > > Jaco was such a phenomenal musician (the most creative & extraordinary >musician that Joni has worked with?)... and this is appalling tragedy, the >way in which he fell apart... ending up on the streets, and finally killed. > >"...plenty of lines, >but nothing to say..." > >Bruce ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue Jun 20 13:25:56 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: TNT Joni tribute <> So who needs TNT, Loree - you've got the JMDL! Since it's NOT being released commercially, I'll be happy to burn you a copy of the CD (an excellent effort by Steve Polifka), or put it on tape if that's your preference. Just lemme know! Bob NP: Buena Vista Social Club, "Veinte Anos" ------------------------------ Date: Tue Jun 20 13:29:41 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs <> LOL! Great list, Bob! All this list needs, another wisecracking Bob...maybe we're a franchise! :~D Sidenote: Kakki, Stephen, Leslie, Philip - print this list out and start searching! :~D Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:12:44 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: The Top Ten Most Horrific Covers of Joni Mitchell Songs Yeah. OJ doin' "Not To Blame". With his fortunate and famous "buddies" doing back up vocals! Peg > > "Not to Blame" by OJ Simpson! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:46:12 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Jaco, Joni, & the cocaine apex What is meant by this comment, in layperson's terms? "Boston Jim" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ada Wittenberger > > i think it's the dark side of fixing the pump in the rain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:12:26 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Painting video At 03:47 PM 6/20/00 GMT, "Joni Fan" wrote regarding "Painting With words and Music"... >I have a funny feeling there were problems with the DVD production standards Don't know where this "funny feeling" comes from but it's unfounded. The DVD is of excellent quality...razor-sharp video and 5.1 channel crisp and clean audio. A joy to watch. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:13:55 EDT From: "Sara *" Subject: Re: www.rollingstone.com trashes joni Hey Harper Lou~ Sorry that this is a little late, but I have been busy and trying to catch up on all the messages that I have not yet read - what a task! Well, yes at times I too get discouraged by today's youth. I am a part of this generation, and I cannot say that I am overly proud of that at times. But you have to remember, not every young person today is like the people on the Rolling Stone message board or like your drummer friend. I was disgusted to read about your friend and the German Shepherd. I just think that you have to remember to keep the faith. I'm 15, and I absolutely LOVE Joni and do not support Manson, or the like, in anyway. I'm an animal rights activist and vegetarian. I volunteer in my free time at a soup kitchen, and this summer I am hoping to volunteer at a summer camp for under privileged inner-city children. Yes, it may seem that young people like me are very scarce, but we do exist. You just have to know where to look, and that place is not at a Rolling Stone message board . . . it is right here at the jmdl! Always Keep the Faith Sara >From: Louis Lynch >Reply-To: Louis Lynch >To: "'joni@smoe.org'" >Subject: www.rollingstone.com trashes joni >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:22:28 -0700 > >Sorry, but I'm feeling a lot of lost hope for this next generation right >now. > >I just had a talk with a young drummer friend of mine (24). He was telling >me some of the exploits of a certain party house he frequents -- "cute" >little stories about how enough Ecstasy can turn an 18-year-girl into an >animal who will do all the men in the place. How the best sex is when you >don't know the other person's name. How last weekend they were partying on >the rooftop, and they got the German Shepherd drunk for kicks -- the dog >lost his bearings and fell three stories to the pavement below. They >recorded the dog's anguished howling, and one of the rock musicians has >dubbed it as a "cool" background track on his current recording. > >There are more stories, I'm sure. But I made him stop. > >I guess, like the middle age man I now am, I showed utter contempt for it >all. He told me that I was being a hypocrite -- rock musicians need >decadence, and we did drugs and had sex and all that when we were his age. > >But, the big difference is that we still recognized some sense of human >value. Mick Jagger was still inviting someone to spend the night together >-- not drugging her to do it. > >I guess we were so busy with our sex, drugs and rock and roll, we forgot to >carry those value forward to our kids, eh? > >Could someone counter the rollingstone site with something hopeful? I'm >feeling a bit vamped out here. > >Harper Lou ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:14:50 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: joni and judy Don Rowe wrote: >Judy herself mailed a list member (her e-mail was >forwarded to the jmdl), and put that nasty little >rumor to rest in some of the most stunningly beautiful >language and phrasing I've ever had the pleasure to >read. Judy Collins continues to admire Joni, and is >completely understanding of how business decisions and >timing kept her from performing -- though Joni had >originally asked that she be in the line-up. Don, thanks for clearing some of that up. So if I understand correctly, Judy could not perform because of scheduling issues? And there never was a falling out? I always thought it may have been a petty rumour (people like the thought of stars in cat fights, etc.), but it seemed odd that Judy was missing from the tribute line-up. I would love to read Judy's letter if someone still has that around. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:04:42 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Joni Mitchell, my brilliant goon, by Garret Gaston That was adorable!!! Joni, our light in shining armor. Peg > ----- > > Thjs was brilliantly funny! Thanks for sharing! > > (the Rev) Vince > > "James A. Murray" wrote: > > > This is classic! Just had to share. Appeared in the Seattle Weekly a > > couple months ago. > > > > http://faculty.uca.edu/james.murray/joni150.gif > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:15:04 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: Anne's healing Ashara, So what's this about the New England Labor Day Jonifest???!!! I'm a good hugger. Peg > -----, Anne, but I also want to say this is POSSIBLE!!! > Everyone on the list just needs to come to the {annual?} New > England Labor > Day Jonifest, and you will be able to hug each and every lister. > Ashara > www.photon.net/lightnet > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:41:09 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: Re: Jaco, Joni, & the cocaine apex thank you for asking ,Boston Jim. the words fix and pump are narcotic terms in popular use since the early 6o's and like many other narcotic terms they come from non-narcotic world so it's always better - and i realy mean that it's better - to hear the song and think of noah fixing a pump in a very normal day-to-day use of the 2 words you know in the rain with his tools and unless we were talking about joni - i'd say who ever wrote that line was refering to nothing but life in a lane - but joni is so aware to every word and sees every meaning that's connecting it to many many areas in life - that i would be how should i say it properly - i would realy be a fool to think that joni didn't understand that the words she sings have a lots and lots of meanings all folded to one word. (that's why i'd like someday if anyone could tell me who's the man that tought her to love words if i recall the detication). if you go from one album to the next - you'll always find narcotic terms in joni's lyrics - and i don't mean "like you love cocaine" which is in the listenr's face - but to terms in the sense of c o d e s that are the a to z of the narcotic world. i'm sure you can think of some right now. our conversation is just the begining to an issue that with all respect to k.lee.opatra - has cuased too much damage to too many bodies and souls. i'm smoking menthol cigarets by the way and i don't let any sort of drug or alchohol reach any sense of mine. i believe in water. later then, nuriel >From: "James L. Leonard" >Reply-To: "James L. Leonard" >To: "Ada Wittenberger" , >Subject: Re: Jaco, Joni, & the cocaine apex >Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:46:12 -0700 > >What is meant by this comment, in layperson's terms? > >"Boston Jim" > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ada Wittenberger > > > > i think it's the dark side of fixing the pump in the rain > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #257 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?