From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #254 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, June 19 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 254 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Positive comments needed [Bounced Message ] Article from the globeandmail.com Web Centre [Rose Marie Joy ] Re: HOSL cover queries ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Rolling Stone Boys' Club? [B Merrill ] What is "Painting with Words and Music" ["Joni Fan" ] Re: What is "Painting with Words and Music" [pat holden ] Re: What is "Painting with Words and Music" ["Joni Fan" ] Re: YOUR positive comments are needed ["Joni Fan" ] RE: YOUR positive comments are needed ["Peg Eves" ] Joni At Alpine 79 (LJC) ["Susan" ] Rolling Stone message board ["Joni Fan" ] Re: HOSL cover queries [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: YOUR positive comments are needed ["Joni Fan" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:45:22 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Positive comments needed From: "Joni Fan" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:48:05 GMT I checked out the www.rollingstone.com site today and looked at the "discussion" message board. The majority of postings are people bashing and trashing Joni mostly for their own pleasure. The message board needs proper perspective . . . namely OURS. Please go to http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/boards/text/default.asp?afl=&comingfrom=artist&aid=360 and post whatever message you feel drawn to. If you take a few minutes and read some of the earlier postings, you will see how awful they are. I personally put in the "LoveOverHate" message #62 trying to shift the energy. Thanks for your help!! Loree ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:09 -0400 From: Rose Marie Joy Subject: Article from the globeandmail.com Web Centre - --====961412948==== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This e-mail has been sent to you by Rose Marie Joy (rosemjoy@aol.com) from = the globeandmail.com Web Centre. Message: While I was doing a search for Joni in the Globe and Mail, I found= this article about Carley Simon. I thought it may be of some interest.=0D =0D Rose The Globe and Mail, Tuesday, June 13, 2000 Scarred by wisdom Carly Simon's latest album reveals a singer-songwriter newly gifted with = a sense of life's fragility By Simon Houpt New York -- CARLY SIMON doesn't want to talk about breast cancer. Perhaps some background is necessary. In the fall of 1997, doctors discover= ed a lump in the singer's left breast. Shortly thereafter, a tabloid report= er discovered the discovery, throwing a reluctant Simon into the spotlight.= For two and a half years, she has been something of an unwilling poster gi= rl for the disease, dutifully offering the public occasional updates on her= condition and urging women to have regular mammograms. Catching her cancer= early, Simon underwent a mastectomy and chemotherapy. Now it is time to move on; continuing to talk about cancer makes her melanc= holy. In the weeks leading up to an interview in anticipation of her new al= bum, nervous publicists arranging the sit-down repeatedly insist on a ban o= n questions about the C-word. But here's the problem. The Bedroom Tapes, which arrives in stores today, i= s suffused with the blue spirit of Simon's recent experience. In 1998, afte= r the mastectomy and still weak from treatment, she retreated to her sprawl= ing homestead on Martha's Vineyard and sought comfort in familiar things. A= lone in the house after her children had fled the nest and with her husband= spending most of his time in New York, Simon turned to music. Converting h= er daughter's old room into a studio, she loaded it up with recording equip= ment and instruments she could play whenever the mood struck, regardless of= the hour. She rolled the tape unconcerned with how the music might play on= the radio. Two of the resulting tracks directly address Simon's bout with cancer. The = other pieces have been written by a singer-songwriter newly gifted with an = awareness of mortality and the fragility of life. So when she appeared last= Friday afternoon in the funky administrative offices of a New York City-ba= sed television network for an interview with The Globe and Mail, the issue = of breast cancer danced in the air like lightning looking to touch down. The Bedroom Tapes is Simon's first album of original material in almost six= years. Her last issue, 1997's Film Noir, was a collection of standards by = Cole Porter, Hoagy Carmichael, Frank Loesser and others. The disc helped co= mplete her obligations to Arista Records, while circumventing Simon's strug= gle with writer's block. After that, with no record contract in hand, she w= as able to withdraw from the usual demands of record execs and focus on mak= ing music she wanted to hear instead of the banal market-driven tunes she h= ad been under pressure to produce. The result is one of Simon's richest efforts in more than a decade, though = in a landscape littered with manufactured pop hits, she knows she stands li= ttle chance of even making it onto the charts. "The record company [she re-= signed with Arista] is not willing to spend any money on me at all," Simon = sighed as she took her seat, getting straight to the point. "There's no vid= eo. They just won't do anything for me." Her shaggy blond hair a little was= hed out from the years, she nevertheless looks in fighting trim. She is tan= ned and fit, lanky in skateboarding pants and a floral print blouse thrown = over a one-piece bathing suit. She is trying not to take the snub from Arista, where she has made her home= for the last 15 years, too much to heart. She is working hard to ignore th= e fact that there are no posters of her up at the recording company's headq= uarters, while the office walls are lousy with posters of just about every = other Arista artist. Even Barry Manilow. She knows that kind of stuff shouldn't matter. It seems that cancer has a = way of imparting wisdom, of drawing heavy lines between what is important i= n life and what is trivial. Simon is trying to prevent her self-regard from= being affected by things over which she has no control. "Every time I'm beginning to feel that maybe I'm consequential, I have the = record company who pays absolutely no attention to me and thinks I'm nothin= g. So I see that and say, 'Oh yeah, I am guess I am nothing to my peers,' "= she offers. "Say for the purpose of argument that my record became a hit, = and all of a sudden there's a picture of me up at Arista, because all of a = sudden they're proud of me. Why would I believe that any more than I believ= e the inconsequentialness of me right now?" Yes, she admits that she believed she was important back in the days she wa= s at the top of the charts. She recalls the period following her triumph wi= th No Secrets, the 1972 album that contained her biggest hit up to that poi= nt, You're So Vain. At the time, she was literally at the top of the pop wo= rld, playing queen to James Taylor's king after the two married that year. = Her follow-up album, Hotcakes, was released in January, 1974 and went to No= . 3 on the charts. But Simon was furious with David Geffen. He had released= her album at the same time he brought out Bob Dylan's Planet Waves and Jon= i Mitchell's Court and Spark, and those other discs were hogging the top tw= o spots. "I called David Geffen in a rage. Of course, that was pretty laughable. I w= as complaining about being No. 3. It just shows that it's all relative. If = you're used to being No. 1, chances are you're going to have a tougher time= gaining humility about being No. 3." Since those days, of course, Simon has had more than enough time to gain hu= mility. She and James Taylor divorced in 1982, pop music morphed into somet= hing else and her career has never again experienced the highs of those ear= ly years. When everything changes, how do you hold on to what matters? "The= answer is there has to be something far more important, on another plane t= hat you trust," she says. But judging by the album, there are few things Simon feels secure enough to= trust. In a sharp quartet of songs, she savages the patronizing pretension= s of fame and friendship. One number, titled We Your Dearest Friends, is a = vitriolic take on a former friend's behind-the-back sniping. "Nobody wants = you / And we the least of all / It's been a long time / Since you had those= famous lovers," Simon sings, mimicking harsh words originally aimed at her. Faced with cancer, an ambivalent record company, writer's block and the bet= rayals of friends, Simon's world was upended. She questioned first principl= es. Eventually, she turned to the mark left behind by her mastectomy and wr= ote perhaps the most poignant number on the album, Scar. "Wisdom is ephemeral," Simon remarks. "There's a wise woman in Scar. She sa= ys 'Lead with your spirit and follow your scar.' My scar points in the dire= ction of my heart." Lightning touches down. Simon lets her blouse fall away= from her left shoulder. A riverbed of tissue runs along the side of her ri= b cage. "My scar seems to have a wisdom," she says, touching it gently. "It's somet= hing that I've learned to be really proud of. I don't hide my scar. If I we= ar a low-cut dress you see it. I love it. I suppose it's not that different= from a soldier's scars. They're signs that you've survived. "There are these creams that are supposed to get rid of your scar. You're s= upposed to rub them in and your scars will go away. I have no desire to get= rid of my scar. Why would you want to cover up a scar?" Like a character i= n a Michael Ondaatje poem, she recognizes the only thing that can be known = for certain is the geography marked on our own bodies. She figures her outl= ook comes from something her mother once said. "She had arthritis in her joints, really knobbly joints, like a gnarled tre= e," Simon recalls with a smile, imitating her mother's prematurely clenched= fists. "One day she held up her hands and said, 'Don't you just love my ha= nds? Look at this -- it's not always comfortable, but don't you think it's = beautiful?' " Copyright 2000 | The Globe and Mail Visit the globeandmail.com Web Centre for your competitive edge. News: http://www.globeandmail.com Books: http://www.chaptersglobe.com Careers: http://www.globecareers.com Mutual Funds: http://www.globefund.com Stocks: http://www.globeinvestor.com ROB Magazine: http://www.robmagazine.com Technology: http://www.globetechnology.com ROBTv: http://www.robtv.com=20=20=20 Wheels: http://www.globemegawheels.com - ------------- Onvia.com. Work. Wisely. Onvia.com is the premier e-marketplace for small business and entrepreneurs= . Find the resources you need to build your business. Check it out. < http://www.onvia.com/canada > - ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:15 -0400 From: Rose Marie Joy Subject: Article from the globeandmail.com Web Centre - --====961413301==== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This e-mail has been sent to you by Rose Marie Joy (rosemjoy@aol.com) from = the globeandmail.com Web Centre. Message: Here's another interesting article on Cassandra Wilson.=0D =0D Regards,=0D Rose The Globe and Mail, Tuesday, June 13, 2000 Wilson is beyond prediction Old, new, borrowed and blue: the singer always gives her fans what they n= eed By Mark Miller Toronto -- Cassandra Wilson, it seems, has the perfect audience. Not that t= he Mississippi-born, Manhattan-based singer is clear as to exactly who's go= ing to show up on any given night -- tomorrow night, for example, at Roy Th= omson Hall in Toronto. "I don't know whether they're jazzheads, purists, po= p followers or whatever," she admitted in a recent telephone interview. "I = just know that they're there." They're there and there are plenty of them, enough to account for sales of = more than a million between her first two CDs for Blue Note, Blue Light 'Ti= l Dawn (1993) and New Moon Daughter (1996). Better yet, Wilson's fans are p= repared to take her on faith. Wherever she wants to go and whatever she wan= ts to do is fine by them. And Wilson, who is "early 40-something" and a goo= d 15 years into her recording career, has long since proven herself to be b= eyond prediction. "Generally," she noted, "I find that the audiences that come to see me expe= ct something old and something new." And surely something borrowed and some= thing blue -- hers is, after all, a marriage of rural and urban musical Ame= ricana, combining classic Robert Johnson and Son House songs, direct from t= he Mississippi Delta, with jazz standards and more recent hits from the Jon= i Mitchell, Monkees and Neil Young catalogues. "Yeah, borrowed and blue," she agreed with a light laugh. "My fans tend to = expect that of me, really. They want to see some sort of evolution. They do= n't want to see the same show as they saw last year." Last year's show was built around her third Blue Note CD, Traveling Miles (= 1999), in which she paid tribute to the legacy of the late jazz trumpeter M= iles Davis. This year's program still includes some of that material, along= with songs drawn from as far back as Jumpworld, a 1989 recording for the G= erman JMT label, and new pieces that are still taking shape for her next Bl= ue Note CD. If there's a clue as to what that CD might sound like, it could lie in Wils= on's own listening pleasures these days, the Cuban band Synthesis foremost = among them. Everybody, but everybody, is going Cuban these days; Wilson's n= aturally cagey about the extent to which she might be jumping on the bandwa= gon. "I don't know if you can hear [the influence] directly. What do they s= ay, good composers borrow, great composers steal? You don't want to really = be obvious with what you're experiencing at the moment, you want to blend i= t in with your own personal style." Speaking of listening pleasures, how about Joni Mitchell's recent foray int= o jazz, Both Sides Now? Wilson has freely acknowledged the influence of Mit= chell's earlier work as a folk singer and songwriter on her own music; she = must have some thoughts on this new transformation. Indeed, she offers it a= ringing endorsement. "I think it's wonderful and I think it's about time. = I think she can flourish in this music. She has always been a jazz artist t= o my ears, and it's just now that people are beginning to allow her that co= ntext." Both Sides Now finds Mitchell singing jazz and pop standards to full orches= tral accompaniment, strings soaring. That's something that Wilson herself h= as not yet done, but she admits that she's interested. "I think every singe= r at some point wants to be inside of an orchestra, to have that kind of lu= sh context to relax in. There's a certain energy you can always rely on whe= n you have that many musicians around you. So yeah, every singer would love= to be in that situation -- maybe not all the time, but once in a while." To date, of course, Wilson has pursued a very different musical esthetic. H= er bands have been fairly small, somewhat eclectic and very loose; spontane= ity is key and textures are important. "I tend not to like to be in situati= ons where the music is rigid, where there are parts that you know are going= to be played the same way every night. I prefer being in the moment and be= ing able to access all kinds of weird energies on the stage." Some of the weirdest energies in recent years have been supplied by Toronto= guitarist Kevin Breit, whose other commitments -- including a Blue Note CD= of his own -- have kept him from touring with Wilson again this year. Marv= in Sewell is handling her guitar work these days; bassist Lonnie Plaxico an= d percussionist Jeff Haynes continue as before, while pianist George Collig= an and drummer Lionel Cordew are new since Wilson's last Toronto appearance= at Harbourfront in June, 1999. Those among her fans who continue to look for "some sort of evolution," has= she puts it, will no doubt have remarked on her growing confidence and loo= ming personality on-stage. She's a much bolder and more expansive performer= than the fragile figure who seemed swept along by the music of Blue Light = 'Til Dawn just a few years ago. Wilson doesn't disagree. "This time around," she promised, "I'm even bolder= . I find I'm moving more on-stage, dancing more. I think I'm a late bloomer= in a lot of respects. I have so concentrated on the music -- on honing my = skills inside the music -- that performance has come to me gradually. I use= d to really love to hide inside the music and be a part of the fabric of it= . I didn't feel that it was important to stand out front and take the role = of leader so obviously. But the older I get, I realize, 'Yeah, I can do tha= t.' For my benefit -- and for the audience." Copyright 2000 | The Globe and Mail Visit the globeandmail.com Web Centre for your competitive edge. News: http://www.globeandmail.com Books: http://www.chaptersglobe.com Careers: http://www.globecareers.com Mutual Funds: http://www.globefund.com Stocks: http://www.globeinvestor.com ROB Magazine: http://www.robmagazine.com Technology: http://www.globetechnology.com ROBTv: http://www.robtv.com=20=20=20 Wheels: http://www.globemegawheels.com - ------------- Onvia.com. Work. Wisely. Onvia.com is the premier e-marketplace for small business and entrepreneurs= . Find the resources you need to build your business. Check it out. < http://www.onvia.com/canada > - ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:54:50 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: HOSL cover queries - ----- Original Message ----- From: B Merrill > > >HOSL is featured in a brilliant book published by DK last year called > >100 Best Album Covers (The Stories Behind The Sleeves). It's written > >by the founders of Hipgnosis who designed famous sleeves for > >people like Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd,... > > Yes I'll bet they did that great P Floyd cover of > > THE AERIAL PIG OVER THE BATTERSEA POWER STATION!!! > That one is not featured in the book Bruce. Instead they picked Dark Side Of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, and another whose name I don't recall at the moment. I suppose they allowed themselves a little bias in talking about their own designs. I can't praise this book highly enough for anyone who's interested in graphic art or music. The only thing that puzzles me is how they can retail something of this outstanding quality for so low a price and stay in business. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:33:28 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: HOSL cover queries - ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia O'Connor > The church is > not central to this suburb, it's literally out in "left field", precariously > perched on the edge a cliff, in danger of falling off and being wiped out > completely. God is not central to this society Good point. The people are carrying the dead serpent towards the church. Meaning that these people are the ones who have conquered satan. Not the evil and corrupt church where the steeples lean. > She also thanks Blue, which seems to me additional proof that Blue > is James Taylor; he provides vocals on" In France They Kiss on Main > Street", and guitar on the title track. Don't know if I can go along with that theory, Patricia. Nash and Crosby also sing on that tune. It wouldn't be very Jonilike to thank only one of the chaps :) Philip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:36:07 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Positive comments needed Wow, what a shock THAT Rolling Stone message board is. Now I can see how Clinton was elected.....twice. When God was handing out brains the entire group of posters allowed sea plankton to cut in front of them in line. It is hard to imagine how they find it so easy to villify without even bothering to include some true opinion. As Bruce Hornsby said, "Thats the way it is today" in the culture of personal destruction. I would beg to differ Les, in this regard, any attempt to discuss or debate the ignorant cretins on that list will only be a waste of time unless we were to organize a massive write in campaign that by its sheer magnitude overwhelmed the website. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:31:55 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: HOSL cover queries Patricia wrote:... >cities, they're "Levittown", "cookie-cutter" houses. - --but Levittown houses (BTW there are two Levittowns, on Long Island & in NJ) were *rigidly* similar in a way that these are not. The original developments anyway. I gather that the residents went on to "personalize" their properties superficially. But these have a structural differentiation. >Four of the "cookie-cutter" houses are rendered in the cover art, they >surround what is a protypical farmhouse - the 2 story one with the porch. >The "jungle line" of the city, has encroached on the farms. The church is >not central to this suburb, it's literally out in "left field", precariously >perched on the edge a cliff, in danger of falling off and being wiped out >completely. God is not central to this society. Yeah, this is the same church wherein "the truth goes up in vapors..." As the foundation of faith gives way... it's gonna tumble down the western slopes onto Joni's bijou hideaway during the next earthquake or winter wash-out. Next album: "The Rumbling of Winter Canyons." Watch out Joni. Out of the pool! [N.P. RickeLee J singing "Traces of the Western Slopes..."] >To take it one step further (one step too far? :>) the house closest to the >church is the only one with some lawn furniture out front, maybe an >indication that it's inhabitants are closer to nature? closer to God, closer >to nature? I like it! But it may well be "one step beyond..." (by Madness). I'd say that those cats aren't going nowhere. Backyard stasis of the Am. Dream. >Additionally the snake and "primitive men" are embossed on the orignal LP >cover, another "jungle line", a dead snake it's primitive hissing replaced >by the hissing of lawn sprinklers. And I miss that boss emboss-ment. Ah for the good old daze when one could spend (stoned?) hours gazing into a big beautiful hefty cover... Is it time to dig my strobe-lights out of the attic? >The house on the far right to me, is the interesting one. That house and >the pool are stand-outs as they are the only things printed in aqua. The >reason for this could be as simple as a device to move one's eyes across the >artwork, or it could be a visual metaphor of the American Dream..."Look! you >could move from this little ranch house to this Bel-Air mansion!", in fact >parked in front of the house is a car, (a symbol, an integral part of the >American Dream) to facilitate that movement. Nice... Yes, the aqua frames the image. >The cover art is, as Joni states in the liner notes, integral to the whole, >to the total work. The artwork graphically represents many themes explored >lyrically and musically in the album: Jungle line, suburbia, wealth. I >still don't think that the mystery mentioned in those notes (Bruce! :>) >refers to the "total work", but rather to how the totality was acheived. And would you like to resume our argument? >All the needed information is there for the final part of the whole, the >listener, and the viewer to interpret. "All the needed information is there..." Well, of course! And so the whole is simply self-evident...? Then why the "clues"? And if it were self-evident (if there were no mystery), then why would we be discussing it? Were it obvious, there would be nothing to discuss. Meanwhile, here's another part of the "total work" that we haven't touched. Joni announces: "This is a total work, conceived graphically, musically, lyrically and accidentally-- as a whole...." We've discussed the graphical and the lyrical (thematic) whole. But one remaining question is: In what regard is Hissing a musical whole? (Is that self-evident, Patricia?) Since, with respect to its music (styles, instrumentation), it is the most diverse of all of Joni's albums, n'est-ce-pas? What say? Bruce M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:23:25 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: HOSL cover queries Bruce wrote; > --but Levittown houses (BTW there are two Levittowns, on Long Island & in > NJ) were *rigidly* similar in a way that these are not. I don't know of a Levittown in NJ, there is one in Pennsylvania, a suburb of Phila. and there is a large Levitt development in Virginia, a DC suburb, near Sterling I believe. The houses are the same, and rigidly so. From the left: The first house has a floorplan oriented so that the door is on the right side of the front elevation. The second house has flopped that floor plan (a common trick in any housing development) so that the entry is on the left, the entry porch has been enclosed, and the 2 double-hung windows have been replaced with a single "picture" window of the type so popular in the 50's. The third is exactly the same as the first except uses the flopped floorplan. The fourth (the one to the right of the "farm house" is the same as the first with it's windows replaced as in the second house. I see no structural differences, even the chimneys are placed in exactly the same place within the plans. But these as I have said are not Levittown houses, they are of that genre. > And would you like to resume our argument? Maybe later. Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:00:22 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: JONI and YOKO Oh I think I would want to hear Yoko do 'A Case of You' .... can you just imagine her belting out 'oh Canadaaaaaaaaaaaa' ? Yoko could surely improvise with that one ;-) Heather At 09:09 AM 6/18/00 -0400, RickieLee1@aol.com wrote: >joni and yoko...now there would be a meeting of the minds. i wonder how long >it would take before the floor was covered with black and blonde hair...let's >see...joni could do a cover of yoko's "walking on thin ice" (yoko would >probably have to guest solo for the barks...) and yoko could do a cover of >"blue". and then the fur would start to fly.... > >what an interesting coupling. > >and, as the archives will attest, i am a great admirer of yoko. barks and >all... > >ric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:57:25 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Rolling Stone Boys' Club? MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: >Wow, what a shock THAT Rolling Stone message board is. Is it the case that RS has been, over the years, a kind of "boys club" which has been consistently prejudiced against those wonderful FEMALE ambitious singer-songwriters? (Laura N, Joni, Ricky, Kate B, et al?) Boys clubbing the girls? I'm only hazarding a guess here, not being up on RS. Bruce PS Apologies for leaving out your favorite female... PPS Now I can see how >Clinton was elected.....twice. As opposed to Dole? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:59:09 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: What is "Painting with Words and Music" I'm unfamilar with "Painting with Words and Music" released in 1999. Anyone out there know what this is? Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:13:01 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: YOUR positive comments are needed I checked out the www.rollingstone.com site yesterday and looked at the "discussion" message board. The majority of postings are people bashing and trashing Joni mostly for their own pleasure. The message board needs proper perspective . . . namely OURS. Please go to http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/boards/text/default.asp?afl=&comingfrom=artist&aid=360 and post whatever message you feel drawn to. If you take a few minutes and read some of the earlier postings, you will see how awful they are. We can just turn our heads or we can do something about it. I personally put in the "LoveOverHate" message #62 trying to shift the energy. Thanks, Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:21:22 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: What is "Painting with Words and Music" as a calligraphic artist and life long lover of music, i see the expression painting of words to mean falling into the creation of something which comes from deep within your very being. letters join letters to form words which then become fine art. Painting, writing, making music they walk hand in hand to give expression to the soul's deepest longings. Mags who is listening to For the Roses and looking at her Painting with Words fine art print by UK Calligraphic artist Donald Jackson and thinks shes on the right track. Joni Fan wrote: > I'm unfamilar with "Painting with Words and Music" released in 1999. > > Anyone out there know what this is? > > Loree > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon Jun 19 11:19:48 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: What is "Painting with Words and Music" <> Hi Loree, This is a video performance by Joni & band, recorded in the Spring of '98. It's a great show and many JMDLer's were there for the taping. I'm sure they can fill you in on more detail than I... Bob NP: Jackson Browne, "Running On Empty" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:21:09 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI and YOKO (md) Other people Joni could collaberate with : 10) Albert Einstein: Hes dead but then he can still sing today every bit as good as Yoko. 9) Rock: The wresting superstar is able to make the same kind of noises during take downs as Yoko does on half her tracks. 8) Roberto Alomar: Joni could incorporate multitrak sound overdubs of spitting onto her next tune and be cutting edge and just as talented as Yoko. 7) Orca the Killer Whale: The similarity between Killer Whales mating and Yokos "contributions" to the recording arts and sciences is eerie. Go for it Joni. 6) Diamanda Galas: This only works if Diamanda is at the same time trying to steal Jonis beau THEN they can be on the same record together. 5) The Cast from Stomp: Now a remake of Jungle Line with these guys is a snap. 4) Dr. Ruth: Joni needs to envision what potential there is for a running commentary on masturbation out of one speaker with her music coming out of the other would do to expand her fan base. 3) Michael Jordan: Why not, everyone else on the entire planet is. 2) Flipper: Ever since he subbed for Yoko on the Plastic Glass tour to do harmony parts with John and nobody noticed the option has always been there for further collaberation with cutting edge artists. That no one could understand a single thing that Flipper sang on the entire tour mirrors Yokos act.. Instead of royalties or money you only need to provide live herring as compensation. 1) Al Sharpton: Hillary Clinton has already proven who you go to if you want to increase your popularity in the Big Apple. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:31:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: YOUR positive comments are needed I'm afraid that, since no procedure for brain transplant (implant???) has been developed, that our comments would only meet with more of the same inarticulate, juvenile derision. It's not really about Joni Mitchell though, just more evidence to support the herd theory of human behavior -- not that we doubted it amongst the reader demographics of RS. ;-) Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:30:31 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: What is "Painting with Words and Music" Thank you, Bob! I'll look into buying it, seems like it is hard to find though, but I think CDnow has it. Loree NP: Birds tweeting with a gentle rain falling. >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: >CC: >Subject: Re: What is "Painting with Words and Music" >Date: Mon Jun 19 11:19:48 2000 > >< >Anyone out there know what this is?>> > >Hi Loree, > >This is a video performance by Joni & band, recorded in the Spring of '98. >It's a great show and many JMDLer's were there for the taping. > >I'm sure they can fill you in on more detail than I... > >Bob > >NP: Jackson Browne, "Running On Empty" > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:51:43 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: HOSL cover queries Joni mentions Orange County in the HOSL "thanks". Does anyone know any Joni conections to OC, whether California, Florida... are there other OCs? ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:54:59 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: YOUR positive comments are needed Don and Bob, Yes, both of you have pointed this out in regards to the "brain dead" individuals posting. But having read all the postings, I see that some people actually tried to post positive comments early on. The "bullies" of the message board muscled in and have "won." Few dare to post positive comments probably for the same reasons you guys have mentioned. I put in message #62 and am surprised at the lack of negative postings following it. Like bullies in a playground, you either just let them take over or those of us that care about Joni can move in. I just quickly set up a free hotmail e-mail account (www.hotmail.com) for postings, then I don't care what crap comes in on it. I'm not suggesting that we all post to argue with these "brain damaged" folks at all!! I'm suggesting posting your positive comments about Joni, whatever they may be. I'm proud of Rolling Stone for them profiling her . . . we are certainly not supporting them by letting the "bullies" take over. Obviously, you need to do only what you are comfortable with. And I certainly agree, the "juveniles" will continue to post more crap . . . . big deal. I signed onto the JMDL specifically to get help on this message board. So it has been disappointing on some of the initial response, but I definitely respect your opinion . . . I had some of the same feelings initially. Thanks, Loree >From: Don Rowe >To: Joni Fan >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: YOUR positive comments are needed >Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:31:21 -0700 (PDT) > >I'm afraid that, since no procedure for brain >transplant (implant???) has been developed, that our >comments would only meet with more of the same >inarticulate, juvenile derision. It's not really >about Joni Mitchell though, just more evidence to >support the herd theory of human behavior -- not that >we doubted it amongst the reader demographics of RS. >;-) > >Don Rowe > >===== >"I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are >others hiding history from ME." > >-- Shelby Foote > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:59:24 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Songwriters Hall of Fame Awards (SJC) This past Thursday was the 31st annual Songwriters Hall of Fame Awards, which were presented to James Brown, Don Henley, Glen Frey, Curtis Mayfield (posthumously), James Taylor, and Brian Wilson. Does anyone know if Joni has ever recieved this award? I know she was inducted in the Rock in Roll Hall of Fame and she received the ASCAP award, but I couldn't find any info on the Songwriters Hall of Fame (which we all know she should be in there). I looked all around Wally's page in case someone snaps at me to do my homework :~) Anyone know? Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:58:40 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: Positive comments needed MDESTE1@aol.com posted: > Wow, what a shock THAT Rolling Stone message board is. Now I can see how > Clinton was elected.....twice. When God was handing out brains the entire > group of posters allowed sea plankton to cut in front of them in line. It is > hard to imagine how they find it so easy to villify without even bothering to > include some true opinion. As Bruce Hornsby said, "Thats the way it is today" > in the culture of personal destruction. I would beg to differ Les, in this > regard, any attempt to discuss or debate the ignorant cretins on that list > will only be a waste of time unless we were to organize a massive write in > campaign that by its sheer magnitude overwhelmed the website. > marcel deste. > If you go back to the first few posts in that *discussion* you'll see that it actually starts out with people expressing their love of Joni and then deteriorates as idiots start hijacking the thread for no other reason then that they can. Rick in Belcarra ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:43:25 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: YOUR positive comments are needed Joni Fan, Well I went to the Rolling Stone site and read some of the detritus aimed at Joni the posters were emitting. I stopped reading at the vulgar one. I certainly don't want those "people" to have access to my email address. So I'm not sure how to approach this. Is that shit even legal? Peg > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Joni > Fan > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:13 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: YOUR positive comments are needed > > > I checked out the www.rollingstone.com site yesterday and looked at the > "discussion" message board. The majority of postings are people > bashing and > trashing Joni mostly for their own pleasure. > > The message board needs proper perspective . . . namely OURS. > > Please go to > http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/boards/text/default.asp?afl=& comingfrom=artist&aid=360 and post whatever message you feel drawn to. If you take a few minutes and read some of the earlier postings, you will see how awful they are. We can just turn our heads or we can do something about it. I personally put in the "LoveOverHate" message #62 trying to shift the energy. Thanks, Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:07:16 -0500 From: "Susan" Subject: Joni At Alpine 79 (LJC) > Also found out that he was at the '79 show in East Troy, WI that got rained out. > I was also at this show! I believe the show lasted about 7 or 8 songs. But I also remember Joni coming back on stage and talking to the few of us who were left wading in front of the stage. It was the first time I made actual eye contact with her - I'm sure she remembers that and of course it has been the inspiration for many a song over the years! ;- ) Sorry I missed the local show in Lincoln Park this weekend and especially the opportunity to meet some of you, but alas I had previous plans. And for the rest of you Chicagoland listers GO GO WHITE SOX! I think I may be at the game tonight. We have certainly looked at baseball from "Both Sides Now" - how do you like this view Cubbie fans? Just a friendly ribbing, not interested in debating baseball on the site although I am so tempted! HOLD me BacK my brothers and sisters! Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:10:16 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Rolling Stone message board As a follow-up to the ugly postings on the www.rollingstone.com discussion board. I noticed the only posting (which was also nasty) following mine is now gone . . . the author just deleted it. It followed my message from yesterday (message #61, I may have accidently called it #62 earlier) "LoveOverHate" which countered the negative postings. Sooooo, my posting may have had SOME impact. I have been very surprised that there was not a flood of negative postings after mine. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:11:33 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL cover queries Steve Dulson wrote: << Joni mentions Orange County in the HOSL "thanks". Does anyone know any Joni conections to OC, whether California, Florida... are there other OCs? >> I think Joni spent her days in Florida down in Coconut Grove in the Miami area. Orange Co. FL is in the Orlando area and I don't think she was talking about that area, but who knows? I would lean more towards CA. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:18:12 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: RE: YOUR positive comments are needed >Well I went to the Rolling Stone site and read some of the detritus aimed >at >Joni the posters were emitting. I stopped reading at the vulgar one. I >certainly don't want those "people" to have access to my email address. So >I'm not sure how to approach this. > Is that shit even legal? > >Peg > Peg, Sure it is legal for them to speak what is left of their minds! You know, free speech . . . but there were a couple things in there that I thought was potential libel. I had exactly the same concern, Peg. So I signed up for a free e-mail account. Just go to www.hotmail.com and fill out a quick form, choose an e-mail account name and then use it on the Rolling Stone (or for that matter ANY discussion group). It is always a good idea to use those free e-mail accounts for postings and newsgroups. Spammers grap e-mail accounts names and then that is how you start receiving "junk e-mail." (one of many! ha!) So my e-mail account is "LoveOverHate@hotmail.com" for the Rolling Stone posting . . . and by the way, I have not received a single e-mail. You could just give a fake e-mail account when you post your message. Thanks, Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:24:01 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: YOUR positive comments are needed >I put in message #62 and am surprised at the lack of negative postings >following it. Folks, I put in message #61 (LoveOverHate), NOT #62 on that Rolling Stone message board !!!! Guess I'm brain dead at times too! ha! Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:39:38 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: YOUR positive comments are needed >While your gallantry is certainly admirable, I fear it >may be a bit misplaced. InterNet trash-talkers are >more 'heckler' than 'bully' ... and it's been my long >experience that responding sincerely to their >this-or-that-sucks posts is precisely what they are >looking for, and only encourages them to continue. If >we remain silent, they'll all soon migrate to the >Eminem message board, where they're sure to find >plenty more fuel for the flame-wars they're interested >in starting. > >Like I said before, what they're doing has nothing to >do with Joni per se ... and besides, it's much more >interesting to spend time posting to the jmdl, yes? > >But again, thanks for your admirably gallant concern! If this were true, there would be a ton of negative postings following my message #61. The author of the one negative one that followed mine just deleted it! Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:50:16 GMT From: "Joni Fan" Subject: Re: YOUR positive comments are needed (md) >I'm with Don and Bob but maybe you have a point. Ignore the cro-magnons and >simply post positive stuff. Why dont you try to organize a mass posting. I >would for sure. >1) ignore the bullies and simply post positively. >2) post on or about the same day or time to insure a block of good stuff. >3) give yourself about a week to get everything lined up. > >marcel deste. Marcel, I like your straight-forward list! The only thing that I "disagree" with is the waiting a week. I don't know how long the discussion board is up for one thing. And two, so what if they come back with stupid crap. Their comments look even more insipid compared to our articulate comments. The secret to all of this, is simply to IGNORE the negative postings! You hit it on the head! Thanks Marcel. Loree ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon Jun 19 13:12:01 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL cover queries <> Interestingly enough, Chapel Hill NC and the UNC in the same town are located in...Orange County, NC. James Taylor grew up and attended UNC...coincidence or conspiracy? :~) Bob NP: Jackson Browne, "Everywhere I Go" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:19:32 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: Joni at Alpine Valley in 1979 Susan wrote, starting with a quote from a previous post: "> Also found out that he was at the '79 show in East Troy, WI that got rained out. > I was also at this show! I believe the show lasted about 7 or 8 songs. But I also remember Joni coming back on stage and talking to the few of us who were left wading in front of the stage. [. . . ]" Me now: ME, TOO!!! (Sorry, Les ). This was my very first Joni concert, which followed a year in which I devoured with near-maniacal devotion every single album she had released until that point. I seem to recall that my ticket for a lawn seat cost $17--ah, those were the days! Joni did play about 7 or 8 songs before calling it a day. I also recall that she made motions from the stage as if to tell us to swim home in the pelting rain--but then again, that was many dim years ago, and I'm not sure I trust my memory of it today. Hmm. . .that makes a bunch of us who were at that particular concert. There's Jody J., Laura, Susan, me. . . who else? Stand up and be counted! Maybe we could design T-shirts to wear for the next Joni tour, proudly proclaiming, "I survived Alpine in '79." Any designers out there? ;-) Mary P. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #254 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?