From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #251 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, June 17 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 251 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Big Sur '68 [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: HOSL: city, jungle, suburb [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Big Sur '68 ["P. Henry" ] TREE OF EDEN ["Ada Wittenberger" ] Re: TREE OF EDEN [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: TREE OF EDEN (now you see why we were banned from heaven) ["Ada Witte] How Long? ["Ada Wittenberger" ] The Truth The Whole And Nothing But ["Ada Wittenberger" ] Re: Big Sur '68 ["P. Henry" ] HOSL cover queries [B Merrill ] A Case of You - last verse [Mark Domyancich ] Re: A Case of You - last verse ["Reuben Bell" ] VG-8 Info ["Michael Paz" ] Happy Birthday Brother! ["Michael Paz" ] Re: TREE OF EDEN ["Victor Johnson" ] Metheny ["Michael Paz" ] Re: A Case of You - last verse ["Alison Einerson" ] Neil Young and Joni ["kerry" ] A list for the Saskatooners! (second notice) [Bounced Message ] Re: Need Metheny Advice update [B Merrill ] Re: More Metheny -- What the Hell Is Jazz? [B Merrill ] Re: [jonisaskatoon] WEIRD SASKATOON CONNECTIONS!! [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: HOSL cover queries ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: How Long? [peves@marlboro.edu] Rolling Stone/HOSL/ACOY/'69 [Steve Dulson ] Re: HOSL cover queries ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Slant rhyme. [Catherine McKay ] Re: How Long? [Catherine McKay ] William Shatner sings BSN? ["kerry" ] Re: Neil Young and Joni ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: How Long? [RandyRemote ] Both sides now question ["James Phillips" ] Our Very Own Fred Simon Live Tomorrow/ Any Chicago Jmdlers Going? (SJC) [] Re: TREE OF EDEN [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Inner vs. Outer Circle (ITSAJOKE!) ["Kakki" ] Joni Mitchell, my brilliant goon, by Garret Gaston ["James A. Murray" > > Yes, I agree.... But the point where I believe she comes closest to > singing about the real jungle (as opposed to depicting it graphically) is > the line: > "charging elephants and chanting slaving boats," which (metaphoric or > literal) is a scene of violence and predation, not a scene out of the > National Geographic of noble and happy primitives, innocent in the greenery. > My guess (guesses at most) is that she's talking about the white man taking people away in slaving boats and wiping out the elephant population. That kind of destruction of nature in the name progress or "savage progress" as she calls it. Philip NP Magnetic Fields - 69 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:17:53 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Big Sur '68 phillip, wow, that's so cool! if we could only ask Joni like that... ah well... the name sounds familiar. there was a Bob Carlin wha was quite prolific, either a banjo or fiddle player... this could have been his sister or wife... pat - -- On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:19:40 philipf wrote: >I know it's probably cheating but curiosity got the better of me and I >asked Judy Collins about this. She says the lady is Nancy Carlin, >(never heard of her). She didn't say anything about the John Kay >look-alike. > >Philip Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:39:27 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: TREE OF EDEN This is the tree of eden it’s a game please feel more than welcome to participate by planting more branches and fruits. no limits. I’m planting joni and only 2 random branches to begin with. THE TREE OF EDEN ---------------- JONI **** \ \ \ JAMES T. ----->MADONNA (american pie) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:51:44 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: TREE OF EDEN In a message dated 6/16/00 7:43:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wittadi@hotmail.com writes: << JONI **** \ \ \ JAMES T. ----->MADONNA (american pie) >> I don't get it. What is the relationship here. Is this a silly who slept with whom thing or is there supposed to be a relationship between James T. and Don McLean's "American Pie"? Please make some sense out of this. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:59:43 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: Re: TREE OF EDEN (now you see why we were banned from heaven) ha ha ha! that's me! the one you hate! but i still love you all! you too peg! someone wrote: >From: IVPAUL42@aol.com >To: wittadi@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: TREE OF EDEN >Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:51:44 EDT > >In a message dated 6/16/00 7:43:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >wittadi@hotmail.com writes: > ><< > JONI > **** > \ > \ > \ > JAMES T. ----->MADONNA (american pie) > >> >I don't get it. What is the relationship here. Is this a silly who slept >with >whom thing or is there supposed to be a relationship between James T. and >Don >McLean's "American Pie"? >Please make some sense out of this. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:15:55 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: How Long? joni sings that "we're middle age" on wild things run fast. on taming the tiger joni sings "i'm middle aged mama". can anyone tell me how long can middle age last? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:31:05 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: The Truth The Whole And Nothing But "joni mitchell never lies" is heard on janet's song. can you cross your heart and hope to die and tell me you think so too? i mean dry truth - no metaphors - cause once you get inot metaphors everything can be named "truth". n.p. (in my head) - "i was born and raised in new york city" by a woman who was born somewhere else. (oh by the way peter gabriel's new one is soon to be released and it's called "ovo") ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:54:36 EDT From: PFallo@aol.com Subject: Re: Need Metheny Advice update "Jim L'Hommedieu" writes: >Metheny- ites! >I'd like a little advise on what to buy next! ah, the prozac is starting to kick in. i feel much better now. next i'd say "the road to you" recorded live during the "letter from home" tour. it features tunes from that album in addition to tunes from "first circle" and "still life talking." so it's kind of a live best of with some incredible ballads thrown in. the opening tune, "have you heard" will blow your socks off. fasten your toupee:-) phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:26:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: How Long? - --- Ada Wittenberger wrote: > joni sings that "we're middle age" on wild things > run fast. > on taming the tiger joni sings "i'm middle aged > mama". > can anyone tell me how long can middle age last? > 40 to 65. Once you hit 65, you're officially "retirement aged" -- which I'm imagining would pose even our SIQUOMB with a thorny meter and phrasing challenge. ;-D Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:56:32 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Big Sur '68 steve wondered: >What's that stuck in her belt? At first I thought - pack of Kleenex, but now I'm convinced it's a pack of cigarettes.> steve, this one I know for sure! there's no doubt in my mind that it's a pack of Teryton(sp?) cigs, recognizable by the off-center stripe, because that was the brand she smoked then, exclusively. pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:14:14 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: HOSL cover queries Some esoteric questions concerning the cover of Hissing: a) Does anyone know the source for the snake image? Does it come out of the National Geographic? b) Is the city in the background a generic, composite North Am city? Does it contain identifiable buildings? Does LA have spired sky-scrapers like those two highest ones? (They look more Manhattan to me.) c) Does anyone have the Rolling Stone text when they identified this as the worst cover of the year? Did they offer any reasons for this dismissal? [Someone said that RS said that was the worst title, but I believe the consensus is worst cover, yes?] thanks, Bruce M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:43:40 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: A Case of You - last verse Hi everyone, This has been bugging me the past couple of days. In the last verse of ACOY, who is the woman? A former lover of whoever the song is about? Did we agree on James? And how about "she had a mouth like yours?" Is she speaking physically or verbally? Is she a psychic? NP-Joni 3/3/72 All I Want - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:54:11 PDT From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: A Case of You - last verse I thought for some reason that it was the mother (or maybe the sister) of the guy being sung about. That would explain the mouth thing, and the first hand knowledge of his lack of stability. Reuben >From: Mark Domyancich >Reply-To: Mark Domyancich >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: A Case of You - last verse >Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:43:40 -0500 > >Hi everyone, > >This has been bugging me the past couple of days. In the last verse >of ACOY, who is the woman? A former lover of whoever the song is >about? Did we agree on James? And how about "she had a mouth like >yours?" Is she speaking physically or verbally? Is she a psychic? > >NP-Joni 3/3/72 All I Want >-- >Mark Domyancich >Harpua@revealed.net >tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:04:35 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: VG-8 Info Howard wrote: "The VG8 is a gadget that plugs into the guitar and allows you to get all sorts of sounds from the guitar - trumpets, piano, marimba, whatever ... this allowed Joni (for the first time) to layer up guitar parts *without having them all sound like a guitar* - i.e she is strumming the strings and fingering chords in the same way, but the sound she gets is different, and almost infinitely variable!" Howard- This statement is somewhat inaccurate. The VG-8 IS NOT a guitar synth! It is a guitar modeler. It is designed to take a model of a guitar (Straocaster, Telecaster, Les Paul, ES-335, Ovation Acoustic, Martin Acoustic, etc), and you can also model amps like (Marshall, Vox, Fender, etc.) and the microphones used to mic those amps and the placement of them (condensor mics, dynamic, etc.) and of course you can also add effects like chorus, flanger, reverb, etc.) There are tons of other parameters that you can play with like placement of pick ups, pick-up types, wah control, volume control, etc. Then of course there are the tuning capabilities which are also quite extensive. MOST of the sounds in the VG-8 are guitar sounds. There are a few synthy sounding patches, but no pianos, marimbas, etc. There are some bass guitar models and there is the patch crystal which is very synthy sounding and there are some organ sounding patches, and horn type patches. The synth sounding stuff does not compare with the Roland GR-1 Guitar Synth or any of a number of other guitar synth type boxes. I know she has a GR synth, but I do not think she used it on TTT. The tunings do not translate to keyboard or the GR via midi so I don't think she did it that way. I read somewhere and I think it is on the album credits, that she played actual Roland Keyboards on alot of these songs. There are multiple layers of guitar parts as usual. As far as Harlem is concerned, the patch Crystal is a deeply rich and full patch that has an orchestra like quality to the sound. My kids love this sound and always want to play it on the guitar themselves when they hear it. Hope this helps. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:24:00 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Happy Birthday Brother! Yo Patrick- Hope you have a blessed day and a very happy one. Go out and have yourself a good old time. As a matter of fact go ahead and book yourself a trip to Toon Town for the opening. Pamper yourself. Splurge! Send the bill to the list. Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:36:05 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: TREE OF EDEN > > > > THE TREE OF EDEN > > ---------------- > > > > > JONI > **** > \ > \ > \ > bugs bunny--------< JAMES T. ----->MADONNA (american pie) > \ \ \---------->Jack Straw Greg Maddux-------> / Cookie Monster / / / / Bob Muller****************Bruce Dickinson+++++++++ > \ \ \ Harvey (the pooka) > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:39:50 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Metheny Metheny- ites! I'd like a little advise on what to buy next! I have these: American Garage 80/81 Offramp I like is collection of Kenny G tunes. Try the following suggestions: Pat Metheny Group (with the Song Phase Dance on it) First Circle As Falls Witchita So Falls Witchita Falls Watercolors HEY SEND MY DAMN PICTURES!!!! And then get busy on videos. I may ask you to send one video to Brian Gross for him to dub that Farm Aid thing for me. Peace bro. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:01:26 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: A Case of You - last verse popping in to comment on this... i seem to remember that this was the sister of James taylor??? there was some discussion a while back that joni had become close with several members of his family. am i right? am i right?? happy birthday to kenny and patrick...hope all is well in nyc and i will probably be back within the month. preet, if you are out there, please email me off list. i hope you are well, and would like to check in with you. anne, i am so glad to hear of your continued success! keep it up! ok,that's enough for now, i guess. love, alison e. in slc. - ---------- >From: Mark Domyancich >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: A Case of You - last verse >Date: Fri, Jun 16, 2000, 10:43 AM > >Hi everyone, > >This has been bugging me the past couple of days. In the last verse >of ACOY, who is the woman? A former lover of whoever the song is >about? Did we agree on James? And how about "she had a mouth like >yours?" Is she speaking physically or verbally? Is she a psychic? > >NP-Joni 3/3/72 All I Want >-- >Mark Domyancich >Harpua@revealed.net >tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:16:53 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Neil Young and Joni Did anyone catch Legends on VH-1 last night, featuring Neil Young? It was really well done. It was interesting how his life sort of paralleled Joni's in a way. He had polio as a child, spent time performing in Detroit when he was just starting out, and ended up in California working with a member of CSN&Y. AND he even put out a "techno" record in the 80's. I also think I spotted Joni singing on stage with CSN&Y in the 70's. Did anyone else catch this? I'll have to watch again to see if it's her. Kerry NP-Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels On A Gravel Road ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:22:28 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: A list for the Saskatooners! (second notice) From: "Pitassi, Mary" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:01:21 -0500 In case anyone happened to miss the first posting earlier this week, I thought I'd send another notice that there is, indeed, a list for those who are planning to make the pilgrimage to Saskatoon for the opening of Joni's Mendel Gallery exhibit on June 30 (and for those who are wavering, and may need some friendly group persuasion to knock than off that fence!). The address to sub.scribe is: jonisaskatoon-sub.scribe@egroups.com (without the first period) The address to post to the Saskatoon list is: jonisaskatoon@egroups.com Hope to see you there! Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:14:36 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Rock and Roll Choirboys > > --- Howard Motyl wrote: > > Even before the Monkees, which were a fabricated > > musical group, there > > were pre-fabricated groups--aren't Frankie and the > > Teenagers an invented > > group > On the contrary. Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers were pioneers of rock and roll. Rock and Roll choirboys is what they were. Street kids from Harlem I believe. But invented or manufactured, they never were. Lymon had an incredible voice and brilliant timing. His singing on Why Do Fools Fall In Love is unprecedented. Philip NP Lambchop - Nixon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:14:42 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: Rashi and the bible on job's sad song Hi everyone I'm nuriel (ada's son) and this is something I was thinking to do for a long time and now here it is. Rashi – the most considered man in revealing the secrets of the bible and all other major scripts for jews (and it's easy to understand why – the man explained every word in more then 50 books) was a jew who lived in paris sometime at the 16 century and died young. Ask any jew about rashi and you'll see that he's truly considered the one and only. I want to share few of rashi's words with you about job – iyov in hebrew.and I’m sure you’ll find rashi’s words wise and full of secrets. The first words in job's book are "ish haya beeretz utz" – a man was in country utz. Rashi writes "beeretz shenotlin mimenu etzotraot al hakb"h uma etza natlu shehayu omrim lo kol heumeno liyol et haelyonim veliten lanu et hatachtonim ela bou leretz sinar sesham elouth harbe veyn haamur kan ela al avodat kochavim" – which means " utz is none other than the country where bad advices about god are given" (utz in hebrew comes from the word etza – which means advice as a n. and utz is advice! As a command – nuriel). Rashi – “and what’s the bad advice they gave – that they said “who’s god to take the lead and make us earthly – come to our country where we have many gods and (rashi goes on) that’s none other than worshipping the stars” Joni’s “and my loved are dead or dying or they don’t come near” – Rashi ; “zaru” (one word in hebrew for don’t come near – nuriel) comes from the word achzaru” (achzaru in hebrew means became cruel). Joni’s "you let…like deer" –Rashi on the word "deer": “beet leydato haya holech umeraked…” – at a deer's birth he's walking and dancing at once and if he was hurt by a beast he stood up against it and then the deer's mother would've told him bring me a knife and I'll cut your hair and sometimes she would tell him go bring me a candle and light it for me" joni’s "kings heard my words” – rashi on "heard my words" – “sheeftach ani tchila" – which means they waited for me to talk first" joni’s "but now…their brooms at me" – rashi : “im hamakom tzar lahem dochfim oti hala" – which means if they find a place too narrow for them they push me out joni’s :this vein man wishes to seem wise a man born of asses" – rashi on "vein" – “navuv” (vein in hebrew) – “halul belo lev asher lo hevin darko” – which means a hollow man without heart that did not understand his way" rashi on "man born of asses" – “yelamed atzmo lihiyot adam chadash" – which means a man born of asses can teach himself to become a new man joni’s "I've lost all taste for life" – rashi – “nakta nafshi bechayay" (lost all taste for life – nuriel) : "nafshi mitkotet al sheani chay" – my soul is fighting itself since I'm still alive. And one last thing – joni’s "everything I dread and everything I fear come true" is in fact written in hebrew "everything I feared came true" But you know the book has a happy end folks and kilauren found joni so I can only hope that finding ones daughter isn't a fear coming true. Yours, nuriel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:30:04 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: Re: TREE OF EDEN (BACK TO THE GARDEN GOES ON) Victor - the first to replant our tree! bravissimo Victor! >From: "Victor Johnson" >Reply-To: "Victor Johnson" >To: >Subject: Re: TREE OF EDEN >Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:36:05 -0400 > > > > > > > > > THE TREE OF EDEN > > > > ---------------- > > > > > > > > > > JONI > > THAT'S ALL FOLKS----------------------STEP RIGHT UP FOLKS-------HARLEM >IN HAVANA---------------- **** > > ) / \ > > ) warner brothers / \ > > ) / / \ > > bugs bunny--------< JAMES T. ----->MADONNA (american pie) > > / / \/ ) > / / / \ ) > bugsey-------------Warren B ------------ / > \---------->Jack Straw > Greg Maddux-------> > / >Cookie Monster > / / >/ / > / / >/ HITLER--------------------------------------CHAPLIN > Bob Muller****************Bruce Dickinson+++++++++ > > >\ > >\ > >\ > >Harvey (the pooka) > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:43:26 -0400 From: "Paul Pennington" Subject: Re: Neil Young and Joni Kerry wrote: > Did anyone catch Legends on VH-1 last night, featuring Neil Young ... I also think I spotted Joni singing on stage with CSN&Y in the 70's... Yes, I believe it was Joni. Brian Hinton's book confirms that Joni was opening for CSN&Y on their 69-70 tour. Neil's concert on VH1 that came on right after Legends was great, too. Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:28:20 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Need Metheny Advice update >>Metheny- ites! >>I'd like a little advise on what to buy next! > >ah, the prozac is starting to kick in. i feel much better now. next i'd say >"the road to you" recorded live during the "letter from home" tour. it >features tunes from that album in addition to tunes from "first circle" and >"still life talking." so it's kind of a live best of with some incredible >ballads thrown in. the opening tune, "have you heard" will blow your socks >off. fasten your toupee:-) Even more toupee-threatening music (speaking of how one defines middle age...) can be found on the FRANTIC "Song X" with Ornette Coleman. Bruce M. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:48:22 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: More Metheny -- What the Hell Is Jazz? It struck me as quite clear why Metheny does not consider KG to be an adequate jazz musician: Because KG cannot pull off an adequate improvisatory solo. He doesn't have the technical skill, the ear, the rhythmic creativity, the harmonic understanding to solo in this music form which he pretends to inhabit. So, when some jazz musicians sit down to jam through "Donna Lee".... Kenny can't cut it. On these ground Joni is also not a jazz musician. But that's not her claim, I would assume. She sees herself as a jazz singer (of sorts) where the ability to be able to improvise is not called for. >Thanks for posting the entire Metheny spiel against Kenny G. Ditto! >Real jazz? > >I never understood this, even though my little brother's a jazz guitarist. >And my father was a jazz guitarist. (He named me after Louis Armstrong.) > >But, they could never tell me exactly what they meant by "real jazz." They >say it either is or it isn't! But no one has ever told me exactly what jazz >is, and who makes the rules that say someone is jazz and someone is not. Here's the criterion: Can you sail through an extended creative improvisization, keeping to the rhythm and chord changes, based on, say, "I got Rhythm." Then, "Love Man", "My Favorite Things" etc. Can you do this at length? Metheny can. Kenny G. can't. >Kenny G could just as well say that Pat Metheny isn't real jazz. Would he >be any less right? Yes, he would be less right. And I doubt that Kenny is so foolish as to claim such a thing. Cause... uh, I could say that ice is hot... So what people "can say" is not the issue here. If Jazz (or anything else) is merely whatever anyone can say it is, then it isn't anything at all.... Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:56:07 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: Re: TREE OF EDEN (BACK TO THE GARDEN - we've only just begun to leave) >From: "Ada Wittenberger" >Reply-To: "Ada Wittenberger" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: TREE OF EDEN (BACK TO THE GARDEN GOES ON) >Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:30:04 GMT > > >Victor - the first to replant our tree! bravissimo Victor! > >>From: "Victor Johnson" >>Reply-To: "Victor Johnson" >>To: >>Subject: Re: TREE OF EDEN >>Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:36:05 -0400 >> >> > >> > >> > >> > THE TREE OF EDEN >> > >> > ---------------- >> >> > >> > >> > JONI------kilauren >> > THAT'S ALL FOLKS----------------------STEP RIGHT UP FOLKS-------HARLEM >>IN HAVANA---------------- **** >> > ) / \ ----> jesus-----pauzolini >> > ) warner brothers / / \ >> > ) / / \ / >> > bugs bunny--------< JAMES T. ----->MADONNA (american pie) >> > / / \/ ) >> / / / \ ) >> bugsey-------------Warren B ------------ / >> \---------->Jack Straw >> Greg Maddux-------> >> / >>Cookie Monster >> / / >>/ / /------lonley painter >> / / / >>/ HITLER--------------------------------------CHAPLIN >> Bob Muller****************Bruce springsteen >>Dickinson+++++++++ / >> > / >>\ / >> born in the u.s.a >>\ >> >>\ >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >________________________________________________________________________ >> >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >> > >> > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:57:32 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Wanna See Some Early Joni? To see JM in high school, Check out this URL: http://www.classmates.com/celeb/yearbook/alpha.tf?offset=11&alpha=m That's what I call a hair don't. No regrets, Coyote (Rick) - Never revealing his high school photo! Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:18:59 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Wanna See Some Early Joni? Joni's isn't that bad. Take a look at Sarah McLachlan's... At 2:57 PM -0400 6/16/00, AngelinoCoyote@aol.com wrote: >To see JM in high school, Check out this URL: > >http://www.classmates.com/celeb/yearbook/alpha.tf?offset=11&alpha=m > >That's what I call a hair don't. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:34:02 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: [jonisaskatoon] WEIRD SASKATOON CONNECTIONS!! In a message dated 6/16/00 1:59:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, angelinocoyote@aol.com writes: << Maybe some cousin went to school with JM and they are still friends? Sharon, perhaps? Such an Impossible Dreamer, I am. >> Or perhaps that cousin is Joni, herself! Stephen (looking forward to meeting you Rick, and the rest of the JMDL gang in Saskatoon) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:08:08 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: HOSL cover queries Hello Bruce A)The snake image on the cover is taken from a Rousseau painting (as is the African carriers). I couldn't tell you which one specifically as there is a range of paintings that are of jungle/African scenes. I might look up Henri Rousseau and find out for the list so there is a definitive. B) The cityscape seems to be a composite LA/New York scene with a little of the suburbs thrown in (see the wooden houses in the foreground) The suburbs feel a little like Canadian prairie to me but only from my knowledge of the rural architecture. But the trees/Skyscrapers juxtaposition certainly are suggestive of Central Park in New York. C) It has been said that it is the worst album title. I have since seen the cover used in one of those 'album covers' collection books as a good example of that type of graphic art, so I wouldn't like to suggest that RS thought it was the worst album cover. (I read it in a magazine that it was worst title, but you should never believe anything you read.) All the best Jamie Zoob you asked: > a) Does anyone know the source for the snake image? Does it come out of the > National Geographic? > > b) Is the city in the background a generic, composite North Am city? Does > it contain identifiable buildings? Does LA have spired sky-scrapers like > those two highest ones? (They look more Manhattan to me.) > > c) Does anyone have the Rolling Stone text when they identified this as the > worst cover of the year? Did they offer any reasons for this dismissal? > [Someone said that RS said that was the worst title, but I believe the > consensus is worst cover, yes?] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:17:04 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: How Long? Here: Caught in retirement Carol, we're middle class retirement age we were wild in the old days how much does your pension pay? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:25:31 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Rolling Stone/HOSL/ACOY/'69 Bruce M asks: >Does anyone have the Rolling Stone text when they identified this as the >worst cover of the year? Did they offer any reasons for this dismissal? >[Someone said that RS said that was the worst title, but I believe the >consensus is worst cover, yes?] Tired of the endless debate, I dug the RS out of my garage about six month ago, and posted the quote to the list, so it's somewhere in the archives. They call it worst album title. and Mark Domyancich asks: >This has been bugging me the past couple of days. In the last verse >of ACOY, who is the woman? A former lover of whoever the song is >about? Did we agree on James? And how about "she had a mouth like >yours?" Is she speaking physically or verbally? Is she a psychic? I will always be convinced that the woman is James' sister Kate, who certainly knew the devils and deeds of James' youth. And Paul Pennington affirms: >Brian Hinton's book confirms that Joni >was opening for CSN&Y on their 69-70 tour. Gosh, I'm glad that's confirmed! I thought maybe I'd been smoking too much dope those nights at the Greek. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:37:21 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: HOSL cover queries Hello All Me again Please see a pic of Virgin Forest At Sunset by Henri Rousseau http://www.golden.wednet.edu/Golden/fame/henri.htm http://www.printmasterinc.com/thumb/rousseau/rouss13.html Is the closest thing that I can find. The black man in the foreground is definitely the inspiration for the cover. The second one is very foreboding and powerful with a snake in the title. Pity the picture is too small to decipher where the snake is! Jamie Zoob > Some esoteric questions concerning the cover of Hissing: > > a) Does anyone know the source for the snake image? Does it come out of the > National Geographic? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:39:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Slant rhyme. - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com asks: > NP: Jonatha Brooke, "the choice" (Why does everybody > put their song titles in lower case? Does upper case > cost more to print or something? :~D) > Well, Bob, they are bigger! Anyhoo, when you do upper case, you've got to put one finger on the shift key while you're typing the letter - too much work for some people. I'd rather see all lc anyday THAN ALL UPPER CASE WHICH LOOKS LIKE SHOUTING!!!! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:44:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: How Long? - --- Ada Wittenberger wrote: > joni sings that "we're middle age" on wild things > run fast. > on taming the tiger joni sings "i'm middle aged > mama". > can anyone tell me how long can middle age last? > Whoever can answer that one successfully can probably also answer this one: What IS the meaning of life? and this: What IS jazz? ;) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:58:49 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: William Shatner sings BSN? Rick wrote: >>Hi Ken, I finally clicked on this link and it is truly execrable BUT I would swear that it is not Shatner but his loyal First Officer Leonard Nimoy. >> Hi Rick, I totally agree that it sounds more like Leonard than Bill!! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:03:25 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Neil Young and Joni Yes! The Neil Young "Legends" program was great. It really needed a second hour, though, I thought. So much was glossed over or covered in a single sentence. That footage of Joni on stage with CSNY was actually shot during their 1974 "stadium" tour. She played a number of dates with them (as opener), two of the most auspicious being Roosevelt Raceway on Long Island and Wembly Stadium in London. She came out several times during the shows to sing an additional harmony. "Boston Jim" > Did anyone catch Legends on VH-1 last night, featuring Neil Young? It was > really well done. > > I also think I spotted Joni singing on stage with CSN&Y in the 70's. Did > anyone else catch this? I'll have to watch again to see if it's her. > > Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:09:01 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: How Long? Don Rowe wrote: > --- Ada Wittenberger wrote: > > joni sings that "we're middle age" on wild things > > run fast. > > on taming the tiger joni sings "i'm middle aged > > mama". > > can anyone tell me how long can middle age last? > > > 40 to 65. Once you hit 65, you're officially > "retirement aged" -- which I'm imagining would pose > even our SIQUOMB with a thorny meter and phrasing > challenge. ;-D > > Don Rowe > 65 is only middle aged if you live to be 130. Scary, I know. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:58:28 EST From: "James Phillips" Subject: Both sides now question Dear all, I just checked out and listened to Joni's wonderful cd, Both Sides Now. I have a question for anyone that may be of help. On Joni's original "Clouds" reading of Both Sides Now, it was in the key of F sharp. What key is the new version in? I know it's in a lower key but can't place it. Thanks in advance, James ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:16:27 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Our Very Own Fred Simon Live Tomorrow/ Any Chicago Jmdlers Going? (SJC) Hi Everyone! If you haven't heard Fred live yet, I suggest that you come to The Lincoln Park Festival tomorrow, Saturday, June 17, 2000, from 5:30 - 7:00 pm, 2000 N. (That's when Fred is playing) Lincoln Park West, near the corner of Armitage and Clark. Fred will be playing some Joni. Fred, please play "Michael From Mountains", wouldja? I LOVE your rendition of that song! Also, I hope you bring along some CDs to sell as well! If you want to spend the day, Kurt Elling is scheduled at 1:30. I'm not familiar with his music , but Kakki raves about him. Louie Bellson is at 3:30. I forgot to mention, Judy Roberts and Jackie Allen at noon. There will also be a 1st Chicago showing of the Judith Racht Gallery presenting outsider art....Doug - any insight? For the kids: There will be an area with activities sponsored by the Lincoln ParkCultural Center and the Peggy Notebaert Nature Museum. Lot's of food from local restaurants and Plenty of MUSIC!!!! C'mon you guys from Chicago - You have to hear Fred play, if you haven't already, and if you have, then all the more reason to hear him again :~D....He's incredible!! If any of you would like to meet tomorrow, let me know!! jody ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:30:55 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: TREE OF EDEN << Greg Maddux-------> / Cookie Monster / / / / Bob Muller****************Bruce Dickinson+++++++++ >> Gee, Victor, guess the truth is out between me and Bruce now! :-) And I suppose now I can't connect Madonna to Paul I! :-) Bob, who also has no clue as to what the "Tree of Eden" is about, but I did have a major crush on Barbara Eden if that counts for anything! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:32:11 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Inner vs. Outer Circle (ITSAJOKE!) INNER** and OUTER Refined musical tastes**/Indiscriminate slut TWC**/SURVIVOR Napster**/Not applicable (low tech computer) New York Times**/People Mojo**/People Letterman**/Rosie Glass of wine (occasional)**/Gordon's Martini (nightly) Hejira, TI, DED & S&L**/STAS, Clouds, TTT & MOA CD Burner**/Cassette recorder Pat Metheny**/Tom Scott Open tunings**/Huh? DVD**/Vinyl Aimee Mann**/Manfred Mann Jaco Pastorius**/Larry Klein Digital video recorder**/Disposable camera Heaven and Hell**/Purgatory and Limbo Neil Young**/David Crosby James Taylor**/Jackson Browne Cats**/Dogs Digital photo scan**/One Hour Photo Paprika Plains**/Ladies of the Canyon Vegan**/Smoker Signed Joni Lithos**/Joni poster from eBay, still in tube VG-8**/Dulcimer Kisses**/Chiggers ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) Kakki, who had a week from a lower level of hell and needs to amuse herself tonight ;-) NP: Kurt Elling - My Foolish Heart (thanks Jody for the reminder! Y'all have a great time at the music fest and please try to get me a live boot of Fred and Kurt ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:13:19 -0700 From: "James A. Murray" Subject: Joni Mitchell, my brilliant goon, by Garret Gaston This is classic! Just had to share. Appeared in the Seattle Weekly a couple months ago. http://faculty.uca.edu/james.murray/joni150.gif ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #251 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?