From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #246 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, June 13 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 246 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: More Metheny -- What the Hell Is Jazz? [FredNow@aol.com] Re: HOSL: city, jungle, suburb [philipf@tinet.ie] Altman Pictures -- THE OTHER TWO [mann@chicagonet.net] joni tributes/covers [PFallo@aol.com] Re: Pat Metheny [Siresorrow@aol.com] Cassandra Wilson on Joni [James Leahy ] Re: joni tributes/covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] hejira [Linda Worster ] Big Sur '68 [Steve Dulson ] Lyrics book: list of corrections available [Howard ] Re: Cassandra Wilson on Joni [Catherine McKay ] Subject: Re: Altman Pictures -- THE OTHER TWO ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN [M] Joni Day In The Garden ["Nikki Johnson" ] RE: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN ["N] Re: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN [D] Joni Day In The Garden...one more thing... ["Nikki Johnson" ] In her own words ["Kate Bennett" ] guitar orchestra from Taming the Tiger ? ["James Phillips" ] Re: Joni Day In The Garden...one more thing... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: (vljc) Many answers to many Q's [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Steely Dan (SJC) [peves@marlboro.edu] Re: The Last Time I Saw Dickhead (SJC) ["Steve Mitchell" ] Re: Lower Levels of Hell [Mark Domyancich ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:22:14 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: More Metheny -- What the Hell Is Jazz? Louis Lynch wrote: >>Exactly what makes "jazz" so special that one person can say another >>person isn't jazz? They said it about Joni when she released Mingus. >>Metheny's saying it about Kenny G. >>Metheny criticized Kenny G for playing a "jazz" instrument that also >>happens to be found in almost every high school band. What's up with >>that? >>As far as I can see, it seems to be more of an attitude. And if you >>follow a selected crowd of musicians, you are cool and have a right >>to tell everybody else they are not. To me, Metheny's comments >>don't make sense for just that reason. Can someone explain this to >>me? Lou, you didn't read Metheny's post carefully ... he is *not* saying that Kenny G isn't jazz, in fact, he specifically said that he feels it is jazz -- horribly bad jazz -- and that because Gorelick has chosen an instrument most closely associated with jazz (yes, it's used in other musics but most prominently in jazz) he should be held to the highest standards on that instrument in that music, namely, Coltrane, Shorter, etc. And on that scale Gorelick falls way, way below. In other words, what Metheny is saying is: fine, call Kenny G jazz -- most people do anyway and Gorelick is clearly attempting to function within some version of that tradition -- but, more importantly, let's call it what it really is ... really crappy music. >>Granted Kenny G's necrophilia might not be to everyone's taste, but, >>come on, he has as much right to express his creativity as anyone >>else, no matter how bad that creativity seems to some people. Metheny is also very clear that all these years he has suffered Gorelick's music in private, not wanting to dump on another musician in public purely for reasons of musical mediocrity. What drew Metheny out in this case was specifically Gorelick's defamation of Louis Armstrong, his grafting Louis' actual vocal performance onto his own instrumental track, in one fell swoop defiling Louis, shamefully attempting to elevate himself to Louis' level, and, as Pat so rightly put it, shitting on the graves of thousands of musicians who struggled to make honest, creative music of integrity. It's simply not a matter, in this case, of Gorelick's creativity seeming bad to some people, but of his having no creativity at all, and, in fact, stealing someone else's, and not just anyone else, but perhaps that of the single greatest musician in all of jazz, certainly one of the top few. Of course Gorelick has the right to make his own lousy music, but he has absolutely no right to do this, and that is what is drawing Metheny's public ire. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:17:43 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: HOSL: city, jungle, suburb - ----- Original Message ----- From: B Merrill > The underlying jungle drums signal a musical and lyrical > disruption of the happier days of "In France." Now you suddenly realize > that this isn't Court and Spark, Pt. II. "I don't think we're in Alberta > anymore, Toto!" I don't get that. The way I see it he says....... The dark skinned people in the foreground with their lovely world beats represent all that's good and pure in the world. They haven't been corrupted by commerce and religion. As far as Joni is concerned the savages are the people running the corporations in the tall buildings (The Exxons of this world, the people who mess with the garden planet) and the half baked Christian moralists snug in their bible belt dreams. Those cannibals of shuck and jive, if you will. She gives thanks to National Geographic not The Wall St Journal. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:17:37 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Altman Pictures -- THE OTHER TWO Good Argument Hell..........I don't think I've ever seen Carole King with a guitar! Altho, she does play guitar on some of her albums Laura "Helen M. Adcock" wrote: > I don't think it's Carole King. .... I also > doubt she'd have been playing guitar rather than piano? > > Hell > _____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:02:13 EDT From: PFallo@aol.com Subject: joni tributes/covers while pawing through my vinyl (anybody remember that) the other night, i came across a couple of items that may be of interest to whoever is putting together joni tribute/covers tapes or joniphiles in general. probably the first joni tribute that i know of was on a 1975 eric kloss album, "bodies warmth", a tune coincidentally enough titled "joni". kloss, a huge joni fan, was a fanatastic saxophone player from pittsburgh who has unfortuneately faded into obscurity. he is blind and became quite a small sensation by the time he was 16 yrs. old, in fact if my memory serves me well (which it often doesn't), once appearing on the old tonight show w/johnny carson. the tune "joni" features a very joniesque type piano intro and melody-kind of court and spark era. kloss quotes "woodstock" during his solo and the tune tries to evoke the feeling of "woodstock" and "jericho." on a 1970 lp originally titled "consciousness" and reissued under the name "eric kloss and the rhythm section", kloss covered joni's "songs to aging children." the cut, a sprightly poppy version, featured chick corea on piano and kloss' musical running buddy, jazz guitar legend, pat martino. it also featured dave holland on bass and jack dejohnette on drums-no lightweights there. mr. martino as some of you may know, has covered "both sides now" in a beautiful duet version with cassandra wilson on his recent "all sides now" cd. that however was the second time pat had covered "both sides now" on record; the first, being on his 1974 album titled "consciousness" (told ya they were running buddies), recently reissued as "head and heart" on 32 jazz. it's an absolutely gorgeous solo guitar reading of the tune that i bet joni would certainly appreciate. anyway, i'd be happy to provide copies of the tunes for any tribute/covers project or any other interested parties. phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:03:45 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Pat Metheny In a message dated 6/12/00 1:48:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, michaelpaz quotes pat metheny as follows: <> i have to say, i like his language here michael. he's got some great images..spew, lame-ass, jive, defecation, coitus, ...etc. he sounds like a jimdler. are you sure he's not on our list... what a great story to read. i always felt kenny g was just a light weight. kind of esoteric, aiming for the simpler mind just wanting pretty sounds on their stereo. i envision his concerts full of retired winnebago couples with folding lawn chairs. i'm wondering though if dubbing over a dead muscian's record is actually musical necrophelia. i don't think i'd want to do it, myself, but in the case of natalie cole, i can understand it. he's quite the character, pat metheny. and i can see from this post how someone might have a hard time working with him. harper's brother's story gains credibility with this strong post of metheny's. he's not just some....really sweet guy. he's definately got some edge. pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:18:20 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Cassandra Wilson on Joni The Globe and Mail has an interview with Cassandra Wilson in today's paper. I'm going to see her at Massey Hall tomorrow. Cassandra talks about Joni's Both Sides Now album: http://www.GlobeAndMail.CA/gam/Music/20000613/TACASS.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:23:48 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni tributes/covers <> Well, Phil, I suppose that would be me...:~) These sound very scrumptious indeed! If you can put them on a High Bias tape or on a CD and forward them to me, I'll include them on a "Covers & Contributions" Volume (now up to #6), and give you a free copy of the disc in return! A good deal for you and for all the JMDL who will benefit from your generosity! You can send to: Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 Thanks again! Bob NP: Luka Bloom, "Hudson Lady" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:02:05 -0400 From: Linda Worster Subject: hejira Hi Mike! Sorry to be so long on the reply here. It was so great to get this: >"In a highway service station Over the month of June, >Was a photograph of the earth Taken coming back from the moon. >And you couldn't see a city On that marbled bowling ball >Or a forest or a city or me least here of all. >You couldn't see these cold water restrooms Or this baggage overload >Westbound and rolling taking refuge in the roads." you were the second or third person in as many days that had mentioned this verse to me!!! AND... I'd been listening to Hejira and that track was the current stand-out.... (funny how that changes with different listens, 'eh?) >Does this do something to ya? These may be some of the best lyrics >off of one of the best albums of our time. This says it all and >nearly explains it all to me. It really puts me in my place. exactly! > Just >wanted to share my love for this album with you. any time you feel the need to talk about Hejira with a fellow devotee, don't hestitate! :~) It's amazing to me that I am still utterly blown away EVERY time I listen to this album. AND I always manage to hear something new. Hejira is off-the-scale! EVERY song is a masterpiece! Joni rules! Linda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:37:51 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Big Sur '68 The Zoobman wrote: >Is it Mimi and (I think his name is) Robert Farina? Joan's sister and >brother in law? Sadly, Richard Farina was killed in '66 (and was playing dulcimer rather than guitar in the last few years before his death) and, no, it ain't Mimi. Mimi looks like a younger, prettier Joan. There is a photo of her at http://www.breadandroses.com/mimi.html. Best, ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:30:01 +0100 From: Howard Subject: Lyrics book: list of corrections available If anyone wants to have a copy of the list of Joni lyrics book corrections, please drop me a line. The complete, correct lyrics are all available from www.jonimitchell.com - - this list of errata is only really of possible interest to people who have the book and want to know where the errors are. If you contact me off-list, I can mail you a copy of the list. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:36:57 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN >From: LeaDeason@aol.com >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:31:07 EDT >Subject: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN > >Hello. My name is Lea Deason and I work at RAINN, the Rape, Abuse, and >Incest National Network. RAINN operates the country's only nationwide >hotline for survivors of sexual assault, 1-800-656-HOPE. RAINN's hotline has >helped more than 320,000 victims since we begin in 1994. Now that I've told >you what we do, I wanted to see if you could help. > >Now through June 25th, we are holding an online fundraising auction featuring >over 40 items of music memorabilia from artists like: Joni Mitchell, Dave >Matthews Band, 311, PJ Harvey and Garbage. We thought some of these items >might be of interest to your site's guests. Is it possible for you to >mention our auction on your website? The address for the auction is >http://auctions.yahoo.com/user/rainn_charity_auctions. > >We also have banners available for download at >http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/banners.html. The site to link the banners >to is http://auctions.yahoo.com/user/rainn_charity_auctions. > >Below please find a press release, providing more details on the auction and >items available. > >If you need any more information about RAINN, please visit our website at >www.RAINN.org. Anything you can do to help is appreciated. Please feel free >to e-mail me at leadeason@aol.com or call at 202-544-3064 if you have any >questions. I look forward to hearing from you. > >Sincerely, > >Lea Deason >Director of Member Services >RAINN > >--------------------------- >Shania Twain, Marc Anthony and Kid Rock Team for RAINN Auction >Yahoo! Sponsors Massive Online Fundraiser > > >Washington, D.C ­ RAINN, the national sexual assault hotline, today announced >a massive online auction featuring memorabilia from today’s hottest recording >artists. The auction takes place on Yahoo! from June 12th - June 26th. > >Musicians have contributed personal items to help support the hotline’s >fundraising efforts. Thus far auction items include: the baby grand bar piano >that helped launch Tori Amos' career; an autographed guitar from Matchbox >Twenty; an autographed custom-made shirt worn onstage by Shania Twain; an >autographed harmonica from Alanis Morissette; personal Doc Martens from PJ >Harvey; a guitar smashed in the "Ziplock" video from Lit; six autographed >hats worn onstage by Kid Rock; a personal baseball cap from Marc Anthony; >an autographed Gibson guitar from Jewel; an autographed photo from Sting; a >nd a platinum sales award from Sugar Ray personalized with the auction >winner’s name. Other artists making contributions include: Backstreet Boys, M >etallica, Usher, Dave Matthews Band, George Straight, Melissa Ethridge, >Enrique Iglesias, Joan Osborne, Third Eye Blind, Faith Hill, Third Eye Blind a >nd more. > >RAINN (the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network) operates the country's only >national hotline for victims of sexual assault. Through the hotline >(1.800.656.HOPE), victims from all across America receive free, confidential >help from RAINN's network of over 850 local counseling centers. RAINN's >hotline has helped more than 320,000 victims of rape and sexual assault since >it was founded in 1994 with help from Amos. > >Yahoo! (yahoo.com), a global Internet media company and longtime supporter of >RAINN, will host the charity auction on Yahoo! Auctions >(http://auctions.yahoo.com/user/rainn_charity_auctions). Proceeds from the >Yahoo! Charity Auction will benefit RAINN. > >The music industry plays an integral role in RAINN's ability to thrive in its >mission to provide free, confidential counseling 24 hours a day for the >thousands of callers who reach out every month. Recording artists such as Sar >ah McLachlan, Dave Matthews Band and R.E.M, have all realized the importance >and quality of RAINN's work and have teamed up to make sure that when a >victim of sexual assault raises the phone someone is there to help them. > >Full item listing available. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:02:06 -0400 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: RE: The Last Time I Saw Dickhead > > me. I just hope all this praise doesn't encourage me to write more > food-obsessed Joni parodies. > Bob Murphy Peg replies: I hope it does.> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:23:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Cassandra Wilson on Joni - --- James Leahy wrote: > The Globe and Mail has an interview with Cassandra > Wilson in today's > paper. I'm going to see her at Massey Hall tomorrow. > Cassandra talks > about Joni's Both Sides Now album: > > http://www.GlobeAndMail.CA/gam/Music/20000613/TACASS.html Hey cool! I checked this out and, while I was at it, clicked onto the 7-day search at the bottom of the page and keyed in the words "joni mitchell" - it came back with 3 hits, one of which is the Globe article from last week about Joni's painting (so it's still there); another was the Cassandra Williams article; and a 3rd was a Carly Simon article/review (Catman oughta like that!) The Joni connection in the Carly item is this: "Yes, she admits that she believed she was important back in the days she was at the top of the charts. She recalls the period following her triumph with No Secrets, the 1972 album that contained her biggest hit up to that point, You're So Vain. At the time, she was literally at the top of the pop world, playing queen to James Taylor's king after the two married that year. Her follow-up album, Hotcakes, was released in January, 1974 and went to No. 3 on the charts. But Simon was furious with David Geffen. He had released her album at the same time he brought out Bob Dylan's Planet Waves and Joni Mitchell's Court and Spark, and those other discs were hogging the top two spots. "'I called David Geffen in a rage. Of course, that was pretty laughable. I was complaining about being No. 3. It just shows that it's all relative. If you're used to being No. 1, chances are you're going to have a tougher time gaining humility about being No. 3.'" To see the Cassandra Wilson AND Carly Simon AND AND AND JONI MITCHELL interview (if you missed it earlier), try this URL: http://archives.theglobeandmail.com/s97is.vts?ResultTemplate=GAMResults.hts&ViewTemplate=GAMDocView.hts&collection=TGAM&SearchCase=Insensitive&ResultCount=10&SortField=sortdate&QueryText=joni+mitchell&search=Go Yeah, it's a lot of stuff, but I tested by clicking on it as I've copied it, and it worked. (I test these things because I still don't trust the copy and paste technique totally.) If anyone doesn't have access and would like a copy of any of these articles e-mailed to them, e-mail me back privately and I'll send it on. (I honestly can't remember whether anyone posted the Globe/Joni article to the list last week since I usually delete posts right after reading them.) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:24:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Altman Pictures -- THE OTHER TWO I am guessing it is Richard & Mimi Farina Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:06:50 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Saskatoon Bound!!!!! Well, I decided to take the plunge and go to the big "S." I'm extremely excited, but getting nervous about getting into the gallery. One person said there will be 6,000 people!?!? Do we have to pack a sleeping bag and camp out on the sidewalk? ( "Jonistock?" ) I also liked the idea of JMDL'ers inviting her to lunch. How can she ignore such a (hopefully) large and and dedicated group?? ;>); people that are traveling across the country to see her??? Is anyone else having trouble subscribing to Mary's Saskatoon list? I keep getting rejected. Looking forward to meeting everyone!!! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:15:50 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN Our Joni... can she get any cooler!!?? So what has she offered up? NP-Silky Veils of Ardor At 10:36 AM -0600 6/13/00, Les Irvin wrote: >>From: LeaDeason@aol.com >>Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:31:07 EDT >>Subject: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN >> >>Hello. My name is Lea Deason and I work at RAINN, the Rape, Abuse, and >>Incest National Network. RAINN operates the country's only nationwide >>hotline for survivors of sexual assault, 1-800-656-HOPE. RAINN's hotline has >>helped more than 320,000 victims since we begin in 1994. Now that I've told >>you what we do, I wanted to see if you could help. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:29:15 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: Joni Day In The Garden Hi! I just got the Joni at a Day On the Garden CD and wow I am really taken back there. (THANKS SO MUCH BOB! Yours just needs a cover and will be on it's way to you!) Everyone has been so nice here I figured I'd share some thoughts...lol. I was at that show and it was such an amazing weekend I forgot how amazing Joni sounded. I love hearing her play guitar, and it was cool how it was just her and a drummer w/ a small drum set and a horn player. That was it right? LOL Were many list members there? I remember them introducing her and saying well she didn't make it here the 1st time but she wrote a song about it. Even though it wasn't the original it was still pretty cool...and nostalgic to be on that hill. Ok continuing in my flashback here...LOL! Take care Nikki "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:29:16 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN It's an autographed print of the self-portrait on the cover of Taming The Tiger. It's at $50...hhmmm...kinda tempting...lol nikki "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Mark > Domyancich > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 3:16 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for > RAINN > > > Our Joni... can she get any cooler!!?? So what has she offered up? > > NP-Silky Veils of Ardor > > At 10:36 AM -0600 6/13/00, Les Irvin wrote: > >>From: LeaDeason@aol.com > >>Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:31:07 EDT > >>Subject: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN > >> > >>Hello. My name is Lea Deason and I work at RAINN, the Rape, Abuse, and > >>Incest National Network. RAINN operates the country's only nationwide > >>hotline for survivors of sexual assault, 1-800-656-HOPE. > RAINN's hotline has > >>helped more than 320,000 victims since we begin in 1994. Now > that I've told > >>you what we do, I wanted to see if you could help. > -- > Mark Domyancich > Harpua@revealed.net > tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Fwd: Joni Mitchell donates item to fundraising auction for RAINN - --- Mark Domyancich wrote: > Our Joni... can she get any cooler!!?? So what has > she offered up? > TTT cover autographed litho ... bid's at $50 ... at least as of the lunch hour Central Time. Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:12:44 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: Joni Day In The Garden...one more thing... I started having my flashback so early in the CD I didn't hear the pedal steel and the bass player...LOL! I don't remember that many people on stage w/ her but then again I don't remember yesterday. There was a part in Big Yellow Taxi where she switches to a Bob Dylan voice and said her wrote that verse? That was interesting. Did he work on anything else w/ her? Take care Nikki "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Nikki > Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 3:29 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Joni Day In The Garden > > > Hi! I just got the Joni at a Day On the Garden CD and wow I am > really taken > back there. (THANKS SO MUCH BOB! Yours just needs a cover and will be on > it's way to you!) Everyone has been so nice here I figured I'd share some > thoughts...lol. I was at that show and it was such an amazing weekend I > forgot how amazing Joni sounded. I love hearing her play guitar, > and it was > cool how it was just her and a drummer w/ a small drum set and a horn > player. That was it right? LOL > Were many list members there? I remember them introducing her and saying > well she didn't make it here the 1st time but she wrote a song about it. > Even though it wasn't the original it was still pretty cool...and > nostalgic > to be on that hill. > Ok continuing in my flashback here...LOL! > Take care > Nikki > > "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this > world was > to keep my love alive" ~ Heart > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:59:07 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: more quotes And here is another one related to DED & the techno 80's sound-- "Dog Eat Dog is really the only exception, and that was a difficult project in that I had a new husband who was young and ambitious and a new engineer who was young and ambitious and Thomas Dolby, who was supposed to set up colors - but behind my back had been given the position of producer by my manager - who then became a tyrant... that was a very difficult record to make. I can't even really tell myself what I played, looking back. The sounds... like I say, they weren't necessarily of my choosing." Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:59:05 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: In her own words Here are a few quotes I was just reading that echo some recent discussions: Kenny G isn't the only one with pitch problems-- "Feddie thinks I have perfect pitch. I don't. I think I have intermittent perfect pitch. I have spells of it. Which is horrible, because there are no perfect tones out there and you get driven crazy by the undulations. I'll go put my heroes on - I'll play Miles, and his pitch is all over the place." Who deserves to play what-- "Charles called to me from his death bed and I just had to do that, for my own education in music. Back then I didn't even like Charles's music. It was blues-based, and I wasn't into the blues. And it was cacophonous. I became a fan, of course, but there were a lot of jazz guys saying "Hey, you don't even like his music. Why'd he send for you?" But I really liked him so much." Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter www.katebennett.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:03:27 EST From: "James Phillips" Subject: guitar orchestra from Taming the Tiger ? Okay, I'm going to come off really ignorant here but can someone define what a "guitar orchestra" is that Joni is credited as playing on Harlem in Havana and Lead Baloon on Taming the Tiger? I would appreciate any insight as to this question. James Phillips jamespatrick7556@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:07:47 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Passion Play and Saskatoon David Mingus writes: <> It just dawned on me that maybe not everyone has read some of the Scriptural text that goes along with Joni's Passion Play. The following text is verbatim, including parentheses, but starred are PP lyrics, from the Living Bible (an easier, more accessible read that KJ, NIV or NAS versions.) (don't worry, not that long or heavy! ;-) As Jesus was passing through Jericho, a man named Zacchaeus, one of the most influential Jews in the Roman tax-collecting business (and, of course, a very rich man), **a sinner of some position** tried to get a look at Jesus, **who in the world can this heart healer be--This magical physician** but he was to short to see over the crowds. **from the middle of unrest** So he ran ahead and climbed into a sycamore tree beside the road, to watch from there. **I am up a sycamore--looking through the leaves** When Jesus came by, he looked up at Zacchaeus and called him by name! "Zacchaeus!" He said. "Quick! Come down! **Oh, climb down, climb down he says to me** For I am going to be a guest in your home today!" Zacchaeus hurriedly climbed down and took Jesus to his house in great excitement and joy. But the crowds were displeased. "He has gone to be the guest of a notorious sinner," they grumbled. **They think His light squandered** Meanwhile, Zacchaeus stood before the Lord and said, "Sir, from now on I will give half my wealth to the poor, and if I have overcharged anyone on his taxes, I will penalize myself by giving him back four times as much!" **And I see how far I've wandered** Jesus told him, This shows that salvation has come to this home today. This man was one of the lost sons of Abraham, and I, the Messiah, have come to search for and to save such souls as his." **But He sees a stray in the wilderness** Luke 19: 1-10----PP verses two and three <> Maybe this is Joni's attitude...that redemption is somehow awarded on a righteousness curve, but I don't see proof of that kind of arrogance, bitterness or contempt conveyed in this song's lyrics. At most, is an attitude of mocking depending to whom ever she's addressing the question "Now you tell me--Who're you gonna get to do the dirty work--when all the slaves are free?" If she's keeping in line with the way the rest of the song is written, hopefully she's going after the same sort Jesus did....the hard hearted and pridefully religious, "the blind guides who strain out a gnat to swallow a camel"....not to be confused with the humble and sincerely spiritual followers of Jesus. Someone else said they don't think of Passion Play as a very up-listing song. Personally, I view it as an amazingly sensitive and insightful history lesson, coming from someone who enjoys learning and story-telling, no matter what the material source. Hey, I readily confess I'm not a very good teacher or writer....I hope some of you other folks that feel they can add in explaining their take on Passion Play will join in and share. :-) This is just too much fun!!!! ;-)    <> Yeah, it'll be a kick! Whether we get to meet Joni or not! I'm sooo looking forward to seeing those pieces in person and also meeting other JMDLers! And I just called to re-confirm our hotel reservations last night....at the Bessbourough. They still have rooms available for those nights but the prices are a lot higher now than the rates I got when reserving early....about a US$32 / CND$46 a night increase for the same room now. Ouch! Peace Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:30:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: guitar orchestra from Taming the Tiger ? - --- James Phillips wrote: > I'm going to come off really ignorant here but can > someone define what a > "guitar orchestra" is that Joni is credited as > playing on Harlem in Havana > and Lead Baloon on Taming the Tiger? Though I'm not a VG8 expert, that sounds to me like the name/title of a "patch" or sound that the guitar-synth creates as the strings are strummed. I've any number of similar titles for the sounds in my keyboard banks, including: "Al's Rhodes" "Lunar Flutes" "Raw Power" "Rain Hold" I'm sure our resident VG8 gurus could confirm or deny this rather easily ... or is that the VG8 Inner Circle ... I can never be sure. ;-) Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:38:52 -0500 From: "Susan" Subject: (vljc) Many answers to many Q's Sometimes I just have to save it all up and respond multiple choice like: > The Zoobman wrote: > > >Is it Mimi and (I think his name is) Robert Farina? Joan's sister and > >brother in law? > A. I too originally thought the Robert Altman picture may be Carole King. The profile was similar, but now I am inclined to believe that it may have been Mimi (Baez's sister) and her Sir Gallahad. I know others disagree but it makes sense to me. JM Covers - I don't think there is a recording other than video tape of this but I seem to have a faint memory of the great chanteuse "Adrienne Barbeau" (spelling?) performing, with guitar in hand, her interpretation of "Willy." I believe it was an old Johnny Carson but it could have been early Letterman. Anyone else have this flashback or is it just that? Metheny vs. Kenny G Finally, on this Pat Metheny vs. Kenny G thing. I too believe in anyone being able to express art. Unfortunately the most diluted mainstream stuff gets to the most people. Because unfortunately the masses can't handle the intricacies & complexities of many forms of art or ... anything. Most people settle for the basic formula garbage. The talents of a Metheny, a John Klemmer are rarely recognized as universally and financially as the works of a Kenny G. This lesson is one most of us learned long ago as it pertains to our Ms. Joni! I too think Kenny G. is soooo average. I squirm at the thought of him being referred to as jazz, but I will defend to the death his right to play it or whatever it is he's playing! Just help me do whatever I can not to hear it myself! I think Pat Metheny's feelings are justified, they are his opinion and emotionally I agree but my head knows we can't imprison anyone else's art or lack there of. Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:55:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Day In The Garden...one more thing... << There was a part in Big Yellow Taxi where she switches to a Bob Dylan voice and said her wrote that verse? That was interesting. Did he work on anything else w/ her? >> They've done some tours together, she was a part of his Rolling Thunder tour in the seventies, he did a cover of "Big Yellow Taxi" (which I don't have yet, hint hint) they were both a part of The Band's "Last Waltz" Project, they've got quite a bit of history together. As for Joni's band for that show: Brian Blade - drums Larry Klein - bass Greg Liesz - pedal steel Mark Isham - trumpet It's an awesome show - glad to be able to spark those memories for you! Bob NP: Shelby Lynne, "Your Lies" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:58:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: (vljc) Many answers to many Q's << I don't think there is a recording other than video tape of this but I seem to have a faint memory of the great chanteuse "Adrienne Barbeau" (spelling?) performing, with guitar in hand, her interpretation of "Willy." >> I have no recollection of that one, Susan, but thanks to Stephen we DO have her dramatic interpretation of "I Had A King"...it kicks off Volume 4 of the "Covers" series and is subtitled "The Power of Cheese"...should be ready for tree-ing in about a week. (Got your package today Leslie - thanks!) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:56:00 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: Steely Dan (SJC) Yep, that's true of Neil , Jim - stylistic experiments, but in preexisting styles. No experiments in terms of musical expansion. It's original and it's fantastic music I wouldn't want to live without it - . but it's not particularly innovative. No new music there as there always is with Joni . Thanks for connecting. Peg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:41:26 +0100 From: "Steve Mitchell" Subject: Re: The Last Time I Saw Dickhead (SJC) I thought that this was the funniest thing that I have read (and howled along to for a long time . . . . . - -- Stevie NP: Hejira (naturally) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:40:16 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: (vljc) Many answers to many Q's In a message dated 6/13/00 5:41:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, susang@mail.fadc.com writes: << >Is it Mimi and (I think his name is) Robert Farina? Joan's sister and > >brother in law? > >> Richard Farina, author if "Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To Me." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:41:25 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Passion Play and Saskatoon (md) In a message dated 6/13/00 2:20:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, zapuppy2@webtv.net writes: << As Jesus was passing through Jericho, a man named Zacchaeus, one of the most influential Jews in the Roman tax-collecting business (and, of course, a very rich man), **a sinner of some position** tried to get a look at Jesus, **who in the world can this heart healer be--This magical physician** but he was to short to see over the crowds. **from the middle of unrest** So he ran ahead and climbed into a sycamore tree beside the road, to watch from there. **I am up a sycamore--looking through the leaves** When Jesus came by, he looked up at Zacchaeus and called him by name! "Zacchaeus!" He said. "Quick! Come down! **Oh, climb down, climb down he says to me** For I am going to be a guest in your home today!" Zacchaeus hurriedly climbed down and took Jesus to his house in great excitement and joy. But the crowds were displeased. "He has gone to be the guest of a notorious sinner," they grumbled. **They think His light squandered** Meanwhile, Zacchaeus stood before the Lord and said, "Sir, from now on I will give half my wealth to the poor, and if I have overcharged anyone on his taxes, I will penalize myself by giving him back four times as much!" **And I see how far I've wandered** Jesus told him, This shows that salvation has come to this home today. This man was one of the lost sons of Abraham, and I, the Messiah, have come to search for and to save such souls as his." **But He sees a stray in the wilderness** Luke 19: 1-10----PP verses two and three >> I think that this is just an excellent job well done. It sure would appear that this is precisely what Joni herself did in writing the lyrics to the song if not more so. As for the conclusion ( stated here ) <>> because after all Joni asks in Jobs Sad Song "Why do you crucify the Saints". So a righteous lifestyle isnt a guarantee and Joni herself knows it. In any event this was a very good way of seeing how Joni sculpted the lyrics out of the whole cloth of the New Testament verse. As for the "meaning" of the lyrics in this song my own take as an experienced songwriter is that Lyrics are the most difficult part of any song to create if you are into melody. I sense that Joni is a writer who begins with the music and then tries to find words to fit her tunes. If her lyrical idea was the first part of this song created I dont think she would have found it in a casual reading of the Bible. There are all kinds of other stories that it seems odd that she would have picked this one unless she happens to attend religious services (an interesting question) and got the idea at some service. I would suspect in any event that this passage was somehow singled out for her by someone and she decided the best way to capture its essence was to paraphrase. In seeing how the song lyric traces the sequence of events in this chapter I sense that Joni did a "paraphrase" treatment. This is but one way to create lyrics. Although she could create a million songs this way. I have always sensed that Joni writes songs in bunches. Its like when she discovers a tuning she finds chord pattersn atht work and she perhaps captures them on a tape and then goes back later to find the words for that particular song idea. She seems to reach a place in either chording or strumming that is typical with open tuners. Open tunings have sections on the fretboard all their own in which various combinations of finger placement create specific melodic patterns. Deviate from those fingering patterns and you dont get a parallel chord. Unlike standard tuning in which an added finger here or there creates augmented or diminished, sharp or flat chords from the root. Passion Play is what I would call a "groove" song. It settles into a groove and runs deep within it. Songs like that generally come from fiinding a groove during practicing or casual playing. My point here is that this has been an interesting insight to Jonis songsmithing itself as opposed to just a take on her meaning. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:44:57 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: more quotes In a message dated 6/13/00 4:34:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: << "Dog Eat Dog is really the only exception, and that was a difficult project in that I had a new husband who was young and ambitious and a new engineer who was young and ambitious and Thomas Dolby, who was supposed to set up colors - but behind my back had been given the position of producer by my manager - who then became a tyrant... that was a very difficult record to make. I can't even really tell myself what I played, looking back. The sounds... like I say, they weren't necessarily of my choosing." >> Sounds to me like even Joni thinks DED sucks. LOL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:37:28 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Lower Levels of Hell One may not (I don't) believe in a literal hell... or eternal bliss with God (I do)... ...but if indeed God must be a boogie player of either/both genders, or transcends gender as the deity subsumes all gender distinctions into the innate God-ness, then certainly at the front table, on the dais, of heaven, will be among others, Janis Joplin, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, John Lennon, Aretha Franklin, Otis Redding, Mozart, Verdi, Glenn Miller, Louis Armstrong, Ethel Waters, Puccini, and Bach, and the Aleutian Island throat singers. Paul McCartney will be at the kids table as penance for Silly Love Songs. Ringo will be there also since he'll keep the kids table fun. George will be at the 2nd table, having just missed the first table. (Plagiarism of "He's So Fine" is a table penalty.) The JMDL can easily fill out the rest of the tables (I figure 40 tables, 20 per table). It is musical hell that concerns this. The lowest level of hell is reserved for Kenny G, Zamphere on the pan flute, Kenny Rogers, Lionel Ritchie, Richard Harris (McArthurs Park will do that to a guy) and Bobby McFarrin (now that he has sold the rights to Don't Worry, Be Happy to the singing plastic bass fish wall mount that is inflicting bars and homes everywhere).. Karen Carpenter gets into heaven (that voice!) but Richard Carpenter gets dropped into an upper level of hell for those awful arrangements. Penultimate level of hell is for ABBA and all other Swedish pop groups passing pabulum on to preteens. Antepenultimate level of hell is for Iron Maiden Black Sabbath Mettalica Twisted Sister Ronnie James Dio Dokken and all other hair metal bands that are indistinguishable from each other, but wonderful at marketing. (Ronnie Jasmes Dio had great talent but failed to transcend the pit of heavy metal big hair rock.) Getting out of hell passes will go to Iggy Pop for the astounding drumming on that song from Trainspotting. Elton John is hard to place. Heaven, for everything pre Disney (except for Island Girl and Philadelphia Freedom) but Hell for the Disney schlock. I await the corrections on this. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:32:00 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Lower Levels of Hell At 7:37 PM -0500 6/13/00, Vince Lavieri wrote: >One may not (I don't) believe in a literal hell... or eternal bliss with >God (I do)... > >...but if indeed God must be a boogie player of either/both genders, or >transcends gender as the deity subsumes all gender distinctions into the >innate God-ness, > >then certainly at the front table, on the dais, of heaven, will be among >others, Janis Joplin, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, John Lennon, Aretha >Franklin, Otis Redding, Mozart, Verdi, Glenn Miller, Louis Armstrong, >Ethel Waters, Puccini, and Bach, and the Aleutian Island throat singers. and also, Jerry Garcia (he's already there, we know that) Mickey Hart and Phil Lesh, and Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds for his god-like guitar playing, Trey Anastasio as well, and Carlos Santana. >Paul McCartney will be at the kids table as penance for Silly Love >Songs. >Ringo will be there also since he'll keep the kids table fun. And also, Bob Weir for his attempt at children's songs. >The lowest level of hell is reserved for Kenny G, Zamphere on the pan >flute, Kenny Rogers, Lionel Ritchie, Richard Harris (McArthurs Park will >do that to a guy) and Bobby McFarrin (now that he has sold the rights to >Don't Worry, Be Happy to the singing plastic bass fish wall mount that >is inflicting bars and homes everywhere).. Ooh, too many to list here, Brittney Spears, N-Sync, etc, etc,... (Great thread, Rev) - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #246 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?