From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #243 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, June 12 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 243 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Programs. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Some things best... (Passion Play) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The Younger Girl ["P. Henry" ] Damaged disc info please? ["cassy" ] Saskatoon [Gellerray@aol.com] the first Farm Aid concert ["James Phillips" ] Re: CD Tracks [FredNow@aol.com] Re: CD Tracks [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Joni and Sinead O'Connor ["kerry" ] Re: the first Farm Aid concert NOW AVAILABLE [Brian Gross ] Joni article in S'toon Star-Phoenix [evian ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:44:50 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Programs. In a message dated 6/10/00 10:55:42 PM US Central Standard Time, johncb@start.com.au writes: << Thanks heaps Bob! I look forward to sharing these, on your behalf, with the other Aussies who want one. When the package arrives I'll post another message to that effect. >> You're quite welcome, John...earlier I sent out a message to gauge the interest and only ONE other Aussie replied that they wanted a program, so hopefully they won't come out of the woodwork now as I only sent you 5. But if you need more, I've got 'em! Bob NP: Seal, "Crazy" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:07:51 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Some things best... (Passion Play) << it is probably my favorite cut off night ride home, and has a lot to do with my ranking that album among her top five. >> I would agree with you on Passion Play, Ric - I won't talk at length about it because we just had a thread on it not too long ago (which isn't to say that we can't have another one, only that some of us talked out). You alluded to the opinion "is art really art if we don't understand it", and I believe that that is the most IMPORTANT kind of art as it makes us think and forces us to reach some kind of emotional and/or philosophical growth as opposed to merely being able to say "I like that", not that there's anything wrong with *that* either. Anyway, you're right, it's a very challenging song lyrically but a very pretty one melodically. And the character in the Sycamore tree was Zaccheus btw, not Simon son of Zebedee, also known as Peter. OK, Sunday School dismissed! ;-) We'll keep talking about it as we grow old and gray (well, you & me are already gray!) and eventually we'll figger it out! Bob NP: Willie Nelson, "Moonlight in Vermont" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 10:01:41 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: The Younger Girl paul wrote: >Love this Robert Altman photo of Joni and the boys at Big Sur in 1969 http://www2.cea.edu/robert/Page3bb.MoMusic.Gallery.html (scroll down to the bottom)> wow, paul, excellent find! don't forget to clik on it... it gets bigger! :o) pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:35:37 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Damaged disc info please? Could some kind soul please post the information again about returning damaged BSN discs... I didn't need it when it was posted and deleted it, now a friend is asking me about it and I don't have the details any more :( Thank you in advance. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:43:47 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Saskatoon Hello People, In spite of my now longstanding status as a list member I still post shyly, when I post at all, so please bear with. I am just wondering about Saskatoon. A friend and I are considering going up there (from New York City) and, in order to round out the trip we are thinking of staying on in Saskatchewan province and maybe driving to Regina or something--but we know nothing! Is that worthwhile, does anyone know? Or is there something else that is better--maybe just beautiful prarie vistas that would far outdo a trip to another urban site. Of course we could get both--the vistas on the way to Regina, and then Regina herself. And then what about Saskatoon--is there plenty to do there or will the Mendel be the main thing, and not too much more to offer...? I realize as I write that I should head to a bookstore and look at a Canadian travel guide or something, but until I do make that trip, I am wondering if anyone knows or has any idea--as I do not. Also, is it even possible to still obtain tickets to the opening? And finally--please forgive, as I know some of this has been covered already--where are the places to stay up there? (I'm sure they're all booked by now!). If anyone has any time to maybe answer one or more of these questions I would be most obliged. thanks ray p.s. the 30th is my birthday! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:52:39 EST From: "James Phillips" Subject: the first Farm Aid concert Hey, I was noticing a thread about Dog eat dog without the synthesisers. What persuaded me to get that album was footage I have of Joni at the first Farm Aid concert here in Champaign, Ill back in '85. She came out and did with an electric (I think it was an electric) white guitar Three Great Stimulants. Than afterwords, she moved to the piano and did the song Dog eat dog. Seeing her do just those two songs is what persuaded me to get Dog eat dog, even though there were huge differences between the studio versions of those songs and the live versions from Farm Aid. James Phillips Now playing: Running Sacred by Exene Cervenka ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:21:25 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Saskatoon Ray writes: << And finally--please forgive, as I know some of this has been covered already--where are the places to stay up there? (I'm sure they're all booked by now!). If anyone has any time to maybe answer one or more of these questions I would be most obliged. I'm sure that Evian or another JMDLer going to Saskatoon could give you a more detailed answer, but I know my friend and listmember David Mingus just made his reservations last week. He told me that he is staying at the Quality Inn Hotel downtown Saskatoon. He was able to get a summer rate of $79 per night, and the hotel clerk said it was about 8 blocks to the Mendel. Even though I won't be able to attend, I sure would like to know how many from the JMDL are attending. Also is there going to be any official reporters or photographers representing JM.Com or the JMDL? < ray p.s. the 30th is my birthday! >> My birthday is on the 30th too Ray! I wish I could be there to celebrate it with you :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:04:20 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: the first Farm Aid concert In a message dated 6/11/00 11:04:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jamespatrick7556@hotmail.com writes: << I was noticing a thread about Dog eat dog without the synthesisers. What persuaded me to get that album was footage I have of Joni at the first Farm Aid concert here in Champaign, Ill back in '85. She came out and did with an electric (I think it was an electric) white guitar Three Great Stimulants. Than afterwords, she moved to the piano and did the song Dog eat dog. Seeing her do just those two songs is what persuaded me to get Dog eat dog, even though there were huge differences between the studio versions of those songs and the live versions from Farm Aid. >> Wow--how I would love to view that footage. Is there any way? I am planning on deciphering the "tape trees" info here, is it included on those? I love the songs on Dog Eat Dog and I would love to see them stripped down even as I love them all synthed up. Dog Eat Dog just on piano huh? I can only imagine. r ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:04:25 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Saskatoon Ray asks: <> Joni's Mendel opening is free admission. It sounds like as long as you're in line in time, there'll be no problem getting in. <> Evian and Kate from the North can probably supply the best answers to your specific questions, but this is the link I've been checking to get the particulars on what to do, where to stay, who's playing at the Jazzfest and when, how to get around town and to and from airport, etc. It's also got links for other parts of Saskatchewan. http://www.city.saskatoon.sk.ca/tourism/default.htm <> Whoohoo! Surely a birthday you'll remember! ;-) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:37:42 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: passion play, redux <> Hi Ric! I'm from the camp that if lyrics are haunting me, I make a strong effort to get to the bottom of it. I know we've gone over Passion Play fairly recently, but not thoroughly nor did I post in the last go around. ;-) I'll give a brief say on my interpretation of a few of the lines you specified and maybe something will click for you too. Passion Play is also one of my favorite Joni songs and although I'm fairly convinced it was written firstly with Joni wearing her story-tellers hat on, in relaying brief snippets of Jesus' ministry, effect and ultimate crucifixion--I think that, as with all of the Bible, the principals conveyed and lessons learned can be applied to many different circumstances. I'll give my basic read of your lyrics in question first--then apply it to Joni more specifically. You ask about "Divinely barren, wickedly wise." In the Biblical interpretation of Passion Play, these would be the Pharisees. They were the ones who focused on the religious laws (legalists), and out of pride and desire for status, got completely caught up in being the ones respected and in power in the church. Divinely barren is a reference to them, when pride took hold, lost view of the bigger picture of God or seeking God's goal. Wickedly wise is in reference to them being extremely well studied in the religious laws, but void of God's direction and having lost a compassionate heart when passing judgements. If you wanted to Jonify this, it could be on the order of looking at record company execs deciding what they would encourage the world to hear, accept, value and praise musically and artistically. Having no longer any real interest in promoting art (divinely barren) they use their financial power and industry know-how (wickedly wise) to kill off the true art makers because they so greatly affect their bottom-line profits and company reputation. The true art makers like Joan, buck their system because they've seen the one's in power have lost sight of the initial goal.....beautiful, meaningful, enriching ART. "All around the marketplace, the buzzing of the flies. The buzzing and the stinging." In the Biblical take on Passion Play, this would be the buzz of the majority voices (the flies are the individual voices) heard on who they wanted to see set free from judgement. The murderer Barabas or Jesus. Since Pilot was out of the know with Jewish culture and he could find no fault in Jesus other than that He was a threat to the Pharisees, he let the people determine who would be chosen for execution by a vote by way of the loudest cheering of the general public. Jesus was "stung" by the rowdy and vocal friends of Barabas and also Jesus' followers were squeezed out from being heard by the planted recruits of the Pharisees who wanted Jesus forever out of the picture. He was just to much of a thorn in their side! A Jonified take could be that the record companies recite the buzz of sales numbers to justify why they won't spend the money to promote the true artists' work. "The killer nails are ringing." In the Biblical read this would be the sound of the spikes being driven into Jesus' hands (or wrists), the more hearing the better, as a way of letting all know a final decision had been made. Crucifixion was indeed going to happen to this One who dared exposing the religious hypocrisy of the ones claiming to be the true representatives and authorities of God. In the modern record industry, I could see it as being the message sent "play our game, put out hits that make us a lot of money or the killer pen will crucify your record contract so no one will hear you." Ha! I don't know if I could "Jonify" the entire song in this way... haven't given it much thought... but there are certainly other lines that I think we could identify Joni with. Like I wouldn't call Joni a "heart healer" but she's definitely soothed a great many over the years....including mine. ;-) The Biblical interpretation makes sense to me all the way through Passion Play, but I've yet to determine for sure who she's addressing the question "Who're you gonna get to do the dirty work when all the slaves are free?" Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:06:32 -0400 From: Linda Worster Subject: the concert in CT OK... OK I know I'm late with this... but I'm still finding it hard to say anything too coherent about the concert. (And I'll admit to feeling even shyer than usual about posting these days...) But hey... I'm still absorbing all that I took in at Joni's concert in CT. It affected me profoundly, to say the least... :~) I was more excited than I have been about anything for a good long while. The week before, the ride to, and finally the wait until she actually came out on stage was almost unbearably looong. But once she was out there and I was actually seeing our Joan and hearing THAT VOICE, I completely relaxed. Utter peace came over me. Whatever it was in me that had been agitated was immediately satisfied. I went into a wonder zone.... waves of music washing over me.... a rich delight- hearing a live symphony orchestra and the ecstatic pleasure of hearing her singing, at last. (The previous time being 1973...) I watched and listened intently- drinking in the whole scene for periods of time... and then training my binoculars on her face to see every flicker of feeling come past. This was a pilgrimage for me... a chance to be in the presence of my teacher and get a lesson first hand. Attention to details was sometimes lost in the sense of connection- in the desire to receive her gifts and to beam my love and appreciation for her out with all the intensity of my being- hoping she might receive back from me some touch to her soul. It was way beyond a musical experience for me. It was spiritual... No surprise there... I can always rely on Joni's music to affect me this way. IMO, to have created a human being that can do what Joni can do.... well that's one of the greatest glories of Spirit I have ever witnessed. Then... add that, of all the great music in this world, this is the music that *I* know the best. It made me feel glad to be me. I have listened to these songs over and over, and learned to play some of them myself- until I know them inside and out- so that, when I was sitting in her presence and listening to them in THAT moment, it was like taking them in whole. I feel myself to be one of the most fortunate of humans... to know this music so well and appreciate it so deeply. And thus, can bear witness her evolution and growth over the past 30+ years of participating (by listening and learning) in her musical adventures... "GLORIOUS!!!" was about all I could say on the way home. The music the other night was great!!! But in some ways, it seems like I hardly heard it because I was sailing in that dreamlike place. I look forward to hearing any recordings at some point. So I can catch up with what I heard... :~) For example... I KNOW I heard every note of HEJIRA... but... hearing my absolute favorite song, watching Joni, seeing Larry for the first time and trying to pay attention to the new arrangement... well... my circuits went on overload. I didn't fret about that, but completely trusted that I was getting exactly what I had come for. I couldn't even speak after the first set. I had gone into that dream place so fully... I didn't want to speak or move... I just wanted to bask and absorb. I had paid my dues, put in my time, and that was a huge reward... I wasn't going to let it go very quickly. And I'm still there when I think of it. :~) I'm a lucky girl! When I got home, all I wanted to do was play and sing whilst seeing her face still so clear in my mind. I was sometimes laughing, sometimes crying... all of it with this overwhelming sense of gratitude. I am so glad you are on the planet, Joni! with love- Linda PS It was also really fun to meet several JMDLers. I identified one group right away because they were standing together in the 2nd row with their arms around each other. :~D After the concert, it was great talking for a while with a bunch of folks outside. PPS Thanks to Scott and Bob for mentioning my CD and tapes the other day! Les, I'll be in touch soon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:27:18 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: CD Tracks "Wally Kairuz" wrote: >> although i fear that i may end up puked on all over again, i must >>confess that i play with the balance knob a lot when i listen to the >>carpenters. you won't believe how much you can learn about >>harmonizing by listening to karen's multidubbed voice this way. >> wallyk, missing karen. I'd never puke on you for digging the Carpenters, Wally. They were brilliant, and Karen had one of the greatest natural instruments of all time in her voice. A damn good drummer, too. Did you see the wonderful PBS documentary? Early footage of their jazz trio ... she was smoking the drums. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:49:40 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: CD Tracks In a message dated 6/11/00 6:36:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FredNow@aol.com writes: << wallyk, missing karen. I'd never puke on you for digging the Carpenters, Wally. >> Surely, a less ironic euphemism for criticism could have been chosen here. Losing my lunch, Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:06:45 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni and Sinead O'Connor Just spent the weekend at Milwaukee's Pridefest--I won a CD entitled, "Pride 2000." It's basically a sampling of songs, a lot of dance music (what a shock:>) and mostly people I've never heard of...Imagine my surprise when I saw that the last song on it was Joni's "Both Sides Now!" I couldn't believe it! Also, I met the editor of "Curve" magazine and she showed us the cover of the July issue, the headline reading, "Sinead O'Connor Comes Out." She said they were just interviewing her about her music and she told them she was gay. Add one more to the fold... Thought I'd just share that interesting bit of trivia. Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:23:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: the first Farm Aid concert NOW AVAILABLE - --- James Phillips wrote: > I was noticing a thread about Dog eat dog without the synthesisers. What > persuaded me to get that album was footage I have of Joni at the first Farm > Aid concert here in Champaign, Ill back in '85. She came out and did with > an electric (I think it was an electric) white guitar Three Great > Stimulants. Than afterwords, she moved to the piano and did the song Dog > eat dog. Seeing her do just those two songs is what persuaded me to get Dog > eat dog, even though there were huge differences between the studio versions > of those songs and the live versions from Farm Aid. Here we go gang, I have this footage myself and will share it with anyone who will send me a VHS tape cued up to the spot they want it. The 2 song set runs 13 minutes total. Send your tape, along with a postage paid mailing envelope for me to return it to you (or someone else of your choosing, if you want) to: Brian Gross PO Box 5126 Deptford NJ 08096-0126 Listers outside the USA, your best bet would be a Fedex or UPS or Airborne international airbill. Take care everyone, Brian np: BSN Camden (a real life dream come true. Thanks, s.m.) ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:46:17 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Damaged disc info please? To get your scratched disc replaced, send the damaged disc along with your name and mailing address to Warner Bros. Records Quality Assurance 3300 Warner Blvd Burbank, CA 91505 or call (818) 953-3208 **Thanks to Deb M for this info** - ----- Original Message ----- From: "cassy" To: Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 1:43 PM Subject: Damaged disc info please? > Could some kind soul please post the information again about returning > damaged BSN discs... I didn't need it when it was posted and deleted it, now > a friend is asking me about it and I don't have the details any more :( > > Thank you in advance. > > Cassy > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:19:08 -0600 From: evian Subject: Joni article in S'toon Star-Phoenix Hi folks, This was on the front page of the Saskatoon Star-Phoenix yesterday, and since their website is pretty much the shits and doesn't have this, I thought I'd copy it for y'all: CRITICS TO SWARM SASKATOON FOR MITCHELL ART EXHIBITION -- Lotsof Sask. content featured in pop icon's first Canadian showing About 6000 people from across Canada, the United States, Australia and Europe are expected to gather at the Mendel Art Gallery later this month for the opening of Joni Mitchell's first retrospective exhibition. The New York Times has even expressed interest in coming to review the pop icon's show, which opens June 30. "We have received e-mails from people saying, 'I can't find Saskatoon on the map, but I'm coming,' said gallery director and exhibition curator Gilles Hebert. Eighty-one photographs, paintings, and other works of art covering 35 years will be in the exhibition, which is entitled voices: Joni Mitchell. The artwork will be complemented with selections from Mitchell's extensive music collection plus enlarged written versions of her poems and lyrics. The exhibition runs until Sept. 17. Mitchell, who lives in Los Angeles but was raised in Saskatoon, will be at the Mendel on opening day. She has never held an exhibition in Canada. A private showing, public tour and outdoor receoption are planned for the first day. The outdoor event will take place in large tents behind the gallery between 8 p.m. and midnight. Admission is free and tickets are not required. A limited-edition catalogue with a 1,500 word statement from the artist will also be available. "Frankly, when they see how much of the work has Saskatchewan and Saskatoon content in it, they will be pleasantly surprised to see what a connection she still has to this place," said Hebert. One locally inspired painting on display will be Road to Waskesui, while another is called 40 Below Zero. There are also a series of 30 photographs from the 1980s of farm buildings superimposed with images of Mitchell. "These are all paintings that she did coming out of her more or less regular trips to Saskatchewan. She goes to the country, takes photographs, and foes to L.A. and paints Prairie landscapes," said Herbert, who sorted through more than 400 pieces to compile the exhibition. Hebert -- one of the few people to have seen Mitchell's collection - -- said he was impressed at the calibre and diversity of the work. Mitchell created many of her album covers including the latest release, Both Sides Now, which features a self-portrait of the artist smoking a cigarette. "She has changed musically but she has also changed in terms of her palette and the way she approaches visual art. I was very impressed with how prolific and dedicated she is to painting right now and visual arts in general, Hebert said. Dave Alexander, a local painter who has been featured at the Mendel said a Joni Mitchell showing is long overdue in Saskatoon considering this is the city she calls home. "I think that Saskatchewan has been amiss in not recognizing her as she should have been as a person who came from here, someone who has contributed to the world's art," said Alexander. He said the thousands of people the Mendel expects for the opening will be there for "the right reasons and the wrong reasons." "The wrong reason will be to come for the celebrity and only that. She has painted for how many years. I hope the credit and the criticism will be based on the artwork," he said. Premier Roy Romanow and federal Heritage Minister Sheila Copps are expected to be among the dignitaries attending the showing. That's it... damn... 6000 people... Kakki and Jimmy, still not too late to fly in Friday morning -- you can fly out Friday midnight... c'mon, it'll be kooky and wacky to fly to Canada for 12 hours ;) Evian ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #243 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?