From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #241 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, June 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 241 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy ["P. Henry" ] Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) ["P. Henry" ] Jagger is GOOD-LOOKING??? ["P. Henry" ] Re:The Last Time I Saw Dickhead [TheHotelNH@aol.com] Re: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy [Phyliss Ward ] DED without synths [TheHotelNH@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #321 [EVRIBUTJON@aol.com] BSN Live Shows Wanted- ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Play Joni Tribute Now ["Ken (slarty)" ] Metheny / Gorelick [dave fairall / beth miller ] Re: CD Tracks. [Mark Domyancich ] Re: favorite cd's [Jerry Notaro ] An idea for AsharaFest this year [Mark Domyancich ] blessed be the peacemakers [pat holden ] blessed be the peacemakers [pat holden ] Re: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy ["P. Henry" ] Re: favorite cd's [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Joni moment [Louis Lynch ] Audience Recording of Camden Show Available ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: favorite cd's [FredNow@aol.com] Re: CD Tracks [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Joni at Camden WOW! [FredNow@aol.com] CD copying (was favorite cd's) [Steven Barton ] RE: CD Tracks ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: An idea for AsharaFest this year [Heather ] Re: Joni at Camden WOW! ["Kakki" ] Re: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Joni at Camden WOW! [FredNow@aol.com] Re: favorite cd's [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Joni's orchestras ["Kakki" ] RE: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni and Icing ["Paul Headon" ] The Last Time [Michael Paz ] You have MY attention!!!! [Michael Paz ] joni, joni, joni, joni, joni, joni.... ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Joni moment [Siresorrow@aol.com] post script on peace making [pat holden ] Re: Joni's orchestras [FredNow@aol.com] Re: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 02:11:42 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy kate wrote: >re: Over the Moon!!!. My new website is now up & running at last (stage 1 at least) and there are now Mp3 song samples...> hi kate, I'd really like to hear the samples from your cd but my mac isn't new enough for amazon... could you post the URL of your site? (again?) your msg was cut short in my copy of the digest. >Anyway, I hope there is a CD or video of the Joni Fest concert, could be a great way to fundraise for the websites!> it's funny, I made exactly this same recommendation last year after the jonifest at ashara's and it was met with dead silence. I hope people respond to yours. as much as donations are being emphasized, now elevated to being the first thing posted on every digest, you would think this idea would be readily received. personally I'd love to have video/audio of *both* fests. I hope you will do us the honor of playing at the next one. that would be awesome. :o) pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:02:18 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) deb posted: >Check this out: http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://216.247.66.89/lyrics/index.cfm> so what's the point? pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:08:16 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: city, jungle, suburb Thanks for your kind words, Jim /Lamadoo, Hissing is truly a masterwork... As a "total work" it's in its own category. No other "concept album" (that I've come upon) approaches this level of overall design and intelligence. Plus it's great music. I would hope that it will still be recognized as such 50 years from now. And I believe it will. Bruce M. NP: early morning bird songs >Wow Bruce, >Or as Kakki would say, >"Oh my, Bruce. Oh my." >I love this type of writing. I call it lit-crit. Literary critique. This >is the kind of depth that I find so rich and rewarding in Joni's lyrics, her >stories. Your post is a perfect example of what's so rewarding (to me) >about the List. > >Lamadoo np: "DJRD", and no, I'm not making it up. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:07:27 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Jagger is GOOD-LOOKING??? catherine opined: >Is someone implying that Jagger is GOOD- LOOKING??? My God, the guy looks like a prune on a stick. He was NEVER good-looking and now he's just this OLD not-good-looking fart cavorting around on stage like a manic handpuppet. So retire, already, Mick, and take those dried-up skeleton friends of yours with you...> this post gave me a chuckle recalling the early 'brit invasion' days as a teen. there was a time when the Beatles were already busted out in the states but the Stones were still unknown... at any rate, there were 'teen' mags on the stands with pics and articles about these bands and I remember there was a newspaper type thing that was from UK that had an article on the stones and the gimmick was that they were the 'ugliest band in the world'!!! it was in black and white and, offered as proof, had five very plain, frontal close up pics, one of each and about as flattering as an x-ray! they really didn't look much better when they appeared on Ed Sullivan, but the girls screamed and fainted just like when the Beatles were on and by the mid-seventies Mick Jagger was well established as a top 'sex symbol'! unbelievable! ...I STILL don't believe it! pat NP: My Lady's A Wild Flyin' Dove - Tom Paxton Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:23:30 EDT From: TheHotelNH@aol.com Subject: Re:The Last Time I Saw Dickhead You eat he said you live to consume Go look at your ass it's full of room You like drive-thru's and fast foods and greasy men who sell you All those greasy fries greasy fries When you gonna realize they're only greasy fries Only greasy fries just greasy fries I thought this was hilarious! Thanks for that... Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:30:51 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy Kate and Pat, Your suggestions to use JoniFest 2000 video, if available, to raise money for the websites is a good one. However, this concert was put together as a fundraiser for the Ruth Paz Foundation. All the Artists, food, technical assistance, etc for the concert were donated with that charity in mind. So, IMHO, if the tapes end up being sold, the money should go to that charity as well. Michael, as board member of that charity, put a lot of work into making that wondrous night happen and any funds should go to his worth cause. You can read more about the foundation at their website: http://www.honduras.com/ruthpaz/ Phyliss "P. Henry" wrote: > kate wrote: > >Anyway, I hope there is a CD or video of the > Joni Fest concert, could be a great way to > fundraise for the websites!> > > it's funny, I made exactly this same > recommendation last year after the jonifest at > ashara's and it was met with dead silence. I hope > people respond to yours. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:37:36 EDT From: TheHotelNH@aol.com Subject: DED without synths I agree about wanting to hear some of the DED songs on the next album. After all the discussion, I think that it would open some people's eyes to really hear the songs for what they are. I think they're wonderful, well-written songs that have gotten buried beneath some layers that we hadn't heard before, and that we don't normally associate with Joni. One of the things that I love about her music is to listen to the intricacies of her guitar chords and strumming (as in Sweet Bird, or Borderline), and we don't get that with DED. There are some wonderful lyrics, though (Good Friends is actually a lot of fun; Fiction is pretty witty), and if you listen, you can hear the guitar work that Joni's famous for buried underneath those layers. For example, the first time I heard Three Great Stimulants was one one of the Joni video trees when she performed it acoustic and solo. I bought DED because of that, and was puzzled at how different it was on the cd. But then I grew to appreciate that even though I always thought the drums were especially heavy on that track. As for songs that she could do with an orchestra, I think Lucky Girl would be an interesting one to hear. I think that's one that has a lot of style. She could also jazz up Good Friends and do that one. Chris NP: Downloaded songs from the new Sinead cd...(I'm still going to buy a copy, of course!). Have you guys heard any of this yet? What do you think? I LOVE what I've heard so far. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:00:25 EDT From: EVRIBUTJON@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #321 Hi Everybody, I don't post that often, but I do read everyday. Anyway, I am jealous. How do I get a copy of Joni's Camden show? I have to have...Someone please help... John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:23:36 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: BSN Live Shows Wanted- I'm looking to trade 8"x10" concert photo of Joni on the BSN Tour for an audience recording in any city except Concord, California. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:26:16 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: Play Joni Tribute Now Jim, don't you dare take down your RealAudio Site. In fact please post the link to it! It's not that you are obsolete as there are many people without broad band service. I just happen to be incredibly ahead of my time. ;^) By the way it was Brenda who pointed me to MyPlay. I had never heard of it. Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Thanks Ken! I'll try it once I have broadband service restored. I guess I > can take my RealAudio page down now! You've made me obsolete! You dog!! > How did you discover those folks? Is your playlist supported free or do you > pay a fee? > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:35:48 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: Metheny / Gorelick I agree that Pat Metheny maybe "went off the deep end" with his remarks about Kenny G, but it's a stretch to say said comments are "soulless". Pat took extreme umbrage to Kenny G's bastardization of a Louis Armstrong tune, presumably just to make $$$. I agree w/ Pat that this form of musical necrophilia is bullshit, and his diatribe reveals an authentic passion about jazz, Louis Armstrong, and the responsibility of those for whom music is their calling. It's too bad he reverted to dissing KG's playing as "pseudo bluesy, out-of-tune, noodling, wimped out, and fucked-up", (although personally I agree), as those comments didn't serve to further his argument. A great many musicians take issue with the fact that Kenny G., {who does possess some ability}, has never paid homage to the true masters of the soprano saxophone, {Coltrane, Shorter, Liebman etc). By virtue of his inordinate success, he's been afforded an opportunity to expose the masses to jazz, but for some reason has squandered that opportunity miserably. His whole approach is extremely self- centered and self-indulgent, as is his music, and for that reason, he's reviled at every turn by serious musicians. Dave F. Baltimore Md. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:15:09 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: It's got me hopin' for the future Help Me was #1 on the charts 26 years ago today. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:08:23 PDT From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: favorite cd's That's what I thought. Therefore, why the distinction that I keep seeing between copies tapes vs. copies CD's? There's no difference. >From: RandyRemote >The law is copying is OK for personal use ie a tape for the car, >etc. Copyright is literally the right to copy, which is reserved for >the copyright holder; either the creator of the work, or the entity >assigned by her/him. >RR > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:13:47 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: CD Tracks. John, You can check out my tabs for Court and Spark and The Silky Veils of Ardor on the guitar site... both have additional guitars in the background that I transcribed. I think what I did is the same as what you heard with your stereo. At 12:51 AM -0500 6/10/00, Richard Rice wrote: >It was an amazing musical experience! A wonderful lesson in >accompanyment and harmony. My question is, how to get more!!!! ?????? - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:27:56 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: favorite cd's Reuben Bell wrote: > > That's what I thought. Therefore, why the distinction that I keep seeing > between copies tapes vs. copies CD's? There's no difference. The difference is not in the copyright, but in the ability to violate copyright. CD's copies can be done at high speed and with no degredation in quality. Cassettes degrade from one generation to the next (about 3%) and high speed duplication degrades them even much further. Thus the fear that cd copies make copyright violation more possible. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:19:06 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: An idea for AsharaFest this year Hey everyone, Late last night I put on FTR and imagined how fun it would be if all the JMDL musicians at Ashara's this year played it in its entirety. I figured since a group of fairly good musicians can do Hejira, why couldn't we do FTR? We could have the choir doing the "hoo hoos" (don't take that one the wrong way! You know what I mean!) Just an idea... I think it would be a ton of fun. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:44:49 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: blessed be the peacemakers I would also like to take this opportunity to make a plea to the throwers of missiles. Please. If you have something nasty to say, please keep it private or better yet, dont say it at all. What purpose does it serve? It does hurt others, even if it was not meant for them (us, me). ouch. with the best of intentions, mags, who is feeling the wounds today. np: river - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:45:44 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: blessed be the peacemakers I would also like to take this opportunity to make a plea to the throwers of missiles. Please. If you have something nasty to say, please keep it private or better yet, dont say it at all. What purpose does it serve? It does hurt others, even if it was not meant for them (us, me). ouch. with the best of intentions, mags, who is feeling the wounds today. np: river - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:00:01 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy phyliss, for my part, being so far away from nawlins, or any of the cities Joni is playing in for that matter, a lot of these details have escaped my attention, but if that was the intent, by all means, so be it! I'm nobody's daddy and if the jmdlers decided to support that cause, God bless 'em! my own experience of Michael assures me that he worked every bit as hard as everyone said he did to make sure it was great for everyone and I know he comes from the heart. it's just that kate's post reminded me that no one had ever made a peep about the idea, pro or con, when I posted it after the fest at ashara's, yet there appeared to be such dire need, especially during wally's last days with us... it's an idea... I don't really know if it's the best idea or not... I do know that I'd gladly 'donate' top dollar for a tape of jmdlers singing their hearts out to Joni's music and, there being around 600 of us, it seems that, if this idea caught on, this might be an avenue by which we could meet a bunch of those dire needs. thanks for the info. pat - -- On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:30:51 Phyliss Ward wrote: >Kate and Pat, > >Your suggestions to use JoniFest 2000 video, if available, to raise >money for the websites is a good one. However, this concert was put >together as a fundraiser for the Ruth Paz Foundation. All the Artists, >food, technical assistance, etc for the concert were donated with that >charity in mind. So, IMHO, if the tapes end up being sold, the money >should go to that charity as well. Michael, as board member of that >charity, put a lot of work into making that wondrous night happen and >any funds should go to his worth cause. > >You can read more about the foundation at their website: > >http://www.honduras.com/ruthpaz/ > >Phyliss > >"P. Henry" wrote: > >> kate wrote: >> >Anyway, I hope there is a CD or video of the >> Joni Fest concert, could be a great way to >> fundraise for the websites!> >> >> it's funny, I made exactly this same >> recommendation last year after the jonifest at >> ashara's and it was met with dead silence. I hope >> people respond to yours. >> > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:16:03 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: favorite cd's In a message dated 6/10/00 11:12:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, reubenbell@hotmail.com writes: << That's what I thought. Therefore, why the distinction that I keep seeing between copies tapes vs. copies CD's? There's no difference. The difference is that Randy did not explain it clearly. If you buy the CD and want to make a copy of it to play in your car because your car has a tape player but not a CD, that is "personal" use. When a friend makes a copy of the CD or tape and gives it to YOU, that is NOT personal use. That is against the law. Paul I >From: RandyRemote >The law is copying is OK for personal use ie a tape for the car, >etc. Copyright is literally the right to copy, which is reserved for >the copyright holder; either the creator of the work, or the entity >assigned by her/him. >RR >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:23:40 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Joni moment Dear everybody, Well, I went to the Glam Name Generator site. Instead of Harper Lou, you now can know me as "Decadence Hotplume." I swear that's what my mother used to call me when she was mad. And, I received my come-uppance from a Metheny fan or two, who grant me that Metheny might have gone overboard calling Kenny G all kinds of names and publicly trashing him, but they all agree with what Metheny said and truly think that Kenny G should be trashed publicly. Shame that they did away with lynching, witch burning, and tarring and feathering, isn't it? People would have more outlets for their animosity.... "We think Kenny G is lame!!!!" "Hang him, hang him, hang him!" "We hate Fabio!!!!" "To the stocks! To the stocks!!!!" "Shania Twain isn't real country!" "Kill the witch! Kill the witch!" Ah, civilization. Anyway, on to the Joni moment. I bought a new car yesterday, a big-ass Chevrolet Astro so finally I can haul the harp around without scraping the sides of my car interior, herniating every muscle below my waist, and knocking the tuning pegs out. The van has a CD player in it! So, I decided that Joni's "Hits" CD was a worthy inaugural listen. Wow! I realized I haven't really heard any good music for a while. Listening to CDs on mini-computer speakers is not reality. The beat-up Ford station wagon's cassette player was not even surreality. And, when you're bustling around at home with the stereo blasting, you're still not focused. It made me realize that I haven't sat down and REALLY listened to music for a long, long while -- I'm too busy playing music myself, rewinding a tape over and over to learn it, or just having music play in the background while I'm concentrating on something else. Listening to the "best of" Joni Mitchell took me back to the halcyon days when I could sit back with my eyes closed and simply listen to a (vinyl) record now and again. That time when hearing Joni sing was all I needed to "set my soul free" for a while. And, being able to hear every inflection, every vibrato, every breath of that beautiful gift of a voice made me realize that it's not enough just to stop and smell the roses as you rollerblade through the hour or two set aside for recreation. You think you're carpe dieming, but you're really not. You also have to stop and listen to the Joni! So, everybody. Run out right now and buy an Astro van with a CD player. I mean, really, after getting out of the Astro, I am 25+ years younger, my waistline is 28 inches again, my gray hairs have disappeared, and I plan to drive to Washington tomorrow to protest this horrible war in Vietnam. Younger and wiser, Decadence Hotplume ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:33:06 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Audience Recording of Camden Show Available Simon has provided a copy of the Camden, New Jersey stop of the "Both Sides Now" tour. It's available free when you send me a 110 minute cassette. I'm making this tape available only to those who have the studio version of "Both Sides Now" or the Limited Edition. I have moved so please write for the new address and details. I'm looking for a European Branch for this recording! I haven't listened to it on the big stereo as it's still in boxes so a critical analysis will have to wait. It's probably DAT-sourced like the Concord show! All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:49:07 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Camden Tape Offer WOW is right! This recording sounds incredibly good for an audience recording. God bless a quiet and attentive audience. I have not heard any of the other shows by which to compare, but Kakki is quite right about this one. I'll take the first 3 folks to contact me and the first 3 digesters as well (digesters include header in your response please) for B&P who can provide the correct answer to the following trivia question: Who was the inventor of the metronome? You will need to send a BLANK 110 minute cassette tape and a postage paid mailer. Bob M, Jim H, and Ashara, you 3 are automatically ad additionally in as well if you want. CAVEAT: You will lose one generation by accepting a copy from me. If you can get it directly from the source, go for it...you will save a generation. gdave NP: Joni Mitchell E-Center, Camden 6/2/00 - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:01:15 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: The painting on the cover of "Both Sides Now" Regarding the cover of "Both Sides Now," am I the first -- or the last -- to notice what looks suspiciously like a map of Canada on the coaster next to Joni's elbow? Just wondering, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:03:47 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: An idea for AsharaFest this year this is such a good idea! i want to do judgement of the moon and stars and/or let the wind carry me. wally > Hey everyone, > > Late last night I put on FTR and imagined how fun it would be if all > the JMDL musicians at Ashara's this year played it in its entirety. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:16:16 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: RE: An idea for AsharaFest this year If I had my choice I would do Cold Blue Steel and For The Roses. I was thinking maybe Terry could play Electricity, Claudia, maybe You Turn Me On, Sue, Woman of Heart and Mind... At 4:03 PM -0300 6/10/00, Wally Kairuz wrote: >this is such a good idea! i want to do judgement of the moon and stars >and/or let the wind carry me. >wally >> Hey everyone, >> >> Late last night I put on FTR and imagined how fun it would be if all >> the JMDL musicians at Ashara's this year played it in its entirety. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:21:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: An idea for AsharaFest this year marian would be great for barangrill! wallyk > If I had my choice I would do Cold Blue Steel and For The Roses. I > was thinking maybe Terry could play Electricity, Claudia, maybe You > Turn Me On, Sue, Woman of Heart and Mind... > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:27:10 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: The painting on the cover of "Both Sides Now" I couldn't tell if it was a map of Canada. I knew it was"the back of a cartoon coaster". Peg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:08:58 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: Steely Dan (SJC) Oh, I think the first chord at the start of the verse of Hejira is B mu-major. Is that true? Peg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:46:35 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: Steely Dan (SJC) Eric, Interesting. As far as the innovation/evolution count - it's Neil Young (who I absolutely LOVE) who doesn't match up in my view. I don't see *growth* of the kind Joni has demonstrated in Neil or Bruce (who I also count as one of the world's finest songwriter's and spirits! ) If you want to talk innovation/evolution - Joni's rivals could be Laurie Anderson, David Byrne, The Roches & the like. Folks not stuck in *style*. Who else? Paul Simon? Peg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:38:41 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: Translation Regarding translations: Ada, I don't remember where on the web, some Joni associated site, they were selling a japanese version of one of her cds. This was only a week or so ago. Peg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:55:31 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: The Younger Girl Love this Robert Altman photo of Joni and the boys at Big Sur in 1969 http://www2.cea.edu/robert/Page3bb.MoMusic.Gallery.html (scroll down to the bottom) PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:07:58 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: favorite cd's "Reuben Bell" wrote: >Why do people get so bent out of shape about burning CD's? It has been >the norm for years to pirate cassette recordings. Tell me that you have never >owned a pirated tape copy of an album that you didn't buy. (Please accept >my apologies if you really never have :) ) I personally am a marketer's >dream, and can't stand to have the music without the package, but I don't >think that its morally reprehensible to copy music. What is the law? >I'm curious. Speaking as a recording musician/composer who earns a living from my music, I can tell you exactly why people get so bent out of shape about burning CDs instead of buying one: it's stealing. If you are making a second copy for your own personal use (say, for the car), having already bought a copy, that's cool. But if you obtain a burned CD as your only copy instead of buying one (the scenario described in the Steely Dan post that spawned this debate), you are stealing the music from the artist you admire, plain and simple. Musicians/composers receive a royalty from each unit sold, and that's how we pay the bills and buy food for Baby. To deny your favorite musicians their just rewards for their creative efforts is indeed morally reprehensible. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:19:48 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: CD Tracks Richard Rice wrote: >My player had isolated one of the over dubed guitar tracks and muted all >the others, including Joni's vocal. This track ran up front in the mix, >clear as a bell, while the other tracks with vocal played muted behind >it. >Should anyone have a clue as to how one might perform this magic, please >fill us in. It's impossible for a stereo playback unit to isolate individual tracks from a two track mix. What you were most likely experiencing was that one of the two tracks, left or right, was cutting out, and you were hearing the remaining track in mono (assuming it was in both ears; if it was only in one ear then that's certainly what was happening). I used to have a car stereo with only one side working and loved to hear Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Hendrix, etc. because in those days of (relatively) limited mixing flexibility one would often hear just vocals on one side, or just the band and no vocals, or some of the instruments and not others, with or without vocals, and with the missing parts faintly heard in the background. On many Beatles tunes, one side is just drums, and one can more easily tell just how great a drummer Ringo is. In fact, for both amusement and education, I still often turn the balance knob on my stereo to one side or the other in order to hear isolated parts. This is no doubt what you were hearing on DJRD. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:30:00 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni at Camden WOW! "Kakki" wrote: >In a way it was certainly risky of Joni, Mendoza and Klein to just breeze >into town and rehearse for a few hours with the locals before show time, >but oooweee, it makes for marvelous spontaneity and the feel of hearing real, >ALIVE music happening and not the canned, go-through-the-motions performance >of a band that has done it over and over by rote in their sleep. Touring with the same large orchestra is economically prohibitive, that's why pick-up orchestras culled from each city were used. But spontaneity is not the exclusive province of the pick-up band, nor is it a given that an orchestra with the same personnel from night to night will sound canned or rote. Many great symphony orchestras tour, and they bring vitality and spontaneity to each gig every night. Conversely, a pick-up band can easily sound jaded or stilted ... it all depends on the specific players, conductor, solo artist, and the music. In the case of Joni, Mendoza, Erskine et al, and this music, no orchestra, whether pick-up or touring, would sound rote given this level of inspiration. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:38:35 -0700 From: Steven Barton Subject: CD copying (was favorite cd's) > If you are making a second copy for your own personal use (say, for the car), > having already bought a copy, that's cool. But if you obtain a burned CD as > your only copy instead of buying one, you are stealing the music from the > artist you admire, plain and simple. It is very rare that I will copy an entire album to CD (after printing out covers and labels, it is expensive, and a lot of work). What are your thoughts about making compilations and samplers to give to family and friends? This is really helping to spread the word about particular artists, especially obscure artists. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:47:48 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: CD Tracks although i fear that i may end up puked on all over again, i must confess that i play with the balance knob a lot when i listen to the carpenters. you won't believe how much you can learn about harmonizing by listening to karen's multidubbed voice this way. wallyk, missing karen. > In fact, for both amusement and education, I still often turn the balance > knob on my stereo to one side or the other in order to hear isolated parts. > This is no doubt what you were hearing on DJRD. > > -Fred Simon > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:16:25 -0400 From: Heather Subject: RE: An idea for AsharaFest this year My god!! Are all you wonderful people going to be at Ashara's in September!?? This is going to be the best Jonifest yet! (can't wait to meet you Marky Mark!) Heather - who is working on another fancy idea for name tags. I'm hoping they will be collectors items ;-D At 02:16 PM 6/10/00 -0500, Mark Domyancich wrote: >If I had my choice I would do Cold Blue Steel and For The Roses. I was >thinking maybe Terry could play Electricity, Claudia, maybe You Turn Me >On, Sue, Woman of Heart and Mind... > >At 4:03 PM -0300 6/10/00, Wally Kairuz wrote: >>this is such a good idea! i want to do judgement of the moon and stars >>and/or let the wind carry me. >>wally >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> Late last night I put on FTR and imagined how fun it would be if all >>> the JMDL musicians at Ashara's this year played it in its entirety. > >-- >Mark Domyancich >Harpua@revealed.net >tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:16:05 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni at Camden WOW! Fred wrote: > Touring with the same large orchestra is economically >prohibitive, that's why pick-up orchestras culled from each > >city were used. Well, being an obsessed reader of all things Joni, I knew that! I guess I should never post when feeling overly enthusiastic - it gets me into trouble most times! ;-D As for your other points, I completely agree with every word! I was not being clear. Without hopefully getting myself in deeper, my comments were somewhat provoked by some reviewers who criticized what they perceived as "sloppiness" due to the lack of rehearsal time, etc. in using the local orchestras. That so-called "sloppiness" was perceived by me as great spontaneity and very exciting. I was just pondering whether there would have been quite the same effect if she had dragged along the same big old orchestra from city to city. Maybe there *would* have been freshly inspired performances each and every time. Kakki NP: Joni at Camden - Case of You ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:33:07 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy Phyliss, as one of performers, I must agree wholeheartedly with your comment. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:45:43 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni at Camden WOW! In a message dated 6/10/00 5:25:25 PM, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: >I was just pondering whether there would >have been quite the same effect if she had dragged along the same big old >orchestra from city to city. Maybe there *would* have been freshly inspired >performances each and every time. Oh, you could count on that and much more. I knew some of the players in the Chicago orchestra, and they said there was a lot of music to learn in a very short time. So part of what one hears is spontaneity, but to a great extent what one hears is the musicians working instead of playing. In the hypothetical scenario of Joni touring with the same orchestra every night, the music would become less and less about learning the notes and more and more about expressing the essence, which, of course, is what one wants. That doesn't come to a given group of musicians until many, many gigs have been played. If you think these gigs were good (and they were), it would be mind blowing to hear Joni with an orchestra playing its 20th gig in a row. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:02:53 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: favorite cd's Here we go again. Randy, are you sure copying is OK for personal use? Please quote the statute and case law to that effect, for my benefit, if nothing else. I'm pretty sure there is an exception for educational use and fair use (which I believe means quoting a few lines of a book in a review of that book.) Now if we're talking morality...one of the reasons I create music is to earn money. I don't want people using my creations and not paying me for them. If I CHOOSE to give away a copy of my cd, well, that's my choice. Please don't choose for me. As for my own violations of the law, they do exist and I justify them as follows: if I photocopy a piece of sheet music for one of my singer-clients, it's because the song is either out of print or can only be bought in a big book with hundreds of songs not needed, at a cost of $20.00 or more. That would be my explanation, as the judge sentenced me in a criminal trial. So if the music shared via tape-copying is not commercially available, then I don't accuse you of depriving the copyright holders of their income from a sale. Otherwise, I'm afraid I do. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:03:44 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's orchestras >I knew some of the players in the Chicago orchestra, and >they said there was a lot of music to learn in a very short >time. Last night I was talking on the phone with a list friend and we both felt very strongly that a list MUST be compiled of the orchestras from each show. It would be a terrible omission not to have each of them recognized and credited somewhere on the the web sites. Deb asked for a list the other day here, but I have not seen any replies to it. How can we compile this list? Surely at least one person attending each show must know. Maybe we should at least put together a partial list and then for the ones we don't know, we could email Joni's management or maybe Peter Erskine's website. >If you think these gigs were good (and they were), it would >be mind blowing to hear Joni with an orchestra playing its >20th gig in a row. Fred, you know *I* would rave either way ;-) Kakki NP: Joni/Camden - Hejira ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:02:48 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy That makes sense, to donate the money to the Ruth Paz Foundation, since that is what the concert was about. I am relatively new to this list, so wasn't around when Pat made his suggestion before... Either way, I would love a copy of the tape, would pay some # and know that it was going to a good cause.. Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter PO Box 31001 Santa Barbara, CA 93130-1001 email kate@katebennett.com website www.katebennett.com - -----Original Message----- From: Phyliss Ward [mailto:pward@lightspeed.net] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 6:31 AM To: P. Henry Cc: kate@katebennett.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy Kate and Pat, Your suggestions to use JoniFest 2000 video, if available, to raise money for the websites is a good one. However, this concert was put together as a fundraiser for the Ruth Paz Foundation. All the Artists, food, technical assistance, etc for the concert were donated with that charity in mind. So, IMHO, if the tapes end up being sold, the money should go to that charity as well. Michael, as board member of that charity, put a lot of work into making that wondrous night happen and any funds should go to his worth cause. You can read more about the foundation at their website: http://www.honduras.com/ruthpaz/ Phyliss "P. Henry" wrote: > kate wrote: > >Anyway, I hope there is a CD or video of the > Joni Fest concert, could be a great way to > fundraise for the websites!> > > it's funny, I made exactly this same > recommendation last year after the jonifest at > ashara's and it was met with dead silence. I hope > people respond to yours. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:08:47 +0100 From: "Paul Headon" Subject: Joni and Icing Here is my report on the Joni concert in New York on the 22nd May. The brief version:- IT WAS FABULOUS and any other superlative you may care to add !!! Longer version:- Her voice was strong clear and dripping with emotion. The orchestra gave a great backdrop and I was mesmerised by Herbie Hancock. I am now pleading for a GB concert. Joni was awesome even allowing for my bias :-) She sang with very few mistakes indeed, her voice cracked slightly once perhaps twice. How great it is to hear her voice live again, the last time was in 1983 in London. We are soooo lucky to have her. She outstripped my (high) expectations by a country mile. My only question now is where does she go from here? Wherever it is I will be there. I now intend to go to each of her future concert tours from here on in. This woman is a living breathing treasure. As you might have gathered from this I liked the concert :-) As an icing on the cake I went to a comedy show at the New York comedy club later in the week with about 60 others at the end of 2 hours and 6 comedians a special guest was announced. It was *Gerry Sienfeld* (who was "bored" and wanted to keep in practice) and he did an amazing 40 minute set. I was dumbstruck at my luck as you can imagine ! However Joni was the highlight of that week and I suspect for many many weeks to come ;-) Hi once again to all those at Judy's in Chelsea who saw before the concert Cheers for now, (back to lurking mode) Paul Headon in Wales ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:37:27 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: The Last Time I screamed when I snag this to myself. This is one for the archives. Please send it to Les for the hall of fame. Michael The Last Time I Saw Dickhead The last time I saw Dickhead was detox on April 8th And he told me all hedonists meet the same fate someday Spherical and plump and slurping something off some plastic tray You eat he said you live to consume Go look at your ass it's full of room You like drive-thru's and fast foods and greasy men who sell you All those greasy fries greasy fries When you gonna realize they're only greasy fries Only greasy fries just greasy fries I ate a Quarterpounder and pizza and I pushed Three fries in and then things began to blur And then bizarre babes came by with toothpick bodies that had no thighs And they said "Eat up now it's gettin' on time to purge" "Dickhead, you haven’t really changed" I said It's just that you should try supersizing that brain that’s in your head You got scones in your eyes and the things you like are creamy Eat them, they taste of life so sweet, life so sweet When you gonna get yourself back on red meat? Oh life can be so sweet Life so sweet Dickhead got hooked up to a big pacemaker And it sets off his fruit juicer and his heart defibrillator And he eats fat free now most nights with the IV on And all the good stuff locked up tight I'm gonna fill these love handles out I don't want nobody comin' over to my table I got nothing to talk to anybody about All hedonists pass this way some day Hidin’ out at food courts with plastic trays plastic trays Havin’ some pork chow foon before I get my Buff'lo wings to take away Only a phase these plastic tray days ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:48:53 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: You have MY attention!!!! Mark wrote: "Late last night I put on FTR and imagined how fun it would be if all the JMDL musicians at Ashara's this year played it in its entirety. I figured since a group of fairly good musicians can do Hejira, why couldn't we do FTR? We could have the choir doing the "hoo hoos" (don't take that one the wrong way! You know what I mean!) Just an idea... I think it would be a ton of fun." THIS IS A GREAT IDEA!!! And you have my attention.(Boy it sure don't take much to do that even in this state of mind) The only one I can do is "Radio", but coincidently I downloaded your version of FTR yesterday at work. Hmmmmmmm! Hey Kakki, got any frequent flyer miles left???? Move me three pegs closer to going to Boston... Oh OH! Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 21:52:54 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: joni, joni, joni, joni, joni, joni.... We're sitting in the backyard tonight, eating some dinner and talking and listening to Joni Mitchell and when the song Hejira came through the speakers I was immediately overcome with a strong feeling of sitting at Chastain on a night just like this, listening to Joni sing and I just can't get enough of her and I completely replay that night in my head as if I was still there, under the stars, on a cool summer evening, drifting, drifting, drifting.... Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:54:41 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: You have MY attention!!!! > "Late last night I put on FTR and imagined how fun it would >be if all the JMDL musicians at Ashara's this year played it >in its entirety. > THIS IS A GREAT IDEA!!! And you have my attention.(Boy it >sure don't take much to do that even in >this state of mind) The only one I can do is "Radio", but coincidently I downloaded your version of FTR >yesterday at work. Hmmmmmmm! Hey Kakki, got any frequent flyer miles left???? Move me three >pegs closer to going to Boston... Oh OH! Mark's suggestion caught my attention, too, and got me drooling, of course! If I ruled the world we'd do an entire *weekend* of FTR! ;-) I think you should get your piano chops up for this one, Paz. I got the miles, the supply of Benadryl and the desire. Just don't know yet if work will be shipping me off to the tropics again at that point. Nonetheless, I will start practicing ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:12:18 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni moment In a message dated 6/10/00 1:27:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << Instead of Harper Lou, you now can know me as "Decadence Hotplume." I swear that's what my mother used to call me when she was mad. >> jesus, harper lou, that is a beautiful name. decadence hotplume. i love it. damn. it's a beaut. p. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:18:34 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: post script on peace making I dont know why but this post didnt make it to the list today, I sent it just after my initial blessed be the peacemakers one and think it is important to say this. Food for thought. here it is: Just a little post script to my plea here. I know that someone has left the list due to the barbs and I am so very sorry to see this happen. It does matter. Words can plant stakes deep into the heart and spirit. so please, be slow to speak, take a walk, run, shower, whatever it is that will cool you down into a place of compassion. Mags. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:58:03 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's orchestras In a message dated 6/10/00 6:13:07 PM, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: >It would be a terrible omission not to have each of them recognized and >credited somewhere on the the web sites. Deb asked for a list the other >day here, but I have not seen any replies to it. How can we compile this list? You'd have to get in touch with the contractor, who may be one person/firm for the whole tour or different in each city. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:10:46 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy In a message dated 6/10/00 11:04:22 AM US Central Standard Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << I do know that I'd gladly 'donate' top dollar for a tape of jmdlers singing their hearts out to Joni's music and, there being around 600 of us, it seems that, if this idea caught on, this might be an avenue by which we could meet a bunch of those dire needs. >> Hi Pat, I've got the 4-CD set from Jonifest '99 and would love to make copies for everyone and anyone who wants it, as I posted back when they came out. I also am getting the UK Fest and will be glad to do the same. I also have the "Tape of You" project available on either cassette or CD, so if you want recordings of JMDLer's singing their hearts out, they're only an e-mail away! :-) Bob ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #241 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?