From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #238 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, June 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 238 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- That Song About the Midway ["Kate Bennett" ] Attention NZ list-members ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) [Deb Messling ] Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Grace BIO JC [peves@marlboro.edu] Dog Eat Dolby [Louis Lynch ] Re: Dog Eat Dolby [B Merrill ] Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) [Brian Gross ] Re: HDCD? ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: Joni's Roots Are Showing [Catherine McKay ] HOSL: city, jungle, suburb [B Merrill ] Re: Nancy Wilson cover of ACOY ["James L. Leonard" ] Carla Helmbrecht [SMEBD@aol.com] Early Joni Info [Bounced Message ] Re: HOSL: city, jungle, suburb [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] [none] [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) ["Alison Einerson" ] Circle Game [leslie@torchsongs.com] A Joni Moment [leslie@torchsongs.com] BAD DAN REVIEW [dave fairall / beth miller ] METHENY ON KENNY G [dave fairall / beth miller ] Re: HDCD? [RandyRemote ] Re: [Phyliss Ward ] RE: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: A Joni Moment (VLJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: the hissing lawns [Howard Motyl ] Re: A Joni Moment ["Kakki" ] RE: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) [Mark Domyancich ] BSN Review ["Michael Paz" ] Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) [Don Rowe ] Audra McDonald on Joni Mitchell [PPeterson4@aol.com] BSN songs older than I thought, etc [PPeterson4@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 04:14:34 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: That Song About the Midway I need to quickly relearn That Song About the Midway. I used to play it in regular tuning but that was a long time ago. I love the chords & tuning on the JMDL site but I may not be able to learn & memorize it in time for a last minute gig (request). Can anyone help me out with standard tuning chords that work for this song? ASAP, thanks! Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter PO Box 31001 Santa Barbara, CA 93130-1001 email kate@katebennett.com website www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:03:07 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Attention NZ list-members No, it's not an invitation to Hellfest (now THERE'S an image!) but an offer to NZ lurkers who would like a copy of the programme from Joni's recent Both Sides Now tour in the US. Cassy (from Detroit) has kindly sent over a wee stack of these to distribute around the country. Just drop me a line and I'll put one in the post! Hell _____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:39:06 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) Check this out: http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://216.247.66.89/lyrics/index.cfm Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:11:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Attention NZ list-members <> And for you Aussies, Uncle John Low has a package coming with some programs as well, so you can let him know if you want one... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:20:35 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: go where you will go to did joni ever got to know michael very well?... yours in tears nuriel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:19:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) <> Oh wow, Deb...this is an absolute HOOT!! Funny that the mechanism changes "Man" to "Sinner" such that 'God Must Be A Boogie Man' is NOW 'God must Be a Boogie Sinner'! :~) Well done, good & faithful servant of the JMDL! Bob NP: David Baerwald, "AIDS & Armageddon" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:04:31 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: Grace BIO JC Alice, BTW did you see in Grace's new autobiography where she talks about seeing JONI in an LA rest and wanting to approach her? She commented to the effect that she was too intimidated by anyone musician enough to play with Mingus. So she didn't approach her. Peg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 06:01:15 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Dog Eat Dolby Harper Lou here, Always willing to jump in and risk insulting somebody (it's a gift). All you peoples who don't like Dog Eat Dog MUST take another listen. Consider what was on the radio when it was released, and compare it to Joni's previous and next work. Standing alone as a recorded work, it is a stroke of genius. In context to the times, it was a sheer masterpiece. Although it's not my favorite Joni, I really enjoy the album and there are times I really need to hear it again. Certain albums strike certain chords, you know. And, a lot of times a recording or a song will win a place in my heart just by what it does to me when I hear it the first time. When I hear some of Joni's works, like Ladies of the Canyon or Man on the Moon, I think they are very pretty, but they really don't evoke all that much response. However, certain songs or records create very strong reactions -- First listen of You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio, pure joy. First listen of Blue Motel Room, sheer harmonic bliss. First listen of Cotton Avenue, especially when she purrs the second Cotton Avenue, a noticeable and uncontrollable male response usually associated more with personal contact or pornography than with recorded music (What are YOU doing down there!). First listen of Why Do Fools Fall in Love with the Persuasions, an uncontrollable desire to get up and dance across the room. First listen of River, shivers and more shivers. First listen of Ludwig's Tune, involuntary urge to hug and kiss my grand piano. First listen of Slouching Toward Bethlehem, sheer poetic and musical ecstasy merged into one. First listen of Korinna, Korinna, extreme fulfillment of my love of the blues. First listen of Turbulent Indigo, the only time I ever said "Way Bitchin" in my life. First listen of Dreamland, elevated body temperature and immediate desire to hear Cotton Avenue again. And, first listen of Ethiopia, goosebumps and tears at the same time. Even though DED contains one of Joni's weirdest songs, the Science thing with Dolby, it also contains some of her finest songwriting -- Tax Free, Fiction, and Ethiopia. My little brother, the world's greatest jazz guitarist and musical expert, hates programmed drum machines, but he admitted that Joni's DED was the only time he actually liked the use of them. He's a Taurus, so it takes a lot to make him retract his most stubborn opinions. And, I can't beat him up any more, so he wasn't just saying that for self-protection. So, Mr. Don Rowe Klein Sting Keb Mo Pastorius, I'll join your battle against the naysayers. We can whack 'em with my big harp and slice 'em like a cheese! Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:47:08 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dolby but as an electronic musician >and keyboard player -- I guess I just "hear" the >finished results of DED differently. > >Not that that makes me a bad person! ;-) Hey Don, not so fast! I just picked up my copy of the ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ALL TRUTH that I keep on my desk here, looked up "electronic musician," and and was cross-referenced to "see: person, bad." But you know, some of my best friends use drum machines. Like George Clinton, Kate Bush... But then I stopped being their friends, of course. In fact, last time I saw George I hit him with my handbag! At least I thought it was George... he was wearing a blonde wig, at least.... - --gotta go, Bruce M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:29:05 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) The Hissing of Summer-eth Lawns Now THERE'S a bad album title! Phyliss, LOL! Deb Messling wrote: > Check this out: > > http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://216.247.66.89/lyrics/index.cfm > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:45:55 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: RE: Joni at Rosemont This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------F563445BE9DF3EB45B9087DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >As Mary >mentioned, >> Unfortunately, the sound system was as "harsh" as the published review sent to the list >> yesterday said it was, and it pitted Joni against the orchestra on a couple of occasions. Once, >> there even seemed to be some substantial feedback while she was singing. >> >Vince, Laura and I were in the 1st row balcony and the sound was crystal >clear. Mary, I'm sorry that you heard the harshness. What a great >report of the concert!! I didn't think the sound was harsh at all. I did take notice early on that Joni's voice was very well balanced with the orchestra. I thought that they had learned their lessons from earlier shows. However, during Ludwig's Tune--the orchestra did overwhelm her a couple of times. I attribute that to the arrangement (becuz she was singing her heart out) combined with my not knowing the lyrics. I had no problem hearing every word of Hejira or FTR or Trouble Man in that second set. As for the spotlight, I had already admitted that while I didn't see it, it was probably becuz I was watching JM so closely as she walked off the stage. Howard M - --------------F563445BE9DF3EB45B9087DC Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Howard Motyl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="howard_scptv.vcf" begin:vcard n:Motyl;Howard tel;fax:312-421-7714 tel;work:312-421-7711 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SCPtv Worldwide adr:;;400 N. May St., Suite 201;Chicago;Illinois;60622;USA version:2.1 email;internet:howard_scptv@interaccess.com title:Director, Creative Development note:"Any time you have the opportunity to accomplish something for those coming behind you and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;3 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------F563445BE9DF3EB45B9087DC-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:01:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) - --- Deb Messling wrote: > Check this out: > > > http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://216.247.66.89/lyrics/index.cfm Does this mean that WWJD now stands for "What Would Joni Do?" Brian np: Turbulent Indigo (Vincent Van Gogh was the subject of this morning's A&E Classroom. It seems he shot hmself with a pistol, yet Joni talks about a shotgun in the lyrics) ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 10:00:26 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: RE: Nancy Wilson cover of ACOY This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------A7BE5B8E0862550891264B48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, so I get the covers and I see Nancy Wilson is the first song on one of them and I say Cool, Nancy Wilson. And I put it on and I'm thinking, this gal sounds awfully white but then I think, maybe I don't know Nancy's voice as well as I thought I did. Then, when the CD's over, I put it on again and there's that wierd Nancy Wilson again. She sounds really really white, I think. On the third play, it finally hits me--Oh, Nancy Wilson from Heart Nancy Wilson--not Nancy Wilson the smoky chanteuse. No wonder it sounded so white. Howard M - --------------A7BE5B8E0862550891264B48 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Howard Motyl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="howard_scptv.vcf" begin:vcard n:Motyl;Howard tel;fax:312-421-7714 tel;work:312-421-7711 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SCPtv Worldwide adr:;;400 N. May St., Suite 201;Chicago;Illinois;60622;USA version:2.1 email;internet:howard_scptv@interaccess.com title:Director, Creative Development note:"Any time you have the opportunity to accomplish something for those coming behind you and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;3 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------A7BE5B8E0862550891264B48-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:37:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: HDCD? - --- RandyRemote wrote: > The STAS album will probably have the biggest > difference in sound > quality-the remaster was far superior to the first > issue. Also, the > original CD issue of Court and Spark sounded bad, > the HDCD is > much better Are all of Joni's albums available in this format? Some of them say they're "remastered" but I'm not sure if this is the same as HDCD. I think this has been discussed on list before so, sorry if anyone is bored (you know where your delete button is, so move on!). It seems there was some question over CDs *claiming* to be HDCD and not really being them as it turned out once the buyer had opened the package. If a CD has been "remastered", does it necessarily follow that it is also HDCD, or should it clearly say HDCD somewhere on the package? ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:53:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: HDCD? My. You want straight answers from Recording and Producing Companies???? A remaster does not necessarily involve HDCD. It means the digital recording was taken from the original master tapes, which could have been analog or digital to begin with. Crappy cd recordings are copied from the analog recordings that were distributed, but not from the masters. HDCD is a process used to improve the remastering. Proponents claim is makes for a more natural and less harsh recording. Many cd players can't decode it, but my DSVD player can. For the life of me, I can't hear a discernable difference. But as long as it doesn't add to the cost of the cd, it makes little matter to me. Jerry On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- RandyRemote wrote: > > The STAS album will probably have the biggest > > difference in sound > > quality-the remaster was far superior to the first > > issue. Also, the > > original CD issue of Court and Spark sounded bad, > > the HDCD is > > much better > > Are all of Joni's albums available in this format? > Some of them say they're "remastered" but I'm not sure > if this is the same as HDCD. I think this has been > discussed on list before so, sorry if anyone is bored > (you know where your delete button is, so move on!). > It seems there was some question over CDs *claiming* > to be HDCD and not really being them as it turned out > once the buyer had opened the package. If a CD has > been "remastered", does it necessarily follow that it > is also HDCD, or should it clearly say HDCD somewhere > on the package? > > ===== > Catherine (in Toronto) > catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:58:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's Roots Are Showing - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > BTW, she's a natural blonde so she can _not_ be > referring to her hair! > > > In Jim Savage's section of JJ's recent posting on > Wally's page, JS said, > > "Interesting, Joni talked about her being away from > home for some time now > and that her "roots" were showing. At first I was > looking for the hidden > meaning in this comment, but could she have just > been making a candid > comment about her hair? Looked fine to me." The reason blondes have more fun (damn them!) is that they don't go grey as quickly or as noticeably as us dark-haired types. I read something recently about this, and it makes sense (to a point). We all have dark, red and blonde (light) pigments in our hair. Which pigments we have more of, determines the colour of our hair. And, the darker the pigment, the sooner it is to fade to grey. Therefore, dark-haired people tend to show the grey sooner, redheads next, and finally blondes. So goes the logic. On the other hand, genes play a major role in this as well. I've mentioned before that my husband, who is older than me, and whose hair is darker than mine, has very little grey in his hair, whereas mine, if not for the help of the Clairol company, would probably be at least 40% yukky mouse-grey (but I don't have the courage to find out for sure!) So Joni is doubly blessed in having great cheekbones, and being a blonde. Curse you, Joni Mitchell, curse you for having the nerve to be so <> beautiful... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:02:15 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: HOSL: city, jungle, suburb Last week I suggested that the most important theme that rendered Hissing a "total work" was the chronology within, the way that the songs were positioned in sequence on the arc of life. (Since then someone described how her current show is also structured as a chronology, in this case the chronology of a generic love affair. But they were not enjoying how explicit and didactic she was in guiding her audience along the chronology...) Now I would submit that the second most important theme, and the one that indicates why it is "graphically" a "total work" is the theme that she puts before us when we first pick up this creation of hers: the triangle of city, jungle, suburb-- a triangle which is both a matter of location and culture. On the cover we find: the city in the background, and a jungle scene (with snake) in the foreground. It's an implausible dualism. (Someone from Tasmania suggested that the city was growing out of the jungle, which might make sense from a Tasmanian perspective. But while cities grow out of the jungle in Asia and South American and Africa, they do not do so in North America, Joni's part of the world.) On the back is an affluent suburban enclave, a little island of wealth. This is not located within the jungle (in North America), but nonetheless located within the green of nature, and so is a kind of intermediary place between the undeveloped and the urban. When we listen to Hissing, we find out (as the curious title has already hinted) that the dualism which the cover present us with, is not as acute as we supposed: Firstly, the jungle and the snake are in the city-- in a metaphoric sense. The disruptive "Jungle Line" is about stumbling upon the jungle and snake in the city. Within the arc of life that Joni sets out, it pertains to initial adulthood: Hitting urban adulthood hard, the innocent girl (from the Canadian plains) stumbling down into the bohemian urban jungly nether-world, a world of primitive predation and primitive, addictive self-destruction. The underlying jungle drums signal a musical and lyrical disruption of the happier days of "In France." Now you suddenly realize that this isn't Court and Spark, Pt. II. "I don't think we're in Alberta anymore, Toto!" Secondly, the snake is in the suburbs: the lawns are hissing. The idyllic enclave turns out to be the site of a troubled marriage, the tense, materialist, "fading," suburban circumstance... Joni presents marriage as essentially a matter of materialism and possession (esp. the possession of the wife). In sum, a bad outcome, exchanging youthful unmarried romance for mere things. The question remains, has Joni made it to her idyllic suburban Southern California enclave and successfully escaped the snake? Well, she isn't married, is she? She's still pursuing the busy romances of the unencumbered celebrity. We find her in her suburban pool, but lolling about in her bikini, outside of marriage, still "shining" like the gorgeous erotic apparition that Harry determined to reel in when he saw her emerging from the pool. Nonetheless, she can hear the lawns hissing. So, are these her neighbor's lawns, our her own? Bruce Merrill PS One of the great strengths of this album lies in Joni's ability to move from the observed, generic, third person view to the autobiographical, and back again. The more or less autobiographical songs in Hissing being: In France (yes?), the Boho Dance, Sweet Bird (most autobiographical and most liked, I believe), Shadows and Light. I'm sure this back and forth is also in evidence in the manner in which she approaches her current show. It's a measure of her surprising intelligence. Go Joni go! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:10:11 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Nancy Wilson cover of ACOY The exact same thing happened with me, Howard. I was scratching my head for a few spins. When the light finally went on, I had a good laugh. :-) "Boston Jim" >On the third play, it finally hits me--Oh, Nancy Wilson from Heart Nancy >Wilson--not Nancy Wilson the smoky chanteuse. > > Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:57:14 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Carla Helmbrecht Hi Kakki! If you haven't found the Carla Helmbrecht cover of STAS, let me know, as I just found a copy and will order it! Stephen (wondering who Carla Helmbrecht is and how he got into "gauntlet tossing") NP: Happiness Is The Best Facelift (TTT) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:03:52 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Early Joni Info Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 18:28:06 -0700 From: susan+rick This got sent earlier today by mistake before it was ready to go. P. Henry posted a few days ago: > while we're on the subject of Joni's early > history there's a question I'd like to throw out > there to complete some info I'd like to find out. > most of us are aware that Chuck and Joni met in a > Toronto coffeehouse and then married... but > probably few of us are aware of how unique that > coffehouse was. it was actually two clubs, one > upstairs and one down... one for Canadian > performers, one for American. the only other info > I have is that I know one of the clubs was called > the Riverboat. is there anyone out there who > knows: 1) what the name of the other club was, 2) > which (Can/US) was up and which was down and 3) > which was named what? The Toronto coffeehouse scene in the late 60's revolved around the Yorkville district, the remnants of a village swallowed up by Toronto's expansion. Most of the houses were beautiful Victorians and the several blocks surrounding Yorkville Avenue made up a funky oasis just north of the highrise downtown Yonge and Bloor district. There were, at one time, over forty clubs and coffeehouses in Yorkville, all cheek by jowl, with live music every night. Young people hung out on the streets all night long--Toronto's unofficial Hippie District. Joni first got work in 1964 at the Penny Farthing, where she met Chuck. The Penny Farthing was at street level but I don't remember it being right above the Riverboat which was a narrow, long basement room. The Riverboat, managed by Bernie Fiedler, did feature a lot of big-name American acts (I saw Tom Rush there twice) but also booked big Canadian acts like Gordon Lightfoot and Murray McLaughlin. Others who played regularly in Yorkville were Neil Young (and the Mynah Birds), Gordon Lightfoot, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Ian and Sylvia, Denny Doherty, Phil Ochs, and The Sparrows who eventually became Steppenwolf, along with dozens of other well-known acts. (The Yonge Street club strip was the stomping grounds of Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks who went on to become The Band.) Yorkville started to fall apart as a good place to hang out by 1969, overrun by drugs and "bad vibes". Gentrification started soon after that and Yorkville eventually became an upscale shopping district. Anyone interested in more detail should pick up a book called "Before the Gold Rush: Flashbacks to the Dawn of the Canadian Sound" by Nicholas Jennings (published by Viking). All good things Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:15:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL: city, jungle, suburb <> Very nice piece, Bruce...and as a footnote, I'd add that the Rolling Stone take of HOSL pops up every now & then...in the LATEST issue, the one that has the "Hall of Fame" review of C&S that Ric so industrially reproduced for us, they state "Further Listening" as: Blue***** For The Roses****1/2 HOSL**** so apparently they've had a change of heart and have recognized it as the masterwork that it is. Funny, RS makes no mention of Hejira OR DED! ;~D Bob NP: The Band, "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" (Last Waltz) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:26:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: [none] Toronto's Globe and Mail has a big Joni section today on the upcoming Mendel art exhibit. The print version has a lot of coloured pictures of some of Joni's work, including her Turbulent Indigo van Gogh Joni. The net version is text only. To read it, go here: http://www.globeandmail.ca/gam/Arts/20000608/RVJONI.html ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:48:31 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) > >--- Deb Messling wrote: >> Check this out: >> >> >> http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://216.247.66.89/lyrics/index.cfm oh my god this is funny! i had to type in some other websites, it was so great. i also took the spark.com death test, which you can do from that site. it is definately worth the laugh. the questions are great. apparently, i am going to die on april 21, 2041. brian wrote: >Does this mean that WWJD now stands for "What Would Joni Do?" here in mormon land, phrases like "what would jesus do?" are actually muttered in sincerity. i love that, brian. my new mantra is definately "what would joni do?" a little punch drunk on an almost-friday... alison e. in slc. np: tracy chapman "telling stories" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:57:32 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #317 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:01:35 -0400 From: vivienne j wildes I bought tix on line and received poor seating. I met someone at the concert who bought fifth row center one week before the show and another who had 4th row center and bought her tickets only two weeks before the show. I bought my on-line tix two days after they went on sale, so I figured it was a sold out show. My recommendation: call - -------------------------- Vivienne J. Wildes PhD Candidate Hotel, Restaurant and Institutional MGMT Penn State University University Park, PA 16802 email: vwildes@psu.edu phone: (814) 238-3447 865-1851 fax: (814) 238-8424 - ----------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:04:26 -0700 (PDT) From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Circle Game Vince, I've confirmed that Buffy Ste. Marie performed "The Circle Game" in the soundtrack of the film, "The Strawberry Statement." Mystery solved. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: A Joni Moment A Fed-Ex Priority Package arrives at my office. The package is not addressed to anyone in particular. The secretary opens the box and finds a Robert Goulet LP. Which employee would be ordering vinyl and of all people, Robert Goulet? Well, I was found out and I skulked to the front office, head hung in shame. To my defense I stated, defiantly, "It contains a cover of a Joni Mitchell song, and the album is even named, 'Both Sides Now,' don't you get it?" Now that I've explained the Joni Mitchell covers project to Karell and Leslie G., they both want in on the action. Spreading the gospel of Joni. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:42:38 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: BAD DAN REVIEW Steely Dan: Pros playing bum music By Craig Marine OF THE EXAMINER STAFF June 7, 2000 Who is this idiot Craig Marine anyway? Wonder what kind of music he likes.....maybe the Eagles or U2 or worse.. For my middle-aged money, Steely Dan represents the best of the best, in terms of songwriting ability and production chops. One of the few bands to genre bend and apply jazz harmonies to pop music in an interesting, albeit sardonic, way. Maybe he just doesn't get it. DF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:46:26 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: METHENY ON KENNY G No kidding?.....have to check it out, thats great, good for Pat. Kenny G. is a shameless no-playin mook!!! Dave F. Baltimore ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:46:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Joni Moment <> Amen, Sistah Lelie...Preach on! And bring on the Goulet! It's gotta be better than the Jim "Gomer" Nabors version...my golly, I think Courtney KNEW she was torturing the song, but Jim think's he's doing a GOOD job, which makes it ten times worse! Bob NP: Bob D, The Band, Joni, etc, "I Shall Be Released" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:10:42 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Early Joni Info Please (re-sent) Rick expounded: P. Henry posted a few days ago: > while we're on the subject of Joni's early > history there's a question I'd like to throw out > there to complete some info I'd like to find out. > most of us are aware that Chuck and Joni met in a > Toronto coffeehouse and then married... but > probably few of us are aware of how unique that > coffeehouse was. It was actually two clubs, one > upstairs and one down... one for Canadian > performers, one for American. The only other info > I have is that I know one of the clubs was called > the Riverboat. Is there anyone out there who > knows: 1) what the name of the other club was, 2) > which (Can/US) was up and which was down and 3) > which was named what? >The Toronto coffeehouse scene in the late 60's revolved around the Yorkville district, the remnants of a village swallowed up by Toronto's expansion. Most of the houses were beautiful Victorians and the several blocks surrounding Yorkville Avenue made up a funky oasis just north of the highrise downtown Yonge and Bloor district. There were, at one time, over forty clubs and coffeehouses in Yorkville, all cheek by jowl, with live music every night. Young people hung out on the streets all night long--Toronto's unofficial Hippie District. Joni first got work in 1964 at the Penny Farthing, where she met Chuck. The Penny Farthing was at street level but I don't remember it being right above the Riverboat which was a narrow, long basement room. The Riverboat, managed by Bernie Fiedler, did feature a lot of big-name American acts (I saw Tom Rush there twice) but also booked big Canadian acts like Gordon Lightfoot and Murray McLaughlin. Others who played regularly in Yorkville were Neil Young (and the Mynah Birds), Gordon Lightfoot, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Ian and Sylvia, Denny Doherty, Phil Ochs, and The Sparrows who eventually became Steppenwolf, along with dozens of other well-known acts. (The Yonge Street club strip was the stomping grounds of Ronnie Hawkins and the Hawks who went on to become The Band.) Yorkville started to fall apart as a good place to hang out by 1969, overrun by drugs and "bad vibes". Gentrification started soon after that and Yorkville eventually became an upscale shopping district. Anyone interested in more detail should pick up a book called "Before the Gold Rush: Flashbacks to the Dawn of the Canadian Sound" by Nicholas Jennings (published by Viking). All good things Rick> Rick, WOW! I couldn't have asked for a better response to my questions! Bro, you've become a boon to my life! First the pics you shared on catgirl's list and now this! Thank you a thousand times over! YES! 'Penny Farthing' IS the club! I was thinking 'Pennywhistle' just yesterday when I re- read my own post as I was screening the digests, a dim recollection peeking through... Your firsthand insight really is cool! See, in the typical promo articles and reviews Joni was giving me back then, just as 'Circle Game' and 'Urge For Going' were always bound to be mentioned, the story of the upstairs-downstairs folk clubs was also typical, at least in the longer, more detailed articles, the impression being given, probably gleaned from either Chuck or Joni in interview, that both clubs were under the same management and one, at least primarily for Canadian acts and one, as I said, more likely to have American performers, so, from what you supplied, the rest of the story probably is that Chuck was playing at the Riverboat and wandered over to the PF between sets to catch Joni's sets and the rest, as they always like to say, is history... I'd also like to say that this is extremely well written... Mr. Jennings should've had you as a contributor! Thanks again. :o) pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:15:29 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: HDCD? Catherine McKay wrote: Are all of Joni's albums available in this format? I don't know Some of them say they're "remastered" but I'm not sure if this is the same as HDCD. It's not the same, HDCD is a special process, however, they may have used HDCD for all of Joni's remasters, again, I don't know, but HDCD's will have a little logo on the back of the CD case, and on the CD itself. It seems there was some question over CDs *claiming* once the buyer had opened the package. There were reports of that on the list previously. If I remember right, they were all from Europe or UK. The package had the logo, but the CD inside didn't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:28:03 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Wow! Great article! Thanks Catherine! Catherine McKay wrote: > Toronto's Globe and Mail has a big Joni section today > on the upcoming Mendel art exhibit. The print version > has a lot of coloured pictures of some of Joni's work, > including her Turbulent Indigo van Gogh Joni. The net > version is text only. > > To read it, go here: > > http://www.globeandmail.ca/gam/Arts/20000608/RVJONI.html > > ===== > Catherine (in Toronto) > catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:45:51 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) glory!!!!!!!!!! this is unbelievable!!!!!!! deb how did you come across this gem?!?!?!?! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:59:53 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Carla Helmbrecht > If you haven't found the Carla Helmbrecht cover of STAS, let >me know, as I just found a copy and will order it! Wow! A low bow of gratitude and a big WHOO HOO to my east coast teammate Stephen!! ;-D Thank you! I have no idea who she is but hope it is the Joni STAS and not a false alarm. If it is, I'll repay you double ;-) Kakki NP: CSNY live at Staples Center 2/00 - Down By The River ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:14:15 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: A Joni Moment (VLJC) Leslie writes: << Which employee would be ordering vinyl and of all people, Robert Goulet? Well, I was found out and I skulked to the front office, head hung in shame. To my defense I stated, defiantly, "It contains a cover of a Joni Mitchell song, and the album is even named, 'Both Sides Now,' don't you get it?" >> Try explaining to your mail clerk who has just opened up a Jim Nabors CD which was mailed to your office. I'm still getting hounded for that one, and telling everyone about the Joni covers project didn't even help. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:16:54 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: RE: the hissing lawns This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------00BCBEDA8C85E5B55625DF0E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce said: >The question remains, has Joni made it to her idyllic suburban Southern >California enclave and successfully escaped the snake? Is Bel Air really considered the suburbs of LA? It's so hard to tell out there but it all seems like one big sprawling city out there. (Until you get into the valley, of course, then you know you're somewhere different.) 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Kakki NP: CSNY at Staples - Keep on Rockin' in the Free World ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:30:30 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: RE: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) My favorite, from Whale and Spark: Gas-chariot Upon A Hill by Joni Mitchell - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I've beenst sitting unto waiting for mine sugar to showest I've beenst listening to the sirens and the radio He did say he'd be over three hours ago I've beenst waiting for his gas-chariot upon the hill He makest followers godly He's not like me I watch for judgement anxiously Now wither in the city can that boy be Waiting for a gas-chariot Climbing Climbing Climbing the hill He's a real righteous talker I thinkest he's follower Fast tires cometh screaming around the bend But there's still no buzzer Satan roll upon And I'm waiting for his car on the hill It as a show of faith seemest so righteous at the start Whenneth there's so much laughter Whenneth tither's so much spark Whenneth tither's so much sweetness in the dark Waiting for a gas-chariot Climbing Climbing Climbing the hill - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:47:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) > > > >--- Deb Messling wrote: > >> Check this out: http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://216.247.66.89/lyrics/index.cfm > - -- Alison Einerson wrote: > oh my god this is funny! i had to type in some other > websites, it was so > great. > i also took the spark.com death test, which you can > do from that site. it is > definately worth the laugh. the questions are great. > apparently, i am going > to die on april 21, 2041. I would like to have a job where they pay you to act silly and have fun all day. Wouldn't that be great? I've tried the death test too. According to it, I'm already dead. That would explain a few things... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:58:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni, Globe and Mail - --- Phyliss Ward wrote: > Wow! Great article! Thanks Catherine! > [....] > > > > To read it, go here: > > > > > http://www.globeandmail.ca/gam/Arts/20000608/RVJONI.html I can't believe I mentioned this first before some of the more eagle-eyed listers! I'm usually way behind with this kind of thing - I usually don't find out about stuff like this until it's too late to get me a copy. But one of my co-workers happened to have the Globe, came into my office and said, "Catherine, you like Joni Mitchell, don't you?" (Is the Pope Catholic? etc). So my thanks to Annabelle who gave me her section of the paper - I didn't even have to buy my own! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:58:01 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: BSN Review Hello All- Found this in the current OffBeat Music Magazine June 2000 issue and thought I would pass it on for your info. The reviewer seems to be somewhat of a fan, but may be a little confused on a couple of issues. I guess not everyone can be the authority that most of you are, on the subject of SIQUOMB. Michael Joni Mitchell Both Sides Now (Warner Brothers) Joni Mitchell is no stranger to the jazz world, forging alliances with the likes of Charles Mingus, Jaco Pastorius, Herbie Hancock, and Wayne Shorter, and also incorporating elements of jazz into some of her more interesting recordings. Her new record Both Sides Now is another foray into the jazz area, though different from her previous attempts with the records Mingus and The Hissing of Summer Lawns. With Both Sides Now, Mitchell the stellar singer, as opposed to the brilliant songwriter and capable composer, tackles smoky standards such as "At Last," "Sometimes I'm Happy," and "Stormy Weather" using rich pop arrangements. She is clearly trying to draw attention to her skill as a vocalist and she demonstrates a true commitment to the lyrics contained in each song. Inspiration from singers like Billy Holiday, Nina Simone, and Billy Eckstine are clear throughout the record. Two of Mitchell's own songs are also revived on Bothe Sides Now----"A Case of You" and the title track. The results are impressive. Mitchell reveals herself to be a mature performer, able to revive and reinvent even her own music into something appealing and attractive for the new century. Even fans of Mitchell's earlier, less jazz-influenced records like Blue or Court and Spark will not find Both Sides Now to be an adventurous and enjoyable record well-in-line with Mitchell's commitment to making incredible music. - ---Danielle Bias ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:19:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni gets religion (extremely silly content) - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > I've tried the death test too. According to it, I'm > already dead. That would explain a few things... It also confirms a sneaking suspicion I've been nursing for some time now ... ;-) Rest in peace. Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Uncloaked Jimmy wrote: "Try explaining to your mail clerk who has just opened up a Jim Nabors CD which was mailed to your office. I'm still getting hounded for that one, and telling everyone about the Joni covers project didn't even help." You've got one over on me, Jimmy. At least Karell's mother and Leslie G.'s mother like Robert Goulet! And, they're both Joni fans... I can never forget Goulet at Lancelot in Camelot... "If ever I should leave youuuuuuuu" Steve and I are headed to San Francisco this weekend to spend time with Jim Johanson. We'll be sure to stop at a couple of used LP shops to hunt for more covers. Anything in particular I should look for, Bob? Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:12:12 +0100 From: "Steve Mitchell" Subject: Re: Circle Game leslie@torchsongs.com asked: > Was "The Circle Game" ever included in a movie soundtrack > (we're not talking television). > > Please let me know. I seem to remember hearing it as the closing credits music with a load of kids on a stage but can't for the life of me remember what the film was called! - --Stevie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:23:53 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Audra McDonald on Joni Mitchell Audra McDonald, in case you haven't heard of her, is a great young new Broadway singer who has appeared in Carousel, Ragtime and Callas and the recent television version of Annie and has a couple of CD's I like a lot. She has an interesting voice which kind of connects a soprano or falsetto range and a pop range, much the way Joni Mitchell did in her early years (though the timbres of the two voices are quite different). In an interview in this week's TIME OUT magazine (a New York entertainment guide) the interviewer asks: Time Out: Are there any songs out there that you're dying to sing? Audra McDonald: ....I've..been getting into Joni Mitchell lately. Kathy Bates gave me a book of her lyrics as a gift during Annie. It is poetry. Her latest recording of "Both Sides Now" with all those strings and that voice - wow! Her voice has gotten so deep and rich. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:49:43 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: BSN songs older than I thought, etc A lot of articles have referred to the songs on BSN as having come out of the forties and fifties, but I just noticed that five of the songs are from the thirties and one from the twenties. Also, I've been seeking out earlier versions of some of the songs, for example Billie Holiday's You've Changed and Lena Horne's Stormy Weather, and Y ou're My Thrill. It's an interesting comparison. The incredibleness of Joni's versions is even more apparent. These are no mere copies or homages but entirely new near-reinventions of the songs in a pop/jazz/symphonic vocabulary that I can't find any precedent for. Another interesting comparison: Try playing A Case of You original version followed immediately by the BSN version and be further amazed by what she and Mendoza have created. How those simple strummings have been expanded into a palette of gorgeous colors and dynamic rhythms. I played the two versions for a co-worker who has fallen in love with BSN without knowing any of Joni's earlier albums and for her there was no contest - she felt the new version had much more emotional depth. I have to agree. The more I get into this album the more I realize what a masterpiece it is. Amazing that my initial reaction was that it was "dull". ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #238 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?