From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #237 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, June 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 237 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: El Bwyd ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: The JM Companion: Four Decades Of Commentary ["Helen M. Adcock" ] camden show [Deb Messling ] Re: The JM Companion: Four Decades Of Commentary ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: El Bwyd [Tejas4x4@aol.com] Re: DED (Don's dander is officially UP) ["P. Henry" ] Re: Dog Eat Dolby [Don Rowe ] El Bwyd [Michael Bird ] question: painting w/ words & music [Michael Bird ] Re: Dog Eat Dolby (corrections ...) [Don Rowe ] Re: Dog Eat Dolby [RandyRemote ] Re: Early Joni info please, Pat [susan+rick ] Re: mermaid cafe [Catherine McKay ] Re: Detroit Show [Catherine McKay ] Re: Dog Eat Dolby [B Merrill ] Re: question: painting w/ words & music [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Dog Eat Dolby [Don Rowe ] Nancy Wilson cover A Case Of You [Bounced Message ] Re: El Bwyd ["Kakki" ] Re: Nancy Wilson cover A Case Of You [Jerry Notaro ] Re: HDCD? [RandyRemote ] 5/28/00 Concert in Boston ["Marilyn Huggins" ] Re: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Dog Eat Dolby [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy ["Kate Bennett" (by ] Re: El Bwyd [Mark Domyancich ] no digests [Howard Motyl ] Joni's Roots Are Showing ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni's Roots Are Showing [MGVal@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 05:00:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: El Bwyd synchro! synchro! synchro! i had just opened my mail to ask the same question!!!! my guess is that it has to be someone whose name is L. Bryd or L. Blyd [dweem=dream, fwy=fly], though i've always thought it was jack nicholson, don't ask me why. and then, did ms.bobbye hall die? she's credited "in spirit". [michael paz would say "spirit my ass!!!!" as he so salaciously did when he replied my post a few weeks ago! kakki: michael's bites are worse than a rattlesnake's...] wallyk, so impressed by jimmy's good looks. folks, DO ADMIT! > I've always wondered who's El Bwyd, credited in Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > as the split-tongued spirit. Any idea? > Raffaele (London) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:40:10 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: The JM Companion: Four Decades Of Commentary Jim wrote: >Speaking of pics, did you catch the one on Page 169? It's of Bonnie Raitt on >stage with Rickie Lee Jones, but the caption says Rickie Lee is Joni!!! They >look a *little* bit alike, particularly in this picture, but I can't imagine >this having gotten past Stacy Luftig or whomever. I'll be Joni *loves* >it...not!!! :-) In Stacey's defence (before she does it herself!) apparently she didn't have a "final say" or rather a final look before the book went to print, so the text accompanying the photos wasn't checked thoroughly, at least it wasn't by her. They even misspelled her name on the cover - she spells it with an E! It's still one of the best sources of information I've read, though (in print, that is - I'm not counting www.jmdl.com or www.jonimitchell.com) ;o) Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:48:43 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Detroit Show Nikki wrote: >What happened at the Detroit show? Sorry if this was talked about before I >just joined last week. I'll jump in with what I think is the right answer, even though I wasn't there! Joni's plane was held up at the airport, and she was an hour or so late to the show. There was also a "noise ordinance" at the theatre, which says that all shows must finish at 11pm, otherwise the artist must pay an additional $1000 a minute! Pretty steep, and Joni didn't get to finish her entire set, and still went 5 minutes over - another $5000! Apparently Joni tried as best she could to fit it all in - even shortening the intermission, but from some of the reviews on the website, people were pretty unforgiving (not the jimdlers, obviously)! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 07:08:57 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: camden show Does anyone know what orchestra that was playing with Joni in Camden? For that matter, is there a listing anywhere of all the orchestras? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 07:24:27 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: The JM Companion: Four Decades Of Commentary > Jim wrote: > > >I can't imagine this having gotten past Stacy Luftig or whomever. I'll bet Joni *loves* it...not!!! :-) > > Hell wrote: > In Stacey's defence (before she does it herself!) apparently she didn't have > a "final say" or rather a final look before the book went to print, so the > text accompanying the photos wasn't checked thoroughly, at least it wasn't > by her. They even misspelled her name on the cover - she spells it with an > E! > I'm sorry, Hell (and Stacey). I really didn't intend that comment as a personal dig, and should have left Stacey's name out of it. (Notice I also said "whomever.") Having done a little writing myself (CD Review magazine) I'm well aware of the trials and tribulations of the publishing biz as pertains the caring individual. I stopped writing precisely because I couldn't take it when my work was often slaughtered by people less knowledgeable on the subject at hand. It's truly a wonderful book! I feel badly for Stacey that minor imperfections were imposed on it by others. Creators should always be allowed to proof and approve their works, imho, and such is all too often not the case. "Boston Jim" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 04:30:31 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: DED (Don's dander is officially UP) >...Long live Dog Eat Dog ... a jewel in Joni's crown! God I feel better! ;-) Don Rowe> ROFLMFAO!!! absolutely the BEST belly laugh I've had since joining this list!!! GO DON!!! pat ps - that's "Rolling On (the) Floor, Laughing My F**king Ass Off" for the chat-impaired. LoL!!! Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 07:37:30 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: DED (Don's dander is officially UP) In a message dated 6/7/00 7:35:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << >...Long live Dog Eat Dog ... a jewel in Joni's crown! God I feel better! ;-) Don Rowe> >> You want my copy? It's only got a little bit of puke on it. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:02:25 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni vocals with Daryl Hall <> Say no more, Raff! Westward Ho with that tune! We're rolling on ahead with Volume SIX!! Whoo-Hoo! And a big tip of the beret to the lovely & generous Leslie who's sending me enough cheese to round out Disc 4 (The Tokens, Anne Murray, Robert Goulet)...so very soon we will be able to tree up Volumes 3/4/5! Covers rule! :~) Bob NP: Tori, "Northern Lad" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:18:25 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Dog Eat Dolby Following in the wake of these recent DED-HEDS, I just listened to DED,... for the first time I think... For starters: GREAT COVER!! "Howlin' Joni! Going to the Dogs. Screaming Jay Joni! Bow wow wow! (I'm talking about my real big vinyl cover...) I think this is my fave presentation of Joni by Joni. But inside... it's not so screamin'. It turns out to be: Joni does Techno Pop. The biggest input is Thomas Dolby? Now the first problem with techno pop (speaking as an old Keith Moon /Mitch Mitchell fan) is... boring drumming. Or should I say "drumming," since there's so much sampling. Boring as opposed to the dynamics and imagination of a real live wizard of a drummer. (Why didn't she invite her brother Mitch?) What rises quickly to the top is "Ethiopia." Or should I say " 'Theo-Pia"? Especially for those sounds, all kinds of sounds, that are put into the background. And the subject matter. Hmmm, if she was going to go techno pop, maybe she should have linked up with somebody punchier, like Wang Chung circa "To Live and Die in L.A"-- which is already a very Joni kind of a title, no? Bruce M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:00:26 EDT From: Tejas4x4@aol.com Subject: Re: El Bwyd I think El Bwyd is Boyd Elder, an artist friend of Joni's from Valentine,TX. He was around during the recording sessions of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. He is the split tongue spirit voice (on tequila) I do know that. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 06:24:12 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: DED (Don's dander is officially UP) >You want my copy? It's only got a little bit of puke on it. Paul I> ...it's about hard, selfish hearts... ain't it da trut?! ;o) DED On prime time crime the victim begs Money is the road to justice And power walks it on crooked legs Prime--Time--Crime Holy hope in the hands of Snakebite evangelists and racketeers And big wig financiers Where the wealth's displayed Thieves and sycophants parade And where it's made-- the slaves will be taken Some are treated well In these games of buy and sell And some like poor beast Are burdened down to breaking DOG EAT DOG It's dog eat dog, ain't it Flim Flam man Dog eat dog, you can lie, cheat, skim, scam Beat'em any way you can Dog eat Dog You'll do well in this land of Snakebite evangelists and racketeers You could get to be A big wig financier Land of snap decisions Land of short attention spans Nothing is savored Long enough to really understand In every culture in decline The watchful ones among the slaves Know all that is genuine will be Scorned and conned and cast away Dog eat dog People looking, seeing nothing Dog eat dog People listening, hearing nothing Dog eat dog People lusting, loving nothing Dog eat dog People stroking, touching nothing Dog eat dog Knowing nothing Dog eat dog cheers. pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:13:45 -0400 From: Sally Pont Subject: re:el bwyd I thought El Bwyd was Tom Waits. Sally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 07:21:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dolby - --- B Merrill wrote: Now the > first problem with techno > pop (speaking as an old Keith Moon /Mitch Mitchell > fan) is... boring > drumming. Or should I say "drumming," since there's > so much sampling. > Boring as opposed to the dynamics and imagination of > a real live wizard of > a drummer. Let's analyze this comment a bit, in light of DED's musician credits: Vinnie Colaiuta -- Drums and Drum Samples Alex Acuna -- Bata (on "Impossible Dreamer") Now you can color me percussion-challenged if you like, but Vinnie C. is undeniably one of the MOST imaginative drum wizards around -- there isn't anybody who's anybody who hasn't used his services extensively. And Alex Acuna's no bargain-basment percussionist in anybody's book that I've read either. So that must leave us with the pesky "Drum Samples" issue. But that point is moot as well ... you see, there are two ways you can use samples in composing. One: You program, or "sequence" the samples in place of "real" drums. That gets you the Depeche Mode/Yaz/Eurhythmics/OMD sound. The drumming on DED doesn't sound anything like that, and here's why: Two: You use the drum samples to "fatten" the acoustic drums, which are played live. This is done by attaching electronic sensors to the drums and symbols on the "live" kit. They're called 'triggers, and as Vinnie C. drums the part, the 'triggers' send the signals to a tone generator -- in DED's case, probably the FairLight CMI -- which "doubles" each live sound with samples. Result -- the feeling and imagination of "live" drumming with an electronic texture that better reinforces the use of other synthesizers in the arrangement. That's what DED sounds like ... Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:30:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Bird Subject: El Bwyd Raffaele wrote: >I've always wondered who's El Bwyd, credited in Don Juan's >Reckless Daughter >as the split-tongued spirit. Any idea? >Raffaele (London) The Nickel Chief is curious about this one too. Nickel Chief ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:34:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Bird Subject: question: painting w/ words & music Apologies if this is a topic already covered in the past, but it's another burning question ... On the videotape box I have of PWWAM, one of the song titles is given as "Comes Love/Nothing Can Be Done." In performance, she sings "Comes Love" alone -- and no sign of NCBD being edited out. Was that a planned "medley" gone awry? An artwork mistake? It would be interesting to hear those two done together ... on BSN, during "Comes Love," the line "nothing can be done" does bring me back to similar phrasing on NRH ... Nickel Chief ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:41:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dolby (corrections ...) > This is done by > attaching electronic sensors to the drums and > symbols > on the "live" kit. Okay, okay -- so maybe you CAN color me percussion-challenged afterall -- even though I know damned well that ought to be "cymbals". Christ, is that the pitter-patter on Inner Circle feet I hear coming my way? ;-) Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:35:17 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dolby Don Rowe wrote: > there are two ways you can use samples in composing. > > One: You program, or "sequence" the samples in place > of "real" drums. That gets you the Depeche > Mode/Yaz/Eurhythmics/OMD sound. The drumming on DED > doesn't sound anything like that, and here's why: > > Two: You use the drum samples to "fatten" the acoustic > drums, which are played live. This is done by > attaching electronic sensors to the drums and symbols > on the "live" kit. Or, three, you can do both. The bio section of the JM webpage says that Joni and Larry began the album on the "Fairlight and various drum machines". http:www.jonimitchell.com/Experimental.html They then brought in Thomas Dolby essentially as a technical advisor for the machines, and worked on it for seven months. Joni, Larry, and Dolby are all credited with synth/sample programming which could certainly include drums, since programming the drum patterns is usually the first step with this type of setup. I would suspect that they brought in real people later to try to get a human feel back into the tracks. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:40:20 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: Early Joni info please, Pat P. Henry posted a few days ago: > while we're on the subject of Joni's early > history there's a question I'd like to throw out > there to complete some info I'd like to find out. > most of us are aware that Chuck and Joni met in a > Toronto coffeehouse and then married... but > probably few of us are aware of how unique that > coffehouse was. it was actually two clubs, one > upstairs and one down... one for Canadian > performers, one for American. the only other info > I have is that I know one of the clubs was called > the Riverboat. is there anyone out there who > knows: 1) what the name of the other club was, 2) > which (Can/US) was up and which was down and 3) > which was named what? The Toronto coffeehouse scene in the late 60's revolved around the Yorkville district, the remnants of a village swallowed up by Toronto's expansion. Most of the houses were beautiful Victorians and the several blocks surrounding Yorkville Avenue made up a funky oasis just north of the highrise downtown Yonge and Bloor district. There were, at one time, over forty clubs and coffeehouses in Yorkville, all cheek by jowl, with live music every night. Joni first got work at the Penny Farthing, where she met Chuck. The Penny Farthing was at street level but I don't remember it being right above the Riverboat which was a narrow, long basement room. The Riverboat, managed by Bernie Fiedler, did feature a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:43:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: mermaid cafe - --- Howard wrote: > > The mermaid cafe was in Matala, on the south coast > of Crete. > > I tried to find it when I visited Matala last year, > but couldn't. We > were > looking for both the english and Greek words for > "Mermaid", but didn't > see > anything. Maybe it was taken over and renamed? > It's probably a Macdonald's now - perish the thought... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:32:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Detroit Show > Nikki wrote: > What happened at the Detroit show? > - --- "Helen M. Adcock" wrote: > I'll jump in with what I think is the right answer, > even though I wasn't > there! Joni's plane was held up at the airport, and > she was an hour or so > late to the show. There was also a "noise > ordinance" at the theatre, which > says that all shows must finish at 11pm, otherwise > the artist must pay an > additional $1000 a minute! Pretty steep, and Joni > didn't get to finish her > entire set, and still went 5 minutes over - another > $5000! > > Apparently Joni tried as best she could to fit it > all in - even shortening > the intermission, but from some of the reviews on > the website, people were > pretty unforgiving (not the jimdlers, obviously)! Joni could have gotten it all in if she had inhaled some helium and upped the tempo a whole bunch - I wonder how that would have gone over with the Detroit crowd... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 15:50:17 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dolby >Two: You use the drum samples to "fatten" the acoustic >drums, which are played live. This is done by >attaching electronic sensors to the drums and symbols >on the "live" kit. They're called 'triggers, and as >Vinnie C. drums the part, the 'triggers' send the >signals to a tone generator -- in DED's case, probably >the FairLight CMI -- which "doubles" each live sound >with samples. Result -- the feeling and imagination >of "live" drumming with an electronic texture that >better reinforces the use of other synthesizers in the >arrangement. > >That's what DED sounds like ... >Don Rowe Thanks for enlightening me, Don. (Since tone is hard to read in email, let me add that I mean this sincerely.) But from my standpoint this ideal amalgamation of yours: the feeling and imagination >of "live" drumming with an electronic texture that >better reinforces the use of other synthesizers in the >arrangement. is a contradiction in terms, and in spirit. The contradiction being: Living musicians vs canned samples. What I hear in DED is living drummers who are entrapped within a sampled rigidity. The lyric quality of the song goes out the window, and techno tedium comes in. This may be less rigid than >Depeche >Mode/Yaz/Eurhythmics/OMD et al, but where does that get you? Well, it gets you to your above ideal, but as for me "the feeling and imagination >of "live" drumming" is in jeopardy. I'd much rather listen to K Moon, Elvin Jones, Vinnie C, or John Guerin by themselves.... or bouncing off other living percussionists. Bruce M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:26:47 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: question: painting w/ words & music In a message dated 6/7/00 11:41:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mbirdny@earthlink.net writes: << On the videotape box I have of PWWAM, one of the song titles is given as "Comes Love/Nothing Can Be Done." In performance, she sings "Comes Love" alone -- and no sign of NCBD being edited out. Was that a planned "medley" gone awry? An artwork mistake? >> An artwork mistake. Much akin to the mistakes in the Poems and Lyrics Book. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:33:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dolby I'd > much rather listen to > K Moon, Elvin Jones, Vinnie C, or John Guerin by > themselves.... or bouncing > off other living percussionists. > Granted ... I suppose my point was more to Joni and Co.'s angle of approach to DED. It was a time when "real" drummers were finding work hard to get since electronic sampling had just gotten "realistic" (and I use that term VERY loosely) enough for commercial recording -- with the result that everybody had a new "toy" ... and drummer-less synth pop was all over the airwaves, charts and bottom-line sales figures. Randy made a good point ... that Joni originally wanted to use a host of what would come to be called 'worldbeat' percussion -- but was denied the opportunity. That in itself, put her about 7 years ahead of the curve -- but as an electronic musician and keyboard player -- I guess I just "hear" the finished results of DED differently. Not that that makes me a bad person! ;-) Don Rowe ===== "I do not object to others hiding from history. What I object to are others hiding history from ME." - -- Shelby Foote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 14:27:09 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Nancy Wilson cover A Case Of You From: "Nikki Johnson" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:07:55 -0400 Hi! I was looking at the covers page and I noticed one that is not on there Nancy Wilson (from Heart) does a cover of "A Case Of You" on her solo album Live At McCabe's Guitar Shop. I'm trying to remember if Ann and Nancy did it another time too...they may have...anyways I kinda saw about the covers project so if whoever is doing that needs it let me know... Take care Nikki "Ever since I was a baby girl the one thing I wanted most in this world was to keep my love alive" ~ Heart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:32:34 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: El Bwyd Tejas Frank wrote: > I think El Bwyd is Boyd Elder, an artist friend of Joni's from >Valentine,TX. He was around during the recording sessions >of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. He is the split tongue >spirit voice (on tequila) I do know that. Thanks, Frank. This is interesting and I'd like to hear more about Boyd. Sounds like he is "El Bwyd". (Anyone know if Bwyd is Boyd in Welsh? ;-) I found references in the book "California Rock, California Sound" where Joni says he helped her paint "Axilar Moonrise" (referred to as "the painting of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" in the book. In the Starart book description of the painting Joni says Axilar Moonrise "is a dramatization and expansion on a profound moment of friendship and closeness that passed between a friend and me." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 16:45:37 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Nancy Wilson cover A Case Of You Bounced Message wrote: > From: "Nikki Johnson" > Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:07:55 -0400 > > Hi! I was looking at the covers page and I noticed one that is not on there > Nancy Wilson (from Heart) does a cover of "A Case Of You" on her solo album > Live At McCabe's Guitar Shop. I'm trying to remember if Ann and Nancy did it > another time too...they may have...anyways I kinda saw about the covers > project so if whoever is doing that needs it let me know... > Take care > Nikki Nicki, Don't know where the mistake is, but her version IS on the covers project. And it is very good. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 16:00:03 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Joni at Rosemont/ Jmdlers/ SJC/ Long Fred just replied: I was sitting near the top of the theater in Chicago, dead center. There indeed was a spotlight at the end of FTR, and it wandered over the audience and then settled back on stage where Joni had been, fading out with the last note of the orchestra ... an empty spotlight. No mistake. I saw it too Howard. We couldn't all have been hallucinating that night. I guess it boils down to where you were seated. As Mary mentioned, > Unfortunately, the sound system was as "harsh" as the published review sent to the list > yesterday said it was, and it pitted Joni against the orchestra on a couple of occasions. Once, > there even seemed to be some substantial feedback while she was singing. > Vince, Laura and I were in the 1st row balcony and the sound was crystal clear. Mary, I'm sorry that you heard the harshness. What a great report of the concert!! Btw, Howard how many people does it take to make a standing O' official? I think I was the only one standing after "Judgment Of The Moon And Stars." Actually there were a few others that I noticed way up front. That Blew me away! Perhaps, I just love that song and was amazed at hearing it live! I also loved Hejira and FTR......and........ Joni was fantastic that night as were the band members and orchestra!!!!!!!!!!! There have been so many cracker jack reports of the tour. Thanks to all that have posted! I think I will just mention the Chicago meet n' greets. Around 12:30 PM Laura and I headed downtown to meet with Robbert from Holland. We met in the lobby of the Ritz Carlton, where we knew Joni et all were staying. What can I say about Robbert? He is such a WARM and INTERESTING person. He's now traveling in some vehicle, going to see Steely Dan twice and Natalie Merchant live in the NW States and riding a bicycle along the CA coast! We had a wonderful conversation while keeping one eye opened toward the elevator. Time was running out as we had to meet other JMDLERS at Ginos East in Rosemont at 5. We drove Robbert to his car at his Chicago office. Actually, we never made it there. Being from Holland, I don't think Robbert was prepared for 'us' Chicago drivers. After a few bouts of near brushes, Robbert politely requested to be let off at the next corner ;~) Robbert apparently found his car and Laura and I headed off to Rosemont. We were early, so we decided to stop at Rosemont Theatre - backstage door. Just as I was parking, I happened to look out the rear view mirror and saw a limo pull up to the door with license plates that read CONCERT 5. To be continued......I have a dentist appt. Damn, just when I was on a roll. jody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 15:55:22 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dolby I would suspect that they brought in real >people later to try to get a human feel back into the tracks. >RR And did they get "a human feel back"? That, dear Hamlet, is the question. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 14:33:45 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: HDCD? The STAS album will probably have the biggest difference in sound quality-the remaster was far superior to the first issue. Also, the original CD issue of Court and Spark sounded bad, the HDCD is much better. On some of the others, the difference is more subtle. On For the Roses, for instance, when I got the HDCD and compared it to the orig. CD I had to swap the discs a couple times before I noticed anything different. The high frequencies were a bit smoother on the HDCD when listening carefully with headphones. I don't have a HDCD equipped player, which is the best way to hear the improvement in sound on a HDCD. RR Scott Tennell wrote: > Can someone please enlighten me on the whole HDCD thing? I know the cds > in the store have more of the original artwork. What's the inside > like? I only have two (not counting all the newer ones that came out > originally with HDCD on them) HDCD (Clouds and Mingus). Can you hear a > difference in sound quality? Do you recommend certain that I replace > any non HDCD with HDCD cds? The quality of the first cd (Seagull) > always bugged me. Some of my favorite Joni songs are on that cd. Is > there a difference? > > Any thoughts? > > Sincerely, > Scott > > NP: Time After Time (Casandra Wilson) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:08:04 -0400 From: "Marilyn Huggins" Subject: 5/28/00 Concert in Boston Did anyone see Joni's concert on 5/28/00 in Boston? Just curious---would be interesting to share insights, etc. This was only the 2nd time I've ever seen her. The music was good.....at least I could hear afterwards....but I like her old stuff the best. She sang all the songs on her "Both Sides Now" alburm in the exact same order plus others. I've been a fan of hers since 1970's & have all her albums. She is my favorite songwriter of all times! It was freezing cold at the concert because it was at the Fleet Pavillion & there was a mean breeze coming off the ocean. The usher felt sorry for me (I guess) when I got up to move & warm up and said I could move down front! It was great. but even colder! I thought she was wearing weird clothes, some kind of apricot outfit with a coat that only buttoned at the chest & then changed into a navy blue coat/outfit that stuck out (like wings) at the bottom! It wouldn't have been my choice. Anyway, the ticket was my 48th birthday present from my family. Marilyn (MA) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:35:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy Bob, Jim, Kakki, Thanks so very much for your kind words re: Over the Moon!!!. My new website is now up & running at last (stage 1 at least) and there are now Mp3 song samples or go to amazon.com for real audio samples if you prefer. Someday soon, I will have one or two entire songs uploaded over at Mp3.com. And it sure made my day to be listed as NP, Kakki! I am so envious of all you Nawlins folk. I was there for the first time, exactly one year ago on Memorial Weekend. One year too soon! What a great musical town. I visited the plantation you mentioned too, and some others. AND, trying to find a place to eat, we got lost, too!!!!!!!!! In a rainstorm in the middle of the bayou heading towards Lafayette. When we finally found the place, it it was like entering a magic place, kind of like Brigadoon or Lost Horizon. When we got home, I wrote a song about it! (next CD). Anyway, I hope there is a CD or video of the Joni Fest concert, could be a great way to fundraise for the websites! Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter PO Box 31001 Santa Barbara, CA 93130-1001 email kate@katebennett.com website www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:20:15 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dolby In a message dated 6/7/00 10:26:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: << That's what DED sounds like ... >> you go don! DED defender, extraordinaire!!! now go talk to roberto, would you? he is DED challenged in the extreme. ric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 16:33:58 -0600 From: "Kate Bennett" (by way of Les Irvin ) Subject: Re: JMDLers' CDs & Fest envy Bob, Jim, Kakki, Thanks so very much for your kind words re: Over the Moon!!!. My new website is now up & running at last (stage 1 at least) and there are now Mp3 song samples or go to amazon.com for real audio samples if you prefer. Someday soon, I will have one or two entire songs uploaded over at Mp3.com. And it sure made my day to be listed as NP, Kakki! I am so envious of all you Nawlins folk. I was there for the first time, exactly one year ago on Memorial Weekend. One year too soon! What a great musical town. I visited the plantation you mentioned too, and some others. AND, trying to find a place to eat, we got lost, too!!!!!!!!! In a rainstorm in the middle of the bayou heading towards Lafayette. When we finally found the place, it it was like entering a magic place, kind of like Brigadoon or Lost Horizon. When we got home, I wrote a song about it! (next CD). Anyway, I hope there is a CD or video of the Joni Fest concert, could be a great way to fundraise for the websites! Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter PO Box 31001 Santa Barbara, CA 93130-1001 email kate@katebennett.com website www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:51:50 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: El Bwyd I remember seeing a photo of maybe Boyd Elder helping Joni with what looked like a batik outside her home. It's somewhere in the Articles section of Les' site... and I think there was a black cat walking on it as well! :D NP-Yvette In English At 1:32 PM -0700 6/7/00, Kakki wrote: >Thanks, Frank. This is interesting and I'd like to hear more about Boyd. >Sounds like he is "El Bwyd". (Anyone know if Bwyd is Boyd in Welsh? ;-) I >found references in the book "California Rock, California Sound" where Joni >says he helped her paint "Axilar Moonrise" (referred to as "the painting of >Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" in the book. In the Starart book description >of the painting Joni says Axilar Moonrise "is a dramatization and expansion >on a profound moment of friendship and closeness that passed between a >friend and me." - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:36:17 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: no digests This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------58E9DF58CB1583DD545C203E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a reason why I have not received any digests for over 24 hours? I can't imagine that no one is writing. 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All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:58:42 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Roots Are Showing In a message dated 6/7/00 7:13:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << BTW, she's a natural blonde so she can _not_ be referring to her hair! >> If she covers her gray she can!!! MG - only my hairdresser knows for sure..... ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #237 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?