From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #228 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, June 2 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 228 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: BSN Sales & Napster ["Ken (slarty)" ] No One Prepared Me [Vince Lavieri ] Re: UK Summer 2000 JoniFest ["Steve Mitchell" ] That Marbled Bowling Ball...... [PPeterson4@aol.com] Re: TNT [MGVal@aol.com] Hejira [PPeterson4@aol.com] Joni/Judy - Who can keep 'em straight? [MGVal@aol.com] Re: New Orleans JoniFest! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni/Judy - Who can keep 'em straight? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: New Orleans JoniFest! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Merrieweather Pavillion Concert [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Fwd: [JONIatEcenter] Pre-show dinner Fri 6/2/00 [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Detroit gathering-show ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: UK Summer 2000 JoniFest [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: UK Summer 2000 JoniFest [MDESTE1@aol.com] RE: The Clarkston Concert, comments by Valerie ["Pat Post" ] Pine Knob Performance (long, long, long) ["cassy" ] Re: No One Prepared Me [Howard Motyl ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 18:52:51 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: BSN Sales & Napster I'm going to take a look see, Brenda but I had pretty much given up on the idea since so many people were against it. I know on Napster right now you can find lots of tunes from the Joni Mitchell TV tribute. "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > A couple of weeks ago there was a discussion about using Napster to > share MP3's of stuff from the trees. Because of the inherent problems > of trying to find the right person online at the time that you're > looking for a song, it seems that it is not the most viable solution. > > My suggestion is to use i-drive. Anyone can upload files of all types > and anyone else can download. Myplay offers a similar service except > you can only put up mp3's. Myplay also offers instant listening which > is a nice feature for those who don't want to download. Different > accounts could be set up for the various trees or for photos, video > clips, etc. perhaps using myplay for music and i-drive for other > things. The password could be the same for all accounts so there won't > have to be various names to note and remember. > > I opened an account at i-drive: > https://www.idrive.com/ > Username: jmdl-files > Password: hejira > > and at myplay: > http://www.myplay.com/ > E-mail address: jmdl-files@mail.com > Password: hejira > > I uploaded McAlmont's "Conversation" to the accounts. Anyone can use > the username and password to go in and download or stream (myplay). > > The disadvantages are download time and only one person can log in at a > time. The way to get around that is for those interested to set up > I-drives and then the files can be published to "friends" only, so any > JMDL'ers who give you there user name can see the files you designate to > share with friends. > > In either case, I think this is a much better solution than Napster, > Gnutella or any peer-to-peer sharing software. I think it's a nice > addition to the offline process used now for those who want to use it. > > Thoughts? > > B > > Now playing - Steely Dan - Sign In Stranger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 19:52:48 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: No One Prepared Me No one prepared me for: 1. The stunning visual at the end of the concert. As Joni nears the last lines of FTR, "Like an empty spotlight," a spotlight begins to sweep through the crowd; it reaches her as she sings those words, thus closing in the spotlight, and as the orchestra continues to play, she departs the stage while the spotlight grows brighter and fixes on the empty stage and suddenly lone microphone. It gave me chills in both Chicago and Detroit. Did anyone mention this in a concert review and I missed it? It was stunning in Chicago when I didn't expect it, and it was stunning in Detroit when I did. 2. That second set dress. What is up with that? That was a bizarre thing to see two nights in a row. 3. Questions about her voice being put to rest forever. She was in better voice in Chicago than in Detroit, and she said in Detroit her voice was "rough" that night, but even with a rough voice, her singing was glorious. 4. The pure joy of Laura and Jody as hosts in Chicago. I had never met a JMDL member until Tuesday night (perhaps by your choice, not mine!) but even after talking with you all here for the past years, nothing prepared me for the energy and joy of Laura, Jody, and the folks in Chicago, and Terry, Amy, and the folks in Detroit; it was such a treat to meet such great people! 5. Singing out loud... Terry, 'I Don't Know Where I Stand' is such a great song of many decades of my affection, and since I cannot sing, I would never imagine singing that in front of any human being. (My dogs, however, also know it by heart.) Terry, you coaxed that out of me and it will be a forever memory of how much fun it was when the two of us sang that... 6. I cannot name all the great folks I met as I might forget to include someone, but Laura and Jody, wow, and Terry and Amy, what fun, and all of you in Chicago on Tuesday and Detroit on Wednesday, you rock! Vince (tired, but having such a fine time remembering everything) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:22:55 +0100 From: "Steve Mitchell" Subject: Re: UK Summer 2000 JoniFest Chris Marshall wrote: > OK people, this constitutes an official announcement. > > I *will* host a summer JoniFest here (just near Cambridge, UK.) Ah well, time to de-lurk and say hello seeing as my near-neighbour (Chris lives a few streets away from me) has thrown down the gauntlet! >I've set up a UK JoniFest list, but it currently only has three people on, > four including me. > > So! UK listers unite, and subscribe by e-mailing to:- You can make that five after I send this! - --Stevie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:36:23 +0200 From: "Flip Feij" Subject: Richard Thompson on JM on line Hi all, On the RT-list we were warned about this: > There's a new interview with RT online. Go to this url: > > http://www.folkmusic.about.com/musicperform/folkmusic/ > > scroll down to ESSENTIALS and it's the first item under that ("Across the Pond > #9"). > Regards, Flip- *********************************************************** Richard Thompson For Completists Website http://people.zeelandnet.nl/flipfeij/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:42:37 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: That Marbled Bowling Ball...... Glad to see someone who appreciates that lyric. I never get tired of its poetry and wisdom. One of my all time favorites. And I agree completely about its greatness and the greatness of that album. Paul Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:34:25 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: TNT In a message dated 6/1/00 8:16:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << Diana Krull-listened for a short time and whizzed thru. didn't touch me. Well okay it did touch me but the same way a pneumatic drill does. >> That one bit into me! LOL! MG - thankful for a laff after too much of everything else.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:38:02 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Hejira Here's a little story many of you Hejira appreciators may relate to: It was 1976 and I was studying in Kiel, Germany. Since I hadn't been able to bring any of my records with me, and since German radio at that time was dominated by crappy "Schlager Musik" (a kind of rancid easy listening style of pop) and classical stuff I was out of touch with new music coming out of the States. Occasionally a late night radio show would play some new stuff or you could pick up a station in Holland, but for the most part I was in a musical desert. (This was before Walkmans and CD's). A new friend on my floor of the dorm empathized with my painful music-less state and generously gave me the use of her reel to reel tape recorder which I was able to hook up to an FM radio. I scoured the dial for any new music and one night I heard a German DJ introduce two tracks from a new album by Joni Mitchell. I lept to the tape recorder and just caught the start of Furry Sings the Blues. After that came Hejira. Probably only people on this list can imagine what those two tracks meant to me that year! I played that tape countless times. I played it for everyone I knew. The last album I knew of Joni's was Court and Spark and this was such a leap forward I was in awe. Furry was like a play or a movie - vivid, dramatic, every character finely drawn. An amazing conjuration of a time and a place and at the same time the whole history of that place. (There's a story about the physical manifestion of that place I'll save for a future post). But it was Hejira that captured my spirit. The density of the imagery kept me coming back again and again in my attempt to unravel its mystery. Not having a lyric sheet it took months for some of the lines to finally make sense: "White fags of winter chimnies"????? What the hell were they? Oh! White flags! Waving truce.. Oh yeah that made sense... And so on. The melancholy soothed my own. It was a time of big choices for me and taking big risks - I was either gonna thaw out or freeze! That song again and again did what all great art does - it connected me with the artist and communicated her experience to me in a way that excited me , moved me, confronted me, and comforted me on my own journey. I will always associate those songs with that time. In all the years that have followed, I have never tired of the artistry of that album. I remember the delight when I finally heard the whole thing in a record store in Kiel. Hearing Refuge of the Roads for the first time and Song for Sharon. Wow! And how I dragged my best friend down there to show her Joni's outrageous album cover with the penis sticking out of her coat! And my embarassement when my friend said "That's not a penis, it's her arm with a bracelet - what's on your mind?". I remember a room mate in New York a few years later asking if I didn't find Song for Sharon incredibly repetitive. And my answer: Yeah? And? I remember discovering a few years after that that my mentor had discovered Hejira on his own. His favorite? Amelia. And how dumb I felt when he had to point out the reference to Amelia Ehrhart! The song had worked perfectly fine for me with out the reference. And of course my joy at hearing the new version in concert. When Joni played Hejira at her concert, she conjured everything that song has meant to me since I first heard it in that little dorm room in Kiel all those years ago. All the past associations washed over me along with all the new ones sparked but the song's new incarnation. And the amazing thing is that I'm sure there was some person at the concert or some kid in a dorm room somewhere hearing it for the first time and it's just as brilliant and new and full of meaning for them as it was for me so many years ago. Paul Peterson New York City ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:43:12 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Joni/Judy - Who can keep 'em straight? More strange JMDL Synchronicity: As a little celebration for my recent raise, (duh - make more money, hey! let's spend it!), I took my kids out to dinner last night. Afterwards, I spotted a "Beauty and More" store still open. Anything open past 7PM is atypical enough in Davis and since a girl can never have enough "More," we stopped in to take a look. The clerk on duty complimented me on my BSN tee shirt, (thanks to Brian!), and I asked him if he knew who it was. "yeah, yeah, sure I do, I used to listen to her stuff all the time." MG: "what album did you like the best?" Clerk: "the one where she poses slightly in the nude." MG: "Oh! For The Roses is one of my favorites,too!" Clerk: "Is that what it's called? I LOVE the song "Send in the Clowns." MG: "That's Judy Collins not Joni Mitchell!" MG's Kids collectively: "Oh oh, another Joni monologue/rant." Clerk: "Oh, who is that?" Duh. MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:50:45 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: New Orleans JoniFest! In a message dated 5/30/2000 1:36:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Truly, it was one of the greatest weekends I've ever spent on this planet. Thanks to all who were there that helped make it an unforgettable gathering... and to Paz for pulling it all together. Les >> I must admit...this was my BEST WEEKEND on the PLANET as well. Michael is the best host of the world. He took us to places that only the elite can go to and all he did was show his face and the doors opened wide!! I think my favorite part of the whole weekend was hanging out in the back yard, singing with all my cyber friends and getting a real good BUZZ on..... Whoo-HOOOOOOoooooooo!~! Catgirl just getting back on Thursday.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:52:26 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni/Judy - Who can keep 'em straight? In a message dated 6/1/00 10:48:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: << Clerk: "Is that what it's called? I LOVE the song "Send in the Clowns." MG: "That's Judy Collins not Joni Mitchell!" >> But you haven't lived till you're heard Liz Taylor's version in the movie "A Little Night Music." ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:52:03 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: New Orleans JoniFest! In a message dated 5/30/2000 4:48:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << Maybe these listers should form a group, start touring and end up with their own list devoted enirely to them! From what i hear the talent is certainly there. >> well, Catman, ya never know! But I will say that it was one of the best times of my entire life. the compnay, the food, the weather was just perfect!!! Catgirl :o) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:07:27 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Merrieweather Pavillion Concert In a message dated 6/1/2000 2:21:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mswanson@sprintmail.com writes: << Has anyone who attended the Joni's show at Merriweather got a review? I recently saw Ringo Starr at Wolftrap in DC and someone there said her Merriweather concert was really bad. Now, I'm a Joni lover from way, way back so I enjoyed her material immensely. It was the first time I ever saw her in concert and it was wonderful. I'd like to hear from others who saw the Merriweather show. David Paul >> I saw the show and was in the fourth row. She looked great and sang her heart out,. From my vantage point the sound quality was terrible. The Orchestra sounded great but Joni's vocal sounded tinny and too low (quiet) for me. I wnated to move and check out another area but was taping the show and didn't want to ruin my tape. The DAT didn't run anyway so I never did get a recording...bib BOOO-HOOO!!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:10:22 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [JONIatEcenter] Pre-show dinner Fri 6/2/00 - --part1_44.4288b3a.26687f9e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Listers, This is a message for anyone going to the Joni show at the E-Center. This is her last show of the tour and we would love for everyone to come out for a mini meet and greet. It won't be anything like Michael Paz Fest. but will still be a blast!! Hugs and Whoo-Hooo!! Catgirl In a message dated 6/1/2000 4:34:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, briangross@rocketmail.com writes: << Hi everyone, I'm sorry I didn't get to this sooner, but better today than tomorrow :-) We're meeting for dinner at: Lucky Star Chinese Buffet Black Horse Center (between Bradlees and JCPenney) Black Horse Pike (Rt 168) and Nicholson Road Audubon, NJ 08106 856-546-7808 They are expecting us (the Joni Mitchell group, from 4:30 on) and the restaurant is a B.Y.O.B. place, so feel free to bring your favorite intoxicating beverage, if you so desire. I also told them we want the non-smoking section. Since the show starts at 8:00 and the E-Centre is about 10 minutes from the restaurant, I would think we'd want to be on our way by 7:30 at the latest. Why don't we plan on getting to the restaurant in the 5:00 to 5:30 area? Earlier (for you big eaters) is fine, and later is ok too (as long as we're out of there on time) I'll have some printed directions from the restaurant to the E-Centre for everyone driving so you don't get lost in Camden on the way. It's really pretty simple to get there. For those who want to carpool and leave vehicles in the parking lot of my office, we should meet there by 4:30 or so. I have a 7 passenger minivan and no other passengers with dibs on seats. So the first 6 are welcome to ride with me. My intention is to go with the flow, as it were, after the show. So if you need to be on your way immediately following the show, your best bet is to park at the E-Centre. To get to my office, get to Rt 42 South (going towards Atlantic City). Pass Rt 55, the Deptford exits (2 of them: Clements Bridge Road and Rt 41). The next exit is "Chews Landing/Almonesson" That's the one you want. At the end of the ramp, turn left and make your first left into the "Commerce Center", going straight back. The building is on the right and we're in Suite 205/206. The sign out front says "Lodging Products" An alternate route to my office is to take: Rt 168 South from the NJ Turnpike #3 or Rt 168 North from the Atlantic City/Williamstown/Turnersville areas to Lower Landing Road (traffic light with the Black Horse Motel on the corner) and turn towards the motel. Follow Lower Landing road around the bend, under the freeway, and up the hill. The Commerce Center will be on your left. To get to the restaurant (if that's your meeting spot), there are a number of ways: From the Walt Whitman Bridge, follow the first offramp at the NJ end of the bridge to get onto Rt 168 (Black Horse Pike). The Black Horse Center will be on your left, behind the Pep Boys store. From the Ben Franklin Bridge, follow Rt 30 East (the newly cleansed Adm Wilson Blvd) to Rt 130 South. After negotiating the Collingswood Circle (where you only want to go HALFWAY around) and continuing on Rt 130 South, stay left. The Black Horse Pike will split off to the left, leaving you a few traffic lights north of the Black Horse Center (on your left). From the Tacony-Palmyra or Betsy Ross Bridge, follow Rt 130 South, as describ >> - --part1_44.4288b3a.26687f9e_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (rly-yb02.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.2]) by air-yb02.mail.aol.com (v74.10) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 16:34:01 -0400 Received: from fj.egroups.com (fj.egroups.com [208.50.144.72]) by rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (v74.10) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 16:33:38 -0400 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-520453-69-959891562-Catgirl627=aol.com@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.36] by fj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2000 20:32:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 5627 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2000 20:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Jun 2000 20:32:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web2906.mail.yahoo.com) (128.11.68.49) by mta2 with SMTP; 1 Jun 2000 20:32:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 7055 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jun 2000 20:32:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000601203240.7054.qmail@web2906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.204.202.202] by web2906.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 13:32:40 PDT To: JoniatECenter@egroups.com Cc: lrfye@yahoo.com From: Brian Gross MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list JONIatEcenter@egroups.com; contact JONIatEcenter-owner@egroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list JONIatEcenter@egroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: JONIatEcenter@egroups.com Subject: [JONIatEcenter] Pre-show dinner Fri 6/2/00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Hi everyone, I'm sorry I didn't get to this sooner, but better today than tomorrow :-) We're meeting for dinner at: Lucky Star Chinese Buffet Black Horse Center (between Bradlees and JCPenney) Black Horse Pike (Rt 168) and Nicholson Road Audubon, NJ 08106 856-546-7808 They are expecting us (the Joni Mitchell group, from 4:30 on) and the restaurant is a B.Y.O.B. place, so feel free to bring your favorite intoxicating beverage, if you so desire. I also told them we want the non-smoking section. Since the show starts at 8:00 and the E-Centre is about 10 minutes from the restaurant, I would think we'd want to be on our way by 7:30 at the latest. Why don't we plan on getting to the restaurant in the 5:00 to 5:30 area? Earlier (for you big eaters) is fine, and later is ok too (as long as we're out of there on time) I'll have some printed directions from the restaurant to the E-Centre for everyone driving so you don't get lost in Camden on the way. It's really pretty simple to get there. For those who want to carpool and leave vehicles in the parking lot of my office, we should meet there by 4:30 or so. I have a 7 passenger minivan and no other passengers with dibs on seats. So the first 6 are welcome to ride with me. My intention is to go with the flow, as it were, after the show. So if you need to be on your way immediately following the show, your best bet is to park at the E-Centre. To get to my office, get to Rt 42 South (going towards Atlantic City). Pass Rt 55, the Deptford exits (2 of them: Clements Bridge Road and Rt 41). The next exit is "Chews Landing/Almonesson" That's the one you want. At the end of the ramp, turn left and make your first left into the "Commerce Center", going straight back. The building is on the right and we're in Suite 205/206. The sign out front says "Lodging Products" An alternate route to my office is to take: Rt 168 South from the NJ Turnpike #3 or Rt 168 North from the Atlantic City/Williamstown/Turnersville areas to Lower Landing Road (traffic light with the Black Horse Motel on the corner) and turn towards the motel. Follow Lower Landing road around the bend, under the freeway, and up the hill. The Commerce Center will be on your left. To get to the restaurant (if that's your meeting spot), there are a number of ways: From the Walt Whitman Bridge, follow the first offramp at the NJ end of the bridge to get onto Rt 168 (Black Horse Pike). The Black Horse Center will be on your left, behind the Pep Boys store. From the Ben Franklin Bridge, follow Rt 30 East (the newly cleansed Adm Wilson Blvd) to Rt 130 South. After negotiating the Collingswood Circle (where you only want to go HALFWAY around) and continuing on Rt 130 South, stay left. The Black Horse Pike will split off to the left, leaving you a few traffic lights north of the Black Horse Center (on your left). From the Tacony-Palmyra or Betsy Ross Bridge, follow Rt 130 South, as described for the Ben Franklin. From the NJ Turnpike Exit 3, follow Rt 168 North for 2.9 miles and the Center will be on your right behind the Pep Boys store. From I-295, follow Rt 168 North for 1.1 miles and the Center will be on your right behind the Pep Boys store. If you manage to get yourself lost, please call me on my cell phone at 609-504-6287. I'm really looking forward to seeing all of you tomorrow (and Joni too!!) Drive carefully, Brian ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. http://click.egroups.com/1/4633/5/_/_/_/959891562/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: JONIatEcenter-unsubscribe@egroups.com - --part1_44.4288b3a.26687f9e_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 23:33:10 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Detroit gathering-show I am sitting at my keyboard back in Northern Michigan after what was a fantastic yet disappointing trip. I got to meet wonderful new listers (Cassy, Jack, Vince, Pat, Yael) catch up on old times with some Pittsburgh vets (Terry & Jim) then there was the Woodstock connection (Amy) and who could forget Joni's last visit to Detroit (Jeanne, Kelly, Terry, Amy, Vicki). With all of the reunions and good times there was the heartbreak of a short program (want a review..check Wally's web page in a few...) and lost time with listers who had to travel. I missed saying goodbye to Lindsey and her mom, Pat was up and gone before the sleep was even out of my eyes, Yael got a few grumpy words out of me as I was fetal in the rollaway, then there was Cassy who I could have listened to for hours yet only had the opportuninty to speak with for minutes, Vince, who is just as jovial to talk to as he is to read, our new lister Jack who is a wonderful artist and Jim, the tourtured photographer who had to give a pint of blood just to shoot Joni (sorry, I couldn't resist the pun). To the core group of Detroit listers: you guys made the difference. Amy and Kelly (with Yael) staying up until almost 5:00 a.m. chatting like school girls, what fun, and Terry, taking care of me like I was your own daughter, then getting to meet your daughter who was as wonderful and witty as you and won't let her mom be humble about her musical talent, Jeanne it seemed like we didn't get to talk at all yet sitting beside you at the concert and sharing your feelings through A Case of You....that is what it is all about. We were treated to inspired guitar and piano by Terry, harmonious vocals by Cassy and Yael, witty stories of Nawlens by Jim, treasured drawings by Jack, great sports stories of Vince's, pull out pictures of Bruce Willis by Amy (Courtesy of Vicki and Lindsey) Thom's enthusiasm even though he is a Mellin' head, Pat's very long list of naughty words (shwanker????was that it???) So much fun encompassed by a wonderful (if short) concert. I hope all felt welcome and comfortable in my old hometown. It felt like home being with you and sharing in the Joni experience. This list is great and the diversity we bring together in her spirit never ceases to amaze me. Thank you one and all for a fun time before and after the concert! Sue Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:44:48 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: UK Summer 2000 JoniFest In a message dated 6/1/00 7:33:11 PM US Central Standard Time, stevie.mitch@btinternet.com writes: << Ah well, time to de-lurk and say hello seeing as my near-neighbour (Chris lives a few streets away from me) has thrown down the gauntlet! >> Wow, welcome Steve! That's the spirit, de-lurk and snag an invitation to a Jonifest at the same time! You go boy! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:10:41 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: UK Summer 2000 JoniFest Good grief people. You all simply MUST go to this fest. We have discovered in our US Fests that Jonis fans worldwide are capable of having major good musical events. Dont think twicw its alright. Just say GO. marcel d'este. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 00:34:20 EDT From: "Pat Post" Subject: RE: The Clarkston Concert, comments by Valerie I thoroughly enjoyed the concert. Another chance to see Joni in person just made my year! Thanks, for your review Valerie. I didn't hear any comments about 'Canadians', but there were a few idiots which made remarks, around where I was in the 5th row, left side of stage. A guy behind me said, " Oh, she's just waiting to come on when it get's dark, for effect". I said to my companion's, that was bull and I was a little concerned for Joni, as she's always started practically on time when I've seen her before. She was superb, and I felt privledged to see her in Detroit. She told a nice story about how she and Chuck started playing in these small clubs,in Detroit, that played folk music earlier in the evening, then switched to jazz at midnight. She said the clubs would fill with jazz musicians and the crowd would change to a mostly black audience. She said when she and Chuck played the Black audience started coming earlier to see her and were very patient with her in those early days. She absolutely jammed on Hejira, her whole being was possessed by the music, she was beautiful to watch. I didn't know about the need for Pine Knob shows to end by 11:00pm. This probably explained her ending the show without doing 'Ludwigs Tune'. I thought maybe her throat was bothering her as she had mentioned earlier she felt a little hoarse. I sure never noticed it though, Her voice sounded fabulous. She is a consumate professional and performer. I am enjoying the BSN tunes even more now after seeing her perform them. Any other JMDLers have thoughts on this concert? Take Care, Pat P. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 23:28:12 -0600 From: evian Subject: TNT Tribute I am still not really caught up on the list (maybe tomorrow I will get a chance to) but I did just read Colin's impressions of the TNT tribute and had to give my thoughts as well. Thanks to our wonderful Jimmy Kimmy Mimmy Cybil-friend, I have had the tribute for a while but because of the hectic crappola that's been going on here, I only was able to watch the first 3/4 of it, and then I refused to watch the end until I could watch the whole thing all over again uninterrupted (yeah, I am anal as hell). So anyway, that's why it has taken me so long to pipe in about the tribute. Well, "Raised on Robbery" was ok... it was cute, and I liked it, but to be honest, it could have been performed by anyone -- nothing earth-shattering about it. Of course, then I saw Cyndi Lauper - -- and holy smokers!!!!!! OMG, she was so totally awesome. Why why why why why doesn't she record it???? Wowzers, I was freaking out. Hmmm, what else? OH! kd lang rocked my frigging world!!!! I want a whole kd Joni tribute album now! I got chills from her, and she was no more frumpy than anyone else, in my opinion. Mary-Chapin and Shawn were the greatest, but of course since I am huge fans of both of them, I wasn't surprised. "Amelia" was perfect, also gave me goosebumps. Richard Thompson -- ahh, well, "Black Crow" got me rocking, but otherwise... no big thrill. Elton was good, but again I am biassed because I am an Elton fan, and the song was so appropriate, especially after watching "Tantrums and Tiaras". JT was awesome, but of course I'd be thrilled even if he was singing the Oscar Meyer weiner song. That Cassandra person rocked!!!! Man, she was great! However, Diana Krall.... she just didn't do it for me, and she annoys me for some reason. And I am forgetting a ton of songs, but I just can't think right now... but anyway, the tribute was absolutely awesome!!! Anyway, TGIF my good friends, Evian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:42:57 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Pine Knob Performance (long, long, long) I've been taking my time and digesting my thoughts and feelings about the "Both Sides Now" Concert at Pine Knob. Frankly, I am having very mixed emotions about the show. Considering the glowing revues I've read regarding her previous performances on this tour and knowing the caliber of performer Joni is from having seen her on three prior occasions, I had pretty high expectations for the show. I had a great deal of difficulty sleeping the night before the show, I was suffering from a form of "anticipatory anxiety." The Michiganders and a few out-of-towners had made arrangements to meet during the afternoon at the Townsend Hotel. Terry had kindly made the arrangements and taken a suite for us to socialize in pre-concert. My husband Thom and I arrived around 2.30 P.M. and immediately felt at home, the room was appealing and in a first-class establishment. We were welcomed by Terry, Amy, Vicky, Lindsey (Vicky's daughter), Jeannie, Sue and Kelly, then Kate (Terry's daughter) joined us. We had an array of light refreshments and beverages and chatted easily with one another (teasing Thom about not having imagined he'd have his own harem for the afternoon). In short order we were joined by Reverend Vince, Yael, Jim L'Hommedieu, Patrick (SireofSorrow), and Jack. Both Jack and Vince had driven in directly from Chicago, having seen the Chicago performance the night before, so they were telling us a bit about that show. Terry had brought her guitar and played several Joni tunes for everyone to sing-along to, it was so much fun singing in chorus with other Joniphiles, we had a ball. Yael, spoke up and said she knew how to play guitar also, so she sat down and did a very pretty rendition of "Amelia." Terry encouraged the shy Reverend to sing "I Don't Know Where I Stand" with her and did a beautiful job of it too. Pat played guitar for us and Jack brought along original artwork he'd done, a pencil and ink sketch of Joni, well detailed and shaded with lyrics from Joni's songs. This is a very unusual piece, and IMO it's fabulous. I showed off a few of my Joni collectibles and then we were off to Pine Knob. Thom and I left a little earlier, with Jim, so that we could pick up a signed litho and get it back out to the car prior to show time. Jim was the official Joni Mitchell.com photographer for the show and he wanted to be there earlier too to scope out the terrain. As Thom ran the litho out to the car I ran into a couple of the orchestra members eating popsicles, trying to cool off from the very muggy heat. I asked them if they were performing with the orchestra (the tuxedos with open-necked shirts and no ties were a give-away) and they said yes, one was a trumpet player and the other a trombone player. I asked how long they had had to rehearse and they told me six hours, I continued by asking about who would be performing and if they'd be playing the Debussy to start the concert, they said Roney, Erskine and Kline would be featured and that they were indeed playing Debussy. They went on to talk about how this was "the best gig we've had in a very long time," they said that the music was a little challenging in spots but overall the content and composition were excellent. As I moved into the venue seating area I was standing at the back when I saw a man approaching with flowers in his hand. I addressed him as he neared me saying "lovely proteas" he was surprised that I knew the name of the flower he carried and we began a lovely conversation about Joni in the early days. It turns out that he had seen Joni at the Chessman and had, in the early 70's, brought Joni a protea, with a card attached, to her concert at the Masonic Temple, he sent it back to her via an usher. When she walked onto the stage that night she was carrying the flower in her hand and stopped after the second song asking him to stand and identify himself to her; she proceeded to ask him what kind of flower it was as she'd never seen one like it before and he told her. In 1998 when TTT came out, he was tickled to see, painted on the back of the CD, a vase holding several proteas. So he had brought her proteas again in 2000 'cause "the seasons they go round and round." I thoroughly enjoyed talking and listening to this man, he is probably one of the most knowledgeable people I've met regarding Joni trivia (he actually went to the library of congress and looked up and wrote down every song Joni had ever published) and he carries around a tape of Joni singing "Brandy Eyes," "Winter Lady," "Carnival in Canora," and "Eastern Rain". I have steered him to the JMDL and hope to see him here with us soon. We located and sat in our seats, anxiously awaiting the start of the show. The jazz band came onto the stage and began playing - Erskine did a wonderful drum solo - but 8 p.m. came and went and no Joni. At around 8.15 the band moved to exit the stage where a couple of the stage-hands were frantically telling them to stay and play more music so they did, but had vacated the stage by 8.30. At this point no one had made any kind of announcement or anything, the crowd was getting fidgety and some of the ruder members of the audience were shouting disparaging remarks. I had spoken to one of the ushers and he told me Joni had difficulty getting out of Chicago due to weather problems so I knew it was through no fault of her own that she was late, I found myself defending her tardiness to those seated around me and entertaining them with stories of the new CD and other miscellaneous Joni tales. At about 9.25 Larry Klein made the announcement that Joni had arrived at the venue and was frantically dressing, he thanked everyone for their continued patience but said it would be a few more minutes until the show began. This announcement was followed by a huge exodus of people to the bathroom, the concessions, for a smoke... At a little after 9.30 the performance proper began. The Debussy was enhanced by the fact that knowing the title of the piece means "Clouds," I watched as the smoke machine created little drifts of cloud around the stage, the lighting effect was spectacular (the quality lighting was one of the best aspects of this performance IMO) I'm sure 90% of the audience missed the entire point of that being the opening piece as those around me rudely chatted through the entire thing and many more made their way, loudly, belatedly, back to their seats. They just didn't "get it" that this was a prelude to the show and that there were many of us soaking it up. Then the moment we had all been waiting for... SIQUOMB herself decked out in an electric blue, silk gown, close-fitting and tied across the front Venus-style, mid-calf, a little shrug-cape-like thingie that she used effectively as a prop throughout the first part of the show, alternately spreading open like a butterfly and pulling it in around her like a cocoon depending on the emotion she was trying to express at that moment. Even I had been getting antsy by the time she came out, but the minute she hit the stage I forgave her everything. Like Gary said "she could have come out and barked like a dog and I'd have been happy." You could tell immediately she was one pissed-off lady when she came out. Her body language was tight and closed. She had little to say, she did apologize for being late; she'd been captive on a plane on a runway due to weather restrictions and she sounded a bit hoarse (I wondered whether some unfortunate person had been the recipient of a tongue lashing). She said "I'm not in good voice right now, it's been a horrible day and I feel real bad about that but I'll do the best I can." She sang the expected selections, she WAS hoarse at first but seemed to work it out as she vocalized through the first two songs. After that her voice seemed pretty much back to normal. Slowly she loosened up and made the occasional comment, when one man shouted out "my analyst told me" she coolly responded "did he?" Her spoken words were sparse almost cryptic. She took a brief intermission after "Don't Worry About Me." "Stormy Weather" seemed an ironic song to begin the second part of the show since it had been the stormy weather which had delayed her performance. When "Both Sides Now" began, the tears came, silently, in torrents down my face and my husband put his arm around me and pulled me in tightly to him, knowing how passionately I feel about her music he just held me close and kissed my hair as the last strains faded away. Hejira was awesome, Larry Klein's bass playing was funky and lyrical. I love that "popping" bass line, it reminded me of Robert "Pops" Popwell, on "Spiral" big time. "For the Roses" was the piece-de-resistance with the dramatic empty spotlight closing the show. At first I was stunned that this was the end of the show but when Thom told me it was 11.05 I knew she would not come back because of the Clarkston noise-ordinance. As it was it cost her $5,000 to finish the show in a logical and dramatic way. We all headed back to the Townsend, with Gary in tow this time and ended up in the bar briefly, then moving into the lobby after asking the concierge if that baby grand was "just for show" or could people actually play it? Terry, once again, generously shared her musical talents with us and the "choir" of Joni singers entertained not only themselves and each other, but anyone passing through the lobby. We spoke briefly with each other about the show, but it was almost as if everyone was holding it pretty close to their vest, an intensely personal experience which I can only just begin to verbalize. Thanks to anyone who made it this far for letting me wax on about the day. I loved every minute of the content of the show, was disappointed it wasn't longer, was irritated at the idiots around me for destroying the ambiance and not letting me submerge myself as deeply as I would have like into the music, am still wondering why she chose a dress with "fins," am ecstatic at having met other people who have placed Joni as firmly on her pedestal as me, am a little hoarse myself as it had been quite some time since I hit a high "C," am feeling humbled at having witnessed yet another Joni metamorphosis and truly thankful I wasn't born deaf. Cassy N.P. Linda Ronstadt "What's New" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 23:03:37 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: No Subject Catherine wrote: >Wot? You? Lie? To us? Shirley Yoo jest!> ...and don't call me Shirley!!! ;o) Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 01:40:26 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: No One Prepared Me In a message dated 6/1/00 5:46:20 PM US Central Standard Time, writes: <Bob Um, Vince, ah, I was at the Chicago concert and I didn't see any spotlights going through the crowd. At one point, a spotlight facing the crowd, on the right side of the stage, in the second section back, went on but it was lighting a microphone in the audience. (I thought someone was going to sing with her, and then I thought she was going to go into the crowd to sing!) But I don't remember if it was in FTR. The light went on and sat still before going out. It looked like it was a mistake. It didn't move around the crowd and then settle back on the stage. At least not in the arena I was sitting in. Howard M ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #228 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?