From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #227 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, June 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 227 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: This whole thing about Judy Collins... ["C.A. Starkey" ] Re: New Orleans Jonifest [FMYFL@aol.com] goldie hawn singing "carey" [Bounced Message ] [none] [Bounced Message ] Top ten notable moments [Bounced Message ] Merrieweather Pavillion Concert ["David P. Swanson" ] Hejira Anon. [Julian51469@aol.com] Chicago concert: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 at the Rosemont Theatre ["Pitassi] Goldie Hawn singing Carey [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Merrieweather Pavillion Concert [Catherine McKay ] Re: My thoughts about the Clarkston, MI gig [catman ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #298 ["Mike Hicks" ] Hejira Anon....and on [Julian51469@aol.com] RE: Top Ten Notable Moments [Howard Motyl ] RE: Hejira Anon. [Howard Motyl ] (Fwd) Re: JONI covers by others [peves@marlboro.edu] Chicago's Standing O's [Howard Motyl ] Re: TNT ["Paul Pennington" ] Re: (Fwd) Re: JONI covers by others [catman ] jonifest, reviews [Bounced Message ] A Letter From Judy Collins ["James L. Leonard" ] Partners loving Joni & Hejira [Bounced Message ] RE: Chicago's Standing O's ["Chris Marshall" ] BSN Sales & Napster ["Brenda J. Walker" ] great joni opening lines sjc ["Wally Kairuz" ] [Fwd: No Subject] [catman ] A Letter From Judy Collins [SMEBD@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 10:19:45 -0400 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Re: This whole thing about Judy Collins... Lord, I have to stop deleting selective posts, I had *no idea* Judy Collins indeed posted herself. This morning, I saw a post with the email address that Catman said due to privacy he couldn't give out the details, which I understand. I have to admit I don't listen to as much Judy as I should, but one of the CD's I used to get out of the library, has a very excellent song, this was YEARS ago, I cannot remember the French title, but I believe the English title was Song of Lost Lovers and it is all sung in French. I absolutely love this song! Even though, I cannot understand a word+, it sounds like one of those songs, about losing a love that you can never reclaim, and I used to think I was the only one that loved Liverpool Lullaby (along with the Beatles cover of In My Life) Those were on a different CD, (I remember that one had a green cover) but they were my favourite songs. *and I have the late Linda McCartney's book, "Sixties", which has a nice picture of Judy in it, in which Linda remarked about her nice blue eyes.* Carol +Which goes to show you the power of music. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:33:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My thoughts about the Clarkston, MI gig - --- valerie cullin wrote: >The rest of the yahoos in the audience were heckling, >yelling insults about "Canadians" which in Michigan >is a big sore spot being >that they are our poor-relation neighbors on the >border, and it was >embarrassing as hell. I would not have blamed her >if she had not gone on >at all. Now, just hold on there a minute, running dog of yankee imperialism - whatchoo mean "poor relations neighbours"? I gots a eddycation and a good job too, and I gets to collect pogey so I can go down to the beerstore for my two-four of a Satiday night when they lays me off when times are slow round the mill. (P.S. If Joni is a *real* Canadian, she would have welcomed the attention, even if it was abusive!) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:35:36 EDT From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Constant Play In a message dated 6/1/00 3:18:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CatMan writes: << Don strikes it again. Thanks Don. On a different but realted note, do we all go through phases of playing a particular album over and over? I know I do. I did it with TI and NRH and some carly ones too. so which ones do you all play to death? >> Lately, I've been constantly playing the "Day in the Garden" 8/15/98 (since I got it over a year ago) and DJRD (for the last five years or so...almost constantly)...I've gone through three copies of Hejira (vinyl, tape and finally CD)...so I decided to give it a rest. If anyone has not heard the Day in the Garden...I would be happy to make a copy for you...just e-mail me privately and we'll work it out...ya gotta hear this! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 10:40:25 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: TNT Tribute/Ian and Sylvia (snip) >And Pat Henry wrote: >>Ian and Sylvia? (are they still around?) >Around, not together. They both are still recording and performing. >Ian has a ranch in western Canada, and his songs are mostly cowboy >oriented these days. He tours infrequently, but puts on an excellent >show. >Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com Wow, Ian & Sylvia, I haven't heard that name in years. My parents used to play one of their albums; one of the songs went 'four strong winds..." - -jan BTW, for those in the SF Bay Area, on June 6 (Sunday) Fugazi and Sleater Kinney will be playing a free show in Dolores Park SF starting at noon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:02:07 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: New Orleans Jonifest In a message dated 6/1/00 1:35:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca writes: << Oh bloody hell, me too, me TOO! I tellya, New Orleans is on my list of places I really, really, REALLY want to see one day (before I die, I hope!) (The others are San Francisco, the Greek islands, Hong Kong and there are a few others, >> Catherine, there is no reason why we can't start planning Jonifest 2001 in Hong Kong right now. I've always wanted to go there too, and Pat Henry won't have that far to go from Guam. Who knows, Joni may even show up for that one :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:03:10 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: goldie hawn singing "carey" Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:29:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Stoy Hi all, I wanted to let you know that one of our record stores has put a 1972 Goldie Hawn album on eBay that features Goldie singing "Carey." I don't know if that particular version has been included in the "covers" project that many of you have worked on. The record is still sealed, so I couldn't listen to it. Anyway, I wanted to tell you guys that it's there, in case anyone is interested. Erin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:00:55 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: [none] From: "william" Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:21:12 +0700 In response to Michael Bird's "The Next Joni Album Selection of Songs", well it's spooky that you should contemplate such an idea. My sis lives in America (I don't) and I had emailed her to request a taping of the tribute show in April, so I wouldn't "miss" it. Oh how I'm longing for my next Stateside visit. Anyway. She replied pronto with an emotional account of the show. So there I was so much all a-go-go at the thought of a Joni tribute concert that I decided to concoct one of my own. All my favs playing Joni songs. It takes a lot of effort to imagine others doing her songs as the originals are so ingrained but here's what I came up with. Acoustic set James Taylor - Marcie/ Morning Morgantown Elvis Costello - Blue Motel Room/Don't Interrupt the Sorrow Rickie Lee Jones - Electricity/Sunny Sunday Joan Armatrading - Down to You/ Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Annie Lennox - Ladies of the Canyon/Amelia David Crosby - Rainy Night House/Yvette in English Electric/Band set kd lang - Sweet Bird/Shadows and light David Bowie - Slouching Towards Bethlehem/Fiction Page & Plant - Black Crow/ This Flight Tonight Sting - Furry Sings the Blues/A Chair in the Sky Prince & Chaka Khan - God Must Be a Boogie Man/In France They Kiss on = Main Street Pavarotti - Love/Stay in Touch Just a thought/dream William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:02:35 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Top ten notable moments From: "william" Subject: Top ten notable moments Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:25:30 +0700 Interesting to think about Joni's leaner moments on record; least favs, but how about the notable moments on record? The bits that made you go - .............shivery. A tingle up the spine. I'll submit a few of my own for your consideration. Volume one. Top Ten Notable Joni Moments on Record 10) On "Just Ice" the spoken intro to "Face Lift" - the way she says "my sel-i-f". ".......between a middle aged woman and my sel-i-f". We used it endlessly in Bali two Christmases ago. Thanks Joni! Endless hours of silliness. 9) On BSN - the "oh Canada" on ACOY. 8) Off Night Backstreet - the elongation of drain. "...bath tub drai-ai-ai-ai-ai-ai-ai-n". 7) The riff on "Just Like This Train". 6) "A painter does a painting and he does a painting." The whole spiel. The first time I heard it was at art college. I had a cheapy portable record player but boy what came out of that mono speaker way back then ........... ooosh! 5) On "Just Ice" nearing the end of Hejira - a siren can be heard outside the venue as she sings "I'm travelling in some vehicle, not that one." 4) Woodstock 3) Paprika Plains - the final instrumental "movement". Awesome. 2) Song for Sharon - the way her voice "breaks" on "........satisfaction." Subtle as you'll ever get. 1) Ludwig's Tune - the way her voice jumps to "raw". Here endeth the first volume Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 14:03:58 -0700 From: "David P. Swanson" Subject: Merrieweather Pavillion Concert Has anyone who attended the Joni's show at Merriweather got a review? I recently saw Ringo Starr at Wolftrap in DC and someone there said her Merriweather concert was really bad. Now, I'm a Joni lover from way, way back so I enjoyed her material immensely. It was the first time I ever saw her in concert and it was wonderful. I'd like to hear from others who saw the Merriweather show. David Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 14:05:59 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: TNT Tribute/Ian and Sylvia jan gyn wrote: > (snip) > >And Pat Henry wrote: > >>Ian and Sylvia? (are they still around?) > >Around, not together. They both are still recording and performing. > >Ian has a ranch in western Canada, and his songs are mostly cowboy > >oriented these days. He tours infrequently, but puts on an excellent > >show. > >Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com > > Wow, Ian & Sylvia, I haven't heard that name in years. My parents used to > play one of their albums; one of the songs went 'four strong winds..." Judy Collins does an excellent version of Four Strong Winds on her Living album, which also contains her Chelsea Morning. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:06:16 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #226 From: "Christine Nunn" Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:54:13 -0400 Stephen, wrote:, climbing back up on the soapbox one more time. I agree completely with you that it was very gracious of Judy to post a response on the JMDL. To me this is proof positive of the type of person that she is: IMHO, Judy demonstrated that she has no reason to diss Joni and that she didn't (why else would she bother to set the record straight?). I sometimes wonder why some JMDLers are so threatened by Judy (I can understand--but not agree with--someone not liking Judy as a singer or songwriter. Taste in music is personal. But the putdowns bother me. Judy Collins has led a remarkable life and has done much good in terms of the social actoivism that she has done and in writing very honestly about her life and the personal problems she has dealt with. I applaud Judy for who she is. She has been a real hero to me since my teens. I wish there were more people like her in the world.) Stephen I couldn't agree more. Judy Collins is NOT Joni and Joni isn't Judy and neither claim to be the other, better than the other, or responsible for the other. This entire thread is overdone at this point. Collins is a lovely singer, with a remarkable range and a huge repetoire of songs that are completely different from our Joni's. Let is rest. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:12:44 EDT From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Hejira Anon. Hello everyone. My name is Julian and I've been listening to Hejira for about ten years strait....On the good days I'll just hum parts of it to myself. On the worst (or maybe the best) days I'll put it on constant repeat untill my poor CD player has memorized all of the ones and zeros. But I'll tell you, I have no regrets about it. I feel that people who listen to everything else that's been recorded in the world come from a different set of circumstances. They're up there listening to thier Brittany while I'm just getting on with synchronizing five copies of the album on five different players in five different rooms...ah the drone of five Hejiras! I listen 'till I'm kicking and scratching on the floor and my wife has to take me and prop me up in bed and I sleep on the strange pillows of my wanderlust. People say that I'm foolish and childish and tell me to grow up...and you all know the answer to that one. Damn it! There's comfort in melancholy and if you crank up the volume then there is no need to explain. Everywhere I go (even the crickets clicking in the ferns take me there), everything I do revolves around like particles of everchanging Hejira...I know its hard to have that lofty point of view when you're bound and tied to someone like Joni... I can keep my cool most of the time but I'm a fool when Hejira's on my plate....so fleece me. I don't know about you but I love this vigorous anonymity of this Hejira group...all these emotions and abstractions. It took me a long while to get to where I am now...transportation aint what it used to be what with ferries, highways, pontoon planes, taxies and trains but I can see where this is all leading me. When this ragged soul takes flight searching anything that's shiny in each listening...will you all still love me when I'm down? When I sit all alone with the ole' CD player burning a whole through my umpteenth copy of Asylum's 1087-2 and a rush of radiant happiness flows over me I stop and often think, " Joni has mirrored me and back simplified"...and then I usually just laugh at my denied perfection. Thank you all for creating such a refuge and allowing me a place to put this baggage overload;-) Julian np Hejira ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:18:29 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: Chicago concert: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 at the Rosemont Theatre I was very sorry to read in Valerie's account that the Michigan show last night was delayed and truncated due to Joni's late plane--and tarnished somewhat, perhaps, by loud, unappreciative audience members. But I echo Phyllis's sentiment that the Chicago audience was extremely respectful. They/we gave Joni a standing ovation just for walking out on the stage! And I think there was at least one more, if not more, during the show. Yes, the response was loudest and most enthusiastic for Joni's own songs, both from the BSN cycle, and the handful she performed directly afterward. But I got the feeling that most of the audience knew what to expect, and were not let down by the show. (I even heard one woman in the rest room beforehand tell another, "Now you know what this is about, right? She has a new album, and . . . ). A few random observations: I'm always amazed at how much more powerful Joni's voice seems--to me, at least--live, as opposed to recorded. And Tuesday night's concert was no exception. Unfortunately, the sound system was as "harsh" as the published review sent to the list yesterday said it was, and it pitted Joni against the orchestra on a couple of occasions. Once, there even seemed to be some substantial feedback while she was singing. Joni reached for the water glass often, and because of that, I was a little worried about her voice, but, if she was experiencing difficulty or pain, it really didn't show in her performance. The banter at this show was similar to what has already been posted from the other concerts, although her manner with the audience was very easy, and the remarks didn't seem "canned." She introduced "Answer Me, My Love" by saying that, when you get to this juncture in a relationship, "there are many ways you can go. I chose to plead. And the best pleading song I knew was a Nat King Cole song." Then she preceded "A Case of You" with, "when pleading doesn't work, most people head to the bar. There are many 'weeping in your beer' songs. I chose one of mine." These remarks seems to reinforce her comments on the Rosie O'Donnell show that she sees this song cycle as chronically a change with "Answer Me, My Love," followed by a succession of songs describing different options after that point. Joni also made a comment, before "Comes Love," to the effect that, while she had been raised on fairy tales, her grandson was being raised in "harsh reality." She appeared to be highlighting generational differences. Even so, it was heartwarming to hear the reference to Marlin, dropped so casually into the conversation. Finally, she told an amusing but biting story about Beethoven being suckered into pandering to popular taste by inserting the national anthems of England and France in a composition, only to wind up becoming famous, at the time, for this, "the worst piece of shit he ever wrote." She got a good laugh for that one, but the meaning of the story, in the middle of her "I hate show business" set, was obvious. I was in awe, as usual, with Joni's phrasing, and noted that it was especially good on "Don't Worry 'bout Me." For "Sometimes I'm Happy," Joni was bathed in yellow light, which was quite striking. For the first half of the show, Joni was dressed in a light blue version of an outfit that I think she also wore, in a different color, at another show: the skirt was sheer, the blouse was set off from the skirt at the waist, and there was a cape which Joni sometimes wrapped around herself while singing. For the second half, she wore the black (or silver?) pleated dress that flares out from the waist to the knees, looks triangular--and which, for the life of me, I don't quite "get"! Finally, thoughts on the songs. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed the BSN cycle. The orchestra was good, and Joni really seems to have the interpretation on these songs down (despite still using the "cheat sheet" on "I Wish I Was In Love Again"). As for Joni's songs: "Be Cool," which I've neither loved nor hated, but sort of liked, in lukewarm fashion, worked quite well in the orchestral setting. Surprisingly, for me anyway, "Judgment of the Moon and Stars" did not: too bombastic and Wagnerian, with Joni shouting the lyrics, emphasizing the strand of this song which pities the poor suffering artist, and de-emphasizing, I thought, the strand that I've always found much more appealing: advice to an individual, artist or not, facing a great, life-altering, potentially shattering crisis. This is most effective when done quietly. And again somewhat surprisingly, "For the Roses" *did* work: although the presentation here with full orchestra was very different from the solitary guitar accompanying lyrics like "singing your simple sorrow to the soundhole and your knee," there was enough there musically for the orchestra to take it and create something new with, even something as basic as the rising scales before the musical (and emotional) letdown. And that's it from your unofficial Chicago correspondent! Mary P. P.S. Kudos to Laura and Jody J. for organizing such wonderful pre- and post-show meet-n-greets. Seeing old friends and meeting new ones made this night even more special than it already was!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:29:17 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Goldie Hawn singing Carey Go for it, Erin!! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:35:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Merrieweather Pavillion Concert - --- "David P. Swanson" wrote: > Has anyone who attended the Joni's show at > Merriweather got a review? I > recently saw Ringo Starr at Wolftrap in DC and > someone there said her > Merriweather concert was really bad It was probably some disgruntled aging hippy neo-snob who got trapped in a pre-Hejira time warp and *just* *doesn't* *get* *it*! (The bastards - they could've given their tickets to one of us!!!) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 14:04:02 -0500 From: "Susan" Subject: RE:Wearing down the vinyl > Mags wrote: > > Singing Joni's words is as natural as the very breathe > I take. I love C&S and Blue in particular, have played > them again and again, never tire of them. I love them > as I love my life long friends. I love them for being > my saving grace due to life events going on at the > time of discovery. They are signifiers that have left > impressions in my heart, they are so much a part of > me. > I could not agree with you more my sentiments have been such for almost 30 years now. Blue is also my favorite having played through my original vinyl version to a virtual hiss. I guess I have a favorite era as I imagine many Joniphiles do. I turned onto Blue at it's original release, I went back for Ladies of the Canyon and then forward with FTR, C&S and HOSL. That list is where my soul lies, was discovered, developed - created! I like to think of Joni as my spiritual mother nurturing me with her mind beauty. The last 4 years have been the time that I needed the Joni experience the most. But it was also the time I listened the least to music - period! (too emotional!) Although on the good days my dear departed and I would sing Joni to each other in the kitchen, as we prepared dinner or cleaned up. Robin's been gone almost 2 years, for the most part I get better everyday, but then every couple of months you feel like you're "Down to Zero" all over again! Unfortunately, it's been one of those times this week. But I still believe in us and know that my Robin was truly all of the "Ladies of the Canyon" rolled up into one. Q? - Are we done beating the dead horses? I AM! And I am not even going to mention those 2 threads that have me pulling my hair out! It's making me crazy! Hey! Threads you know who you are - STOP! Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 20:16:38 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: My thoughts about the Clarkston, MI gig which in Michigan > >is a big sore spot being > >that they are our poor-relation neighbors on the > >border, i read this as meaning the Michigan lot were the poor relations. > > Now, just hold on there a minute, running dog of > yankee imperialism - whatchoo mean "poor relations > neighbours"? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 20:20:48 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: TNT Tribute/Ian and Sylvia > > Judy Collins does an excellent version of Four Strong Winds okay i know i am just a big child but i read this just after reading the ken/Cat banter and burst out laughing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:44:39 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #298 > Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:50:15 -0400 (EDT) > From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #298 > Reply-to: joni@smoe.org > hejira > hejira > hejira...... "In a highway service station Over the month of June, Was a photograph of the earth Taken coming back from the moon. And you couldn't see a city On that marbled bowling ball Or a forest or a city or me least here of all. You couldn't see these cold water restrooms Or this baggage overload Westbound and rolling taking refuge in the roads." Hey Linda, Does this do something to ya? These may be some of the best lyrics off of one of the best albums of our time. This says it all and nearly explains it all to me. It really puts me in my place. Just wanted to share my love for this album with you. Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:38:46 EDT From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Hejira Anon....and on ...Blue is a great album but it's so much shorter than Hejira...sometimes I find myself wishing that I was in the Blue Anonymous group just so I wouldn't have to go through such sweet torture for such a long time...Maybe the two groups need to get together for a conference. (The DED people have it easy is what I think;-) Julian np Song for Sharon ps check out "Traveling In Some Vehicle..." at this address: <> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 14:41:29 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: RE: Top Ten Notable Moments "william" wrote: >Interesting to think about Joni's leaner moments on record; least favs, >but how about the notable moments on record? The bits that made you go - - >.............shivery. A tingle up the spine. I'll submit a few of my own >for your consideration. Volume one. >Top Ten Notable Joni Moments on Record >9) On BSN - the "oh Canada" on ACOY. Oh, I hate this "Oh Canada"--it goes through me like a knife every time I hear it (when I was listening to her the other night in Chicago, I was wishing when she started singing ACOY, that she would do the original "Oh Canada" from Blue.) The original is much more imbued with all sorts of layers. But I will tell you what does go through me, makes me all shivery, in a good way: The opening of Coyote--it always makes me crazy. The very beginning of "Love" on WTRF--"Although, I speak in . . . tongues of men and angels" ay caramba and then, the very end of "Love" when she does the last three "loves", especially the last one. exquisite in "Same Situation", the line "Send me somebody who's strong and somewhat sincere" in "Dreamland", "Propped up on a samba beat, with Dreamland comin on" and Chaka Khan's background Dreamland's (oh my god, I think I might actually get ten and I haven't even thought about it.) in "Edith and the K": "tthe wires in the walls are huuuuumming some song, some mysterious song " in "Down to you", the whole line that begins with "you go down to the pickup station craving warmth and beauty. . . . (all the way through to) In the morning there are lovers in the streets." which rivals in "Coyote" the part that starts "privately probing their public rooms, peeking through keyholes in numbered doors, where the players lick their wounds and take their temporary lovers and their pills and powders to get them through this passion play--no regrets, Coyote, I just get up a ways." Fucking brilliance. And it kills me everytime. The opening chords of Turbulent Indigo. in "Man from Mars": "I call and call. The silence is so full of sounds You're in them all, I hear you in the water, And the wiring in the walls" heartbreaking. these are not in any semblance of an order. Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 14:47:44 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: RE: Hejira Anon. Hello everyone. My name is Julian and I've been listening to Hejira for about ten years strait....On the good days I'll just hum parts of it to myself. On the worst (or maybe the best) days I'll put it on constant repeat untill my poor CD player has memorized all of the ones and zeros. " Joni has mirrored me and back simplified"...and then I usually just laugh at my denied perfection. Thank you all for creating such a refuge and allowing me a place to put this baggage overload;-) Julian **** Julian, from one Hejira addict to another, this is was brilliant and hilarious. I'm porous with Hejira fever. Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:05:57 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: (Fwd) Re: JONI covers by others - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: Bounced Message Subject: Re: JONI covers by others Date sent: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:59:47 -0400 I like your list of artists and Joni covers. I've entertained the same I've got: The Roches Shadows & Light/ Turbulent Indigo Grace Slick Judgement Of Moon & Stars (slow , deep, rock) /The Boho Dance Annie Lennox The Jungle Line Patty Smith Black Crow Mark knopfler Borderline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 15:11:55 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Chicago's Standing O's first one: when she entered. I think she was taken a bit aback. I would guess it was about a minute. second one: after ACOY. Personally, I don't like this arrangement but the song is amazing. In any case, we stood and applauded like monkeys. third one: after BSN. Personally, I think this is an amazing version of the song and think she sings it beautifully. It continues to move me. fourth one: after FTR. When she was off-stage. fifth one: after Trouble Man. The end. I have a vague recollection of some people standing after one of the standards (Comes Love?), or was it Be Cool? But no mass audience erection. Howard M. btw, can I just say this--what was she wearing? Dare I say that she needs a stylist? The first outfit had this cape-like attachment that she kept wrapping her arms in. Mind you, I found the arm wrap thing endearing. But someone referred to it as a bat cape. It wasn't making it. Then, in the second half, she had on black dress that had these very odd points around her calves. I mean, the dress was constructed to stick out at her knees, as if it were a kind of flat hoop skirt: it stuck out at the sides but not the front. It was odd. My friend said to me when we got a full on shot of it "In keeping with the Batman theme". It may have been Issey Miyake but I know it was a Messy Miyake. And one more thing, the Larry Klein thing. Enough already. As my friend said, she's been divorcing him for five years now. She always introduces him as her ex and, frankly, there are so many men whom she could call her ex, yes? I think it is great they are friends but alright already, he's her ex, and they get along. Great. I got it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:18:05 -0400 From: "Paul Pennington" Subject: Re: TNT Ken (slarty) wrote: > Krull? My God it sounds like a fish! That would be krill, the small shrimp-like crustaceans whales eat. The Krull are the extinct former inhabitants of "Forbidden Planet", the 1956 sci-fi movie. The singer is Diana KRALL. Sheesh :-) Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 21:21:23 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: JONI covers by others Are these actual or a wish list? peves@marlboro.edu wrote: > > ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > From: Self > To: Bounced Message > Subject: Re: JONI covers by others > Date sent: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:59:47 -0400 > > I like your list of artists and Joni covers. I've entertained the same I've got: > > The Roches Shadows & Light/ Turbulent Indigo > Grace Slick Judgement Of Moon & Stars (slow , deep, rock) /The Boho > Dance > Annie Lennox The Jungle Line > Patty Smith Black Crow > Mark knopfler Borderline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Merrieweather Pavillion Concert David Paul wrote: > Has anyone who attended the Joni's show at > Merriweather got a review? I recently saw Ringo > Starr at Wolftrap in DC and someone there said her > Merriweather concert was really bad. Now, I'm a Joni > lover from way, way back so I enjoyed her material > immensely. It was the first time I ever saw her in > concert and it was wonderful. Joni's performance at Merriweather, which I enjoyed from 8th row, right center (which is more like 23rd row due to the orchestra pit, but it was still a great seat), was nothing short of SUPERB! Joni was radiant, beautifully dressed (okay, the second outfit was one of those that wouldn't appeal to everyone, but I'm not the fashion police. I liked it, and as far as I'm concerned, Joni can do little wrong), and she was in fine voice. She was in great humor, too, weaving a story as she performed the songs from BSN, then telling little anecdotes and joking with the audience between the "rest" of the songs. The orchestra was brilliant, and the players looked as if they were having a blast. There was absolutely nothing to dislike about the performance! (Joni didn't even smoke on stage until the very last song, although I suspect she did some puffing away during Intermission ... does anyone know if she's taken to wearing The Patch?) I heard mutterings from a few people on the way out about how they wished Joni would've performed more songs from her older albums, but you have to expect that some people haven't been following Joni's career and are stuck somewhere around LOTC or Blue or C&S and don't really know what Joni's been doing recently. I suspect that's the case with the woman at Wolf Trap. Lori in DC P.S. to Brian Gross: Sorry, Bri, I can't make it to Philly tomorrow night, but I'll be thinking of you! ENJOY! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 14:31:20 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: jonifest, reviews Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 16:12:01 -0400 From: Lucy Ijams I came on to the list in April as I was breaking up with a guy I had hoped would be my lover. I dropped off (un.sub.scribed) a couple of weeks later because there was just too much to read. But since I knew the tour was on (silly me, who lives but 8 miles from the Oakdale in CT, I went to Maine for the holiday weekend, which WAS the right choice--me mum is having heart trouble) I thought I would check in and live vicariously through your reports. I have not been disappointed. I just wanted to say thanks for those who posted published reviews and to the writers who have so prolifically posted their own detailed reports. I loved the Hejira anonymous thread. I have recently bought, w/ a leftover Amazon gift certificate, Clouds and Song to a Seagull, previously not in my possession. (I came in on Blue and went through Hejira.) So, I have been listening to the aforementioned CDs and vinyl HOSL and Hejira while reading the volumes on the jmdl digest. Now, going back into lurking mode. Thanks for the thrills. Lucy NP: Anonymous 4 "Lammas Ladymass" This message boun_ced on it's way to Joniland - usually a result of the address from which it came not matching *exactly* any subscriber's address. If this message is from you, contact me so we can resolve the problem. -Les. - -------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:12:53 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: A Letter From Judy Collins I wrote a letter to Judy Collins yesterday, which I'd be happy to forward to the list if there is sufficient interest. What I had to say to Judy is not what's important, however. Judy wrote me a wonderfully heartfelt and candid letter in return, which I received today. I then asked Judy for her permission to share the letter with the JMDL, and she has graciously answered by saying "Dear Jim, it would be my pleasure. My feelings are totally open to anyone who asks. Even Joni. Ever your singer of Joni's songs and my own, and others who fill the world with beauty, I remain, Judy." Below is Judy's letter. (Thank you, Judy.) "Boston Jim" - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Joni List > Dear Jim, it was kind of you to respond to my reaching out to the Cafe. I was > shocked to see these meanly intended quotes in the Post. I was baffled, and, > as words were put into my mouth, livid, but as we all know, you can't change > Page Six. They have a reputation for being mean, and for stirring up > discent.(sp?) To say my feelings were not hurt not to be invited to sing on > Joni's special would not be true. On the other hand, I understand that Joni > herself had requested that Randy, Leonard and I all be invited, and although > the invitaiton did not come, I understand why. There are always producers and > folks who see things differenty than I do. I watched the show, was delighted > with K.D. Laing's singing, and enjoyed the rest, in part because I enjoy > Joni's music. But in my heart, I wanted to hear Joni sing everything! Those > songs, the way she did them, the artistry she has brought to all of us, the > tears I have shed over that muse of hers in the past, are really only > revealed to me when she does the songs. And when she sang A Case Of You at > her New York concert, I just about lost it. I took Joni flowers, and met > with her after the show, to say thank you again, for all she has given me. I > reminded her that when I got sober twenty two years ago, it was Hijera I > played, over and over and over again, letting the tears fall, as I listened > knowing that I might make it through the storm. I told her again that those > tears I shed over her sitting in her little apartment in Chelsea so long ago > and singing me her songs are with me still, as well as all the inspiration > she has brought me by being a woman who never gives up the work of being an > artist, no matter what. There are not so many of us, and we must stick > together. > How sweet it was to see some of the shares that followed my note to the Cafe. > We are in this together, and though Joni and I were never close friends, as > the press and the fans seem to have thought (there are certain myths that > build up, with time, that are part of the heart's dream) but I have always lov > ed Joni, as so many of us have. I hope you will pass along my love of Joni, > and her spirit, and all she has written and done to make my world a sweeter > place. Love, from Judy Collins > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 15:12:54 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Partners loving Joni & Hejira From: "Kate Bennett" Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:01:54 -0700 Someone, a few digests ago, asked whether anyone had partners who loved Joni. My husband is a songwriter who's #1 influence is Dylan, and I am a songwriter whose #1 influence is Joni. We knew each other for several years as songwriters first before dating- one of our first dates was the Dylan, Joni, Van Morrison tour. So he got to hear her live, knowing very little of her catalog until then. What a great concert for both of us. Just a little background, Anyway... I may have told this story before, but it bares repeating because to me it shows just how amazingly emotional Joni's music can be to those who have no specific ties to her music. I asked my husband to watch the Tribute Concert with me, and like many of you, I became really choked up from the very first minute. Somewhere along the way, as I was trying to let the tears come out silently & covertly, sort or embarrased that I was getting so emotional, I looked over at my husband who to my IMMENSE surprise, also had great big tears in his eyes. This is a guy who doesn't normally go for female singers, he's more the Dylan, Prine, Hiatt kind of guy. WOW. It still astounds me, this ability Joni has, whether she is singing her songs or someone else is, to evoke the deepest most central core part of our beings. It is a magical thing. And somewhat related to those Hejira posts- I have been learning to play Amelia (thanks to the Joni website chord section!)which has always been one of my very favorite songs. Everytime I come to line "Like Iccarus Ascending" I get completely welled up & can hardly get the words out! I don't dare play it in public until I can keep it more together! Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter PO Box 31001 Santa Barbara, CA 93130-1001 email kate@katebennett.com website www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:09:45 -0700 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Chicago's Standing O's Howard said:- > The first outfit had this cape-like attachment that > she kept wrapping her arms in. Mind you, I found the arm wrap thing > endearing. Hey - it worked for Stevie Nicks (particularly when singing Rhiannon). - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 86F2 8809 FAC2 37ED 491A FD7D 7CAF 3206 E706 D3B3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 14:27:32 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: BSN Sales & Napster Sorry I've been away for a bit. Been travelling and taking care of business. Here are the sales for the last three weeks. Anyone interested in this week's report, send me an email and I'll forward it to you: BSN Week ending 5/14 - 13,092 5/21 - 9,958 5/28 - 9,049 Total sales to-date: 151,269 Total Catalog 5/14 - 15,944 5/28 - 20,986 A couple of weeks ago there was a discussion about using Napster to share MP3's of stuff from the trees. Because of the inherent problems of trying to find the right person online at the time that you're looking for a song, it seems that it is not the most viable solution. My suggestion is to use i-drive. Anyone can upload files of all types and anyone else can download. Myplay offers a similar service except you can only put up mp3's. Myplay also offers instant listening which is a nice feature for those who don't want to download. Different accounts could be set up for the various trees or for photos, video clips, etc. perhaps using myplay for music and i-drive for other things. The password could be the same for all accounts so there won't have to be various names to note and remember. I opened an account at i-drive: https://www.idrive.com/ Username: jmdl-files Password: hejira and at myplay: http://www.myplay.com/ E-mail address: jmdl-files@mail.com Password: hejira I uploaded McAlmont's "Conversation" to the accounts. Anyone can use the username and password to go in and download or stream (myplay). The disadvantages are download time and only one person can log in at a time. The way to get around that is for those interested to set up I-drives and then the files can be published to "friends" only, so any JMDL'ers who give you there user name can see the files you designate to share with friends. In either case, I think this is a much better solution than Napster, Gnutella or any peer-to-peer sharing software. I think it's a nice addition to the offline process used now for those who want to use it. Thoughts? B Now playing - Steely Dan - Sign In Stranger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:34:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: great joni opening lines sjc i've been singing the SADDEST POSSIBLE version of coyote these days. i hope that i can keep the mood going until ashara's so that i can share this cover with you all. i hope i won't be so heartbroken as i am now, though!!! wallyk an elusive piscean wrote: > But I will tell you what does go through me, makes me all shivery, in a > good way: > > The opening of Coyote--it always makes me crazy. > > The very beginning of "Love" on WTRF--"Although, I speak in . . . > tongues of men and angels" ay caramba > > and then, the very end of "Love" when she does the last three "loves", > especially the last one. exquisite > > in "Same Situation", the line "Send me somebody who's strong and > somewhat sincere" > > in "Dreamland", "Propped up on a samba beat, with Dreamland comin on" > and Chaka Khan's background Dreamland's > > (oh my god, I think I might actually get ten and I haven't even thought > about it.) > > in "Edith and the K": "tthe wires in the walls are huuuuumming some > song, some mysterious song " > > in "Down to you", the whole line that begins with "you go down to the > pickup station craving warmth and beauty. . . . (all the way through > to) In the morning there are lovers in the streets." which rivals > > in "Coyote" the part that starts "privately probing their public rooms, > peeking through keyholes in numbered doors, where the players lick their > wounds and take their temporary lovers and their pills and powders to > get them through this passion play--no regrets, Coyote, I just get up a > ways." Fucking brilliance. And it kills me everytime. > > The opening chords of Turbulent Indigo. > > in "Man from Mars": "I call and call. The silence is so full of sounds > You're in them all, I hear you in the water, And the wiring in the > walls" heartbreaking. > > > these are not in any semblance of an order. > > Howard M > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 17:25:36 -0000 From: "alan larson" Subject: Re: A Letter From Judy Collins Thanks for sharing that Jim. She is truly a special lady and a very talented performer. I've always been partial to her Judith album, and in particular Someday Soon. It was astonishing to see someone of her class and fame addressing our JMDL. Another of her songs I have listened to countless times on several mix tapes is Brother Can You Spare Me a Dime, as good a rendition as I've heard of that one. Would someone be so kind as to post her original email to the list? I must have missed it. I would really like to read it. Thanks again. This is just more proof that this community is a very special one. Alan in Ames ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 23:33:03 +0100 From: catman Subject: [Fwd: No Subject] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------E77E8836CB7B2D69BF1C7A51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for alan and anyone who missed it - --------------E77E8836CB7B2D69BF1C7A51 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk id 959780666:11:25492:6; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:44:26 GMT Received: from jane.smoe.org ([216.200.102.14]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125432; 31 May 2000 13:44 GMT Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id JAA27927; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 31 May 2000 09:39:08 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id JAA27902 for joni-outgoing; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id JAA27893 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:38:46 -0400 (EDT) From: RMPMaybury@aol.com Received: from RMPMaybury@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id p.9e.5244bc4 (4396) for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9e.5244bc4.26666f96@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:37:26 EDT Subject: No Subject To: joni@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 142 Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Reply-To: RMPMaybury@aol.com Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Forever misquoted! It's important for me to say I'm a wild Joni Mitchell fan and am eternally grateful to her! Much love, Judy Collins (RMProd@aol.com) - --------------E77E8836CB7B2D69BF1C7A51-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 18:51:01 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: A Letter From Judy Collins In a message dated 6/1/00 5:38:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: << I wrote a letter to Judy Collins yesterday, which I'd be happy to forward to the list if there is sufficient interest. >> Hi James! I would very much love to read your letter to Judy. I thought that her response to you was lovely and demonstrates that she is the person I have always imagined her to be. Thank you for sharing it with us. All the best, Stephen ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #227 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?