From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #226 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, June 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 226 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Chicago Review ["Helen M. Adcock" ] wearing down the vinyl [pat holden ] Re: Hejira Anonymous ["Helen M. Adcock" ] [Fwd: Chicago Review] [pat holden ] What Joni songs mean to us [MGVal@aol.com] Re: What Joni songs mean to us [pat holden ] UK Summer 2000 JoniFest ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: wearing down the vinyl ["mjf 2001" ] Re: dumb concert posts [MDESTE1@aol.com] New Orleans Jonifest [FMYFL@aol.com] In Defense of Judy [SMEBD@aol.com] Favorite Joni Songs ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: joni dissed by judy collins? [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: New Orleans Jonifest ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: boom boom ["P. Henry" ] Re: boom boom ["P. Henry" ] My thoughts about the Clarkston, MI gig ["valerie cullin" ] Re: boom boom [susan+rick ] Re: My thoughts about the Clarkston, MI gig [Phyliss Ward ] Re: This whole thing about Judy Collins... [catman ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #299 [TanyerSCO@aol.com] Re: TNT ["Ken (slarty)" ] Re: dumb concert posts [Catherine McKay ] Re: TNT [catman ] Re: This whole thing about Judy Collins... [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: TNT [Catherine McKay ] Re: New Orleans Jonifest [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:17:26 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Chicago Review David posted the Chicago Review of Joni's current tour: >Years of smoking have deepened and flavored Mitchell's once-lilting voice, >and she has used her study of the standards to reinvent her phrasing as well >as her register. Where the Mitchell of youre would race through her lyrics, >she now lingers over a tune like "You're My Thrill," savoring its verbal and >melodic nuances like fine wine. Also, whereas Mitchell was previously >rendered relatively immobile by her instrument, she has taken to her role as >a front person readily, developing an almost cinematic flair for the >dramatic. This must be the most complimentary review I've read yet - the reviewer obviously loved the show, and loved Joni, and has the same opinion as I do, about what smoking has done to Joni's voice. Yes, I'm afraid I'm opening that "can of worms" again, but I LIKE Joni's voice now. And didn't I read somewhere that she has said that she was effectively singing falsetto on her earlier albums, and that the lower register is where her natural pitch lies? Hell - not only opening the can of worms but pouring them down the back of your neck so they wriggle and squirm, until you're screaming for mercy! NP: Jacqui Fitzgerald - We Can Work It Out _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 06:30:43 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: wearing down the vinyl catman wrote: > Don strikes it again. Thanks Don. > > On a different but realted note, do we all go through phases of playing > a particular album over and over? I know I do. I did it with TI and NRH > and some carly ones too. > > so which ones do you all play to death? <<<<>>>> mags - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:31:40 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Hejira Anonymous Colin wrote: >On a different but realted note, do we all go through phases of playing >a particular album over and over? I know I do. I did it with TI and NRH >and some carly ones too. > >so which ones do you all play to death? Well, it's pretty much a redundant question for me, since I play every new CD to death - I mean, I put it in the CD walkman when I get to work at 8.30, set it to "repeat all" and turn it off when I leave at 5.00! And I'll do this for a week, with just about every CD I get! The difficulty comes when I get more than one at once, but I usually tape one, and leave it in the car tape-deck for a few weeks! But as for CD's that have been in the collection for a while, there are probably a few that get repeated more than others: FTR, HOSL, Hejira, TI, NRH - OK all of Joni's, Shona Laing - New On Earth, Indigo Girls - Strange Fire, CSNY - Deja Vu, Carole King - Tapestry, Fleetwood Mac - The Dance, Bonnie Raitt - Luck Of The Draw, JT - Mud Slide Slim, Stills - Stills Alone, Neil Young - Harvest I could go on all night.... but I won't! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 06:32:22 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: [Fwd: Chicago Review] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------BD4C684C889DB85A0E091526 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit now that Im on reg mail (help me, i think its raining 50 mails a day!) i sometimes forget to forward my reply to the list. heres mine to our Good Hell.......... - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- - --------------BD4C684C889DB85A0E091526 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <393648CE.3CACE8C5@iprimus.ca> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 06:28:15 -0500 From: pat holden X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Chicago Review References: <003c01bfcbb2$971adac0$c86212ce@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Helen made us squeal by writing: <<>>> ...oh good Hell, good morrow. I agree...I love Joni's voice now. Why wouldn't I? She is the godDESS, she just is. (or is that just ice?) *groan* Mags, who has too much time on her hands today :) - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- - --------------BD4C684C889DB85A0E091526-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:47:56 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: What Joni songs mean to us mags wrote: << I am currently working on how to articulate specific tunes and why they have meaning. >>>>> >> Best of luck to you! Non-Joni people who know me just know that she is "important" to me, but have a tough time understanding the emotional pull. Sure, a lot of them listen to music, a couple are sincere Deadheads, one really, really, really, really likes Joan Baez but no one retains that deep, hard pull that I find to be typical of teenagers who latch onto something like "Catcher in the Rye," or Nirvana to help them articulate and find a home for the inner churning angst. Certainly, that is the roots of my Joni affliction, but these daze, I'm pretty calm and stable. Contentedly happy, all things considered. Now what's the pull? I have no great affection for my teenaged years, so it's not a question of trying to spirit myself back to a better time, (yikes! no 1977 time machine for me, s'il vous plait!), via the music. I know that many of the songs are just plain enjoyable, but the majority of them just pluck at my heartstrings. Who can explain attraction? Who can explain chemistry? The more I think about it, isn't much of her music like a soulmate to your heart? A snippet from Sylvia Plath comes to mind: "If you dissect a bird to diagram the tongue, you'll cut the chord articulating song.." And beyond that, one person's soulmate is another's lima bean casserole. MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 07:04:22 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: Re: What Joni songs mean to us MG wrote: <<>> What a great way to express how Joni affects you. I can certainly relate to that and the not wanting to revisit the angst of the "good old days". As for her music, there certainly is a pull, one that alters not. Love is. mags. np: down to you C&S MGVal@aol.com wrote: > mags wrote: > > << I am currently working on how to articulate > specific tunes and why they have meaning. >>>>> > >> > > Best of luck to you! > > Non-Joni people who know me just know that she is "important" to me, but have > a tough time understanding the emotional pull. Sure, a lot of them listen to > music, a couple are sincere Deadheads, one really, really, really, really > likes Joan Baez but no one retains that deep, hard pull that I find to be > typical of teenagers who latch onto something like "Catcher in the Rye," or > Nirvana to help them articulate and find a home for the inner churning angst. > > Certainly, that is the roots of my Joni affliction, but these daze, I'm > pretty calm and stable. Contentedly happy, all things considered. Now what's > the pull? I have no great affection for my teenaged years, so it's not a > question of trying to spirit myself back to a better time, (yikes! no 1977 > time machine for me, s'il vous plait!), via the music. > > I know that many of the songs are just plain enjoyable, but the majority of > them just pluck at my heartstrings. Who can explain attraction? Who can > explain chemistry? The more I think about it, isn't much of her music like a > soulmate to your heart? > > A snippet from Sylvia Plath comes to mind: > > "If you dissect a bird > to diagram the tongue, > you'll cut the chord > articulating song.." > > And beyond that, one person's soulmate is another's lima bean casserole. > > MG - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 01:01:40 -0700 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: UK Summer 2000 JoniFest OK people, this constitutes an official announcement. I *will* host a summer JoniFest here (just near Cambridge, UK.) I would like there to be a little discussion about dates though, so that we can try and find dates that suit as many UK folk (plus any visiting US/euro folk) as possible. The window of opportunity currently stretches from mid-July (the weekend of the 15th & 16th) through to late August. Please please please come and dip your oar in, and propose dates that work for you. BUT! Please don't do it on this list. I've set up a UK JoniFest list, but it currently only has three people on, four including me. So! UK listers unite, and subscribe by e-mailing to:- majordomo@secure-si.co.uk saying subscribe ukfest in the message body. You'll have to reply to the response you get back from the list server, following the instructions enclosed. This is a security measure to prevent people (in the broad Internet sense, not the Joni list sense) playing silly buggers. So what am I planning? Some combination of music, food, drink, and general merriment. I can't remember how many UK musicians we have on the list, but I think there's Martin, Azeem, Jamie, me, and who else? I guess that means there's a fair chance someone might whip out a guitar and have a go. (Marian: fancy visiting the UK this summer? :-) I can't promise anything Ashara-esque or Pazular, but I'll do my best :-) - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 86F2 8809 FAC2 37ED 491A FD7D 7CAF 3206 E706 D3B3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 11:18:31 GMT From: "mjf 2001" Subject: Re: wearing down the vinyl > > so which ones do you all play to death? Well, lately it's been FTR..... just constant. However, I've been getting into "Mingus" lately, that's been the "drag-it-out-from-the-back-of-the-pile" special this week. But FTR has been getting heavy rotation around here for months. The MOST-played, probably, around here has got to be Hejira. It's always been my absolute favorite. "Refu-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-ge of the roads!" mjf ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 07:39:20 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: dumb concert posts In a message dated 5/31/2000 6:21:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: << Kee-ripes! Imagine being so clueless that you'd plunk down $75 in hopes of seeing James!!! sing along with her. >> hoooooowwwwwwllllllllll. standing oooooooo. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:44:04 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: New Orleans Jonifest I've finally had a chance to catch up on some much needed sleep (and work) to write about one of the most fantastic experiences of my life. This being my first Jonifest, I didn't know what to expect, and having *no* musical abilities whatsoever I wondered if I would fit in with all the gifted people whom I've thought of as "family" since joining the JMDL over two years ago. Any apprehensions that my partner Ed and I might have had vanished with the warm embraces and genuine affection that met our arrival at the True Blue Cafe. My friends I can honestly tell you This "PazFest", appropriately named after our remarkable, gracious host Michael Paz was the GREATEST! That initial outing put faces on so many screen names, which have long been alive in my mind. Here too, we got a preview of some of the incredible music that would bless our ears during the weekend. We followed the multi talented Victor to his next gig before heading to a wonderful, laughter filled dinner where delicious music was also served. As talented behind a wheel as with a guitar, Jack Neilson, our "tour director" dropped us off after a tour of the GARDEN DISTRICT that included a look at ANNE RICE'S house. The following day the majority of the gang arrived. Michael and his lovely wife Freda arranged a fantastic dinner for us at Giovanni's in the French Quarter. Luckily we had a private dining room in the patio area so we could laugh and sing without scaring off the other patrons. I hardly sat down during most of the dinner, as I was having so much fun talking to all of these people who I'd finally met. Dinner was followed by more fun in the VIP room upstairs at the House of Blues. David Lahm was right at home at the piano, while the rest of us felt like celebrities sitting on the sofas in the funky surroundings. The "opium" room as some people called it, gave you the feeling that you were in the "I Dream of Jeannie" bottle. Saturday night was one hell of a party at Michael's house. Music, food, drink and laughter was the theme again tonight. Michael taught us how to eat crawfish, while Marcel and Lori were busy in the kitchen making some of their gourmet creations.....and I can't forget Jerry, king of the barbecue grill. We still made plenty of room for the wonderful chocolates that John Van Tiel brought from Holland. At this point the music was just getting cranked up. It was like being at two concerts at once. Inside the house someone was playing on the piano and singing Joni songs. Out on the patio Catgirl's talented husband Eric played non stop on the guitar. I stayed mostly outside listening to song after song with the biggest grin on my face. Les and Bob knew the lyrics to EVERY song ever written, and Jim L'Hommedieu surprised me with his great percussion skills AND singing. Dear sweet Kakki and I had a great time talking and enjoying the great music. I don't think I got back to the hotel until around 4:30 that morning. Sunday night was the big night, and BIG it was. I thought I would stay and listen to just the JMDLer's perform, but I found myself staying at the Howlin Wolf for over 7 hours listening to these wonderful musicians who came to pay tribute to Joni Mitchell. As others have already said, this was a hundred times better than the TNT Tribute. We all looked at each other in amazement as each musician sung a Joni tune. The JMDLers who sang still had a special place in my heart. Victor, Steve, Catgirl, Marcel, Claud, Bryan, Paz, and Lahm were wonderful. I can't wait until this CD surfaces! The special moment of the evening was the candlelight vigil for Wally. Leslie Mixon read a beautiful letter written by Jim J. as candles were passed out to the entire audience. Tears were flowing as we listened to "Tiger Bones" in a moment of silence. Even the non JMDLer's in the audience were moved by Wally's accomplishments. It was an evening I'll never forget. I know I could write an entire post on how wonderful each person from the JMDL is, but that would take forever. You know what special people you are. Jonifest was one of the best weekends of my life, and as I mentioned earlier, you don't have to be a musician to enjoy such a wonderful event. Thanks to everyone who made Ed and I feel special, and a very special thanks to Michael. You're the greatest Paz! Jimmy, who promises to sell "pelvic" insurance to Bob :~) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:08:56 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: In Defense of Judy In a message dated 5/31/00 9:02:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << Howard wrote: >maybe she wasn't asked becuz Joni was singing, and reclaiming it as her own for once and for all, Both Sides Now herself--and that would have been the only obvious thing for Ms. Collins to sing.> an excellent point, howard. I like the part about reclaiming it... it brings to mind to wonder how many clueless are now, at this late date, going: "what? you mean to tell me Joni Mitchell wrote that?!?" LoL!!! cheers, pat >> Don't forget that Judy recorded "Michael from Mountains" and "For Free". There are lots of other Joni songs that Judy could sing and would do a wonderful job. A few years ago she recorded a CD of all Dylan--I thought that she did an excellent job and the CD got some very good reviews. Like I have said before, I don't know the nature of Judy and Joni's relationship, but I sat near Judy at Joni's MSG gig, and I once sat close (but not close enough :-) ) to Joni at a Judy Collins concert. I suspect that the two women have a mutual respect for one another. Judy not being asked to perform at the TNT Tribute, probably had more to do with the fact that they were getting more contemporary performers and not people associated (other than JT and in a round about way DK) with Joni and her music. IMHO, Judy Collins is a wonderful singer and songwriter, and she has done a great deal of work on human rights, civil rights, etc., and deserves respect and a place in history. And none of Judy's accomplishments--including having a hit with BSN or being more associated with BSN by the general public than Joni is--takes anything away from Joni. Stephen (getting down from his soapbox) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:19:22 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Favorite Joni Songs Here's my personal Top 20 (Vol. 1). I listed them chronologically, and only got as far as DJRD. Some very tough decisions had to be made along the way. :-) I'll have to submit another Top 20 (Vol. 2), picking up where this one left off, sometime later on down the road. So...what are your faves? Here are mine: 1. Urge For Going 2. Cactus Tree 3. Both Sides Now 4. I Don't Know Where I Stand 5. For Free 6. A Case Of You 7. River 8. For The Roses 9. Woman Of Heart And Mind 10. People's Parties 11. Down To You 12. In France They Kiss On Main Street 13. Edith And The Kingpin 14. Coyote 15. Amelia 16. Furry Sings The Blues 17. Hejira 18. Song For Sharon 19. Blue Motel Room 20. Paprika Plains "Boston Jim" P.S. My "worn the grooves off the vinyl" album, historically speaking, would be a three-way tie between Blue, Hejira and Shadows And Light ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:20:04 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: joni dissed by judy collins? In a message dated 5/31/00 10:47:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << Collins commented, "Don't ask me about that."> it's not surprising she said this as it is obvious Ms. Collins is not a fan of this type of music, hence, 'don't ask me, I couldn't venture an opinion... I don't even like this type of music'... again, no ill will. >> Judy does like this type of music, as she has recorded similar songs and frequently will sing them in concert ("Where or When," for example). In fact, she talks and writes about having grown up with this type of music in her house (her father was a radio personality). As for the "don't even ask me comment," I'm willing to bet it was either completely misquoted or taken out of context. Judy is no fool--she has been around the business long enough to know that anything she says could be quoted and I doubt that she was looking to start controversy. Stephen (who got back up on his soapbox and is getting back down) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:31:48 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: New Orleans Jonifest Wow, Jimmy, thanks for the post. Thanks to Bob and everybody else for their reports, too. (I think Bob is only beginning chapter three.) I'm *really* kicking myself for not getting it together to meet all of you there. I love New Orleans (understatement), I love Joni's music (another understatement), and I know I'd love getting to know all of you, and listening to JMDLers perform. Next time. "Boston Jim" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 06:32:43 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: boom boom Yael asks: >I've been meaning to post this for a little while. What the heck do other people think a "boom boom pachyderm" is? A drum? The lover's pet elephant? his penis? (ha ha).> it's a percussive (drum) rhythm... a 'vamp'. pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 06:53:33 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: boom boom Don wrote: >Boy, you've landed on one of the great enigmas that plagues the jmdl from time to time. Joni has innocently claimed that the "boom boom pachyderm" is a rhythmic drum figure used in blues -- like a paradiddle or ratamaque. But there remain a great many skeptics here on the list who just ain't buyin' it ...or certainly doubting that Joni was well-aware of the phallic connotations of the line. I mean, look at that bracelet on her wrist on the cover of "Hejira" -- and tell me what you think you see!> guess I'm weird but not only do I not see anything even remotely phallic about the term "boom boom pachyderm" but all I see on the cover of "Hejira" is Joni. pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 09:58:34 +0000 From: "valerie cullin" Subject: My thoughts about the Clarkston, MI gig I want to start by saying that, (and I will make this as brief as possible without sounding I hope too harsh), will people who hold season tickets at these theaters and concert halls that are NOT a fan of the artist please stay home! Last night the concert was supposed to begin around 8:15 pm and I say around because anybody who is a seasoned concert goer knows concerts rarely start "on time". Anyway, by 9:30 the orchestra had been sitting on stage for over an hour and Joni was nowhere to be found. I, being the consummate Joni fan, was worried our little ray of sunshine had collapsed or worse. The rest of the yahoos in the audience were heckling, yelling insults about "Canadians" which in Michigan is a big sore spot being that they are our poor-relation neighbors on the border, and it was embarrassing as hell. I would not have blamed her if she had not gone on at all. But, gracious as she is, we were finally told, (which I have to say they could have announced earlier), that her flight was delayed in Chicago and she had just arrived by police escort and was getting ready. The crowd made a mass exodus from the seats to load up on more booze... geez! I mean, what happened to audiences with manners! Then when she came out and just blew us away with You're My Thrill in a very eerie Billie Holidayesque voice you could tell she was exhausted.....no one stood up and applauded when she entered onto the stage. I could have just smacked everyone of them individually. Then the first comment from the two yahoos next to me as one of them handed me her binoculars was: "She is looking real old....too much booze I would think." lovely. Do I need to be in the midst of such disgraceful "fans" at my first ever Joni concert? Then some idiot on the lawn, as is per usual at EVERY concert I have ever been to, yells out "Sing FREEBIRD!" Joni, the gracious, talented and obviously tolerant individual that she is, continued on without skipping a beat. I definitely did not know what to expect with her new repertoire but I was surprisingly taken aback at her soulful renditions of the torch songs she chose. I should have known that ANY song she sings would be filled with the same depth and feeling and soulful presentation no matter if she is backed by a 70 piece orchestra or a kazoo. She just has the gift, you know? Anyway, the joni fans who were there applauded the loudest and longest for A Case of You and Both Sides Now as well as for Stormy Weather. Because the concert started so late and at that venue there is a law that all concerts MUST end at 11pm sharp or else the artist pays one thousand dollars for every minute over 11pm she hardly took a break. About ten minutes then continued on with the three last songs on the program. Her final one, Both Sides Now, was very good and the crowd kind of settled down and listened intently on that one. Then, you could tell, as she said a few minutes later, that she was "shaking off the airplane air conditioning she had to endure while sitting on the runway" and perked up a little bit and sang Hejira and For the Roses to end the evening. I know she would have continued longer had it not been 11:05. She already owed the venue an extra five grand so I don't blame her for quitting. But, I can't help but wonder what of her songs she would have sang next. I can't say I felt "jipped" because just to see her at all is the best thing in the world so.....life goes on. As we were leaving I was listening to the comments of people around us and most were complaints about her selection of songs. They wanted ALL classic Joni. One blowhard even commented that it was " a wasted two hours of his time" Dude, do us all a favor, stay home next time you fairweather fan. Sorry, Motley Crue wasn't opening for ya! Or was it the Ozfest you were looking for......I would say half the people or more missed the whole point of her choice of music for the tour: to constantly evolve in your music and WITH your music.....as she said to the crowd before she sang For the Roses...don't sell out, stay true to your music. She said if you sell out then everyone will follow....be the one who stands out in the crowd and rises above ...pour your simple sorrow to the soundhole on your knee...make up your tunes for love.....not for parties for the press...ok she didn't say the last part i just added that in but...she did say the first part and the crowd did their usual casual applauding of yes, we agree...then completely didn't get the point of what she just did for two hours.....typical suburbanite yuppies.....she had commented earlier in the evening about her music selection for the evening that she thought it reflected the "hippie" idea of what a fairytale was...what we were taught as children....I wish I could remember how she put it exactly...but something like: We followed our childhood fairytales and tried to live them as hippies and them watched them blow up in our faces as yuppies.....the crowd was not amused....mostly all goddamn yuppies dontchya know.....I loved it....couldn't laugh hard or long enough.......well, enough said.....I am rambling...all in all she is quite the dame! Two hours just wasn't enough................ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 07:10:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: The Top Ten Dumbest Things Overheard at a Joni Mitchell Concert! Murphyc wrote: > Number Two: > > "Seventy guys on the stage -- and not one of them is > James Taylor!" I'm almost certain I saw James standing in the wings during "For The Roses" ... > (SFX: APPLAUSE AND DRUMROLL) > > And the Number One Dumbest Things Overheard at a > Joni Mitchell Concert: > > "If you want me I'll be in the car." I think that one's pretty funny! Here's the Number One Dumbest Thing we heard at the Maryland show, spoken during the orchestra's delightful and moving opening: "Isn't this a boring piece of dreck?" Dreck? DRECK? Who, other than the very pretentious, ever even uses that word??? The woman who spake this drivel ; ) sat through the remainder of the concert with her arms folded, clearly bothered by Joni and everything else. I felt sorry for her male companion, who was obviously trying to enjoy the show from his 8th row seat. I felt sorry for the woman, who seemed to have decided to close her mind before the show had really begun. And I felt worst of all for my partner Mary, who was sitting right next to the woman and had to endure her attitude and comments (I tried to trade seats, but sweet Mare wouldn't hear of it). Lori in DC, who enjoyed the show TREMENDOUSLY and would love to be in Philly tomorrow night! NPIMH: Court and Spark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:28:12 -0700 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Hejira Anonymous I said:- > > Getting slightly nearer the truth: I've lost my compilation > > CD of Hejira plus all the good stuff from DJRD. To which Randy quizzed:- > Wait a sec....how can you fit Hejira and all the good stuff from > DJRD on one disc? Well, it has to do with the contentious issue of what "good stuff" is. What I did was... Drop "Blue Motel Room" and "Furry" from Hejira. (I know, sacrilege) Then I added "Cotton Avenue", "Talk To Me", "Jericho", "DJRD" and "Off Night Backstreet". I must admit I was also going for "all the Jaco stuff" on one disc so that I had a challenging CD to play along to. And a single CD to travel with. And so on. Cheers, - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 07:35:48 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: boom boom P. Henry posted: > guess I'm weird but not only do I not see > anything even remotely phallic about the term > "boom boom pachyderm" ....[snip] Embarrassed to 'fess up to this but we (the boys only of course) used to have a joke in high school where we'd say "Hey, want to see a one-eared elephant?" The joke then was to turn one pocket inside-out, unzip, and make as if to "whip it out", stopping of course before having to expose anything too embarrassing. (Why am I blushing as I type this?) Joni may never have heard this one but I don't doubt she had some sort of double-entendre in mind. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 07:43:22 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: My thoughts about the Clarkston, MI gig Valerie So sorry to hear the Detroit show was damaged by a late planes and a rude audience. What is with O'Hare anyway? It seems there are always problems with that airport. I'm confused as to the setlist you described though. You say BSN was her last song but then talk about her intro to FTR. Could you clarify if/how she deviated from the previous shows? I will repeat again that I have never been in a better audience than the one in Chicago. They were absolutely perfect. Sure, there were a few folks who left early but they did so quietly and respectfully as far as I could tell. Although I didn't hear anything, a few from our group heard complaints about wanting to hear old stuff. (You can't please them all...there's always somebody calling you down) The majority of the audience however, was still in their seats till the very end. Phyliss valerie cullin wrote: > Because the concert started so late and at that venue there is a law that > all > concerts MUST end at 11pm sharp or else the artist pays one thousand dollars > for every minute over 11pm she hardly took a break. About ten minutes then > continued on with the three last songs on the program. Her final one, Both > Sides Now, was very good and the crowd kind of settled down and listened > intently on that one. Then, you could tell, as she said a few minutes > later, that she was "shaking off the airplane air conditioning she had to > endure while sitting on the runway" and perked up a little bit and sang > Hejira and For the Roses to end the evening. I know she would have > continued longer had it not been 11:05. She already owed the venue an extra > five grand so I don't blame her for quitting. But, I can't help but wonder > what of her songs she would have sang next. I can't say I felt "jipped" > because just to see her at all is the best thing in the world so.....life > goes on. > > As we were leaving I was listening to the comments of people around us and > most were complaints about her selection of songs. They wanted ALL classic > Joni. One blowhard even commented that it was " a wasted two hours of his > time" Dude, do us all a favor, stay home next time you fairweather fan. > Sorry, Motley Crue wasn't opening for ya! Or was it the Ozfest you were > looking for......I would say half the people or more missed the whole point > of her choice of music for the tour: to constantly evolve in your music > and WITH your music.....as she said to the crowd before she sang For the > Roses...don't sell out, stay true to your music. She said if you sell out > then everyone will follow....be the one who stands out in the crowd and > rises above ...pour your simple sorrow to the soundhole on your knee...make > up your tunes for love.....not for parties for the press...ok she didn't say > the last part i just added that in but...she did say the first part and the > crowd did their usual casual applauding of yes, we agree...then completely > didn't get the point of what she just did for two hours.....typical > suburbanite yuppies..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 11:06:07 +0000 From: "valerie cullin" Subject: This whole thing about Judy Collins... Is driving me mad! Let's give Collins a break for a minute. Let's look at it from a gracious performer's standpoint who has an ounce of professional courtesy. Maybe Judy felt that she did not want to steel any of Joni's thunder for the evening and graciously stayed out of the spotlight. We all know 80% of what we read about celebrities is pure bunk anyway. Think for a moment: Would Judy Collins actually publicly trash Joni and still show up at any bashes commemorating the evening? The woman has not said a word about Joni in thirty years why would she start now? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 16:08:37 +0100 From: catman Subject: TNT My copy of the TNT Tibute arrived this morning thanks to Mike Friedman. First of all, I think if I lived in the USA I would not bother with a tv. All those blasted ads! I couldn't believe how many there were. I thought our tv was bad enough, although we have two BBC channels with no ads. I tend to record anything else so as to whizz thru the ads. Also got quite a surprise at the drug adverts and the religious ones, which are not allowed here. they have loosened up on that recently but not to the extent I saw on this tape. thank God. Now for the show itself: I didn't care for Raised On Robbery at all. I thought it an odd choice for a duet and didn't like Wynona's voice on this. However, i did likke her very much on her solo song which I have already forgotten which song it was. Shawn Colvin and Mary Chapin Carpenter i liked very much. Their voices were good. Amelia was especially good. A real melancholy song. I am going to bed in a minute and will be taking Hejira with me. Cindy Lauper-took a while to get into but decide I really liked it. kd lang-alos liked this. great voice. About her clothes-could see nothing wrong with them at all. Cyndi wasn't exactly dressed either. however, I will say about both of them is that they could have done their hair! Casandra wilson-hated the song but then I am not a fan of Mingus. However, what a truly beautiful voice! Please tell me she sings something than jazz. I really loved her voice. Diana Krull-listened for a short time and whizzed thru. didn't touch me. Well okay it did touch me but the same way a pneumatic drill does. Sweet Honey On a Rock or was it sweet Bird on The Honey rock. something anyway. yes, liked that. \like that type of thing anyhow. I thought the diction was bad tho. James Taylor, Richard Thompson and Elton-I gave them a try. male voice does nothing for me at all tho if I had to listen it would be to James. I thought Richard was terible and never have liked Elton except for his Song For Guy. Joni looked really happy. She obviously holds a special place still for james, who i thought was looking quite handsome. when she got up on stage herself, i thought the way she came one, nervously holding her dress and fiddling with it was sweet. I really enjoyed the BSN version she did. Again melancholy. The finale would have been really good had they not put the credits over it and then cut it dead. Idiots. For the Richard and Diana Krull fans just remember we can't all appreciate the same things so please don't slag me off for my opinion. Had enough of that for my dislike of HM's voice on BSN the album. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 16:16:06 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: This whole thing about Judy Collins... I am amazed this is still going on. Not only did I post a mail from Judy on this but the woman herself posted to the list yesterday about this. I guess that means she is on the list and getting the mail. I thought she was gracious to even respond to all this. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 08:20:53 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: TNT Tribute/Ian and Sylvia Paul I wrote: >As for Thompson, I >thought I heard he was a last minute replacement for some other band. Only on "Woodstock". He was always scheduled on the show. Why? His band, Fairport Convention, covered numerous Joni songs, starting in (help me, Paul C!) 1966? With "Eastern Rain"? And Pat Henry wrote: >Ian and Sylvia? (are they still around?) Around, not together. They both are still recording and performing. Ian has a ranch in western Canada, and his songs are mostly cowboy oriented these days. He tours infrequently, but puts on an excellent show. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:24:57 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #299 Hi everyone! My e-mail has been down for about a month but it's finally working again and I'm so glad to be back on the list. I missed you guys! And I went to the concert in NYC on the 22nd and thought I would just sob for the rest of my life. It eventually stopped. Has anyone else noticed that sometimes you can see Joni so much more clearly with a few tears in your eyes? Anyway, I wanted to put in my two cents about the "dissing" conversation. In a message dated 6/1/00 3:27:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << hmmmm... actually you make an excellent point... hadn't really thought of it but now that you mention it, not only Collins and Rush but how about Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young... >> I'm fairly certain that CSNY was doing their own concert tour in the tri-state area right around April 6, the night of the taping of the Joni Tribute because I was invited by someone to see them just a couple of nights before in NJ. I don't know if they actually had a show on April 6, but it might explain their absence. Glad to be back, Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:23:32 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: TNT I won't slag you off, as you say, for your opinion of the music since I'm quite a fan DK and wasn't knocked out by her rendition of 'A Case of You' but for the misspelling of her name you should be locked up. ;^) Krull? My God it sounds like a fish! catman wrote: > For the Richard and Diana Krull fans just remember we can't all > appreciate the same things so please don't slag me off for my opinion. > Had enough of that for my dislike of HM's voice on BSN the album. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:32:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: dumb concert posts - --- Mark Domyancich wrote: > There should be a disclaimer: > > "Joni will not be playing the dulcimer, guitar, > piano, will not be > seen with Bob Dylan, James Taylor, Johnny Cash, Pete > Seeger, Tom > Jones or Van Morrison and will not be singing > anything remotely known > to the general public, aging hippies or Presidents > of the United > States. Thank you." > > At 9:09 PM -0400 5/31/00, Deb Messling wrote: > >Kee-ripes! Imagine being so clueless that you'd > plunk down $75 in > >hopes of seeing James!!! sing along with her. How come all these lost-in-a-time-warp *fans* get to go to these concerts anyway? It's just not FAIR! [stomping my feet in pre-tantrum mode]. I mean, seriously, are there really people out there who have so much money that they can just *decide* to take in a concert by never-mind-who - because they sure as hell don't seem clued-in enough to even notice who's doing the concert or what they've been up to for the last, oh, 20 yrs or so? Do they go to concerts every week the way some people watch TV for hours on end, no matter what crap is on?? What do they do for a living? I'm really curious but then, maybe I don't REALLY want to know - it might be too scary! Jeez, I think I'm going to go back and re-read all the poems I wrote when I was 15 - it sounds like there could be a market for this... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 17:34:44 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: TNT How is it spelt then- DK? Diana DK doesn't look right. "Ken (slarty)" wrote: > > I won't slag you off, as you say, for your opinion of the music since I'm > quite a fan DK and wasn't knocked out by her rendition of 'A Case of You' > but for the misspelling of her name you should be locked up. ;^) > Krull? My God it sounds like a fish! > catman wrote: > > > For the Richard and Diana Krull fans just remember we can't all > > appreciate the same things so please don't slag me off for my opinion. > > Had enough of that for my dislike of HM's voice on BSN the album. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:56:12 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: This whole thing about Judy Collins... In a message dated 6/1/00 11:20:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << I am amazed this is still going on. Not only did I post a mail from Judy on this but the woman herself posted to the list yesterday about this. I guess that means she is on the list and getting the mail. I thought she was gracious to even respond to all this. >> Stephen, here, climbing back up on the soapbox one more time. I agree completely with you that it was very gracious of Judy to post a response on the JMDL. To me this is proof positive of the type of person that she is: IMHO, Judy demonstrated that she has no reason to diss Joni and that she didn't (why else would she bother to set the record straight?). I sometimes wonder why some JMDLers are so threatened by Judy (I can understand--but not agree with--someone not liking Judy as a singer or songwriter. Taste in music is personal. But the putdowns bother me. Judy Collins has led a remarkable life and has done much good in terms of the social actoivism that she has done and in writing very honestly about her life and the personal problems she has dealt with. I applaud Judy for who she is. She has been a real hero to me since my teens. I wish there were more people like her in the world.) Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:14:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: TNT - --- "Ken (slarty)" wrote: > I won't slag you off, as you say, for your opinion > of the music since I'm > quite a fan DK and wasn't knocked out by her > rendition of 'A Case of You' > but for the misspelling of her name you should be > locked up. ;^) > Krull? My God it sounds like a fish! > catman wrote: Now, hold on just a sec there, Ken - isn't Krull the name of some evil dude in science fiction or video games? If not, it should be... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:18:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: New Orleans Jonifest - --- "James L. Leonard" wrote: > Wow, Jimmy, thanks for the post. Thanks to Bob and > everybody else for their > reports, too. (I think Bob is only beginning chapter > three.) > > I'm *really* kicking myself for not getting it > together to meet all of you > there. I love New Orleans (understatement), I love > Joni's music (another > understatement), and I know I'd love getting to know > all of you, and > listening to JMDLers perform. Oh bloody hell, me too, me TOO! I tellya, New Orleans is on my list of places I really, really, REALLY want to see one day (before I die, I hope!) (The others are San Francisco, the Greek islands, Hong Kong and there are a few others, but these are places I've never been to and really want to!) Michael and Freda sound like WONDERFUL people and it sounds like everyone who attended had a blast! Some day, when I win the big one, I'm going to do a tour of the Joni-world. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #226 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?