From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #225 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, June 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 225 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Devil's interval in Joni's and Jimi's music [Bounced Message ] Re: kingpin [catman ] Re: E-Center ["Claudia SanSoucie" ] No Medleys! [Steve Dulson ] Re: joe, new to list - concerts/internet - jc ["joseph tischner" ] Re: No Medleys! [catman ] Joni photo from New York magazine [Deb Messling ] Re: Hejira Anonymous ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: E-Center [Deb Messling ] Re: No Medleys! [Steve Dulson ] RE: Hejira Anonymous ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: Hejira Anonymous [Linda Worster ] Re: Hejira Anonymous [catman ] Re: joni dissed by judy collins? ["P. Henry" ] dumb concert posts [Deb Messling ] To New Orleans and Chicago then back again [Phyliss Ward ] Re: joe, new to list - concerts/internet - jc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: joni dissed by judy collins? ["P. Henry" ] Re: joni dissed by judy collins? ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: joni dissed by judy collins? ["P. Henry" ] Re: Hejira Anonymous [RandyRemote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:52:46 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Devil's interval in Joni's and Jimi's music Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:05:31 +0100 From: souzoukakia mark wrote: >Hey everyone, I can't remember if anyone came to >the conclusion about what chord Joni was talking >about when she said the 'devil's chord,' but in >the report I did on Joni for my Music Apprecation >class, my teacher called it a diminished 5th. Someone already replied along these lines - but I think the concept of a "devil's interval" is more established than a "devil's chord". I'm pretty sure it's the diminished 5th (or flat 5th - i.e a gap of 6 semitones/halfsteps) that was named the "devil's interval". I think when Joni refers to it in her music, what happens is that the root of the chord drops by the "devil's interval" - it is this change that is unexpected, strange etc ... I don't think the chord that she plays contains the flat 5th, it's the drop in the chord that counts (if i remember right!), i.e you have something like Bm going to F - the F - B jump is the unexpected or even devilish interval. Pat wrote: > interestingly also associated with hendrix is >the primary chord (dis-chord?) from 'purple haze' >which I have heard some refer to as 'the devil's >chord' as well. > >and here's the text: > >There's a strange-sounding chord that many of us >associate with "Purple Haze." > > The chord itself is usually called a >"seven-sharp-nine." The intro to Purple Haze *does* contain the "devils' interval" - - the first few notes played by guitar and bass sound somewhat "out of tune" - this is the devil's interval at work! The 7#9 chord mentioned above is something different though. It's also used in purple haze (and many other Hendrix songs, hence the name "Hendrix chord") - but it's separate from the devil's interval. Howard W. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:46:17 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Hejira Anonymous Don strikes it again. Thanks Don. On a different but realted note, do we all go through phases of playing a particular album over and over? I know I do. I did it with TI and NRH and some carly ones too. so which ones do you all play to death? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:49:19 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: kingpin Erin-that is how I have always understood the song. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:02:03 -0400 From: "Claudia SanSoucie" Subject: Re: E-Center Silly me, thought I could get away with not seeing JM on this tour. But now that I've had the most fabulous time of my life _ all inspired by the biggest musical influence in my life _ how could I live with myself, if I wouldn't still give it a shot. ANYBODY out there that has a ticket left unclaimed???? Please e-mail me so my heart doesn't stop beating Friday night! claud9 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:10:57 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: No Medleys! Catherine M. Sullivan, reviewing the Chicago show on jm.com, wrote: >Maybe in the encore Joni can add a medley of ....California, Big Yellow >Taxi, >Twisted, etc. and then the fans would all walk away happy! Aaaaaaaaagh!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a terrible idea! I love Ray Davies and The Kinks almost as much as Siquomb, but I *hate* having to hear "Waterloo Sunset" reduced to a verse and a chorus, in the middle of a medley. What an awful fate for great songs. I don't think Joni would *ever* stoop to that...but I'm appalled that anyone would think she should. As Bill the cat used to say: Pbththththt! ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:23:36 EDT From: "joseph tischner" Subject: Re: joe, new to list - concerts/internet - jc Hi guys, I don't know what it is, but I think that my whole being is so linked to Joni right now that I'm almost scared of the consequences. (Then again, it's could just be coincidence!!) Anyway, about that TNT shirt... After seeing the TNT tribute and not having yet heard BSN, I went into Tower Records in, of all places, Massapequa L.I., to FINALLY get the CD a few days later. I walked up to the counter with BSN and WTRF (my favorite!!!) in hand, and I see the t-shirt behind the counter on a torso mannequin. When I asked about it-and the fact that it was autographed, the counter person said someone in the store was just fooling around and signed Joni's name. "And the shirt's not for sale". I pressed on about the small stack behind the counter. (IN THIS WORLD, FOLKS, YA GOTTA HAVE BALLS! I'VE JUST COME TO THIS CONCLUSION, BECAUSE WITHOUT EM, YOU'RE DESTINED TO GO T-SHIRTLESS.) So, one guy asks another, and the second replies, "they get a free t-shirt if they buy the new cd." To which I screamed, "I'll take it!" What a stack of about 5 Joni Mitchell TNT tribute t-shirts were doing at the Massapequa Tower the day I went in to buy BSN, I don't know. But I think there's something about kindred spirits that I'm latching onto... So the shirt remained folded in my dresser for well over a month, until the day of the Wallingford show. On which I VERY proudly wore it for the first time-and maybe the last.......... So, that's my t-shirt story. Has anyone delved into the subject of "JONI SONGS YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH WITHOUT AT LEAST ONE BIG BOO HOO"? OK, I'll start: First, and foremost, The Circle Game. Anyone who's in middle age (or approaching) and has children who've grown so fast, like the turn of a page, has got to get misty eyed. Likewise, Chinese Cafe. Which takes me to college days in upstate NY, and the very strong friendships that were made, that are now all but gone. And the heavy drinking we did in those dark cafe days, hearing Joni on the bar radio on CHOM out of Montreal. (We, like most of you, even appreciated her as 18 year old punks.) And, Little Green. Especially because of Joni's loss. But also for all the loss that I and my family and friends have endured all these years. So, what about ya'll? (i have a little confession that i want to share...you know how i received my copy of HOSL? it was a goodbye present from dear bethy from the aforementioned college, upon my ass being booted out of it...) i'm not gonna tell ya why...................... >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: patrickl@bway.net, bozjojo@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: joe, new to list - concerts/internet - jc >Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:19:05 EDT > >In a message dated 5/29/00 10:10:53 AM US Central Standard Time, >patrickl@bway.net writes: > ><< joe, however was wearing a fantastic long-sleeved white t-shirt from the >tnt > tribute. i didn't know such a thing existed. the only negative emotion >i > experienced at that concert was green jealousy over joe's t-shirt! > >> > >Hi Patrick (who SHOULD HAVE BEEN in N.O.), > >That shirt was also worn by the gracious & debonair Paz, it was a giveaway >for those who attended the press party after the TNT Tribute show... > >Bob > >NP: Stevie, "Saturn" ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:29:58 EDT From: SAVtheWAVE@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira Anonymous Don, I am afraid of what may happen to me after reading your post. I am already up to two times a day with Hejira. "Help me, I think i'm falling, in love again...." (with this album). Any cures? What's the prognosis? Is it bad? Is there an antidote? Joe (in Rhode Island) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:38:29 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: No Medleys! She also writes: >She looked great and does justice to the Torch Songs of Etta James >real and the genre. However, she needs to incorporate more of the >Blue Album and Court & Spark into the act. After all, that's what >the fans are there to see and hear! What makes her think that? If she had any clue as to what Joni has been doing in the past few years she would have enjoyed the concert much more. I don't think anything from Blue or C&S could have worked in the set anyway. I wonder if these people were active listers here they wouldn't feel like they got ripped off. NP-Grateful Dead-8/27/72 Veneta, OR At 3:10 PM -0700 5/31/00, Steve Dulson wrote: >Catherine M. Sullivan, reviewing the Chicago show on jm.com, wrote: > >>Maybe in the encore Joni can add a medley of ....California, Big Yellow >>Taxi, >Twisted, etc. and then the fans would all walk away happy! > >Aaaaaaaaagh!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a terrible idea! I love Ray Davies >and The Kinks almost as much as Siquomb, but I *hate* having >to hear "Waterloo Sunset" reduced to a verse and a chorus, in the >middle of a medley. What an awful fate for great songs. I don't >think Joni would *ever* stoop to that...but I'm appalled that >anyone would think she should. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:50:41 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: No Medleys! I don't think anything from Blue or C&S could have worked > in the set anyway. i thought she had included A Case Of You. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:56:59 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Joni photo from New York magazine Here's the beautiful picture of Joni in the May 29 issue of New York magazine: http://www.enter.net/~messling/newyorkmag.html Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:05:59 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Hejira Anonymous don, catman, et. al, i am currently in the middle of a DJRD obsession. my problems with hejira were so bad that i had to loan my cd to a friend (which i never do). he is safely "looking after it" for me. ;-) alison e. in slc. np: richard schindell, somewhere near patterson catman wrote: >Don strikes it again. Thanks Don. > >On a different but realted note, do we all go through phases of playing >a particular album over and over? I know I do. I did it with TI and NRH >and some carly ones too. > >so which ones do you all play to death? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:01:02 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: E-Center The last I looked, there were tickets available through Ticketmaster, albeit crappy ones. But why don't you just show up? You may be able to scarf up a ticket from someone who belatedly discovered that Joni wasn't planning to sing "Circle Game," or from people who couldn't get their inflated prices on Ebay. >Silly me, thought I could get away with not seeing JM on this tour. But now >that I've had the most fabulous time of my life _ all inspired by the >biggest musical influence in my life _ how could I live with myself, if I >wouldn't still give it a shot. ANYBODY out there that has a ticket left >unclaimed???? Please e-mail me so my heart doesn't stop beating Friday >night! claud9 Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:52:59 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: No Medleys! Mark wrote: >She also writes: > >>However, she needs to incorporate more of the >>Blue Album and Court & Spark into the act. After all, that's what >>the fans are there to see and hear! > >What makes her think that? If she had any clue as to what Joni has >been doing in the past few years she would have enjoyed the concert >much more. ... >I wonder if these people were active listers here they wouldn't feel >like they got ripped off. I guess she knows what the fans want. :) Maybe *we're* not fans. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 00:49:22 -0700 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Hejira Anonymous > Hi, I'm Don ... and I'm a Hejiraholic. Thank god - I'm not alone. I was beginning to despair. Getting slightly nearer the truth: I've lost my compilation CD of Hejira plus all the good stuff from DJRD. Just now, at this point in my life, this is bad. I need that music... it's like a security blanket when (relationship-style) things go pear-shaped. ("...just how close to the bone and the skin and the eyes and the lips you can get, and still feel so alone...") Umm, I can't think how to end this posting, so I think I'll ju ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:57:46 -0400 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: Hejira Anonymous At 10:46 PM 05/31/2000 +0100, catman wrote: >Don strikes it again. Thanks Don. > >so which ones do you all play to death? > > hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira hejira...... well... you get the picture Linda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:10:06 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Hejira Anonymous > > well... you get the picture I am not certain i do understand you. i'm rather slow you know. Do you like Hejira then? > > Linda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:56:27 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni dissed by judy collins? Howard wrote: >maybe she wasn't asked becuz Joni was singing, and reclaiming it as her own for once and for all, Both Sides Now herself--and that would have been the only obvious thing for Ms. Collins to sing.> an excellent point, howard. I like the part about reclaiming it... it brings to mind to wonder how many clueless are now, at this late date, going: "what? you mean to tell me Joni Mitchell wrote that?!?" LoL!!! cheers, pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:09:15 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: dumb concert posts As long as we're talking about insipid concert reviews, did folks catch this comment on the Boston show? >Just returned from the show! Why is it... Joni is so cold to her real >fans! So sad!!!! I was there >only in hopes to see James!!! sing along with her... it's really no wonder >why he didn't show >up... she was so rude to her long time fans! I would never attend another >Joni Concert again in >my life! Sorry... she just doesn't care about folks! She better than >you... not better than me >though! The END! > >P.S. I sat 2nd row Center! Saw it all... Kee-ripes! Imagine being so clueless that you'd plunk down $75 in hopes of seeing James!!! sing along with her. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:09:52 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: To New Orleans and Chicago then back again I returned to California this afternoon and have been skimming through a weeks worth of email and snail mail and wondering how I will come down from this amazing trip. I'm so tired right now I may crash hard but I felt I had to post at least some of my thoughts. Midway through Sunday night's tribute I told Kakki that I wished I had a computer to go online. I would just post: " UN F--K--G BELIEVABLE!!!" and leave it at that. Although I DID go to college, I still don't know if I can say it any better than that. Paz - You are THE MAN! This was my first Joni-Fest and I can't imagine it ever being topped. From the Thursday night coffee shop hopping with Victor to Tuesday night dinner at KPaul's with Marcel, truly a trip to cherish. Oh, and Paz, the Birthday Dinnner Party you threw for me Friday night with 30 some odd of my newest friends was a gourmet feast and a pleasure. (Even the math was kinda fun ; - ) I've never had Happy Birthday sung to me 6 times in one day but when you start at a restaurant at midnight the night before and you end it at the elite House of Blues Foundation Room, hobnobbing with the rich and famous, and you are surrounded by such amazing musicians, amazing things happen. Victor - I really MUST have the lyrics to Happy F--k--g Birthday! Post soon please. To all my new up close and personal friends - It was such a pleasure to meet each caring, loving and intelligent one of you. But despite all the wonderful people and food, the tribute at the Howlin Wolf was truly a night I will never forget. I've never seen so many talented musicians at one time! They were all singing Joni songs. They were all unique and original in their interpretations, from Jazz to Celtic. And they all exuded love for Siquomb! I kept thinking the next act couldn't possibly be as good and they just kept blowing my mind! This concert began at 8 PM and didn't end till close to 3 AM and I was totally engaged the the whole time. What blows my mind is how talented so many of them were yet none of them were really famous, except maybe Jason Marsalis. I really left there wondering if seeing Joni in Chicago on my way home would be anticlimatic. No need to worry! From our 4th row center seats, Coyote and I were absolutely mesmerized. Joni was totally on. I thought she was so much better than in L. A. where she was wonderful. The audience was the best I have ever been a part of. They alternatenated between being totally quiet and respectful and applauding, hooping and hollering where appropriate. I began a conversation with the woman sitting by herself on my left. It turns out she was Peter Erskine's ex-grilfriend and had been able to see the rehearsal that afternoon. She seemed to be very versed in orchestral music and kept saying how strong and beautiful Joni's voice was and how sophisticated and complex Vince Mendoza's arrangements were. I asked her if she knew how Joni's health was holding out on the tour and she said she seemed to be doing very well and was eating Tibetan berries for therapeutic reasons. Hmmm, research may be in order here... Meeting the Chicago group was a pleasure too. Laura and Jody are just as sweet as they seem online and I won't try to name all the other folks I met as I am fading fast. A good night's sleep is in order. Early to bed and back to reality in the morning. Wow, Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:12:47 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: dumb concert posts There should be a disclaimer: "Joni will not be playing the dulcimer, guitar, piano, will not be seen with Bob Dylan, James Taylor, Johnny Cash, Pete Seeger, Tom Jones or Van Morrison and will not be singing anything remotely known to the general public, aging hippies or Presidents of the United States. Thank you." At 9:09 PM -0400 5/31/00, Deb Messling wrote: >Kee-ripes! Imagine being so clueless that you'd plunk down $75 in >hopes of seeing James!!! sing along with her. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:17:18 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joe, new to list - concerts/internet - jc << So, that's my t-shirt story.>> And a damn fine one too, I'll add! Way to go for it, Joe! << So, what about ya'll? >> Circle Game gets me, too, for the same reasons you mention. Ethiopia alwats makes me cry - so sad. But the one that really makes me lose it is hearing Paz singing Hejira. Don't take my word for it, ask the listers that were stuck sitting next to me at the Howlin' Wolf! Bob NP: Sam Cooke, "The Great Pretender" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:32:23 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni dissed by judy collins? Reuben asserted: >she (Judy) has always come across as very gracious and warm, and not even slightly catty. I know that people are people, but this one just doesn't ring true with me. I imagine that these comments were quoted out of context.> I would agree and, to be honest, I didn't take these comments as all that 'catty' anyway... I can understand why she was not included in a celebration where the main theme is that song but, from her perspective I can certainly see feeling a bit put off as it was she who made the song famous and she didn't, after all, steal the song, now, did she? it's clearly just a conflict of interest about which, as Joni might put it, 'nothing can be done'... *tongue planted firmly in cheek* >I think that a lot of us JMDLers would agree that the comments attributed to Judy sould a lot like something Joni would say herself if the situation were reversed. She's made a side- career of sour graping.> I don't necessarily agree here, reuben. yes Joni can be quite critical but I don't think I've ever heard her regret or grouse about Judy ot her recording of BSN. (pls correct me if I'm wrong... I don't know everything) I've seen a lot of listers wax kinda negative about Judy and I really can't see it... her recording of BSN is a classic and introduced MANY to Joni who wouldn't have otherwise heard of her until C$S... I would agree with many that Joni always sang it better but, being a friend of Joni's at the time it came out, having been friends since well before her first recording and, naturally, hoping the best for her career, it was really great that someone got a hit with her song and exposed so many to her music! I don't think of either of them as being 'indebted' to the other, nor do I think either has any call to be embittered. all that said, I would hasten to add that I have always felt that Joni could have made that hit record herself and, quite frankly, I wish she had. I can't really speak on tnt as I have no first hand knowledge, having not even heard one recording from it, but as for Ms. Collins' comments, without the coloring provided by the article's author, actually they seemed to me to be simply matter of fact and nothing more: >"No one called - not Joni, nor the producers," Collins told Friedman at Mitchell's Monday night Madison Square Garden concert.> oh! she said this *at the MSG concert*... well, that sure sounds like she was upset... NOT! >"And I made a bundle of money for her when I did 'Both Sides Now.'"> betcha dollars to donuts these two statements were not part of the same sentence as the author attempts to present them, but were, as you say, taken out of context. it's a simple statement of fact. she *did* make Joni a bundle! that dowsn't mean she has bad feelings about it! this is the kind of word twisting I hate! it's just dishonest! >Asked to appraise Mitchell's shaky performance of standards off her new album,> note how this is couched... it seems to say that JC said the performance was shaky but in fact is the opinion of the author. (who, btw, doesn't get it!) >Collins commented, "Don't ask me about that."> it's not surprising she said this as it is obvious Ms. Collins is not a fan of this type of music, hence, 'don't ask me, I couldn't venture an opinion... I don't even like this type of music'... again, no ill will. 'nuff said, pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:38:39 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: joni dissed by judy collins? I just wanted to point out that Judy Collins could have sung "Chelsea Morning," another of Joni's songs she recorded very early on (even before Joni did). As it was, it was sung at the tribute by Colvin and Carpenter, whom had another opportunity to shine - on "Amelia." Judy easily could have been featured on the tribute without needing to perform "Both Sides Now." Judy also recorded "Michael From Mountains" in the early years (late '60s), and could have performed that. She might even have chosen a song she'd always admired, but had never recorded. I, for one, would have been very happy to see her, and Tom Rush, on the tribute. It would have made more sense to include them (people who were instrumental in helping Joni begin to reach a wide audience) than some of the others, many with a tenuous-at-best connection to Joni. "Boston Jim" > > Howard wrote: > >maybe she wasn't asked becuz Joni was singing, > and reclaiming it as her own for once and for > all, Both Sides Now herself--and that would have > been the only obvious thing for Ms. Collins to > sing.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:10:15 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: joni dissed by judy collins? In a message dated 5/31/00 10:45:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: << I just wanted to point out that Judy Collins could have sung "Chelsea Morning," another of Joni's songs she recorded very early on (even before Joni did). As it was, it was sung at the tribute by Colvin and Carpenter, whom had another opportunity to shine - on "Amelia." Judy easily could have been featured on the tribute without needing to perform "Both Sides Now." >> No, she could NOT have sung "Chelsea Morning," partly for the same reason she could not sing "Both Sides Now" at the tribute concert, plus the fact that Hillary and Bill and much of the rest of the musically ignorant public ALREADY thought "Chelsea Morning" was Judy's song and not Joni's. Allowing Judy to sing either of those sings would have perpetuated that myth. Furthermore, it seems that the theme of the tribute concert was to show how Joni and her songs influenced the NEXT generation of singer/songwriters, not to rehash the success of people who already had helped introduce or covered Joni's songs. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:22:51 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: joni dissed by judy collins? I disagree, Paul. What better way to set the record straight as to whose song "Chelsea Morning" is than to perform it in a program of Joni Mitchell songs? And, as far as the theme of the tribute being Joni's influence on the next generation of singer/songwriters, aren't James Taylor, Richard Thompson and Elton John her contemporaries...as are Judy Collins and Tom Rush? I saw no evidence of such a "theme." "Boston Jim" > In a message dated 5/31/00 10:45:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > << I just wanted to point out that Judy Collins could have sung "Chelsea > Morning," another of Joni's songs she recorded very early on (even before > Joni did). As it was, it was sung at the tribute by Colvin and Carpenter, > whom had another opportunity to shine - on "Amelia." Judy easily could have > been featured on the tribute without needing to perform "Both Sides Now." > >> > No, she could NOT have sung "Chelsea Morning," partly for the same reason she > could not sing "Both Sides Now" at the tribute concert, plus the fact that > Hillary and Bill and much of the rest of the musically ignorant public > ALREADY thought "Chelsea Morning" was Judy's song and not Joni's. > Allowing Judy to sing either of those sings would have perpetuated that myth. > Furthermore, it seems that the theme of the tribute concert was to show how > Joni and her songs influenced the NEXT generation of singer/songwriters, not > to rehash the success of people who already had helped introduce or covered > Joni's songs. > > Paul I > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:33:24 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: joni dissed by judy collins? In a message dated 5/31/00 11:30:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: << And, as far as the theme of the tribute being Joni's influence on the next generation of singer/songwriters, aren't James Taylor, Richard Thompson and Elton John her contemporaries...as are Judy Collins and Tom Rush? I saw no evidence of such a "theme." "Boston Jim" >> Well, in my opinion, James was out of place in this show. As for Thompson, I thought I heard he was a last minute replacement for some other band. And Elton pretty much begged his way onto the show. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:42:43 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: The Top Ten Dumbest Things Overheard at a Joni Mitchell Concert! It's time once again, ladies and gentlemen, for tonight's Top Ten List... (SFX: DRUMROLL) The Top Ten Dumbest Things Overheard at a Joni Mitchell Concert! (SFX: POLITE APPLAUSE) Are you ready, folks? (SFX: MORE APPLAUSE) Number Ten: "I bet I can get Joni to autograph my dulcimer..." (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Nine: "Play 'Ray's Dad's Cadillac,' Joni!" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Eight: "Didn't she name Chelsea Clinton?" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Seven: "At least she's not tuning the damn guitar..." (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Six: "Who's Larry Klein?" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Five: "No smoking!" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Four: "Just imagine how great Britney will be in 30 years!" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Three: "Didn't Judi Collins write that?" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Two: "Seventy guys on the stage -- and not one of them is James Taylor!" (SFX: APPLAUSE AND DRUMROLL) And the Number One Dumbest Things Overheard at a Joni Mitchell Concert: "If you want me I'll be in the car." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:46:25 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni dissed by judy collins? hmmmm... actually you make an excellent point... hadn't really thought of it but now that you mention it, not only Collins and Rush but how about Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young... and and Buffy St. Marie and Ian and Sylvia? (are they still around?) and others also, from later in her carreer. I really don't wish to offend any fans, but, at the risk of showing my considerable ignorance, (again) speaking of the 'tenuous-at- best connection to Joni', I have yet to figure out what about 80% of those people were doing there! pat - -- Boston Jim opined: >I just wanted to point out that Judy Collins could have sung "Chelsea Morning," another of Joni's songs she recorded very early on (even before Joni did). As it was, it was sung at the tribute by Colvin and Carpenter, whom had another opportunity to shine - on "Amelia." Judy easily could have been featured on the tribute without needing to perform "Both Sides Now." Judy also recorded "Michael From Mountains" in the early years (late '60s), and could have performed that. She might even have chosen a song she'd always admired, but had never recorded. I, for one, would have been very happy to see her, and Tom Rush, on the tribute. It would have made more sense to include them (people who were instrumental in helping Joni begin to reach a wide audience) than some of the others, many with a tenuous-at- best connection to Joni.> Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:50:35 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni dissed by judy collins? O... I C.... that makes sense. tanx, pat - ------------------------------------ >No, she could NOT have sung "Chelsea Morning," partly for the same reason she >could not sing "Both Sides Now" at the tribute concert, plus the fact that >Hillary and Bill and much of the rest of the musically ignorant public >ALREADY thought "Chelsea Morning" was Judy's song and not Joni's. > Allowing Judy to sing either of those sings would have perpetuated that myth. >Furthermore, it seems that the theme of the tribute concert was to show how >Joni and her songs influenced the NEXT generation of singer/songwriters, not >to rehash the success of people who already had helped introduce or covered >Joni's songs. > >Paul I > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:56:27 -0700 From: RandyRemote Subject: Re: Hejira Anonymous Chris Marshall wrote: > Getting slightly nearer the truth: I've lost my compilation > CD of Hejira plus all the good stuff from DJRD. Wait a sec....how can you fit Hejira and all the good stuff from DJRD on one disc? Puzzled, RR ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #225 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?