From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #214 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, May 27 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 214 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni's worst songs. [Richard Rice ] Re: Joni's worst songs. ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Who Wants to be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 1 [catman ] siresorrow [Kate ] putting away childish things [Howard Motyl ] Re: Lead Balloon ["Alison Einerson" ] Colin's Fascist Statement ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] the "mystery" of Hissing [B Merrill ] Re: siresorrow [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #285 ["Mike Hicks" ] Who Wants To Be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 2 [Don Rowe ] more on Metheny and Joni [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: Colin's Fascist Statement ["Jamie Zubairi" ] more on Metheny and Joni [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: Colin's Fascist Statement ["Alison Einerson" ] Least favourite Joni tunes [Catherine McKay ] Re: Guitarists -- need your advice! (SJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Colin's Fascist Statement ["Ken (slarty)" ] Re: putting away childish things [catman ] Re: Who Wants To Be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 2 [catman ] Chicago concert ["kerry" ] Least Favorite Songs ["kerry" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #285 [NoeysMaMa@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #285 [NoeysMaMa@aol.com] Re: the "mystery" of Hissing ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Pigeon-holing Joni ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Joni in the Detroit News ["cassy" ] Re: Pigeon-holing Joni ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #286 [NoeysMaMa@aol.com] Re: Joni Millionaire ["Susan L.A." ] (no subject) [NoeysMaMa@aol.com] JMDL Digest V2000 #286 [NoeysMaMa@aol.com] Re: Colin's Fascist Statement [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs ["mjf 2001" ] RE: more on Metheny and Joni, or One Man's Mortal is Another Man's Di (VLJC) ["mjf 2001" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:41:47 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Joni's worst songs. Joni's worst songs? Break out the microscopes. You guys have your work cut out for you. If you want dogs, don't look to her released material. The dogs pile lays in her early unrecorded material. Woo. Certainly some barkers there. She most certainly has changed! I marvel at her growth as a songwriter. From humble beginnings, "Empty, Try Another" is born. Bob, I am surprised you dislike Tiger Bones, or that anyone could. The track is purely meant as an instrumental. It is a haunting, ravashing piece of music. I assume she 'layed' it down and then sang the lyrics over it, or a similar take. Then looking back decided it was simply too beautiful to leave off the disk as it was. Thank god. I will love to own instrumental tracks of all of Joni's releases. The way Refuge of the Road drives to its radiant climax. Or to hear Hejira as an istrumental, wow... That would be sooooo cool. Is there a way to drop the vocals from a cd? Enough trashing "Talk to Me." I love the wit behind that one. It's Joni poking fun at her gift of gab. I recall in college, one roommate of mine hated that song. One afternoon he played THE perfect rejoiner to "Talk to Me." It was a blues piece entitled, "Your mind is on Vacation, and Your Mouth is working Overtime." I don't recall the artist, but played back to back, both songs instantly brought howls of laughter, no matter what the mood. Anyone heard of this ditty? John, not in Seattle. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:02:38 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Joni's worst songs. Hey, John. The song is by Mose Allison, one of the wittiest, tongue-in-cheek songwriters ever (and a great pianist)! :-) It was also recorded more recently by Van Morrison on a tribute CD to Mose called Tell Me Something: The Songs Of Mose Allison. If you liked "Your Mind Is On Vacation," you may want to get a 2-CD Mose retrospective called Allison Wonderland. You'll be on the floor laughing much of the time, I bet. Jim > One afternoon > he played THE perfect rejoiner to "Talk to Me." It was a blues piece > entitled, "Your mind is on Vacation, > and Your Mouth is working Overtime." I don't recall the artist, but > played back to back, both songs instantly brought howls of laughter, no > matter what the mood. > > Anyone heard of this ditty? > > John, not in Seattle. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:29:39 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Who Wants to be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 1 "James L. Leonard" wrote: > > Hey, Don. > > Is there really some money in this? :-) Can you also enter the "inner > circle" if you answer all the (very funny) questions correctly? it depends what your answer to these are: a: how low is your IQ? b: do you have a sense of humour? you won't win any money but you will get a gold star. > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:49:37 -0500 From: "Susan" Subject: Re: First Joni Concert >Well I am brand new to JMDL, but I went to my first Joni concert in January 1972. The show I attended was at the Arie Crown in Chicago. Being blind as a bat, I broke my glasses the day before the show! Luckily, someone else who was going with us to the concert was almost as blind as I and had a spare pair. Plus we were in the 8th row. Joni wore a double-breasted purple crushed velvet blazer and some flowy multi colored pants! This I remember just please don't ask about my short term memory. You are are right about the time line; after Blue and just before FTR was released. Very Cool! Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:45:08 -0600 From: Kate Subject: siresorrow pat: "and bob you have luther college, so you will understand that tim renyolds does these funny sounding things with his guitar." What Luther College are you talking about here? the one in Regina? the high school or the university? because you've got me wondering if there are some fellow high school alumni here ... Kate of the North ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:57:36 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: putting away childish things Beautifully put, Colin. I hear echoes of Corinthians 11 in your post. Thanks. Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:11:03 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Lead Balloon Me too!!! when I first got TTT, i thought man from mars was going to be my favorite, but then you get slapped in the face with "lead". I love it!! it's the most "rockin-ass" (to quote don/larry/chris) thing she's done in a great while, and it's refreshing and fun to listen to. as catman said, it's energy is wonderful. alison e. in slc. - ---------- >From: catman >To: Mike Hicks >Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #283 >Date: Fri, May 26, 2000, 10:06 AM > > > and someone may >> absolutely love this one. (who would that be)? >> Mike >> > >me. i like it's energy, her voice and it's petulance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:23:49 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Colin's Fascist Statement Yesterday a bunch of us were cutting up and Brian Gross wrote: > > NO NO > Not the *BLUE* pill !! > Don't you know what that will do?????? and in response, Colin wrote: yes-it will kill off the inner circle. This is the first fascist statement I have ever read on JMDL. To understand that this is hateful garbage and not humor, let me substitute the word "Jews" for "inner circle". If you make that substitution, yesterday's exchange becomes: Brian Gross wrote: > > NO NO > Not the *BLUE* pill !! > Don't you know what that will do?????? yes-it will kill off the Jews. Now Jim again. I ask you JMDLers. As reasonable people, is that funny? I do not think it's funny one bit. I think it is a fascist, hateful statement. I think it has no place on the JMDL. Other opinions? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:28:50 -0400 From: B Merrill Subject: the "mystery" of Hissing Hello, This is my first message to Joni-L. (And I've just subscribed, so I have no idea of what this list is up to, currently or in the past.) I'm a big fan of "Hissing." In the liner notes for Hissing, Joni writes: "This is a total work, conceived graphically, musically, lyrically and accidentally-- a whole.... The whole unfolded like a mystery. It is not my intention to unravel that mystery for anyone..." (Though she does provide some clues.) So, I've come onto Joni-L wondering: Has the "mystery" that Joni points to been "unravelled" by anyone? Is there now a consensus as to what the mystery is? Has the extent to which Hissing is a "total work...., conceived graphically, musically, lyrically and accidentally" been laid out, somewhere? (Definitively, or conjecturally.) I haven't ploughed through the various Joni web sites, not any of the myriad writing about Joni in search of this topic. As with this list, I am... "how-you-say?... a virgin...?" thanks in advance, Bruce M. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:43:08 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: siresorrow In a message dated 5/26/00 2:01:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, katej@connect.ab.ca writes: << What Luther College are you talking about here? the one in Regina? the high school or the university? because you've got me wondering if there are some fellow high school alumni here ... Kate of the North >> sorry kate of the north. it is the dave matthews and tim renyolds cd called Live at Luther College. now that may very well be in regina. ( imagine mixing up virginia and regina ) regina is in sascatchewan i believe. there is a steel mill there i am familiar with. and i know its the kind of place where you have to plug in your car battery over night to keep it warm. but i can't speak for the college. pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:08:44 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #285 > Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:44:06 -0400 (EDT) > From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #285 > Reply-to: joni@smoe.org > Pelham 125 or something. Tube's post and others in that Pelham 123. mh > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:53:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Who Wants To Be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 2 Okay we're back on "Who Wants To Be A Joni Millionaire". We lost a few contestants in that first round, but those who remain still have all their lifelines intact. So let's play ... DA-DA-DA-DA-DA-DA-DA-POOM! For $2000: One verse of Joni's classic "Big Yellow Taxi" was written by what other famous singer/songwriter: a. Ricky Martin b. Joe Walsh c. Bob Dylan d. Carlos Santana For $4000: Which of the following instruments has Joni Mitchell NEVER played on an album? a. Guitar b. Dulcimer c. Fairlight CMI d. Vibraphone For $6000: "Not To Blame" is a song reputably about which of the following men? a. OJ Simpson b. Jackson Browne c. Tommy Lee d. Tommy Lee Jones For $8000: Which legendary front man wanted to perform the song "Lakota" on a solo album? a. Frank Sinatra b. Sting c. Robert Plant d. George W. Bush For $16,000 What is the name of Joni's blackface character who appears on the album cover of "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter"? a. Colin Powell b. Rev. Al Sharpton c. Little Richard d. Art Nouveau And for $32,000 -- if you get this right, you're guaranteed to leave here with at least that much money: For $32,000: The song "The Windfall" was inspired by: a. A Waltzing Matilda b. A Whiling Dervish c. A Kicking Maid d. A Latin Lover Stay tuned, when we come back those who survive will be playing for $64,000! Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:04:16 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Talking to Pat Metheny about Joni In a message dated 5/26/00 10:19:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << He went into that project full of young wonder and total awe at the honor of working with Metheny, and ended up feeling shattered by the experience for a while. >> harper lou, wherever you have been for the last few months, has been good for you. this is beautiful and well understood. pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:11:38 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: siresorrow Luther College in Decorah, Iowa, which I think is somewhere in the western part of the state. Any guitarist should definitely check out Tim's stuff with Dave. NP-Grateful Dead, Melkweg 10/15/81 At 11:45 AM -0600 5/26/00, Kate wrote: >pat: > >"and bob you >have >luther college, so you will understand that tim renyolds does these >funny >sounding things with his guitar." > >What Luther College are you talking about here? the one in Regina? the >high school or the university? because you've got me wondering if there >are some fellow high school alumni here ... > >Kate of the North - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:22:48 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: more on Metheny and Joni Lou, thanks for sharing that account about Pat Metheny. It all reminds me of the story of the three blind men who grab different parts of an elephant and variously describe him as a snake, a rope and a wall. It's always seemed from various interviews that most everyone likes working with and socializing with Joni. Pat and Joni are both such geniuses and I wonder if he felt some resentment in having to subordinate his musicianship to her. Joni is a brilliant guitarist who has evolved a radical, highly individualistic style which has served her very well, but she has never had and will never have the amazing versatility of a guitarist like Pat Metheny. They are also very different in that Joni is a song writer/singer and Pat seldom ventures out of instrumentals. And on a similar note, I know that Joni worked with John McLaughlin (the other guitar genius in my pantheon of music deities) on MINGUS. Does anyone know what happened? Was anything ever recorded? And can you make me a copy of it? Please? - - Clark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:25:44 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Colin's Fascist Statement Can we not please put words into peoples mouths? Knowing a little about Colin after having met him, he is not likely to be a fascist. A quick wit, maybe and sometimes a little over the mark (sometimes) but a fascist? Please.... Jim, I seriously hope you weren't taking what Colin was saying seriously enough to really think this... I don't want to get into another flaming post situation, as I tend to avoid them like the plague but in Colin's defence, this is so unnecessary. The Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim L'Hommedieu To: _JMDL - June 98 Sent: 26 May 2000 19:23 Subject: Colin's Fascist Statement > Yesterday a bunch of us were cutting up and > Brian Gross wrote: > > > > NO NO > > Not the *BLUE* pill !! > > Don't you know what that will do?????? > > and in response, Colin wrote: > yes-it will kill off the inner circle. > > > This is the first fascist statement I have ever read on JMDL. To understand > that this is hateful garbage and not humor, let me substitute the word > "Jews" for "inner circle". If you make that substitution, yesterday's > exchange becomes: > > Brian Gross wrote: > > > > NO NO > > Not the *BLUE* pill !! > > Don't you know what that will do?????? > > yes-it will kill off the Jews. > > > Now Jim again. > I ask you JMDLers. As reasonable people, is that funny? > > I do not think it's funny one bit. I think it is a fascist, hateful > statement. I think it has no place on the JMDL. > Other opinions? > > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:25:35 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: more on Metheny and Joni Lou, thanks for sharing that account about Pat Metheny. It all reminds me of the story of the three blind men who grab different parts of an elephant and variously describe him as a snake, a rope and a wall. It's always seemed from various interviews that most everyone likes working with and socializing with Joni. Pat and Joni are both such geniuses and I wonder if he felt some resentment in having to subordinate his musicianship to her. Joni is a brilliant guitarist who has evolved a radical, highly individualistic style which has served her very well, but she has never had and will never have the amazing versatility of a guitarist like Pat Metheny. They are also very different in that Joni is a song writer/singer and Pat seldom ventures out of instrumentals. And on a similar note, I know that Joni worked with John McLaughlin (the other guitar genius in my pantheon of music deities) on MINGUS. Does anyone know what happened? Was anything ever recorded? And can you make me a copy of it? Please? - - Clark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:54:31 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Colin's Fascist Statement sorry, jim. i vehemently disagree. i think this is just another example of how difficult it is to gauge a person's humor/sarcasm/attitude through this strange electronic forum. colin is quite the wit, and this comment was simply emphasizing how ridiculous the idea of an "inner circle" on the jmdl is in the first place (catman, correct me if i'm wrong). i am sorry if you took offense to it, but i truly believe that colin would never spew hateful or fascist (!) comments of any kind. alison e. in slc. (that's salt lake city, utah, btw.) >I ask you JMDLers. As reasonable people, is that funny? > >I do not think it's funny one bit. I think it is a fascist, hateful >statement. I think it has no place on the JMDL. >Other opinions? > >All the best, >Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati >Yesterday a bunch of us were cutting up and >Brian Gross wrote: >> >> NO NO >> Not the *BLUE* pill !! >> Don't you know what that will do?????? > >and in response, Colin wrote: >yes-it will kill off the inner circle. > > >This is the first fascist statement I have ever read on JMDL. To understand >that this is hateful garbage and not humor, let me substitute the word >"Jews" for "inner circle". If you make that substitution, yesterday's >exchange becomes: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:34:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Least favourite Joni tunes Here's my list of least favourite Joni songs (having said that, even a least favourite Joni song is better than most non-joni songs!) The pirate of Penance The fiddle and the drum Roses Blue Rainy Night House The Priest Blue Boy Wild Things Run Fast Ladies' Man Solid Love You Dream Flat Tires Man To Man Fiction Tax Free Smokin' (Empty, Try Another) Shiny Toys Number One Dancin' Clown Snakes And Ladders The Reoccuring Dream Call me a heretic if you will, but I just don't like these 2 simply because they're just *so* done to death (Enough already with the paved paradise schtick!): Big Yellow Taxi Woodstock ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:40:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Guitarists -- need your advice! (SJC) - --- CarltonCT@aol.com wrote: > Anyway, I am wondering if the guitar players on the > list can tell me if there > is anything I can do about guitar squeaks. They can > be heard on Joni's > albums at times, especially as her style has a lot > of slides. Are squeaks > the mark of an amateur or, in the words of a song we > all know, "nothing can > be done?" > Well, call me weird, but I kind of like guitar squeaks. They're not the mark of an amateur - they just happen. There may be ways of cutting down on them somewhat, but to me, they add to the music somehow and I don't think there's much you can do to get rid of them - consider them percussion! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:55:10 -0500 From: "Susan" Subject: RE:Take me back to Chicago... and Detroit... > >tomorrow morn I leave Michigan my Michigan for Chicago, my hometown, for > my first place and beloved White Sox and our favorite Joni Mitchell. Hey Clark! Welcome back to the greatest city in the world! I may get to the show yet, but it's only about 50/50. Wish I had known or been in on the discussion list earlier to catch up with you Chicago Joniphiles! By the way I am a huge White Sox fan in a SCRUB town! Even though I am a north sider. Anyway, it will be nice to know that my city will be filling up with Joni fans this weekend and throughout the week. I will not have access all weekend, but if someone tells me where you'll all be hanging out Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, maybe I'll check it out! Tangent #1: On another note, last week I picked up yet another copy of Blue. It was cheap and you never know when you'll need it. After all, I have been through 2 copies on vinyl and 2 or 3 tapes (not 8 track!). So on the way to my local hang out, which does NOT play my kind of music for the most part, I thought "I am giving this CD to the bar." Occasionally on Sat or early evenings they will play jazz or (hate to use this term) easier listening 60's & 70's rock. I was very happy with my charitable decision. As I entered the bar, I fell into another dimension! I suddenly heard (without taking the cd out of the packaging) - "The Last Time I Saw Richard." I hadn't had anything to smoke , I couldn't quite comprehend the sound I was hearing. But Lo & Behold! My favorite bartender was playing "Blue!" So out of character! So wild, - so twilight zone - AGAIN! Just thought it was a funky little happening that totally blew my mind! It also happens to be the #1 song that the love of my life and I used to sing together. Unfortunately I lost that love of my life almost 2 years ago, but lately I really felt they are present and sending me good vibes! Good Weekends till Tuesday - Peace Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:11:56 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Who Wants To Be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 2 okay, don. i thought i was doing really well, and like, getting excited to quit my job... but-i lost already!!! i don't know the answer to any of these! i am guessing bob dylan i don't know what a Fairlight is and Sting. how did i do? alison e. in slc >One verse of Joni's classic "Big Yellow Taxi" was >written by what other famous singer/songwriter: > >a. Ricky Martin >b. Joe Walsh >c. Bob Dylan >d. Carlos Santana >Which of the following instruments has Joni Mitchell >NEVER played on an album? >a. Guitar >b. Dulcimer >c. Fairlight CMI >d. Vibraphone >Which legendary front man wanted to perform the song >"Lakota" on a solo album? > >a. Frank Sinatra >b. Sting >c. Robert Plant >d. George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:30:08 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: more on Metheny and Joni Carlton, I love the word "pantheon." OK everybody... Here you go, now it's official! OFFICIAL WORLD MUSIC PANTHEON ============================= Top Shelf Musical Deities: Ludwig von Beethoven, Joni Mitchell, Georg Frederic Handel, George Gershwin Standard Issue Deities: Felix Mendelssohn, Johann S. Bach, Duke Ellington, Miles Davis Minor virtuoso-level deities: Pieter Tchaikovsky, Michael Hedges, Jean-Pierre Rampal, Claude Bolling, Keith Jarrett, Chet Atkins, Jaco Pastorius Honorable-Mention Demigods: Maurice Ravel, Stevie Wonder, Billie Holiday, Herbie Hancock, Edith Piaf, Burton Cummings, Charles Mingus, Phil Ochs, Harpo Marx Second Cousins to Demigods: Igor Stravinsky, Lennon & McCartney, Paul Simon, Bonnie Raitt, Odetta, Ray Charles, John McLaughlin, David Lanz, Pat Metheny, Kate Bush Unicorns, Flying Horses and other Magical Beasts: Johann Pachelbel, Enrico Caruso, Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Annie Lennox, Dolly Parton, Louis Armstrong, Sam Cooke, Gato Barbieri, Rick Wakeman Centaurs, Minotaurs and other Minor Beasts: Johannes Brahms, Ian Anderson, Stevie Nicks, Eric Clapton, Dinah Shore, Harry Belafonte, Cat Stevens, Woody Guthrie, Barbra Streisand, Charles Aznavour, Maynard Ferguson Mere mortals: Stephen Foster, Vivaldi, Billy Joel, Andrew Lloyd Weber, Cher, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, Jose Feliciano, Robert Plant, Hank Williams, Victor Borge, Carole King, Bob Dylan, Sting, Diana Ross Mortals dispatched to clean up after unicorns, centaurs, minotaurs, etc.: Franz Liszt, Captain & Tennile, Celine Dion, Ferrante & Teicher, Kurt Cobain, Yo Yo Ma, Sammy Davis Jr., Gloria Estefan, REO Speedwagon, Marie Osmond, Charlotte Church, Peter Cetera, David Byrne. Harpy Memorial Day! Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:33:40 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: Colin's Fascist Statement Colin wants to kill off the inner circle (of which I may or may not be a member) not the Jews. He's an anarchist not a fascist. Long live the inner circle! oops Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Yesterday a bunch of us were cutting up and > Brian Gross wrote: > > > > NO NO > > Not the *BLUE* pill !! > > Don't you know what that will do?????? > > and in response, Colin wrote: > yes-it will kill off the inner circle. > > This is the first fascist statement I have ever read on JMDL. To understand > that this is hateful garbage and not humor, let me substitute the word > "Jews" for "inner circle". If you make that substitution, yesterday's > exchange becomes: > > Brian Gross wrote: > > > > NO NO > > Not the *BLUE* pill !! > > Don't you know what that will do?????? > > yes-it will kill off the Jews. > > Now Jim again. > I ask you JMDLers. As reasonable people, is that funny? > > I do not think it's funny one bit. I think it is a fascist, hateful > statement. I think it has no place on the JMDL. > Other opinions? > > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:07:24 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: putting away childish things Yes-Joni's Love from WTRF is what came to mind. Howard Motyl wrote: > > Beautifully put, Colin. > > I hear echoes of Corinthians 11 in your post. > > Thanks. > > Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:17:10 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Who Wants To Be A Joni Millionaire -- Level 2 > >d. Carlos Santana > >Which of the following instruments has Joni Mitchell > >NEVER played on an album? > >a. Guitar > >b. Dulcimer > >c. Fairlight CMI > >d. Vibraphone Alison-my guess was the Vibraphone mainly because I haven't heard of it and it sounds like a phone sex toy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:30:14 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: the "mystery" of Hissing In a message dated 5/26/00 2:42:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merrillb@crisny.org writes: << I'm a big fan of "Hissing." >> I am too.I wish she'd sing a song from it at her concert. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:01:25 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: BSN tour Ok Apparently there are tapes of Joni's current tour circulating on the list. I would hate to think that one of the UK listers has a copy. If you know what I mean....... email me privately ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:25:09 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Chicago concert I just had to write because I am GOING CRAZY waiting for Tuesday to come! I know there must be plans for a pre-concert get-together in Chicago (though I have missed them.) I couldn't make it anyway because I'm travelling down from Milwaukee and have to get my 2 teen-aged nieces and notoriously late sister on the road in time. Is there any way JMDL people can identify each other somehow or meet some place during intermission??? Let me know. Thanks, Kerry NP (in my head) - Judgement of the Moon and Stars (stuck there since I found out she will be singing it at the concert!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:34:50 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Least Favorite Songs I agree with others about the Jungle Line. It just doesn't fit with the flow of the album. Also, Ray's Dad's Cadillac, You Dream Flat Tires and The Windfall (Everything for Nothing) don't do much for me. Maybe I just don't like songs with references to cars?!? And I have to say that I love the song, Snakes and Ladders. After I was dumped by my first girlfriend, I played this over and over (with the volume turned way up) and it helped me through! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:33:49 EDT From: NoeysMaMa@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #285 So I'm listening to my "Joni-Song-That-I-Listen-to-Again-and-Again-This-Week"--which happens to be "Passion Play" for the time being, and I laugh out loud when I listen to the line "Who is this heart-dealer?" I used to think the line was "Who is this heart-stealer?" but today it sounded like "heart-dealer," and to think of that as a reference to Jesus just blew my mind. How appropriate and how funny. What beautifully ambiguous connotations! Then I read the lyric sheet and it said, "heart-healer." Oh well. I still like "heart-dealer." Jesus the heart-dealer. Much love, Min ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:37:32 EDT From: NoeysMaMa@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #285 :) I guess I should be able to get the lyric right after 8 billion listenings today... "Who in the world can this heart-(d/h/st)ealer be..?" Knew I quoted it wrong as soon as the song came back into my head. :) Love, Min ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:02:11 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: the "mystery" of Hissing > So, I've come onto Joni-L wondering: Has the "mystery" that Joni points to > been "unravelled" by anyone? Is there now a consensus as to what the > mystery is? Hi Bruce I don't think there has been a consensus as to what the "mystery" is. ( I don't think there has ever been a consensus on anything on the JMDL.) I think the "mystery" is how the album, the songs were created. >Has the extent to which Hissing is a "total work...., > conceived graphically, musically, lyrically and accidentally" been laid > out, somewhere? (Definitively, or conjecturally.) Well yes, I would say it definitively has been, on an album called The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Welcome to the list; Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:11:45 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: A & M studios In a message dated 5/26/00 8:40:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << And most often, I think, the A & M studios, just down La Brea from Hollywood High (Kakki's not around to correct me, hehehehe...) >> Steve: I am here! So you aren't safe! A&M is in fact on La Brea - that's totally correct, but Hollywood High is on Highland, same as the Hollywood Bowl and my house,for that matter, is just one block west of Highland (Cahuenga) as you recall. If I had kids, they would go to Hollywood High! Hope Kakki's proud of me for stepping in during her absence. No regrets, Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:10:39 -0500 From: alice@mindspring.com (Alice Sebrell) Subject: Atlanta mystery man This is my first post to the list after lurking around in the shadows for quite a few months. I just wanted to let Mike know that I also noticed the guy videotaping from the stage at the Atlanta concert. I was very curious about who he was and who he was working for. His shorts and Hawaiian shirt definitely made him stand out from the rest of the folks on stage. I was the lucky person who got to take pictures for the website that night, and a friend and I later decided that the inspiration for Joni's lovely outfit that night was an ear of corn. Yellow kernels on the inside with pale green husk for the outer layers. Other outfits on the tour definitely come from somewhere other than the cornfield, though. I would like to go on record defending Tea Leaf Prophecy. I think it is a beautiful, meditative song. I cannot defend Dancing Clown, however. Alice from Asheville, NC P.S. This list is great. I'm happy to be a part of it, even if mine has been a very quiet part thus far. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:39:35 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Holiday Songs It’s time for tonight’s Top Ten List, ladies and gentlemen… Are you ready? Tonight’s Top Ten List is… (SFX: DRUMROLL) The Top Ten Joni Mitchell Holiday Songs… (SFX: APPLAUSE, CHEERS) Number Ten... "Santa’s Flight Tonight" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Nine... "Mary and the Kingpin" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Eight... "The Jingle Line" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Seven... "The Last Time I Saw Rudolph" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Six... " Big Yellow Nose So Bright" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Five... "Come in from the Pole" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Four... "Help Me Open This" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Three... "Merry House/Santapiece" (SFX: APPLAUSE) Number Two... "A Case of Yule" (SFX: APPLAUSE AND DRUMROLL) And the Number One Joni Mitchell Holiday Song... "The Ho-Ho Dance!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:00:42 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Joni and Van Gogh in Detroit Call it serendipity, but when Joni hits Michigan's Pine Knob next Wednesday there is a show of Vincent Van Gogh at the Detroit Institute of Arts at the same time. See information about the exhibit at: http://www.detnews.com/specialreports/2000/vangogh/index.htm Cassy N.P. Natalie Merchant "All I Want" - courtesy of Bob :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:09:44 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Pigeon-holing Joni I remember seeing Joni on the Johnny Cash TV show, I was 10 years old. It was the first I'd ever heard of her. I loved everything about her. I wanted to play guitar like her. I wanted to write like her. I wanted to look like her, although I wasn't willing to go against the grain of 5th grade hip and revert to bangs. She sang Both Sides Now. 32 years later and I'm looking forward to a concert called Both Sides Now. I listened to DJRD late last night, through headphones, in the dark, loud. It had been quite awhile since I'd listened to it. I loved this album when it was released, when I was 19 years old, and love it still. Joni was 34 years old when she recorded DJRD, on the record she is preserved at 34, while I have aged to 42. It must be the mark of a great artist, a master, to create such timeless work, that has beauty and deep meaning for a 10 year old child, a college sophomore and for the same woman as she enters middle-age. To what genre does Joni's music belong? We know the critics constantly refer to it as Folk Music, we know they're wrong. It's classified in most music stores as Pop/Rock. It's not Pop because: 1. it's not particularly popular, and 2. very little of it sounds "dated", even after 3 decades. It's not, with 3 or 4 exceptions, Rock. Some of it is Jazzy, but it's not, with several exceptions, Jazz. Does it belong to a genre? Or is Joni Mitchell her own genre? Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:06:03 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Joni in the Detroit News Today's Detroit News Weekend Guide had the following: Page 1 teaser: Folk: Joni Mitchell plays Pine Knob It's been 35 years since Joni Mitchell started playing coffee-houses in the Cass Corridor, but not the Canadian singer/songwriter is returning to Detroit -- accompanied by a full orchestra. She plays Clarkston's Pink Knob on Wednesday. See story page 6D. Page 6D story: Joni Mitchell brings folk back to Detroit Ben Edmonds special to the Detroit News As the Pink Knob audience listens to the smoky vocals of Joni Mitchell under the stars next Wednesday night, few will be aware of the crucial role Detroit played in first exposing that voice to the world. The singer/songwriter icon will be bringing a full orchestra and a program that mixes classic torch songs with selections from her own 30-year catalogue of exquisite compositions. But were it not for the time she spent as a resident of the Cass Corridor, those songs might have remained locked in her imagination. She was Joni Anderson, an art student and fledgling folk performer from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, when she met Michigan folk singer Chuck Mitchell at a Toronto coffeehouse in 1965. By June of that year she was Joni Mitchell, having gotten hitched in the Mitchell back yard in Rochester, and was living with her husband in an apartment building called the Verona at the corner of Cass and Ferry. "We used to call it 'the castle' because the building was big and fortress-like," Landra Rosenthal says. Now an attorney in Berkeley, CA, the former Landra Epstein still remembers meeting Chuck's wife-to-be. "Chuck came back from a trip to Canada and told us he had met this really great girl and couldn't wait for us to meet her. He was going back up to play a festival outside Toronto, and invited me and a friend named Ron Levine to come. "After the festival - Joni said she'd written a new song and wanted to play it for us to see what we thought. So we went into their hotel room, and she sat on the bed and played us 'The Circle Game.' I was one of the first people on the planet to hear that song. She absolutely transported us with this amazing piece of writing." Chuck and Joni Mitchell began performing as a duo. "They played together," Rosenthall recalls, "but you were always aware of the two individuals. Chuck had his repertoire of Brecht art songs and traditional folk, and Joni had the things she was writing - I thought they were both incredibly talented, though in different ways." Those differences would ultimately prove to be the duo's professional, and then personal, undoing. At the time, all people knew was that Joni's artistry was growing by leaps and bounds. It was the old story of the expatriate divesting herself of the baggage of her history. "Once I crossed the border," Mitchell says, "I began to write and I began to find my real voice." Detroit has never been known as a folk Mecca, but Joni stayed here for a spell after the marriage dissolved, renting another apartment in the Wayne State (University) area and devoting herself to her music. Tom Rush came to town to play the Chessmate folk club in early 1966 and "was blown away by the quality of her songs." "Joni has reinvented herself repeatedly throughout her career, so what we had then was the first iteration. But she was already writing songs that were timeless. As soon as I heard 'Urge For Going' I asked her to teach it to me. As long as winter comes, that song will always be relevant." Rush proved an important proselytizer for Mitchell's work. For example, his playing of her songs for Judy Collins resulted in the recording of "Both Sides Now." By the time the Collins version of "Both Sides Now" hit the Top 10 late in '68, Mitchell had already transplanted herself to New York. She was now well down the road that would take her to Crosby Stills and Nash, country, jazz outings with Charles Mingus, and the extravaganza she brings Wednesday to Pine Knob. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:16:42 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Pigeon-holing Joni Does it belong to a genre? Or is Joni > Mitchell her own genre? > I came to conclusion some time ago that, yes, she is. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:35:25 EDT From: NoeysMaMa@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #286 > Yesterday a bunch of us were cutting up and > Brian Gross wrote: > > > > NO NO > > Not the *BLUE* pill !! > > Don't you know what that will do?????? > > and in response, Colin wrote: > yes-it will kill off the inner circle. > > > This is the first fascist statement I have ever read on JMDL. To understand > that this is hateful garbage and not humor, let me substitute the word > "Jews" for "inner circle". If you make that substitution, yesterday's > exchange becomes: > > Brian Gross wrote: > > > > NO NO > > Not the *BLUE* pill !! > > Don't you know what that will do?????? > > yes-it will kill off the Jews. > > > Now Jim again. > I ask you JMDLers. As reasonable people, is that funny? You have GOT to be kidding... Min ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:39:49 -0700 From: "Susan L.A." Subject: Re: Joni Millionaire Don/Larry wrote; > So let's play, "Who Wants to be a Joni Millionaire!" Okay ;~) > For $100: > > Joni Mitchell was born in which country? In which lifetime man? ;~) > For $200: > > What line follows the title of Joni Mitchell's hit > song "Help Me"? Lovers saying: "Turn that womb off!" But I like her ;~) I love my lovin' but not like I love my freedom :~D > For $300: > > Joni Mitchell has NOT been romantically linked to > which of the following men? That's easy: Larry Klein > For $500: > > Joni says which kind of animal gives the home a > heartbeat? Ocelets > For $1000 > > SIQUOMB is an acronym for what? > > a. She Is Queasy Unless Others Make Bread I like this one ;~D > When we get back ... they'll be shooting for $2000 ... Yeah, but shooting what? When are you gonna run away with me Don? - -- Susan L.A. "...a defector from the petty wars until love sucks me back that way..."-that Joni :~) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:40:13 EDT From: NoeysMaMa@aol.com Subject: (no subject) <<>> ahem. cough cough Me too. (ducking behind a corner) Love, Min ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:44:47 EDT From: NoeysMaMa@aol.com Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #286 <<>> Thank you for the huge laughs on that one. :) Love, Min ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:10:25 EDT From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Colin's Fascist Statement well, i have my nerve...i barely read list mail anymore, and almost never post. but i do log on a few times a week, mostly to delete stuff before my computer explodes, and every now and then, i click on the posts written by list members i know, and whose insights i often find compelling. kakki would certainly fall into that category. which is how i had the misfortune of stumbling across "our lady of duality" and commenced to follow it, with an increasing sense of wonder and dismay. so it may nervy of me to insert myself into this absurd nonsense, but after reading this latest entry i felt compelled to take the plunge. colin has been a list member here longer than i have, and i have been loitering around this joint for over 2 years now. and during that time he has ably demonstrated he has no need for ANYone to come to his defense, me here least of all...but to listen to someone try and label him a FASCIST, after sticking the necessary vocabulary into his mouth to make him sound like one, is just so outrageously unfair i cannot sit here in silence. what begs an answer at this point is why these attacks, and these juvenile attempts to rally others to take sides, continue? particularly after there has been such a chorus of polite and reasonable voices asking that it stop. one very valuable lesson, among many, that i have learned from taking part in this community, is that email can be very dangerous. i know i have been perceived, more than once, as viscious, and nasty, and rude, by more than one other list member, for things i said, thinking i was only being funny. i have been shocked at some of the responses my humor has ilicited. but email exists in its own little vaccum. it arrives without any of the usual cues upon which we rely to communicate, and isn't that so easy to forget? it's just words on a screen. no gestures, no eye contact, no intonation - just words. and it is notoriously easy to misinterpret. while a dry sense of humor might get you a bunch of laughs around the water cooler, it usually only results in hurt feelings in an email. so we need to be careful. and if we feel our blood pressure rising at something we THINK the other person is saying, what's so hard about sending an offlist message to that person in which we say "what you wrote upset me. i am wondering if that is what you meant to do, or if i might be misunderstanding you." ? if we all did that, then peace would guide the planets and love would steer the stars... so take a deep cleansing breath. and if that doesn't work, take it off list and duke it out in private. ric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 04:20:01 GMT From: "mjf 2001" Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Hey Joniphiles.... This was a good thread! It really got me thinking and searching through the catalogue for my "finalists" in this category. The challenge is that I find that Joni's work often "opens" to me gradually, and a track I may not be fond of now, or may not have been fond of for YEARS, will suddenly reveal itself to me in a different way, and I find I've made a new friend. So I've considered all of the albums I have (I think everything except CMIARS at this point), and I must say that I still consider "Clouds" a "difficult listen". (Now, see, I used to say the same thing about STAS, and then it "opened"! So who's to say what could happen?) There are a number of gems on "Clouds", but then there are two tracks I do NOT enjoy in the least (at this point!): the aforementioned "Songs to Aging Children Come" and "Roses Blue". Each time they come on, I sort of roll my eyes, but do not program them out..... to me, they're kind of part of the package. Besides, they may just one day "open" and reveal a new gem! Oh, and I'm with you on "Lead Balloon", too. But I must tell you that I LOVE "The Jungle Line", even love its placement on the album... its glaring difference from the tracks that precede and follow it, and its jarring start. Is it just me, or do those first few drumbeats sound louder than anything else in the rest of the song? REALLY gives me a start still, if the stereo's on loud enough! SUNDAY"S THE NIGHT FOR ME!!!!! :) mjf NP: Shades of Scarlett Conquering ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 04:32:30 GMT From: "mjf 2001" Subject: RE: more on Metheny and Joni, or One Man's Mortal is Another Man's Di (VLJC) >Mere mortals: Stephen Foster, Vivaldi, Billy Joel, Andrew Lloyd Weber, >Cher, File this one under What Makes The World Go 'Round, but I've been a rabid Cher fan for 35 years. She is not in the class of songwriter/poet/artist with Joni, but is in a league of her own... as a performer, actress, vocalist, and all-around entertainer. Not to poke at anyone's pantheon, but I had to put a shout out for my gal! I love her dearly. I had the good fortune of meeting her two years at a booksigning, and she was beyond gracious. She made my lifelong dream come true, and signed three autographs for me! No one is realer, or has more heart. Love her or hate her, Cher is one of a kind. I'm with ya on Celine, though. ;) mjf NP: Harry's House/Centerpiece ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:57:06 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Pigeon-holing Joni At 11:09 PM 5/26/00 -0400, Patricia O'Connor wrote: >To what genre does Joni's music belong? As you alluded to, it seems to be its own genre. No doubt her music defies categorization into the accepted worlds: pop, jazz, folk, rock, etc. It is ALL of these. And the sum (Joni's music) is not easily labeled. I like to use the broad term "singer-songwriter." This implies no particular genre, only that she sings her own songs. It's a very general area, but until a better term is found, for me, that's it. Joni has referred to many of her songs as "dramas." Which makes perfect sense to me. These huge and vivid pictures she creates for us with her music are certainly dramatic. Maybe that is the correct name: musical drama. Another might be musical paintings. But somehow I can't yet imagine walking into a record store and seeing the category "singer-songwriter" on a whole section of CDs along with the sections for pop, jazz, folk, etc. Perhaps it's time. With so many recording artists these days "crossing over" it does get hard to put them into *one* pigeonhole. It seems like an artist is sometimes placed into one of these genres based on their first or their "breakout" album. As their careers progress they may drastically change their musical styles but they're still placed into that category they originally came from. I think this is one of the main reasons Joni's music is still to this day referred to as "folk" by those who don't know better. Scott ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #214 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?