From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #210 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, May 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 210 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: "Urge For Going" Covers Question ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Be Cool ["lpeakes" ] Re: Barangrill Question ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: new listers ["Paul Castle" ] Re: new listers ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: reprise/wea & south bank show [catman ] Re: reprise/wea & south bank show [Jason Maloney ] Christgau BSN review -the Village Voice ["intagliata" ] Re: reprise/wea & south bank show [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Robert Christgau's BSN review in Village Voice ["Paul Castle" ] Re: reprise/wea & south bank show ["Kakki" ] Re: Shadows and Light ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: Robert Christgau? ["Paul Castle" ] For New Listers ["Ken (slarty)" ] Re: Robert Christgau? ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #280 ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #280 ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Christgau BSN review -the Village Voice [Don Rowe ] You gush girl! [dsk ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs ["James L. Leonard" ] DUETS / Mike Brecker [dave fairall / beth miller ] Fw: DUETS / Mike Brecker (SJC) ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Barangrill Question [Catherine McKay ] Re: Attention, Saskatoon-goers! [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [catman ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [catman ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [catman ] was reading Tolkein's trilogy... ["P. Henry" ] JACO / PAT / MICHAEL and JONI [dave fairall / beth miller ] The devil's chord [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs [David Wright ] Re: BSN [David Wright ] Re: HUH? ["P. Henry" ] Re: JACO / PAT / MICHAEL and JONI [dave fairall / beth miller Subject: Re: "Urge For Going" Covers Question Thanks, Kakki. Were the Folksy and Canadian Pacific versions different? If there *are* two Hamilton versions (one with Chet), maybe Bob can add the missing one to his still-in-progress Covers project. :-) "Boston Jim" > I have the song on Hamilton's "Folksy" vinyl (and it looks pretty old) but I > hear that he also had the track on another album called "Canadian Pacific", I > recall. On the "Folksy" album, he was arranged by the legendary Chet Atkins > and you can definitely hear Atkins' guitar influence on it. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:20:30 -0400 From: "lpeakes" Subject: Re: Jonifest2000 New Orleans Kicks off! Have a ball, y'all! - And keep those reviews going into JM dot com - with lots of photos, too - I am loving seeing these concert shots - and Joni's clothing - Michael, you sound like a great host! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Paz To: Joni Digest Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1:12 AM Subject: Jonifest2000 New Orleans Kicks off! > Hi Gang- > I am still breathing here. The lovely Lori reason and Timo made it into > New Orleans from frigid New York this evening and I met them at the official > JoniFest hotel downtown for a couple of cocktails at medication time (after > my rehearsal with the band for the fest). It was non stop conversation from > the very start. They are wonderful folks who were very gracious and came > armed with chocolates for the party and seem to be ready to go. I dropped > them off at NOLA Restaurant on my to a gig and left the in the capable hands > of my restuarant manager friend Bill. I am sure they had a great meal and > look forward to the rest of the early birds arriving tomorrow and seeing > Victor's sets tomorrow night. And so it was, the beginning of a great > weekend (a little early). I am now off to the arms of Morpheus so I can rise > early to meet Claud and Jimmy and Ed, Steve and Leslie, Kakki, and John. > Whoo hoo hooooooooooooooo! > > > michael > > P.S. Great pics everyone from the shows. I have read a couple of reviews > plan to catch up when they come out in audiobook form sometime in August. > > > > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > zzz ;-} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:24:51 -0400 From: "lpeakes" Subject: Re: Be Cool > (the Rev) Vince, getting ready to see his beloved 1st place White Sox > and Joni, two days of each... does life get any better?>> Only if you're a Red Sox fan (1st place, babe!) and the Boston forecast is good - bless you, Rev! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 04:00:47 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Barangrill Question Hey, Susan. Welcome! And thanks alot for your Barangrill interpretation. "Boston Jim" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:04:37 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: new listers Lilly castle28@earthlink.net wrote > I discovered the list through the website-At times I've felt like > a voyeur--socially stimulated by the conversations between > members--feeling the friendships and above all, the admiration > for Joni Mitchell! I've loved her music, art, and poetry since I was >a teenager; over 25 years. Please 'step up' regularly, Lilly. That's exactly how I felt when I found this list about a year ago. Don't be at all put off if you don't get loads of replies each time. I found out pretty soon that most of this mad gang 'have' to read everything, but 'no reply' definitely doesn't mean 'no interest'. You'll be surprised at how things you've said, that no one responded to at the time, will crop up in a thread, sometimes months later. Before going on the internet I had always been gently teased for being a bit of a 'Joni trainspotter' (does that term translate? -where the voice inadvertently takes on a rather pompous and unpleasant nasal tone, with lots of upper lip movement). Turns out I'm just a mere 'novice' after all, but with a renewed hunger to learn and a great appreciation for my teachers. PaulC NP. 'Lesson in Survival' - FTR PS. Like you e-mail address (castle28) My age (I wish!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:20:39 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: new listers Lilly wrote: >Greetings All, I feel like I know so many of you--I've been a >subcriber to the list since mid-Feb.-my husband found Joni's website for >me the day after our first anniversay Welcome, Lilly! I too (believe it or not) felt a little shy when I first started on the list. But after a year of giving my opinion about every topic you can think of, it's worn off! I'm sure you'll love it here too! And what a cool anniversary present! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:57:07 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: reprise/wea & south bank show > > Can't seem to find a website for The South Bank Show (and I even know the > name of the chap who presents it but can't think of it to do a search!). Melvyn Bragg All > I know is that they're not airing this season but they soon will. Monday > nights I believe.... JMDL cub reporters on the prowl > > Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:59:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms > > I can't for the life of me think of a title that he may have made, perhaps > 'Querrelle' (sp?) This starred the late Brad Davies or Davis. > > Cool video too! I love the masks > > My prayers to you to GET WELL SOON!!!! > Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:41:39 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: reprise/wea & south bank show Kakki wrote: > This is partly off the top of my head and partly from hard knowledge, but > it's a matter of some of the record companies starting out as independent > entities and then being swallowed up by the bigger guys. I recall, but > could be wrong, that Asylum was it's own company that was later swallowed up > by Warner. Same with Reprise. Geffen started his own indie label in the > early 80s and then sold out to MCA in around 1991. The Geffen label is the > only one not connected with Warner. I think you're right about the origins of Asylum and it's subsequent immersion into Warners, but I'm pretty sure Geffen had links with Warner until the sell-out to MCA in 1991. I used to buy quite a few Geffen albums back then, and they not only had a Warner catalogue number, but the packaging would also have that embossed "W" logo. > It was always sort of odd, IMHO, for Joni to be on the Geffen label because it > was initially known for going for the cutting edge groups emerging in the > 80s. Not that Joni didn't belong there, but they were really trolling for the > cutting edge unknowns at the Hollywood clubs back when they were just starting > out. Long ago, and long before I heard Joni say it herself in various > articles, I thought she was only brought into Geffen to give it a little cache > and not really to sell or > promote her. A classy tax-write off that gave the label a bit more prestige. > She has said this many times and it was always my take, too. Maybe why there's > some bad feelings now. It seems quite a few of the "prestige" acts that signed with Geffen in the early 80s had bad experiences...Neil Young being the most notorious example, but I also heard an interview with Elton John back in 1990 in which he spoke with regret at ever joining the label (although he's been on Polygram here in the UK since the late 70s, he was on Geffen in the US during the 80s). Cher also spent the 1980s on Geffen, only to move to WEA around the same time as Joni. Same with Don Henley, his new album is also on Warner. In fact, all of these big-name established acts associated with the Geffen label during that decade have - to a man (and woman) now switched *back* to a Warner-related company, be it Reprise, WEA or the Warner Brothers imprint itself. It probably hasn't been noticed all that much, since in most people's minds the likes of Joni, Henley and Neil Young have always *seemed* to be Warner artists. MCA has, of course, now become Universal, bringing with it a whole range of new problems and reshuffles. Good question, Jamie, and thanks for the insight Kakki! Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 05:59:43 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Bitterest Lyrics i had not thought about this thread much until yesterday. but there is a simple line i think in strange boy where knowing joni's independant personality, she reveals a very huge thing....i gave him power over me....and it sounds in the song, of course i'm going from memory, like it is a two edged thing. she liked doing it, but knew the cost of it. like it was her most precious thing she had to risk. pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:06:09 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: 'Folk Museum' (re Joni Content - Who Knows?) Just had to share this exchange with sharon on the Lucy-list. sharon g" sdgold60@hotmail.com wrote > i read an ad to day that on the 14th of june, same day lucy > is on LI at the brokerage, there will be a fundraiser here in NY > with assorted folk artists- Odetta, pete seeger, juddy collins > with proceeds going to what will be a permanent > FOLK Museum of Greenwich VIllage... check it out > at WWW.folkmusicmuseum.com I wrote: This is just fantactic news!! Thanks sharon. I shall spread the word. Whilst I can't be there myself, I will certainly send $30.00 to the fund. Do you know where donations should be sent? Mind you, mine might come with the rider that they employ you as their Publicity Manager!! Oh dear, this news has got my head in all of a dither! Thanks so much! Paul PS The website lists the performers as Oscar Brand, Judy Collins, Odetta, John Sebastian, Josh White Jr. + special guests. Anyone know what Joni is doing on June 14th??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:06:31 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Robert Christgau's BSN review in Village Voice Joni Mitchell Both Sides Now My favorite Joni story is that they tried to do a TV special on her and none of her old friends would pitch in. Even if it's a dumb rumor or a damned lie, it's a hell of a metaphor for someone who loves herself so much nobody else need bother, and yet another reason to scoff at her concept song cycle about the rise and fall of an affair. But after decades of pretentious pronouncements on art, jazz, and her own magnificence, this very if briefly great singer-songwriter proves herself a major interpretive singer. Lucky to write two decent songs a decade now, she instead applies her smoked contralto to a knowledgeable selection of superb material by mostly second-echelon Tin Pan Alley craftsmen (and I do mean men). Splitting the difference between pop and jazz like the Chairman himself, she doesn't transform the melodies so much as texture them, and on a few highlightson "Comes Love" and "You've Changed," on "When love congeals/It soon reveals/The faint aroma of performing seals"she bores so deep into the words you'd think she'd written them herself back when she had something to say. But no, that's "A Case of You" and "Both Sides Now" both of which, you can bet the mortgage, she makes sure belong. A MINUS Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:57:15 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: A Question Okay...*I'll* write something. On DED, Joni sings a duet with Michael McDonald. On the next album, CMIARS, there are duets a-plenty. My question is...did Joni begin a "Duets" album, a la Sinatra, and then decide to ditch it, with some of the tracks finding their way onto the two albums I mentioned? "Boston Jim" NP (really): Michael Brecker w/ Pat Metheny, et. al., Tales From The Hudson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:17:21 -0300 From: "intagliata" Subject: Christgau BSN review -the Village Voice http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0021/christgau.shtml Published May 24 - 30, 2000 CONSUMER GUIDE BY ROBERT CHRISTGAU Joni Mitchell Both Sides Now Reprise My favorite Joni story is that they tried to do a TV special on her and none of her old friends would pitch in. Even if it's a dumb rumor or a damned lie, it's a hell of a metaphor for someone who loves herself so much nobody else need bother, and yet another reason to scoff at her concept song cycle about the rise and fall of an affair. But after decades of pretentious pronouncements on art, jazz, and her own magnificence, this very if briefly great singer-songwriter proves herself a major interpretive singer. Lucky to write two decent songs a decade now, she instead applies her smoked contralto to a knowledgeable selection of superb material by mostly second-echelon Tin Pan Alley craftsmen (and I do mean men). Splitting the difference between pop and jazz like the Chairman himself, she doesn't transform the melodies so much as texture them, and on a few highlights-on "Comes Love" and "You've Changed," on "When love congeals/It soon reveals/The faint aroma of performing seals"-she bores so deep into the words you'd think she'd written them herself back when she had something to say. But no, that's "A Case of You" and "Both Sides Now"-both of which, you can bet the mortgage, she makes sure belong. A MINUS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:15:38 EDT From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #281 Have any of you ever thought about the fact that JM is 56 and it is a known fact that we all get those "bad memory moments" after a certain age. It is a biological fact and even icons age. So get over the fact she used a sheet to read the lyrics. I am 52 and am seeing her in Boston on Sunday. I have bought everything since her first album. One interesting note-when I mention that I am going to see her people my age barely remember her or if they do they remember a girl with a guitar. All that music they missed. It is true she has never got the recognition she deserves Glad so many still like her. kardinel@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:19:19 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Least Favorite Joni Songs I hope this isn't perceived as a "negative" thread. I don't mean it to be. We all agree that Joni is one of the best songwriters of all time (if not *the* best). Still, I'd be interested to know what are other JMDLers least favorite Joni songs, aside from the oft-trashed "Dancing Clown." "Boston Jim" NP (still): Brecker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:07:31 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: reprise/wea & south bank show - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jamie Zubairi > You know how Joni was signed initially to Reprise in the 60's, then she > moved to Asylum in 72 then she moved to Geffen in 82 then she moved back to > Reprise in 94, why? Aren't these all the same Warner Company or am I just > being a little green? > Reprise was started by Frank Sinatra, who sold it to Warner Bros. Warners also bought up cool lables like Atlantic and Electra and then sold the whole shebang to Kinney Corp, the car parks people in the 1970's That's why Joni and Neil Young records in the 70's had "A Kinney company" written on the label. Asylum was a quasi independent company set up by Roberts (her manager) and Geffen but funded by Atlantic (a Warner Compny). So in reality she was still linked to Warners. I think Geffen Records was a proper indie when it started but Gekko eventually sold it to MCA. How's that for useless information ? > Can't seem to find a website for The South Bank Show (and I even know the > name of the chap who presents it but can't think of it to do a search!). The chap's name is Melvyn Bragg. If this is true, it's exciting news. The South Bank Show does a great job of getting a behind the scenes look at the creative process. The only pop music one in the last series was about Blur and it was quite a revealing programme. Philip np Destiny's Child - Say My Name Who said they don't make great pop records anymore ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:05:52 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Robert Christgau's BSN review in Village Voice Robert Christgau wrote in The Village Voice >"My favorite Joni story is that they tried to do a TV >special on her and none of her old friends would pitch in. Even if it's a >dumb rumor or a damned lie, it's a hell of a metaphor for someone who loves >herself so much nobody else need bother, and yet another reason to scoff at >her concept song cycle about the rise and fall of an affair." I usually feel a little sorry for people who put their feet so firmly in their mouths, but I allowed myself a good ironic belly laugh over this one. "My favorite Joni story" indeed. Do the VV actually pay him? Am I missing something here? PaulC NP. Electricity - FTR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:24:53 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: reprise/wea & south bank show Has anyone read the recently-published biography of Geffen? Is there any significant Joni content? "Boston Jim" >I think Geffen Records was a > proper indie when it started but Gekko eventually sold it to MCA. How's > that for useless information ? > Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:23:54 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: SIQUOMB Since there are a lot of newbies, I thought I would quote the paragraph explaining "SIQUOMB" from my favorite article on Les's site: From Blue to Indigo, found at: I just love this article! "Unlike nearly all aspiring songwriters, the Mitchells put their business together properly at the start. "The one thing I had was my own publishing company," Joni said. "Chuck and I set up two publishing companies. That was at his instigation. That was very insightful." Joni's company was called Siquomb Publishing, and the name came from one of her many writing projects. As she would explain on Philadelphia radio station WMMR in March 1967, she was writing a mythology, the names of its various members derived from acronyms based on descriptive phrases. There were, for instance, a race of miniature women, the Posall ("Perhaps Our Souls Are Little Ladies"), and men, the Mosalm ("Maybe Our Souls Are Little Men"). Siquomb was the queen of the mythology, her name meaning, "She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind Beauty." Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:23:30 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Least Favorite Joni Songs <> Jim, I don't consider this a "negative" thread at all...many times I have expressed how I didn't care for something, only to hear another JMDL'er brilliantly support it, and I can listen to it with new ears...that being said, my least faves are: Tenth World (needs to be about 5 minutes shorter) Tea-Leaf Prophecy (total lack of melody, despite repeated listenings this one plays like teflon, doesn't stick to me at all) Tiger Bones (*I* don't hear anything here that I don't pick up on the version with vocal) Smokin' (could've actually been cool, fun little Flea-like bass signature, but it's thrown away instead of fleshed out) Maybe it'll surprise someone, but I put NOTHING from DED on this list - those songs are great, they just need a little re-tooling as most of them were produced in a way that buried the emotions lying within. Bob NP: David Wilcox, "Spirit Wind" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:32:59 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: reprise/wea & south bank show >I think Geffen Records was a proper indie when it started but >Gekko eventually sold it to MCA. Yes, it was a proper indie before being sold to MCA. That sale also was one of the transactions that transported Gekko into super-wealth status. Gekko - I love it, Philip - you're so funny. I'm 300 unread emails behind, sleep-deprived and have to be at the airport in an hour and still not packed. Paz, please have the ambulance waiting for me. Also have to answer Boston Jim among other emails. I don't have the "Canadian Pacific" album and don't know if it is the same Urge for Going as on "Folksy" but I'm sure someone else here has the answer. Bye all - see you on the other side. ;-) Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:57:59 PDT From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Shadows and Light My S&L disc was one of those issued (I think) ca. 1985, with several omissions, including one of the solo instumental pieces, Black Crow, and Free Man In Paris. I have always wondered why they couldn't include all of this material on the domestic disc, but could on the import. Reuben >From: "cassy" >Reply-To: "cassy" >To: >Subject: Re: Shadows and Light >Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:42:17 -0400 > >Alan Says: > > >>>It would appear as though there are two versions of this CD. A single >disc >version, and a double disc version that does include extra tracks such as >"Furry Sings The Blues". I purchased what I believed was the standard >version of this "on-line" about six months ago and received a HDCD copy of >the double disc version.<<< > >I bought an import 2 CD "Shadows and Light" a few years >ago. It has a Japanese spine inserted into the soft plastic >packaging although there is a sticky label which states that >it's "made in Germany" since it's the only CD copy I have of >S&L I compared it to the original 2 album vinyl release in >my collection and it appears to be identical in content. I >have heard there is a single CD S&L and that it doesn't >have all of the songs on it. > >I do have the Warner Brothers S&L Video which was >released in 1989 (taped 1979) does anyone know if this >is the original video release or perhaps a re-release? > >Cassy > >N.P. Ian Moore "Modernday Folklore - Muddy Jesus" > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:57:19 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Robert Christgau? I wrote: > Am I missing something here? His nickname isn't Magoo, is it? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:04:48 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: For New Listers Since we have had quite a few new listers recently I thought it would be a good idea to repost my web page address. On this page you can find such Joni files as Icons, a cursor, midi files and a screen saver. http://millennium.fortunecity.com/sherwood/452/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:09:53 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Robert Christgau? As you likely know, Christgau has been a music critic with the Voice forever, it seems, and is (or was) highly respected. He must have some axe to grind re Joni...maybe she dissed him at some point and he's never forgiven her. That *was* a remarkably nasty review (of *her*, personally). "Boston Jim" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Castle To: jmdl Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Robert Christgau? > I wrote: > > > Am I missing something here? > > His nickname isn't Magoo, is it? > > PaulC > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:08:00 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #280 > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:01:55 -0400 (EDT) > From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #280 > Reply-to: joni@smoe.org > Simon and Garfunkel's > Parsley, Sage, Rosemary & Thyme - > I especially love For Emily, Wherever I May Find He Oh yes! And Flowers Never Bend w/ the Rainfall! Mike > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:11:14 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #280 > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:01:55 -0400 (EDT) > From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) > To: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #280 > Reply-to: joni@smoe.org > Ok... i remember that during the second half of the show i atlanta , > a man came out and stood stage right , dressed only in shorts and > short-sleeve button down shirt , with a small hand held video camera. > Anyone else see this guy? he stayed there, right behind the last No, I didn't see that guy. I was looking through binoculars the whole time, focused on HER and I noticed nothing else. I would also like to know him and get a copy. Mike > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:27:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Christgau BSN review -the Village Voice - --- intagliata wrote: > > CONSUMER GUIDE > BY ROBERT CHRISTGAU > > But after decades of pretentious pronouncements on > art, jazz, and her own > magnificence Oh this is too much! Chrstgau's pot is every bit as black as Joni's kettle in THIS department for cryin' out loud! But otherwise, that's high praise from a guy who doesn't think much of the visual impact of the Sistine Chapel. Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:38:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs If memory serves, the last time this subject got loose, it made the going's on around Los Alamos look like a backyard barbeque. Yes, "Dancin' Clown" is roundly disliked, as is "Smokin' Empty Try Anthother", "No Apologies", "Nothing Can Be Done" (which I think is magnificent BTW), the "rap stuff" on Mingus (not a song thing really), "The Tenth World" -- but those who love the song defend it with the strength of ten, "Ray's Dad's Cadillac" surfaced as well -- much to my astonishment, and some others I can't recall. And before I let you go ... it's not the start of the thread I object to ... so much as your careful tap-dancing around the issue. ;-) So what's YOUR least favorite? Mine's "No Apologies" today, mostly because the first verse is so brilliant -- then it falls apart. Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:14:36 -0400 From: dsk Subject: You gush girl! Kakki wrote: > WARNING - High Gushing content > > I'm going to be very honest here ... I really wanted > you all to love it and you did. ... I'm so glad you experienced the same > magic so many > of us have so far. ... these could be Joni's most fantastic concerts ever. > ...be prepared to have your life changed a little. Hey, Kakki, you go girl, gush for chapters if you want to! This is from an earlier message you wrote: "...I have gotten ... criticism a number of times in the past for my "eloquent" writing style. I have even been told by some people that I should "dummy it down" because it pisses people off. But when I have tried to dummy down, I have been quickly corrected, so I can't win. I truly can't help how I write. I am overly verbal - it's just the way the circuits are connected in my brain." You can win Kakki, just go with the way you're made, as you always have, and don't worry about the complainers. I always relate to what you're saying and truly enjoy that wordy style of yours, and there's never too much in what you write. And though I could easily continue for several more paragraphs here :-), I just wanted you to know these simple things, so your good heart won't feel under siege, ever again. Take care, and .... write on Giiiirrrlllfriend! Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:30:16 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Hey, Don. I posted *some* of my least favorites in response to Bob earlier, but you know what? I think I forgot to cc the list! (blush) Here are a few of mine which haven't been mentioned by you or Bob: "The Jungle Line" (I dislike this mostly because it breaks up the flow of one of my favorite albums, and appears right after the opener, "In France." I normally program it out. I object mostly to the context in which it appears, and the juxtaposition withs "In France" and "Edith.") "Talk To Me" (This one is uninspired, imho, and is filler on DJRD...not to the same extent that "The Third World" is, but filler all the same. Joni wrote much better songs along this line, both thematically and musically, before DJRD...which is beginning to become one of my least favorite albums overall. That didn't used to be so, but I'm beginning to see greater weaknesses in it as it (and I) age. I may have been blinded a bit by the fact that Jaco's featured so prominently.) "Lead Balloon" (The title says it all, imho) "My Old Man" (I didn't include this one in my original post to Bob...which I thought had also gone to the list...and I know it's probably a sentimental favorite of many because of its JT connection, but I find the melody annoying...especially during the line "We don't need a piece of paper from the City Hall." It's kind of a throwaway song, I think, amid an album of classics. I do like the imagery in the line "The frying pan's too wide." It reminds me of the Hal David lyric, though, in "One Less Bell To Answer, One Less Egg To Fry," which, if memory serves, was popular not too long before most of the Blue material was written.) I could go on, but I don't want to inhibit others from chiming in. "Boston Jim" > > So what's YOUR least favorite? > > Don Rowe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:45:30 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: DUETS / Mike Brecker <"Boston Jim" NP (really): Michael Brecker w/ Pat Metheny, et. al., Tales From The Hudson> Jim, An all duets Joni album would be interesting, I'm sure JT and Sting would love to participate, and perhaps some other female artists, i.e. Annie Lennox, Shawn Colvin, Bonnie Raitt. Tales from the Hudson is a great record Jim, {Grammy winning I believe}, and have you heard Michael Brecker's latest, Time is of the Essence, with Elvin Jones? Wow!!! Dave F. Baltimore "Boston Jim" NP (really): Michael Brecker w/ Pat Metheny, et. al., Tales From The Hudson - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:50:44 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs <> See, for me, that's the part of the song that I love the MOST, because *that* piece of the melody is Sooooo Joni-esque! Obviously, it's all a matter of individual taste, so there's no right & wrong, and I always find it interesting how although we're so similar here we can be so different as well. But hey, that's what makes it work! Those were some ballsy picks, Jim...hope you're puttin' that flameproof armor on down there! :~) Bob NP: Joni, "For The Roses", Greek Theatre, 05/12/00 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs - --- "James L. Leonard" wrote: > "The Jungle Line" (I dislike this mostly because it > breaks up the flow of > one of my favorite albums Agreed, certainly my least favorite off HOSL > "Talk To Me" (This one is uninspired, imho, and is > filler on DJRD...) Are you out of your rockin'-ass mind? This is one of the jewels in the crown off DJRD! Read that lyric sheet closely, and I think you'll see something well beyond "uninspired", and certainly unique in many aspects, of which Jaco's bass line is just one part. This IS a new one for "least favorites" -- to say the least! > "Lead Balloon" (The title says it all, imho) Oh come on, you've got to admit there's a certain charm in putting on a Joni song, and the first thing you hear is "Kiss my ass!" After hearing Richard Thompson's 'Black Crow' -- it really makes me wish Joni called on him for the lead line, and given Wayne Shorter a break. Thanks for sharing! Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:45:13 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Fw: DUETS / Mike Brecker (SJC) I don't think I copied the list on this (again). - ----- Original Message ----- From: James L. Leonard To: dave fairall / beth miller Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 3:08 PM Subject: Re: DUETS / Mike Brecker (SJC) > Hi, Dave. > > I was wondering if, in fact, there *had been* a Duets album planned, but it > got shelved. "Good Friends" and parts of CMIARS might have come from the > sessions? A new one would be welcome, though. :-) > > Re Time Is Of The Essence...yes, it cooks! I have to come out of the closet > at this point to say that I've been a die-hard Metheny fan since back in the > mid-'70s when he was teaching at Berklee and held the second guitar chair > (Mick Goodrick was the featured guitarist) in Gary Burton's group. I was > attending Emerson College then, also in Boston, and was the afternoon jazz > host on WERS-FM. > > Bright Size Life then came along (with Jaco, Pat's friend from the > University of Miami, FL), and then Watercolors. I was at the Pat Metheny > Group's first-ever live show, outdoors in Vermont, when they debuted the > material from what would be the first Group album..."Phase Dance," "San > Lorenzo," "Jaco," etc. I've followed Pat's career (everything!...including > the avant-garde stuff) just as closely as Joni's. As a matter of fact, my > first post to this list involved mentioning that the very first time I heard > Hejira, with Jaco and with Joni's electric sound (very Pat-like), I dreamed > of a collaboration between them. > > When Shadows And Light came along a few years later, I was *beside* myself! > It was, and remains, a dream come true for me. I wish Pat and Lyle Mays > would have had a little more room to stretch, but that's a *very* small > quibble. Just in the last couple of days I learned on the list that S&L has > been reissued as a 2-CD set (I bought the truncated single disc *long* ago), > and I'm on my way to update my copy, believe you me! > > Pat's is one of my favorite careers, as is Joni's. I highly recommend > everyone on the list check him out...in detail. I'd be happy to steer > anybody to certain areas of his vast catalog, based on your preferences. > God, what a talent! > > Oh yeah...I am and have been a long-time fan of Brecker's, too. :-) What a > player! He made/makes Coltrane's premature passing a little more bearable. > It's great to hear him playing with Pat (as he has often, since 1980), > Elvin, Goldings, Tain, and Stewart. > > Sorry for the lengthy post...got on a roll. :-) > > "Boston Jim" > > > > Tales from the Hudson is a great record Jim, {Grammy winning I believe}, > > and have you heard Michael Brecker's latest, Time is of the Essence, > > with Elvin Jones? > > Wow!!! > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:53:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Barangrill Question - --- Bounced Message wrote: > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:12:56 -0500 > From: "Susan" >Well I am brand new to JMDL, but I went to my first Joni concert in January 1972. A young kid named Jackson Browne opened for Joni, that night. I was very young ...14 (gulp). Hey - I was at that concert too! Where did you see it? I saw Joni at Massey Hall in Toronto. Jackson Browne opened for Joni and she sang songs from Blue and FTR. That was just before FTR came out (I think - at least, if it was out, I hadn't bought it yet but I was right on it as soon as I could find it!) (I was a bit older than you - I was 18!) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:56:11 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Attention, Saskatoon-goers! I wish I were going to 'Toon town, alas... This press release is running the media gauntlet today... Joni Mitchell Goes Home to Canada to Unveil Artwork Reuters May 25 2000 3:03PM ET WINNIPEG (Reuters) - World-renowned singer and songwriter Joni Mitchell will return to her Canadian home province of Saskatchewan at the end of June to unveil the first-ever exhibition of her paintings. ``Still best known for her music and words, Joni Mitchell's primary preoccupation remains her visual art,'' a statement from the Mendel Art Gallery in the Prairie city of Saskatoon said on Thursday. The exhibition of more than 85 works, titled ``voices,'' will open on June 30 and will run until September 17. It will also feature the poems and lyrics of Mitchell, currently a resident of the United States, who will attend the opening. The career of Mitchell, born in 1943 in the small town of Fort Macleod, Saskatchewan, began in art school before she climbed to fame as a musician with songs like The Circle Game, Both Sides Now and Big Yellow Taxi. The artwork of Mitchell, who also captured headlines a few years ago after being reunited with a daughter she gave up for adoption when she was a young woman, graces her newest CD release, Both Sides Now. Admission to the show, curated by Canadian Gilles Hebert, will be free. RTR/ENTERTAINMENT-EXHIBIT-JONIMIT << Who is going to the opening of Joni's exhibit at the Mendel Gallery in Saskatoon on June 30, 2000? And has a "sub-list" been established yet for this group? E-mail me privately and/or on-list. "Inquiring minds want to know"! Mary P. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:03:58 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Maybe I am not that keen on Dancing Clown but love 10th world, Nothing can Be done, No Apologies, Smokin and detest Rays Dad's Cadillac. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:06:20 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Just goes to show how different we all are. Jungle Line, Lead and Talk To me are among my fave Joni tracks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:07:15 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs Just goes to show how different we all are. Jungle Line, Lead and Talk To me are among my fave Joni tracks. In fact I got into Joni by hearing Jungle on the radio back in 75 and went and bought THOSL. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:20:27 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: was reading Tolkein's trilogy... jim graciously provided: >When Joni was writing her first songs, she was reading Tolkein's trilogy and had a few acronyms for names of fairy tale characters. This one was "She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind (and) Body." She adopted it as the name of her publishing organization.> ah! there it is! the wonderful and oft-discussed new lister question we all know and love! LoL! jim, your post reminded me that I forgot to (re)mention in my recent comments on the unrecorded 'The Wizard of Is' that the subject of the song was Gandalf, Tolkein's grand old wizier! pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:31:14 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: JACO / PAT / MICHAEL and JONI Boston Jim said.....{paraphrased} Jim, I second and third all the sentiments in this thread. Jaco was a genius, a true one of a kind talent. Like many true innovators, he was a complex / troubled soul who died too young. I saw him once leaning on the fence next to the BB courts in the Village in the early 80's with a boombox, having not bathed for weeks, a really tragic figure. Metheny is by far my favorite guitarist, {I think he's the best player on the planet}, and for my money, as a fellow sax player, there's only Bird, Trane and Brecker, { and maybe Wayne}. I've been fortunate to have met all three of these influential players, {even played on a record with Michael Brecker}, and Shadow's and Light is never far back in my CD rotation. It is a supreme accomplishment for Joni...who else could have assembled a band like that, { I understand, they all jumped at the chance to interrupt their burgeoning careers and go on the road with her}..... truly Joni's finest hour. Looking forward to hearing Peter Erskine, Bob Sheppard and Wallace Roney tonight w/ our diva in Columbia Md. Too bad Herbie didn't come South. Thanks, Dave F. Baltimore Md. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:23:07 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: was reading Tolkein's trilogy... ps... ps - and I'm not sure but I think at one time Joni called her publishing company Gandalf... anybody heard that..? jim? simon? (it's been a loooooooonnnggg time folks) Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:25:09 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Robert Christgau? >His nickname isn't Magoo, is it? Brilliant! LOL! (BTW, I wonder where Joni picked up "wanker" from? Although it is not unknown over here, the term is such a Britism. Wonder who she's hanging out with?) ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:25:03 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: The devil's chord Hey everyone, I can't remember if anyone came to the conclusion about what chord Joni was talking about when she said the 'devil's chord,' but in the report I did on Joni for my Music Apprecation class, my teacher called it a diminished 5th. He also noted that it was correct that it provoked doubt. FWIW, the asshole gave me an 80/100. If anyone would like a copy to slap your name on, just let me know! :-D (joking) NP-Jerry Garcia Band, 7/20/76 - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:38:33 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Least Favorite Joni Songs > > > > So what's YOUR least favorite? "Songs to Aging Children Come" and "Taming the Tiger" (title track) - --David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:00:19 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: BSN Christgau's reference to a "concept song cycle about the rise and fall of an affair" reminded me that this is exactly what I have always thought DJRD is (plus several other things). Think of the journey from "Talk to Me" and "Jericho" at the beginning of the album to "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter," "Off-Night Backstreet," and "The Silky Veils of Ardor" at the end. I was struck by this recently. It makes this fanfare about the "concept" of BSN (e.g., Larry's liner notes) seem rather funny. - --David P.S. OK, Christgau's review *was* mean but I don't want to hear any suggestions that he's overrated or overpaid. He kicks ass, OK? ;) (Read him sometime on music that he really likes for proof of this.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:05:23 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: HUH? hey howard, I'm really late chiming in on this one but I gotta tell ya: this is jmdl and around here negative reviews about Joni Mitchell *are* 'SHIT'! what are you doing on this list anyway... there are zillions of people who aren't Joni fans and would think/feel/say negativity about her and guess what? they aren't here! so what's with you?!?!? there must be some artist(s) you *do* like... go join their list and praise them and enjoy the company of likeminded people... leave jim and kakki alone and get a life of your own cause obviously this ain't yer cup of tea! good bye, pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:47:31 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: Re: JACO / PAT / MICHAEL and JONI Jim, I played a soprano solo on an album by Vincent Nguini, (one of the African guitarists featured on Paul Simon's Rhythm of the Saints tour, which also featured Mike Brecker), and he added several tenor solos to the record after the fact. We weren't in the studio together, and didn't play on the same tune, but that's good enough for me...on the liner notes my name appears just after his. I never thought I'd get to be featured on the same album as THE MANl!! He employed famous Baltimore drummer Dennis Chambers, {in the Brecker Bros. Band}, who's a friend of mine, and I've recorded with several albums by guitarist Carl Filipiak. When I met Mike at Blues Alley in DC during his tour with McCoy Tyner, we spoke for nearly an hour between shows.. He remembered liking my work on those records too, which was waayyy cool. I've done a lot of local recording projects in and around the Balt/Wash area, but not much major label stuff. It's my passion rather then vocation now, but I feel fortunate to have rubbed elbows with some of the world's great players, and feel closer to Joni Mitchell.... by association, {does that make sense?} Thanks, "James L. Leonard" wrote: > Hey, Dave. > > Enjoy the show tonight!!! > > Btw...I'd love to hear your record with Brecker! Was it a large horn > section, or were you two goin' at each other like Jugs and Stitt...Dex and > Griffin...Lockjaw and Griffin, etc.? > > Have you recorded often? > > Jim ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #210 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?