From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #202 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, May 22 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 202 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Joni's other sister Patti [Howard Motyl ] Re: Our Lady Of Duality, an essay, Long ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni Rarities ** FREE ** On Cassette ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni in Atlanta ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Joni in Atlanta [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] May 30th can't get here fast enough!!! [Bounced Message ] Concert Programs Down Under & in UK [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: May 30th can't get here fast enough!!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #269 [Mommalion@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #269 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: borrowing beauty [guitarzan@saber.net] Re: Guitar [guitarzan@saber.net] pre-show gather - ny - 5/22/00 [Bounced Message ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #269 ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Our Lady Of Duality, an essay, Long ["Kakki" Subject: RE: Joni's other sister Patti This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------9CF76E4529648D13CEA5C95E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Mark wrote: > I have loved EVERY album Joni has created, except BSN. I own scores of > albums by Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald, and > Dinah Washington. I am a passionate fan of 40's and 50's jazz (I find most > modern Jazz lame by comparison). I have listened to BSN 15 to 20 times now > and I think it is mediocre. I have never felt that about any Joni album. > It's Joni does "Lush Life ". I have to agree here--and this will be no surprise to some people--that I have not liked BSN since my first listen. I think the only songs that truly work, truly truly work--that I believe the emotion of--are Comes Love and Both Sides, Now. I never believed the arc of a relationship thing becuz I don't believe that the singer is actually living the relationship. I never feel the rush, the blush, the crush of falling in love. And I don't feel the devastating emptiness of losing at love and losing a love. The whole thing feels like an exercise. I, too, have a lot of music of the jazz women--especially Dinah Washington--and I never have trouble believing that they feeling what they are feeling. Dinah's "Fly Me to the Moon" is a killer in this respect; Ella's Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered is astounding. On BSN, I think the only song that approaches the pure emotion is Both Sides Now and I think everyone is responding to it not as part of the song cycle but how amazingly it becomes about a woman/Joni looking back on her life. While the orchestra is beautiful sounding, I find all the arrangements to be very similar and the pace deadening. Why not put a jazz combo behind her? Like Dinah on her Jazz Sides recordings. The smoky voice (in this context, this description is meant to be a compliment) in that setting could have been incredible. There was a review of the San Francisco concert the other day that described this perfectly. > > I was infuriated with Joni in the a billboard interview she said "The > music is pretty much fully developed and the [music] game up until recently > kind of kicked me out. It kicked me out years ago. It excommunicated me for > one reason or other. So seeing the best of your work designated into the > obscure department doesn't make you have much hope for culture, you know > what I mean?" > Fuck you! you brat. Knock that chip off your shoulder and create. Why give > a rat's ass about "to be obscure or not to be obscure" ? Joni, you have > achieved a body of work that should be fulfilling in itself. Since when > does an artist worry about pandering to the masses? Grow up. I think we have all, at one point or another, be infuriated with JM and her sour remarks. I know it irks me when she talks about the TI grammy being as a kind of token, especially for her career. Well, so what if it was, you are recognized for your career by your peers. Be grateful and be nice. I don't think that people shouldn't be able to speak their minds but at what? If the music isn't speaking to the masses, it isn't. But it is speaking to some of us out here. And shouldn't that be something. And it seems she wants recognition, then when she gets it, she disses it immediately. Howard M NP: BSN - --------------9CF76E4529648D13CEA5C95E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Howard Motyl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="howard_scptv.vcf" begin:vcard n:Motyl;Howard tel;fax:312-421-7714 tel;work:312-421-7711 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SCPtv Worldwide adr:;;400 N. May St., Suite 201;Chicago;Illinois;60622;USA version:2.1 email;internet:howard_scptv@interaccess.com title:Director, Creative Development note:"Any time you have the opportunity to accomplish something for those coming behind you and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;3 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------9CF76E4529648D13CEA5C95E-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 02:26:13 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Our Lady Of Duality, an essay, Long Oh my, oh my, Jim Lamadoo. This is a phenomenally brilliant post and should be placed in a position of prominence on both of the websites. > I contend that they never really knew Joni, at all. Amen. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 06:18:17 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: Covers Comments Bob wrote: >Jason Falkner, "BSN" Wow Wow Wow!!! Most of you will think this one >sacrilege, but it rocked my world tonight! Picture the Ramones and The Byrds >melding into a jangly, power pop rockin' group and this is what you get. >Allright, so some of the sensitivity of the lyric is diluted, but man this >thing kicks ass!! Where did this guy come from? Bob (or anyone else), do you happen to know what release this is from? I haven't been a fan of Falkner's for very long, but I do think he's terrific. My "evil twin" Nora turned me onto his work about a year ago, just after he released his second solo album, _Can You Still Feel?_. While I did like the disc after the first couple of listens, it wasn't until I'd had it for a month or two that I felt its full impact. Ever since then, I've been awed by his talent as both a songwriter and musician; in fact, he played all of the instruments, wrote all of the songs, and co-produced the album with Nigel Godrich, who has also worked with Beck and Radiohead. It's easily one of my favorite albums of last year, ranking below only XTC's _Apple Venus, Volume 2_, the _Magnolia_ soundtrack, and maybe the Guided By Voices, Fountains of Wayne and Sleater-Kinney discs. Stylistically, to me his music speaks of a Beatles and Kinks influence, and he definitely fits in the power-pop pantheon occupied by Matthew Sweet, Michael Penn and, at times, XTC. He also has one other solo album out, entitled _Jason Falkner Presents Author Unknown_, which is good, but doesn't feel as fully-formed as the second. While his two albums were both released by Elektra, there's apparently at least a couple of indie singles that have been issued as well, although I haven't been able to find them. Before going solo, Falkner had been a member of Jellyfish for a couple of albums, and then the Grays, who only stayed together long enough to issue the great _Ro Sham Bo_. Jon Brion, who has produced records for Fiona Apple and Aimee Mann and played on recordings by countless others, was a member of this band, as was Buddy Judge, who has toured with Liz Phair and recorded with Aimee Mann. All in all, this was a very talented but (unfortunately) short-lived ensemble. In addition to being eternally grateful to my friend Nora for introducing me to Falkner's work, she was also responsible for me getting ahold of the Stormy Weather CD. She knows how big of a Joni fan I am, and she decided to surprise me by including it in the package when she sent me a copy of Aimee Mann's _Bachelor No. 2_ preview EP after getting it for me at a show last summer. Since then, I've been meaning to make her a tape of Joni's work as a thank you, since she isn't really familiar with her at all. We share a love of a lot of the same artists and bands (Liz Phair, XTC, Neil Finn, Jen Trynin, Aimee Mann, Elliott Smith, etc.), so I think there's a good chance she might like Joni's music too. The only problem is, every time I sit down to make this tape, I have a hard time deciding what to include -- what songs would be not only the best introduction to Joni's catalogue, but which ones are also most representative of her talents overall. I always end up dissatisfied with the results before I even finish the tape and decide to start over. Does anyone have any suggestions on what material would be best to include? I was originally planning on only making one tape, but it's so hard to condense Joni's entire career to just 90 minutes, so I may end up making two. I know that I want to include "For the Roses," "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow," "Amelia," "The Magdalene Laundries," "Passion Play," "Two Grey Rooms," "Court and Spark," "Both Sides Now," "Urge for Going," "River," "Blonde in the Bleachers," "Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire," and "A Case of You." Apart from these songs, though, I have no idea what else to put on. I imagine it would make sense to include some of Joni's "hits" as well, but beyond that, I'm stuck. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Jase NP: Amy Rigby, _Diary of a Mod Housewife_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 06:41:17 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Our Lady Of Duality, an essay, Long Dearest Kakki, thank you. Typically I pound 'em out an' send 'em but this one took forever and I had a ringing in my ears, figuratively, while it was congealing. They call it composing for a reason but I so rarely feel it. I decided to polish the hell out of this one because it seemed like maybe I was on to something- something essential about not just BSN but about her whole recording career. So I printed it out and took it to lunch with me. Read it aloud to Cindy, my lunch date, then came home and revised again. After I posted it, I sent a copy to jj and told him that it's a work in progress, that i'd re-submit it to him as a concert review. He fired back that it was 'great' and he wanted to put it up on a page of a city that had particularly inane reader reviews. As if to punch up the review section. He said, "You wouldn't believe the wide cross section of messages I get -- it really runs the gamut. Since I'm communicating with the masses (washed and unwashed) here, I want to make sure they get the point!" As if I was speaking for him too! I felt great. THIS is the way I wanted to go onto Wally's page! THIS one because the sociology was in there somehow. I was trying to explain the difference between writing pop fodder like Chicago's V album (and on) and what our Joan was attempting. The high wire act. Putting her FACE into the process of writing- I can't put my finger on it this morning but I am very, very proud of that essay and I'm releived that it was so well received. It must be very hard to be joni all this time. Putting your FACE into the process and having the press yawn. Having the public stay away in droves (after writing hits for half of the country and folk world in 1967.) Being a total artist with one brilliant vision after another and having very few 'get it'. There was a neat, cute, clever, funny, _little_ movie a few years ago where Walter Mathau was Albert Einstein. Meg Ryan was Einstein's niece, a brilliant mathematician and the Shawshank Redeption guy was an auto mechanic who loved her. He's totally knocked out that she's so smart, so capable, so talented. At one point she apologizes for talking too much. Talking off the top of his head, he blurts out, "If I was as smart as you, I'd never stop talking." That's me. A lowly mechanic, in awe of not only her intellect, her enormous RAW talent, her single-minded and unswaying persuit of excellence, but of her hubris, her courage, her grit under pressure, her endurance in the face of apathy. I thought of the post a few weeks ago where a Lister's friend was at a party, in the kitchen with some chain smoking, non-stop talker with wrinkles and long straight blonde hair (and a hole in her stocking obviously). I get choked up thinking about that- she has some much inside that's straining, splitting her open, bursting to be given to the World. Her catalog is so rich- We are so, so, blessed in that we 'get it'. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kakki" > Amen. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 07:30:28 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: UK cub reporter Paul wrote:- > I told D-Paul about August. He's on the case! And Les, if your interviewing applicants for 'Official UK JMDL Reporters', I would die for the chance. < Hey Paul, You're going to need an assistant, you know, if only to make you sit still and keep quiet while Joni's rehearsing! I'm the obvious choice and am ready and waiting for your call. As you know, I'm off to Boston in a few days and so will be getting some practice at controlling myself in Joni's presence. Handling the emotion is going to be so tough but I think I'm up to it. Don't forget to let us know as soon as your insider gives you the word. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 08:15:00 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers Comments In a message dated 5/21/00 4:23:46 AM US Central Standard Time, jase@iaw.on.ca writes: << I imagine it would make sense to include some of Joni's "hits" as well, but beyond that, I'm stuck. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >> Jason, thanks for all the detail on Mr. Falkner - I'm gonna go search out that record because the copy on the tape cuts off and I want every second, plus, if his BSN rocks this hard I'm anxious to see what else he can do! As for your Joni tape: Amelia (Hejira) Love (WTRF) Ethiopia (DED) My Secret Place (CMIARS) And I could go on and on... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 12:24:08 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: JMDL New York Concert Financial Aid This post is to all JMDL'ers who decided not to go the New York Concert because of the high ticket prices. I have three extra $125 tickets to the Monday May 22 show. If you can meet me at the Tower Records in Soho on Monday at 4 PM (or earlier at a mutually convenient spot in Manhattan) I will give you a ticket. E Mail me to confirm details and ticket availability. If you CAN afford the concert, you can still BUY the ticket from me (pay what you can afford) and I will donate the money to the JoniMitchell.Com website. With service charges the tickets cost $140 each. Why am I doing this? 1. I don't want to go through the hassle of selling the tickets in front of the Garden. 2. It feels like the spirit of this list. 3. I remember when I had to sneak through the fire door at Radio City Music Hall to see Joni in ''73. This is in honor of the person who opened the door for me and let me in. 4. I really want the tickets to go to people who will really enjoy this experience. I will respond to e-mails tonight at 9PM. Paul Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 12:43:59 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: UK Jonifest 2000 Box Set I would LOOOOOVE to get a copy of the fest in the UK. Please someone tell me how. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:58:42 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Mingus report on Joni in Florida Hi David, I don't care if you are my best friend, I'm still going to gloat about the great report that Jim J. put up on the JM.Com this morning. I know as the official reporter you put a lot of time and heart in this review. Wally would be proud of you. I know I am! Check it out folks! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:12:32 -0400 From: Kate & CJ Subject: Re: fiddles and such... It's likely many of you have seen this before, but hear about fiddles from the source http://www.scour.com/Search/Search.phtml?query=joni+mitchell&index=special&protocol=all&x=13&y=13 great "Behind the Scenes" promo clip. Enjoy. Back to lurking. CJ McKenna np Yankees vs Cleveland ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:33:11 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni Rarities ** FREE ** On Cassette More than a dozen cassettes of Joni Rarities are available free to JMDLers. These cassettes have been meticulously selected for the highest available quality by Simon Montgomery and represent some very exciting performances and interviews. I recommend starting with a 3 cassette collection encompassing Tape Tree #1 & #2 that I call the Tape Tree Starter Kit. You'll get Joni in a Philadelphia coffee-house called the Second Fret on March 17, 1967. This is the earliest material on the Tape Trees. This was before her first album was released but the American country and folk industry knew her from her songwriting credits on "Circle Game" and "Urge For Going". You get the BBC Radio Concert with James Taylor in 1970 featuring songs from "Blue", and a promotional radio program created for the "Night Ride Home" set. There's a 1994 live set including "Sex Kills" back when it was an unreleased song under a working title, "Just Ice". To cap it off, there's a 1995 interview from radio's "All Things Considered" program. To participate you send blank cassettes and postage. For instructions send me an e-mail and I'll get right back to you. Enjoy! All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:57:57 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: borrowing beauty guitarzan wrote: >...I love hearing this insider stuff on Joni's >early days. But how can you be depressed? You sat there and got guitar instructions from the goddess herself! ; ) ;o), thanks for the encouraging words... spoken like a friend... whatever elements made up my personality at 17 as a 2yr 'veteran' pro folk performer, even though Joni would've taught me anything from her repertoire I asked her to, this guitar part, JLM, UFG, TCG and NOTC are the only ones I learned and that last I didn't retain... but you're right, and I am so, so grateful... it's like I was blessed! it's just that looking back with 20/20 hindsight with what I know now, there are quite a few more I could've learned. see, to me she wasn't a goddess, she was a pal... a really nice, warm friend who could play and jam with me and from whom I could learn like many of my other friends, brian moss for one, and, like brian, she was as important to me as a friend at least as much as she was as a musician, if not more... we'd shoot pool together, eat together or just drink coffee and hang out... of course, we'd also get out our martins and play... a lot of times I'd just listen while she perfected the playing of something... sometimes she'd play something two or more different ways and ask what I thought... and, even though I had no original material, she'd listen to me and make suggestions on my stuff as well... as house performer I'd always play the intermission sets in between the featured artist and, on weekends she was playing, oftentimes she'd come out and watch my sets and give me her feedback afterward. see, it's not just the music where I have regrets... or where I was blessed... I make the comparison with brian as she also was a mentor in my life and not only did she teach me much about how to sing and play but also how to live and, as with bri, many of the feelings and attitudes I have to this day, came from knowing her... but there is also a point where the comparison to brian leaves off and our relationship took on quite different characteristics... ah yes, I must confess to also being a card carrying member of the cactus tree club... you know... I'm that one who's '...seen her at the office with her name on all his papers, thru the sharing of the profits he will find it hard to shake her from his memory'... pat NP: For The Roses http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:27:11 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Joni in Atlanta Dear Joni Listers, Here is an overview if interessted. Chastain Park, an outdoor venue, is a great place for concerts. Not a bad seat. We were right above the floor, about 50 yds. from stage, slightly right of center. We met friends for dinner at our table for wine, dinner, and music. The evening was beautiful, about 80 degrees with a slight breeze. Very comfortable. All ages were in the audience. Our group ranged from late 30's to early 50's. Ladies in front of us were in their mid to late 60's. Young folk were there too of course. I proceeded to grab a couple of Corona's and take a seat about 7:45. The orchestra came on stage at about 8:10, and Joni walked out at about 8:30. She was stunning, wearing that green dress (you know the one), and looking good. She followed the musical set in the brochure. The entire BSN allbum. She said she was going to sing, and hoped everyone had a romantic evening. The venue seemed to be pretty full, with some empty seats in the upper rows. She seemed to spot those quickly. I watched her every move through binoculars. I could see her every move, wince, smile. The audience seemed very responsive after each song. Joni seemed to be very relaxed and in good spirits. She was enjoying herself. She would pause between songs, and respond to the crowd. I was a little surprised. She showed a true human side there, wanting a little more than to do a few songs and leave. She wanted the evening to be successful and fun also. She did show some compassion which made me feel very good about her. There were a few outbursts from the audience which she responded to. This seemed to open her up even more, smiling into the intro of the next song. She seemed to be having a wonderful evening, and so were we. She took about a 15 minute itermission. She walked back on stage with a red low cut top and over garments. Joni was stunning. She then introduced Larry Klein as the "mad Russian on Prozac" that nearly brought the house down. Joni talked a great deal more than I anticipated, probably due to the fact that she had no guitar to tune between songs. She proceeded with Hejira. I have to admit I got a little emotional. Larry's bass with Joni's voice was almost too much to bear. (Hejira is where I started connecting w/ her music in '77, and actually worked my way back in collecting all her early stuff) That song made my evening. The audience responded and some stood at that conclusion, as they did with Both Sides Now, and A Case of You. She left the stage after BSN, but the audience coaxed her to return with a standing ovation. Joni then said that Larry was choosing songs already from her next album. They played 3 of those. Sorry, I was so enthralled in her that I didn't get the titles. She then said goodnight, introduced some of the orchestra, then walked off stage. Some of the crowd worked their way down to the stage and she reached down and shook about 20 hands and waved to the rest. I was very envious. I tried desperately to get an autograph. I came armed with the Hissing of Summer Lawns album cover, and Turbulent Indigo CD jacket. We asked the sound men if they could take one back stage. They were firm with their denials, saying that she was a very private person, but if you were to meet her personlly she would probably be glad to. When the concert was over, I got my T-Shirt and hustled behind stage. I was going to hold my album cover up as she passed, hoping she would notice and even stop, but some folks were there at the driveway and said she got in the limo and left as soon as it was over. They went on to say that Ian Anderson (J. Tull) stood around the venue when he completed his concert and got into the back of a chevy cavalier. Signed autographs, stood for pictures etc. Oh well. Wanted to get a signed lithograph, but $175 was a little steep. Got the t-shrt with BSN paintings of her on front and back. They had others. I did manage to get a few extra brochures. If interested contact me personally and I'll see what I can do. Even though she did not play the guitar and did not play many of her own songs, I just enjoyed seeing her finally, and listening to that voice. There were a few killjoys saying "how many of Joni Mitchell songs did you recognize"? If they were Joni fans at all they should know what she's into now. This is her now. You must go on. Change is good. You have to move on. She definitely has her own unique way of singing. And, she is comfortable with that role. She smiled many times to "we love you Joni" chants from the audience. "Okay Atlanta!!!", she said. She seemed to connect with the evening and crowd very well. :) Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:08:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Atlanta In a message dated 5/21/00 3:07:15 PM US Central Standard Time, m_hicks@aiken.k12.sc.us writes: << There were a few outbursts from the audience which she responded to. >> One of which was when some guy yelled "What's Up" and Joni said "What?.....'Buck up'?" Thanks for the review Mike - wish we could have met! Bob NP: Brian Blade, "Reconciliation" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 19:11:33 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: May 30th can't get here fast enough!!! Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:53:57 -0500 From: Richard Rice Anyone have a time machine? May 30th can't get here fast enough!!! I want to see Joni and I want to see her nowwwwwww!!!!! It's especially difficult having to wait after reading all these wonderful posts from fellow listers. Bob Muller, my hat's off to you for such a fine review. You write so well, AND you're better looking than I am TOO. AND, you got to meet and touch (!!!!) Joni in person. --I hate you. But don't let that stop you from sending me tapes. :-) Stuart, in regard to your guitar questions... The core of Joni's guitar gear... Greenpeace. Her first VG8 ready guitar, courtesy of the gifted fingers of Fred Walecki. Parker Fly Classic. Villanized by most listers, but it is a ravashingly cool instrument with an unbelievable sustain. Martin D-45 Martin D-28 D2H Collings dreadnought and my fave among the aucoustics: the 3/4 size Baby Collings. I love the way she cradles that sweety. Of course, her gear has lots of custom work to them. (Is there any way we can get Bill Gates to provide Stipends to the list? I've tried the 'bouncing guests on the sofa thing' and nothing fell out of their pockets. One would need to pony up around 3 grand for the Collings... one very big Boo-Hoo.). As for the electric gear... I am not certain but a George Benson (Ibeneze?) comes to mind. Think "Amelia." Help here Paz. She is also fond of the Roland synth keyboards. (VG8 for the piano...). I finally got around to the Crystal setting on the VG8. I think dogs were sitting up and taking notice all around the block. I was a mess. Cooooool sounds tho. No wonder she went with that one for her first vg composition. Mesmerizing tones and colors. Very 'out' there. Is your memory that good Bob, or do you have a recording of the show? - --future CD tree perhaps? John Calimee. Not playing anything but managing not to be doing my chores, anyway. Best to all. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:29:14 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Concert Programs Down Under & in UK G'day, my Joni mates down under! I'm gonna send off to my Uncle John in Sydney enough of the BSN concert programs to pass around to anyone who'd like one. If you would, e-mail me privately with a mailing address so I can get a proper count and forward the addresses to John. (Yes, Hell, NZ is included too!) I'll be glad to do the same for the UK if someone wants to volunteer to distribute them over there - let me know. I noticed that someone was selling this same program on e-bay...damn, if I did that, I could pay for my New Orleans trip! As much as I enjoyed seeing Joni Friday night, it was bittersweet because I couldn't help but think of all her hardcore fans around the world that didn't get the lucky break I did. Since I can't deliver Joni, I thought maybe a souvenir of the tour would suffice until the next time she makes it across the shores. Forgive me if this sounds overly silly... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:44:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: May 30th can't get here fast enough!!! <> Maybe so, but you draw better than me and you play guitar better too, mainly because I don't play at all... <> Perfectly understandable, but get it straight....SHE was touching ME! LOL! <> Or CD's...if you haven't got them by now, the covers should be arriving anyday! <> I wish, and it would have been a breeze because security seemed to be pretty lax - people were bringing picnic baskets and all types of totebags - I could have brought in a soundboard probably, put some candles and a bottle of Jimmy Stewart Boone's Farm and gotten a really good recording! Instead, I looked like Jimmy Olsen, cub reporter with my pen and notebook, furiously taking down notes, and a good thing I did too or I would have forgotten a lot of detail...and a belated thanks to Steve too for bringing the binoculars and sharing them with me - I could see pretty well, but with the binocs I could get Joni's expressions and emotions much better! Bob NP: Brian Blade, "Variations of a Bloodline" (what a band!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 22:04:29 EDT From: Mommalion@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #269 Hello all. Having just signed up for the list, and then lurking for a week or so, I'm getting a sense of there being a strong Joni community on this list. I hope you'll tolerate a question whose answer you already know. What does this phrase mean? << Siquomb, isn't she? >> I did an internet search, and see that Siquomb was part of the name of an early record label for Joni, but don't see anything that would explain its usage in this context. I've been a Joni fan for 30+ years, and saw her in concert for the first time earlier this month, in Concord. I love her music, and really enjoyed seeing her in person. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 22:14:57 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #269 In a message dated 5/21/00 10:07:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mommalion@aol.com writes: << Hello all. Having just signed up for the list, and then lurking for a week or so, I'm getting a sense of there being a strong Joni community on this list. I hope you'll tolerate a question whose answer you already know. What does this phrase mean? << Siquomb, isn't she? >> I did an internet search, and see that Siquomb was part of the name of an early record label for Joni, but don't see anything that would explain its usage in this context. >> I keep telling the list members there oughta be an FAQ for new listers, but they all seem to prefer letting Bob M. answer this twice a week until eternity. Bob? ... Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 19:24:28 -0700 From: guitarzan@saber.net Subject: Re: borrowing beauty Beautifully expressed, Pat Thanks for sharing "P. Henry" wrote: > guitarzan wrote: > >...I love hearing this insider stuff on Joni's > >early days. But how can you be depressed? You > sat there and got guitar instructions from the > goddess herself! ; ) > > ;o), > thanks for the encouraging words... spoken like > a friend... whatever elements made up my > personality at 17 as a 2yr 'veteran' pro folk > performer, even though Joni would've taught me > anything from her repertoire I asked her to, this > guitar part, JLM, UFG, TCG and NOTC are the only > ones I learned and that last I didn't retain... > but you're right, and I am so, so grateful... > it's like I was blessed! it's just that looking > back with 20/20 hindsight with what I know now, > there are quite a few more I could've learned. > see, to me she wasn't a goddess, she was a pal... > a really nice, warm friend who could play and jam > with me and from whom I could learn like many of > my other friends, brian moss for one, and, like > brian, she was as important to me as a friend at > least as much as she was as a musician, if not > more... we'd shoot pool together, eat together or > just drink coffee and hang out... of course, we'd > also get out our martins and play... a lot of > times I'd just listen while she perfected the > playing of something... sometimes she'd play > something two or more different ways and ask what > I thought... and, even though I had no original > material, she'd listen to me and make suggestions > on my stuff as well... as house performer I'd > always play the intermission sets in between the > featured artist and, on weekends she was playing, > oftentimes she'd come out and watch my sets and > give me her feedback afterward. > see, it's not just the music where I have > regrets... or where I was blessed... I make the > comparison with brian as she also was a mentor in > my life and not only did she teach me much about > how to sing and play but also how to live and, as > with bri, many of the feelings and attitudes I > have to this day, came from knowing her... but > there is also a point where the comparison to > brian leaves off and our relationship took on > quite different characteristics... ah yes, I must > confess to also being a card carrying member of > the cactus tree club... you know... I'm that one > who's '...seen her at the office with her name on > all his papers, thru the sharing of the profits > he will find it hard to shake her from his > memory'... > > pat > > NP: For The Roses > > http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/albums/album1/ > http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff/badwolff.html > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 19:28:56 -0700 From: guitarzan@saber.net Subject: Re: Guitar Stuart3333@aol.com wrote: > Hi, could anybody tell me which guitars Joni has played in the past? > Thanks, Stuart The short answer would be, mainly Martins for most of her carreer. During the Jaco/Pat Metheny period she played a fat hollowbody (Ibanez I believe). In addition to the other guitars Richard Rice listed, I seem to recall seeing her with a Fender Stratocaster at some point. Did I just imagine that? RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:29:53 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: pre-show gather - ny - 5/22/00 From: "patrick leader" Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:29:36 -0400 hey folks, i wasn't planning on attending either of the shows in manhattan. i was intending to go to judy's chelsea, eighth avenue between 18th and 19th, around 6:30 to meet other jmdlers and enjoy the piano stylings of mr. david lahm, and that plan never changed. i'm even more excited because a last minute ticket has come through for me. so i'll be there, pretty early, departing around 7:10 pm. anyone else planning on showing up, for preshow conversation? patrick np - chelsea morning - paul horn et. al. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 22:46:53 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #269 When Joni was writing her first songs, she was reading Token's trilogy and had a few acronyms for names of fairy tale characters. This one was "She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind (and) Body." She adopted it as the name of her publishing organization. Good question! Do you have others? And by the way, welcome to JMDL! I hope you'll find a home here as so many of us have! - ----- Original Message ----- From: > What does this phrase mean? << Siquomb, isn't she? >> Jim Lamadoo near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 19:45:35 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Our Lady Of Duality, an essay, Long Jim wrote: > After I posted it, I sent a copy to jj and told him that it's a work in progress, that i'd re-submit it to him >as a concert review. He fired back that it was 'great' and he wanted to put it up on a page of a >city that had particularly inane reader reviews. As if to punch up the review section. This was exactly my thought, too! Your post was divinely inspired and just said it all - alpha and omega. I know it's not fair, but I was thinking it would be great if all the inspired, "get it" posts could be brought up to the front of the review scroll list and the inane ones put in another area where one would click on "more archived reviews", heehee. On the other hand, I almost felt sorry for some of those people that have stayed petulantly stuck somewhere in frozen time and are now belatedly punching in their cyber-world selections on the human jukebox that they still imagine Joni to be. I got a good laugh out of some of them, e.g., "where was the dulcaimer?" (sic). But some of them truly irked me, e.g. "I spent a lot of money and she didn't give me what I wanted and didn't play her old songs, yada, yada." Isn't it amazingly ironic that not only did they not seem to give recognition to "old songs", "Judgement of the Moon and Stars" or "For The Roses", but also missed the whole significance of those selections? Even if they couldn't hear the lyrics from the orchestra drowning them out they should have known them by heart and "gotten" it. "They're going to aim the hoses on you" and "just when you're getting a taste for worship, they start bringing out the hammers and the nails." Indeed. The fact that she so courageously attempted these two songs in particular was singularly the most astounding high point of the show to me. It doesn't matter that they are not perfectly realized by the orchestra due to lack of rehearsal time or the dissonant complexity of the music itself. What matters is that we are blessed to be hearing another "Paprika Plains" figuratively speaking, in the making and I am so grateful for this. I think of Charles Mingus inviting Joni to collaborate with him after hearing the out of tune orchestra recording of Paprika Plains and telling her "you're a nervy broad." Charlie got it. Kakki NP: Joni - Blond in the Bleachers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 00:28:10 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: May 30th can't get here fast enough!!! In a message dated 5/21/2000 9:17:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard Rice wrote::::::::: << Anyone have a time machine? May 30th can't get here fast enough!!! I want to see Joni and I want to see her nowwwwwww!!!!! >> Patience..half the fun is the anticipation. Whoo-Hoo! Catgirl going to THREE different shows..JONI HEAVEN!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 00:34:25 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Guitar In a message dated 5/21/2000 10:32:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << Stuart3333@aol.com wrote: > Hi, could anybody tell me which guitars Joni has played in the past? > Thanks, Stuart The short answer would be, mainly Martins for most of her carreer. >> I remember one of her gigs she played a Seagull Guitar which come from Canada. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 00:50:52 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Our Lady Of Duality, an essay, Long, long, long (Sorry Steve!) Hi Kakki, This is began it's life as an off-list reply but it grew. Thanks so much for your praise. Joni is so important to me. I always wanted to write an explanation, a justification of her talents. Plural. Her many profound talents. I just found out that my lunch date, Cindy is breaking off our alfresco, perfect lunches. I never confessed it to her but I'm totally in love with her and have been for years and understand her to her bones, so I've been crying and crying and crying tonight. I haven't cried for 10 years at least but I made up for it tonight and then some. Ask MG. So this might be even more wacky than ordinary. You said, > Your post was divinely inspired and just > said it all - alpha and omega. Uhmmm, since I'm suddenly available and all.... will you marry me? :) I don't know why, maybe you don't get to find out why, but praise for my writing has always been very moving to me. I guess it one of those low selfesteem, external validation things. For what ever reason, maybe vanity, if I take hours and hours with a post, i sort of look to see if anyone reacted and it just knocks me out how much you loved it. It's especially nice after this day today with cindy! You said, > I know it's not fair, but I was thinking it > would be great if all the inspired, "get it" posts could be brought up to > the front of the review scroll list and the inane ones put in another area > where one would click on "more archived reviews", heehee. Well, yeah! I'm just shocked that someone would submit SHIT like "I saw joni tonight and i was disappointed" to an artist's web page. If I were jj, it would feel awful!!! Having to put up stuff like that when he's in it to exhalt her. It reads to me, almost like hate mail. And lots of people did that. These are people who, at one point or another, loved her! You said, > On the other > hand, I almost felt sorry for some of those people that have stayed > petulantly stuck somewhere in frozen time and are now belatedly punching in > their cyber-world selections on the human jukebox that they still imagine > Joni to be. I got a good laugh out of some of them, e.g., "where was the > dulcaimer?" (sic). But some of them truly irked me, e.g. "I spent a lot of > money and she didn't give me what I wanted and didn't play her old songs, > yada, yada." Isn't it amazingly ironic that not only did they not seem to > give recognition to "old songs", "Judgement of the Moon and Stars" or "For > The Roses", but also missed the whole significance of those selections? Even among CD buyers, most people don't have the faintest idea, and i mean the faintest glimmer about "judgement of the moon and stars". it's sooo deep. Naw, it's just another track, right? It just a tune to whistle on the way to work, in the car. Even among jmdlers, it's just too deep. me, I loved philosophy class but 75% of the class was getting very very low grades. they didn't have a clue. they'd sit through lecture and none of it would stick! i'm afraid i threw off the curve. Like me at a football game- it's totally wasted on me. "yeah, they're THROWING the ball. So what? You mean you are imbuing that with MEANING? You'll actually stand around later and DISCUSS that?.......... Really?" I just don't get it and never will. > Even if they couldn't hear the lyrics from the orchestra drowning them out > they should have known them by heart and "gotten" it. Sure. You can't hear lyrics at most shows in hockey areanas, that's for sure. I agree, you and i know those words in our TEETH. They're ingrained! To you and me, it's not just sylables between the chord changes, they ARE imbued with meaning. And multiple meanings. And meanings that shift! Like little green and BSN to lazily quote the obvious. And double entendres. And illiteration. And on and on. it's no wonder most folks don't get it. you have to have a college level education that includes _proficiency_ in lit and philosophy and politics and sociology. And that's just the words. we haven't even touched on the _musical_ demands that she puts on us! You not only have to be proficient in these disciplines, (I just decided to post this in spite of the personal shit in here and capitalization errors) but you have to actually enjoy having these abilities _tweaked_ as your driving your car or doing your housework or making love. Then simultaneously you have to understand that she's shifting from a simple guitar only intro to a lush arrangement on purpose and why it compliments the story. You have to be able to jump from folk _like_ simplicity on the first album, to complex pop on C&S, to a late-night sophisticated jazz piano interlude on Harry's House to electronic jangles on the into to "harlem in havana". You have to 1 be able to follow that 2 be willing to make the jump with her and 3 actually enjoy being challanged in this way. (While you're _simultaneously_ relishing the double entredres and symbolism of the forceps and the stone.) Maybe we're asking the wrong question Kakki. Maybe we should be asking, "How can any one person actually keep track of all this shifting shit in different disciplines while creating it?" Maybe we should be asking, "Removed from an acedemic atmosphere, how can a listener actually do all this work, especially in real-time?" "How can a listener not only follow it all intellectually but enjoy it with the heart, simultaneously?" Maybe it's a miracle that it EVER works, let alone that it works year after year, trick after trick, marraige after marraige, with different players on every album, over and over. It's amazing that a human could pull off this kind of magic ONCE on one track, let alone make a whole career out of it. Maybe it's a miracle that it's also universal enough that it sells at all. I mean, who could possibly FOLLOW all this shit and enjoy it enough to take the ride next year?? >"They're going to aim > the hoses on you" and "just when you're getting a taste for worship, they > start bringing out the hammers and the nails." Indeed. The fact that she > so courageously attempted these two songs in particular was singularly the > most astounding high point of the show to me. It doesn't matter that they > are not perfectly realized by the orchestra due to lack of rehearsal time or > the dissonant complexity of the music itself. yah, she' amazingly brave among all the other attributes and abilities > What matters is that we are > blessed to be hearing another "Paprika Plains" figuratively speaking, in the > making and I am so grateful for this. yes, she's taking chances and letting us in on its development as it happens. On the dylan tour, not critcising, it was all arrangements from the catalog. This is bold stuff. this is not a lazy artist, coasting on her arranger's work, mouthing the words! I can't wait to see her attempt this high wire act in Detroit. Like that line that someone wrote for susan sarrandon on the tribute- she takes us on a hi wire and walks us ALLLLLL the way across. On top of all the other abilities Joan is thorough!!!! > I think of Charles Mingus inviting > Joni to collaborate with him after hearing the out of tune orchestra > recording of Paprika Plains and telling her "you're a nervy broad." Charlie > got it. > > Kakki Yes, Charlie got it. Charlie should be quoted on jm.com this week! lamadoo ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #202 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?