From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #198 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, May 19 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 198 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Wobbling hoax ["Paul Castle" ] Joni's Florida Concert ...and what she wore. [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Re: Conversation Cover ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Florida Joni Photos [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Making Van Goghs [Deb Messling ] Re: Joni's Florida Concert ...and what she wore. [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Joni's Concert in Florida [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni's Concert In Florida [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Atlanta tonight, and various ramblings [Cindy09876@aol.com] Re: Joni's Concert in Florida (wardrobe content) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni's Concert In Florida ["James L. Leonard" ] Joni in Atlanta ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Joni mentions [Jason Maloney ] Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm ["P. Henry" ] Re: Joni mentions [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Conversation Cover [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni is mentioned in songs [Steve Dulson ] Re: Atlanta tonight, and various ramblings [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Funny Joni (attention archivists) ["Paul Castle" ] Cover project svjc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: borrowing beauty ["P. Henry" ] Re: Urge for Going Controversy ["P. Henry" ] Five decades of Joni [Steve Dulson ] West Palm Photos! [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Joni mentions [Brian Gross ] Re: Joni Numinosity [Catherine McKay ] Our Lady Of Duality, an essay, Long ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Prince mentions Joni in a lyric ["Michael Bird" ] Concert photos [Les Irvin ] concert venues [Howard Motyl ] Re: Prince mentions Joni in a lyric ["Bryan Thomas" ] Re: Urge for Going Controversy ["Kakki" ] Re: Florida Joni Photos [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Joni in FL [Steve Dulson ] Re: Joni Mentions [Emmy M Burns ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:28:49 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Wobbling hoax Dear John No nastiness - It's a hoax says http://www.hoaxkill.com Please don't post virus alerts without checking here or similar sites first. It makes me Wobbly! PaulC PS Oh, and changing your default from to 'Rich Text (HTML) to 'Plain Text' in the 'Format' menu up the top would be a good first step in making us all feel a little more secure. Then we can all have a good laugh teasing viola players without fear of a new virus called 'Viola' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 04:29:45 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Joni's Florida Concert ...and what she wore. What a wonderful evening with Joni!! In the covered open air amphitheater, the Florida night was dry and breezy and the near full moon hovered through the palm trees behind the audience. I arrived with my husband Steve and two friends (who are new to Joni) about a half hour before showtime. I was anxious to get to the concession stands to buy posters and lithos and anything else that looked good. The lines were thick with people at the stand with only two people selling. To my dismay the prices of the lithos were not the same as those in California... here the lithos were $50 unsigned and $175 signed!! In California the signed ones were $100 and I had planned to get several. I was a bit upset about that and now I had to decide. There were 4 to choose from..the front of BSN, the back of BSN, the yellow flowers and the one of Don and Joni tongue kissing. (Not my favorite.) The t-shirts were $27. The BSN one is a dark greenish brown with the front photo on the front and the back photo on the back. Nowhere does it say Joni Mitchell or Both Sides Now on it (except in the tiny copyright). There was also the Turbulent Indigo shirt, the Taming the Tiger shirt and surprise...the tongue kissing shirt, as well as a dark brown shirt that looked like the sticker on promo cd. I couldn't read it and I didn't think it was that attractive. I bought two shirts and was disappointed I had to settle for only one signed litho (the front BSN). They did provide a tube, although I had also brought my own. There was also a black quilted (I think) vest for $50 something and a black mug for $20. The mugs were all sold out and I didn't see what was on them. A bit pricey for that though. . They also didn't have the "Happiness is the best facelift" shirt. I overheard someone say there were no programs. Disappointed! :( I had planned to take a bunch to keep and to share. I still want one. I wonder if each venue is doing something else or if they ran out of them in California. I then went to find my seat. Got a nice greeting from Orlando Ted. Got settled in to row L in the middle of the left section. Not as close a view as I'd hoped but OK. Nobody checked for cameras, and I got my digital ready. I saw a lot of the concert through the viewfinder. The set list was the same as described at the previous shows. It started with a orchestra piece unfamiliar to me but my friend thought it might be DeBussey. Afterwards, Joni stolled out, unannounced, and started right in with "Your My Thrill". The orchestra was full and lush and the sound was fine. She seemed very happy to be up there singing. I love her wonderful sway and expressive hand movements! The outfits she wore to this show were the best yet!! She seems to have an entire wardrobe of what I think is Issey Miyake. The first one was a very vivid turquoise full length dress with a long cape, the inside of which was a an equally vivid green. The fabric was a vertically crinkled parachute-like material. The front of the dress had a cropped-length top over the bodice, and below that, the dress had 3 layers that folded upwards. There was a green fabric belt above her waist. It was sort of in a kimono style. I barely got the see them, but a pair a white crinkly pants peeked out a couple of inches below the bottom of the dress. She was wearing white sandals. (I barely saw this because her feet were always behind the speakers, out of my view.) At one point she pushed the cape back over her shoulders, which exposed short green sleeves. What was really lovely about the dress was how the cape billowed in the breeze. While she sang, she occasionally held the ends of the cape in her hands and moved it around. At one point she even wrapped it around her clutching her hands to her chest. Very effective. Her jewelry was all gold, and she wore it sparingly. (Gold chain necklace, bracelet, a couple of rings and small dangly earrings). She spoke of the arc of a romance in Both Sides Now. She talked about her concert days in Coconut Grove and Coral Gables, Florida which got a very positive reaction. The stories have already been described so I won't repeat them. People were calling out songs for her to sing. I think the biggest response was to A Case of You. For the most part the audience was either enraptured by her music or being polite. I loved her response when someone asked her to play guitar. She said she didn't bring any instuments. He said he brought one and she said, "I forgot how to play,,, I bought a bra and burned my guitar." (I wonder if she's used that line before? They were kind of perky though ;-) . During the intermission I ran into Don from Ft. Laud and Jimmy Stewart and David Mingus from Ft. Myers. I was greeted with wonderful hugs. After intermission Joni really WOWED me with what she wore. This might be hard to describe but here goes. You've got to see the pictures! She had on a shiny black, very definite accordian-pleated dress. Very avante-garde! Something you might see on a Japanese runway model with very wacky hair. The front and back had a V-neck. The dress gracefully flowed from her shoulders and then flipped out into a bell shape around the knees, (as if supported by wire, but it might be a very stiff fold). Then it narrows again towards the ankles. Beneath that, the white pants were again peeking out. I didn't see if she changed her shoes or not. She rolled the sleeves up a couple of times. The bell part of the dress moved in opposition to her. It was very wild and actually very flattering. It looked like it was fun to wear. It even seemed to change color in the different lighting. Can you tell I loved this one too? (Wonder how to hang it in the closet or pack it? Maybe she could lend it to me for my daughter's wedding next month. I still don't have a dress.This one certainly makes a statement and I'm sure it would fit. ;-) ) Joni really grooved in the second half. I am always moved by her new version of Both Sides Now. As much as she enjoys singing the standards, she seemed much more energized singing her own words. She told the story about Beethoven and how he felt he got popular with the worst piece of shit that he wrote. (Mmm, sounds familiar.) I loved when she sang Ludwig's Tune, and Hejira and For the Roses. Be Cool, too. I can't wait to here the reworked versions of these earlier works on her next CD. The orchestra was a bit overpowering though. My friend said she couldn't hear the words on these. I heard it clearly, but I knew them by heart. I would also love to hear these with less accompanyment. She kept referring to Larry as her Russian (something....I forgot) ex-husband. They always seem share a kiss on stage. Very sweet. Her encore was Trouble Man. She scooted off the stage right after that. Another treasured Joni evening for me. By the way, if any of you are thinking of going to one of the future shows on the tours, and are concerned about not having tickets, there seemed to be a lot of people selling tickets for reduced prices in the parking lot. Don mentioned a guy in the first row in front of him had just bought his ticket for $75. He was practically on the stage. Looking forward to all the reviews. I'll write more as I think of it. Hope you enjoyed the detailed dress descriptions. But check the photos on JM.com. A picture is definitely worth a thousand words. So much Joni!! Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:50:03 PDT From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: Conversation Cover <> I am pretty sure that this version of Conversation HAS been included in the box set, Bob. I haven't got it with me right now so I can't tell you which volume or disc, but I've heard it! As for new entries in the collection, I don't know whether they have been included in previous volumes, but I have Joni's contribution to David Baerwald "Liberty Lies" and Cassandra Wilson covering "Black Crow". Interested? Raffaele (London) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 04:56:03 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Florida Joni Photos Hi, You must check out the Florida Joni Photo that David Mingus took of Joni. It is absolutely gorgeous. Thank you David, my fellow photographer, for this wonderful, expressive image of Joni. I love it! Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:04:23 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Making Van Goghs Joni says that her song "Turbulent Indigo" was inspired by a speech she delivered before a Canadian Council for the Arts conference called "Making Van Goghs." Has the text of her remarks ever surfaced? How about any newspaper coverage of the event? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:32:59 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Florida Concert ...and what she wore. << There were 4 to choose from..the front of BSN, the back of BSN, the yellow flowers and the one of Don and Joni tongue kissing. (Not my favorite.) Regarding the tongues: The more I think about Donald and Joni's tongue shot, the more I think that it is not them french kissing or doing anything kiss-like. It has been making me think about being a kid and hanging out with another neighborhood kid and wondering about the grossest thing we could do: eat a dead mouse? Couldn't find any. Wear my baby brother's diaper as a hat? Not when my mom kept feeding him spinach. Touch tongues? Yuck, but...maybe, just maybe, we could....stick....out....the...tips.....and....touch! And we did and exploded into giggles. And I get that giggly, "feel-like-a-kid-again" feeling from that picture. >> The outfits she wore to this show were the best yet!! She seems to have an entire wardrobe of what I think is Issey Miyake. >> My daughter Signe is a devotee of haute couture, (not my genes, I can guarantee you!), and thinks that the opening Concord outfit was an Issey. Very runway looking but again, the more I think about it, when I muse about the crinkly material, I wonder if she had a theme of dressing a bit like her BSN LE box. Think about it: the crinkly material is a bit like the lining of a fancy box of chocolates and Joni is awfully delectable and she is on a theme kick with the BSN stuff. Enough thinking for this morning - must save some thought cells for work. MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:35:30 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Concert in Florida Kakki wrote: << Yeah, but you got the signed lithos we didn't! Guess we need to all work out some kind of "sharing agreement." ;-D >> I still haven't told my partner Ed about the signed litho being $175. He just saw the sign that lithos were $50., and didn't see the fine print underneath the sign. I'm real happy I bought one, but for you people that are about to go to Joni's concert LEAVE YOUR CREDIT CARDS AT HOME! It's just way too tempting to buy all things Joni. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:40:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Concert In Florida In a message dated 5/18/00 8:01:40 PM US Central Standard Time, jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: << We began walking to the car just after "For The Roses," knowing we would hear "Trouble Man" on our way out. >> Boston Jim! You WALKED OUT on Joni!!??!! No more CD's for you! LOL! Just kidding pal. I understand...I'm gonna have to do a turnaround tonight myself so I can get back to town and catch my son's baseball game in the morning...glad you made the show. If Atlanta has any programs, I'll snag some extras! Bob NP: "You've Changed" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:48:14 EDT From: Cindy09876@aol.com Subject: Atlanta tonight, and various ramblings hi..... i'm cindy. new to the list, but thrilled to find you guys. guess there are like-minded people all out there in Cyberia, if you just know which doors to open. i had to write and thank you all - i've been a fan FOREVER it seems - LOTC days - and have testified to and converted many a new fan, but tonight i get to finally SEE joni. i couldn't be more excited! listening to you guys has really had me thinking about all the times that joni has touched me with the perfect lyric, the sweetest note. i've eavesdropped details about the shows and about how they and her music have moved y'all, and the anticipation has built in me so much more even. thank you for sharing this deliciousness with me! as an aside to whomever (i'm sorry - i'm wretched with names) told the sweetest story about receiving again your well-loved albums as a gift from your daughter.... isn't Little Green amazing? i'm adopted and have spent many hours wondering who my birthmother is and what circumstances led her to let me go. the fantasy solely inspired by that song has slowly burrowed its way into my cynical soul and has finally led me to get off my duff and begin to search for her. february 16, '62, in case you're out there, mom. anyhow, i leave you, beginning the drive to the concert and reflecting on the journeys that i've been on already getting there. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:04:13 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Concert in Florida (wardrobe content) Coyote asks: << I was wondering if you had any comments about her wardrobe? Did she have the crinkly thing cleaned and wore it again in Florida? >> I do have a couple of comments on Joni's wardrobe, although Pearl has done a very good job of describing her outfits. I thought Joni's wardrobe was "fun". I can't see her strolling in the mall wearing them, but they were great for the concert. I assume they were both Miyakee (sp), but I don't know much about fashion. I did like both of the outfits better than the gold crinkly one she wore in SF. Pleats were the theme for the Florida wardrobe. The first dress was tourquois with a bright green lining. Not my cup of tea, but it looked good on Joni! The second dress looked like something you might see Grace Jones wear, although not as revealing. It was a shiny black pleated number which clung to her body until it belled out around her knees and them tapered back down to her ankles. My partner said "I told Joni NO WIRE HANGERS". It did look like she had a wire coat hanger stuck in her dress LOL. I'm sure Mr. Blackwell wouldnt' have anything nice to say about Joni's new style, but what does he know anyway! I think Joni was doing something new and fun. I'm glad she's wearing something different. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:08:30 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Joni's Concert In Florida I just KNEW I'd hear something from somebody (most likely you, Bob) about leaving during "Trouble Man." :-) I almost didn't 'fess up! And, believe me, I didn't want to leave. (We heard every note before reaching the car, if that helps save my now-soiled reputation.) :-) Jimmy just dropped me a line off-list to confirm that there was indeed gridlock getting out of there, so I know in my guilty heart I did the right thing. I was truly tired already, and had that very long drive ahead. It turned out I had a hard time staying awake on the way home in the deep, deep darkness of rural central FLA, but the excitement of the concert and all the Joni we blasted in the car saw me through. Then, I couldn't sleep once we'd arrived home. Go figure! Have a GREAT time in Atlanta tonight! I hope those Chastain season-ticket holders are well-behaved! "Boston Jim" NP: "Marcie," PBS-TV Los Angeles, CA 11/30/69 P.S. Bob, I wouldn't know what to do without these live CDs you've very generously provided. Thanks again! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 4:40 AM Subject: Re: Joni's Concert In Florida > In a message dated 5/18/00 8:01:40 PM US Central Standard Time, > jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > << We began walking to the car just after "For The > Roses," knowing we would hear "Trouble Man" on our way out. >> > > Boston Jim! > > You WALKED OUT on Joni!!??!! > > No more CD's for you! LOL! Just kidding pal. I understand...I'm gonna have to > do a turnaround tonight myself so I can get back to town and catch my son's > baseball game in the morning...glad you made the show. If Atlanta has any > programs, I'll snag some extras! > > Bob > > NP: "You've Changed" > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:56:03 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Joni in Atlanta Going to the Joni concert in Atlanta tonight. I have a table and and we will wine and dine under the stars. Can't think of a better way to spend a Friday night. I have been waiting for this for years. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:39:01 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Joni mentions > From: "Duncan MacDonald" > Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:08:01 +0100 > > Dear Fellow Fans > > I know Joni is mentioned in two songs > > 1) Hey Joni : Sonic Youth =20 > 2) Stupid girl : Neil Young (Plus an unreleased Young song) > > Are there any others? Nik Kershaw - Radio Musicola ("I got a question, so send it to the nearest closet...why can't we do it like Joni does it?") Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:08:34 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm Maurice wrote: >According to an article about her performance at Mariposa '66 - Folk Festival - The Globe 8/20/66 "They came to be entertained; to hear Pete Seeger sing Down By The Riverside with the Staple Singers at the close of a Friday night concert at which Joni Mitchell, a willowy Canadian, painted lyrical pictures of life on the Prairies...... "And I get the urge for goin', when The meadow grass is turnin' brown, and Summer time is fallin' down, and Winter's closin' in."> and Kakki responded: >Thanks, Maurice, Bob and Paul for the Joni "beginning history" lesson. I'm glad to hear she played it fairly regularly in the old days because it is one of my favorites. If I could have a Joni wish, I would wish to be transported back to those early days seeing her just starting out along with Pat Henry and a few lucky others here.> as the booking guy at the Cellar I was the one who received all the 8X10 glossies as well as xerox copies of articles and reviews, all for me to use for advertising the performance, of course. this globe article is fairly typical of the stuff Joni used to send me escept that there's no mention of TCG. (unless, of course, it's further on in the context) it's hard to get the feel of it 34yrs after the fact with Joni material to be found everywhere from nat'l enquirer to the smithsonian but in those days there was one thing that was universal in these articles and reviews... it kinda went like: "blah, blah, blah, blah, saskatoon blah, blah, blah, blah, willowy blah, blah, blah, blah, songwriter blah, blah, 'The Circle Game' blah, blah, 'Urge For Going' blah, blah." I mean this is really how it was. TCG and UFG were ALWAYS mentioned in EVERY Joni article/review! ...which is because they were her best known and most popular songs. ...in fact 'fairly regularly' doesn't even come close to saying it... if Joni pulled her guitar out of the case and mounted a stage, whether she played three sets or one, that she played Urge for Going is a given. pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:45:52 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni mentions << I know Joni is mentioned in two songs 1) Hey Joni : Sonic Youth >> Hi Duncan, We mentioned this track a couple weeks back - I'm a fairly big SY fan, so was familiar with the song but had no proof, lyrical or otherwise, that it was about OUR Joni. I e-mailed the guy who runs a SY website, he's also a Joni fan, and he said he has no clue as to what it's about... If you have some evidence that ties it to Joni, that would be cool to see! Your Pal, Bob NP: "At Last" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:01:00 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Conversation Cover In a message dated 5/19/00 2:52:50 AM US Central Standard Time, r_malanga@hotmail.com writes: << I am pretty sure that this version of Conversation HAS been included in the box set, Bob. I haven't got it with me right now so I can't tell you which volume or disc, but I've heard it!>> You lose that bet, Raffi...I've spent a lot of time with those discs over the past couple of months, and know them like my best pals! No "Conversation". That doesn't mean you haven't heard it, however... <> I put Cassandra's hatchet job of Black Crow on Covers, Volume 1, which I initially offerred up last year but which has become much more requested once Volume 2 came into being. Let me know if you need it (of course you do! ;-D) As for the Baerwald, I have the record and have never heard significant Joni in it, so I haven't included it. Maybe if the time comes when I need it to complete a Volume I'll toss it on! Meanwhile, keep searching for those covers...here's one I'd like - Dave Stewart's take on "Amelia"... Bob NP: ACOY from BSN ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:07:22 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni is mentioned in songs Duncan MacDonald wrote: >1) Hey Joni : Sonic Youth =20 >2) Stupid girl : Neil Young (Plus an unreleased Young song) >Are there any others? So Blue: Stan Rogers ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:05:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Atlanta tonight, and various ramblings In a message dated 5/19/00 5:50:39 AM US Central Standard Time, Cindy09876@aol.com writes: << hi..... i'm cindy. new to the list, but thrilled to find you guys. >> Welcome, Cindy - I'll be at the show tonight too, I'll be wearing my officail JMDL reporter's garb, denim JMDL shirt and I'll have a pair of binoculars to assist my 42-year old peepers to get all the details. Hope to meet ya', or at least to hear more from you here in "Cyberia"! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:35:30 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Funny Joni (attention archivists) Erin Stoy wrote about Joni and Chuck >The two of them got into a tiff at their gig, so she >decided to walk back to their hotel and ended up >in a black neighborhood. When she walked by, in >gold shoes and gold tights and a gold minidress >and with long gold hair, the boisterous area grew >very quiet, and she heard a black man's voice on >a balcony saying "Let it go by....Just let it go by." Very occasionally I pass on little nuggets like these to DJ, Gene Shay, who, I like to think, would be on here if he had the time. Today he has sent me this story and news of an imminent broadcast he will be doing on June 2nd. He writes, "I'll be joining afternoon DJ Helen Leicht (pronounced, "light" ) and playing excerpts of my 1967 -68 interviews with Joni. The station is celebrating Joni's appearance in town that night." This will also be broadcast on the net (see details below) and he'd be pleased if we could pass the word around. If someone could record this for me, I would be really grateful. I have only read of Gene's effect on early FM radio, his inspiration to so many in his profession, his long running and highly respected folk show and, of course, his special fondness for The Enchanted Lady. I can't wait to hear what he sounded like then and what he sounds like today. (and the same goes Joni). As an oldie, this would be a very special treasure for me). Here's Gene's full post. >> Hi Paul, The first time I met Joni and Chuck she was wearing a gold lamé minskirt and matching gold high heel pumps (Not super high heels--more modest). They were both appearing at Philadelphia's Second Fret Coffeehouse. Chuck would do his set to open---mainly songs from Three Penny Opera and old covers by Gordon Lightfoot, etc. Then Joni would do her set---her own songs mainly. And then Chuck would come back on stage and join her in Circle Game. Ironically, I just spent some time with Chuck in Philadelphia where he was booked for one week to play elementary and middle schools--one each morning. It's part of an outreach program sponsored by the Phila. Folksong Society. Chuck told me he hardly sings professionally anymore, He lives in Iowa where he buys old houses, cheap and after fixing them up, sells them at a higher price. One more item that may interest you. On Friday, June 2 on WXPN, Philadelphia. Helen's show is on from 10Am till 2PM and at this point I'm not sure what segment is set aside for the Joni interviews--most likely around noon. But we are on the Internet: XPN- Member Supported Radio from the University. which is also file://xpn.org Thought you may wish to pass along this info. Thanks for the Joni story, Gene >>>>>>>>>>>>> PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:04:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Cover project svjc bob, do you have sergio mendes and his orchestra doing chelsea morning? wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:06:10 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: borrowing beauty "P. Henry" wrote: >do you perhaps recall her playing of "Wizard of Is'? as I have shared before, Joni wrote the entire song to the exact tune and chords, including guitar parts, of L.Cohen's 'Suzanne'.> then randy wrote and asked: Pat, I am curious, when she performed it, did she point out that it was a rewrite of 'Suzanne', or just play it cold? randy, please forgive me for taking this long to respond to this. (note: as I have been saying, I've been barely hanging on as far as participating in the list at all, mostly skimming and archiving fro, hopefully, future reference. since I'm on digest it really is a good idea to also address posts to me if you want a response from me. I only saw this because I was searching for something else and I hope I haven't missed too many others for the same reason) the answer is: yes, absolutely! *every* time she played it without fail! ...and since, as I've said before, this was the closest thing to a cover that she ever did in her own sets, it was the only disclaimer she ever had to make. (remember also, they were close friends) actually I could kick myself because, while I learned the guitar part from Joni soley so that I could play the very popular Suzanne, I could have also easily obtained the lyrics to WOI from her and learned that as well! oh, this is depressing to think about! pat :o( Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:17:32 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Urge for Going Controversy Bob wrote: > Cool, Mark - I didn't know that, I assumed it was the same >recording as on the Alternate Blue! And for sure you could >sing it as any gender to any gender as far as that goes...> and Kakki replied: >On my version of Alternate Blue, she sings "had me a man". Also checked my complete Second Frets and it is "had a man". However, Joni's recording on the Alternate Blue sounds different than the version on "Hits". I long ago lost my "Hits" liner notes but I recall there was some history of the recording there. My "Hits" cassette is buried in my car but maybe I'll dig it out and listen to see if the Alternate Blue UFG is a alternate take, so to speak. I'm sure Maurice knows!> LoL!!! folks, apparently this confusion started with my post about which of Joni's songs I could perform and some songs, as someone said, being 'manly'... I thought I was pretty clear that the verses I was quoting were as *I* would sing them! if not I apologize to all of you for the confusion... kakki, don't waste your time... I'm sure no one is gonna find *Joni* singing about a summer colored girl. that was just li'l ol' me! pat ps - here's the post: "From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Urge for controversy philip wrote: >I'm sure it is a Joni song but there is something manly about that song.> as many are probably tired of my bragging about it, (which, of course, won't slow me down even a little... LoL!) Urge was one of the songs Joni taught me herself and one which I played for years as part of my own sets. although I've never really thought about it before in this sense, you have a point. beside the fact that this song was particularly well suited to my voice, a kind of showtunish ('Mariah') alto-lead, *wondering if there is such a thing* of the material I performed, not a lot of the popular folk stuff of the time contained any particularly 'manly' moments (ie: the kind that made the ladies go hmmm) and, thinking of it now, Urge, as performed by a guy, did/does lend itself to such a feeling... two segments which stand out in my mind in this regard are 1) "I had a girl in summer time, with summer colored skin...' and, even more so, 2) the last verse which comes off particularly powerful in 'male mode', 'I'll lock the vagrant winter out, and bolt my wanderin' in...' ...on top of this, in a strong male voice, the melody line is very powerful, tending to give the listener chills if done right. 'nuff said. pat" hope this is clear now... sorry. Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:26:17 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Five decades of Joni Updating my concert database, I see that Joni is the only artist I have seen in the '60s, '70s, '80s, '90s and '00s. Pretty cool..... ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:46:29 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: West Palm Photos! Wow! Be sure to check out the photos from West Palm if you haven't already! Gorgeous! Note also that they were all taken by different members of our group. Hey Pearl - I hope you bring your others to NO for us all to see! Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:09:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni mentions > > From: "Duncan MacDonald" > > I know Joni is mentioned in two songs > > > > 1) Hey Joni : Sonic Youth =20 > > 2) Stupid girl : Neil Young (Plus an unreleased Young song) > > > > Are there any others? > Jason Maloney wrote: > Nik Kershaw - Radio Musicola ("I got a question, so send it to the nearest > closet...why can't we do it like Joni does it?") Stan Rogers, from his first album "Turnaround" So Blue The liner notes for this song read as follows: On board the Ocena Limited near Montreal, March 1976. With apologies to the L.A. Express, Tom Scott and Joni Mitchell And the lyrics, in part: "Cranky people do their morning jerks and the coffee bar has only tea And somewhere up ahead beyond the day, there's a lady keeping warm for me She's a mighty hand inside a silken glove I've known it for a while, and I can't get enough I want to listen to Joni Mitchell on the radio And make love....." Not a bad sentiment, huh? Take care, Brian np: Turnaround ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:23:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Numinosity - --- "Helen M. Adcock" wrote: From my > vinyl copy, the front > cover has Joni (as a black man) saying "Don Juan's > Reckless Daughter", the > first inside sleeve has a "back" shot of Joni saying > "In My Dweems We Fwy", > the second inside sleeve has Joni (as a black man > again) saying "Mooslems, > Mooooslems, Heh, Heh, Heh", and a "normal" shot of > Joni saying "Baila Mi > Rumba". The back cover has a photo of Joni (when > she was a child) dressed > as an Indian, saying "How"! > I've got another question - just about everyone on the DJ cover is Joni, but what about the young boy that's with her in the one shot where she's dressed as a magician (sort of?) Any idea who he is? I guess he must be in his 30s by now! And a comment - Joni as a young girl looks a heck of a lot like one of my nieces. I wonder if she'll look like Joni when she grows up? Hmmm. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:18:19 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Our Lady Of Duality, an essay, Long The occasional criticism that Joni Mitchell's voice has been decimated pitifully misses the point. Does anyone complain about the "poor" fuel economy of a Ferrari? Does anyone complain that too much "cold" concrete was used to make the Empire State Building? No, these arguments overlook the magnificence of the object when examined on its own terms. And so it is with the argument that Joni's voice has deteriorated. Those who make this argument lost touch with her muse before she approached the brilliance of albums like HOSL. They perceive a "sudden" change in her voice because they didn't 'get it' then. And they don't 'get it' now. They don't 'get' that in the 1960s she couldn't sing jazz. They don't 'get' that back then, she couldn't possibly have sung the standards like she's doing on this tour. If Joni's talent in 1967 was a half glass of milk, they see the "folkie glass" as now nearly empty but they don't 'get' that the "jazz glass" is absolutely brimming! Apparently they see a faded folkie propped up in front of an orchestra. To look back upon her 60s voice and complain that she lost it, is to be stuck in the "folkie misconception". They want Joni to come out with a 6 string and paint "Chelsea Morning" for them again. They remain permanently fixed on the image of the empty canvas. The texture of the blank. The nil void. The clear soprano. The old singles. I contend that they never really knew Joni, at all. They misunderstood her first album, "Song To A Seagull". Seeing only the superficial they saw the first waif of modern rock. They didn't see the rich canvas that David Crosby saw. They didn't appreciate the wonderfully inventive and complex finger picking in alternate tunings and remarkable, non-standard chords. They missed the sharply observed character sketch that is "Nathan La Franeer". They comprehended on their own level- folkie-literal-realism. Ultimately, of course they completely missed the dizzying metaphorical complexity of "Cactus Tree". How could they possibly make the transition to understanding that "Amelia" is an art song about loss and courage? Or that "Paprika Plains" is a spacey long-form adventure? Or "Sex Kills" is a bitter social commentary? Joni has always been about complexity. Look at the relationship in "The Last Time I Saw Richard". The duality of "Both Sides Now". Her best stories have always been about rich color, exquisite multiplicity. Even in her 6 string days, she was never bound by the limitations of the 6 string itself. Similarly the rock band "The Police" were informed by elements of calypso, but they were not reggae itself. And so it was with Joni. She was always developing, even when the public perceived her as a folkie, a fixed object in space. Luckily for us she is more like Alexander Calder, a dabbler. Had Calder limited himself to being a Painter, now and forever, he never would have developed his mobiles, let alone his singular stabiles. Joni, the Police, and Calder all began working in one medium but they were not limited to just that one medium. McLuhan said that the "medium is the message" but only to the great unwashed. The TV-obsessed eyes. The uneducated ear. In contrast, Joni's work was never about folk music. Folk music was her medium but not her message. Her work was about and continues to be about metaphor, exploration. To the cognizant, the truth is never on the surface. It is a campfire but it is not about flames. It's about being transported. About warmth. Comfort. Fellowship. And most importantly, resonance. - ----- "The opinions expressed may not necessarily represent the management of Audiophile's Corner. They might. Just not necessarily. - ----- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:41:29 -0500 From: "Michael Bird" Subject: Prince mentions Joni in a lyric Duncan, The only one that immediately comes to mind besides "Hey Joni" is a song by The Artist Formerly Known as Prince called "The Ballad of Dorothy Parker" from his 1987 classic SIGN "O" THE TIMES. I don't have the CD handy, but the lyrics (a presumably fictional report of a conversation between Prince and a saucy waitress named Dorothy Parker), go something like this: "Mind if I turn on the radio? Oh, Ah!" Her favorite song, she said. And it was Joni singing, "Help me, I think I'm falling in love with you." Brrrrring! The phone rang and she said, "whoever's calling can't be as cute as you." Right then and there I knew I was through. (Dorothy Parker was cool.) That's a highly recommended album, if you aren't familiar with it . . . As probably everyone knows, Prince (er ... the Artist who is not THE Artist) has repeatedly sung Joni's praises, calling her his favorite songwriter. I wonder how Joni feels about that . . . hopefully, flattered. And I wonder what it would be like if Prince did a Joni cover . . . all these years, these many albums, and he's never done a Joni cover I'm aware of . . . I guess he has his own towering genius to share with the world . . . what song would I like to hear Prince do a cover of? He could turn on the low smoky funk with "Turbulent Indigo" . . . let the freak rip on "In France They Kiss On Main Street" . . . do a housequake on "Dreamland" . . . any other suggestions? Nickel Chief ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:10:20 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Concert photos Joniphiles - I am looking for concert photos from Joni's current tour to publish on the JMDL site. If any of you photographers out there have any outtakes that have not been published elsewhere - I'd be happy to feature them in the JMDL Performances section. Contact me privately. Thanks, Les NP: Bela Fleck "Three Bridges Home" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:31:03 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: concert venues This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------62B13BF469E51F020505D372 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It sounds like all these concerts have been outdoors so far. Chicago's is indoors. Anyone else indoors? 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B. - --- http://www.bryanthomas.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:36:23 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: JM on tape This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------49DA3F204D47F2C85A6F419F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Dear Howard: > Eagle Rock out of the UK are currently putting together a Joni documentary > > I got this info today when trying to find out about the Joni profile I want to do. I'll try to find out more. Howard M - --------------49DA3F204D47F2C85A6F419F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Howard Motyl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="howard_scptv.vcf" begin:vcard n:Motyl;Howard tel;fax:312-421-7714 tel;work:312-421-7711 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SCPtv Worldwide adr:;;400 N. May St., Suite 201;Chicago;Illinois;60622;USA version:2.1 email;internet:howard_scptv@interaccess.com title:Director, Creative Development note:"Any time you have the opportunity to accomplish something for those coming behind you and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;3 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------49DA3F204D47F2C85A6F419F-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:33:15 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Urge for Going Controversy Pat H. wrote: > LoL!!! folks, apparently this confusion started with my post >about which of Joni's songs I could perform and some songs, >as someone said, being 'manly'... I thought I was pretty clear that the verses I was quoting were as *I* would sing them! if >not I apologize to all of you for the confusion... kakki, don't >waste your time... I'm sure no one is gonna find *Joni* >singing about a summer colored girl. that was just li'l ol' me! No need to apologize, Pat! There's so many versions of it out there (Tom Rush, George Hamilton, IV, etc.) it's fun to compare them. I have now listened to the Alternate Blue UFG and the "Hits" UFG a few times and I'm pretty certain they are two different recordings. The Alternate Blue one seems slower, more pensive and it sounds like she is using a different guitar than the one on "Hits". It's neat that there is possibly at least two different "official" recordings of it. Kakki, love that recording trivia ;-) NP: River from Alternate Blue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:12:46 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Re: Florida Joni Photos I've had a couple of requests as to how to see the concert photos. Go to JoniMitchell.com and scroll all the way down to the Index, which is near the bottom. Go to TOUR. There you will find photos and reviews of the current and recent Joni concerts. Enjoy! Pearl > > I'd love to check out fresh Florida photo of Joni. > > How do I do that? > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:29:01 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni in FL Jennifer Dixon (on JM.com) wrote: > And once, the song right before, >"Trouble Man," she walked off the stage before the song was even finished. I guess Jennifer didn't get the "empty spotlight"?!? I'm really surprised at all these people who went to the shows expecting oldies. While I realize that everyone is not as siqoumb-tuned as *we* are :) it seems like all the ads I saw/heard around here said "performing material from her new CD BSN". Oh well. Can't please everybody. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:34:42 -0700 From: Emmy M Burns Subject: Re: Joni Mentions > I know Joni is mentioned in two songs> I believe Joni is also mentioned in Alanis Morissette's hidden track off of "Jagged Little Pill." Goes something like, "...I played your Joni..." In regards to mentions in book's, Wally Lamb refers to her several times in his novel, "She's Come Undone," which is exactly what happened to me the first (and second, on May 13th) time I saw Ms. Mitchell perform live. The book comes highly recommended from me. If this news is outdated, forgive me. Jim, loved your commentary and Analysis in "Our Lady of Duality." Well said! Emmy NP (I like this concept): River ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #198 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?