From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #196 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, May 18 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 196 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Napster and Tape Trees 33% JC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] CDs that benefit JMDL ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Urge For Going Back in Time ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Re: tape trees and Napster ["Ken (slarty)" ] Re: tape trees and Napster ["Ken (slarty)" ] Re: tape trees and Napster ["Ken (slarty)" ] Joni Mitchell postage stamp ["Ken (slarty)" ] Conversation Cover [M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk (Mike QUINN\(CMS\))] Re: tape trees and Napster ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: tape trees and Napster [catman ] Re: Napster and Tape Trees 33% JC ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: postage stamp FOR SURE! [peves@marlboro.edu] Re: www.audiophileimports.com is selling Shadows & Light on DVD [Brian Gr] 22nd May JMDL Pre Concert get together [Bounced Message ] Breathtaking ignorance [peves@marlboro.edu] Re: Urge for Loyalty ["Paul Castle" ] Lucy Kaplansky (Joni Mention) [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Shadows and Light CD - Import vs Domestic [Don Sloan ] Re: Napster and Tape Trees 33% JC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Time magazine? [Steve Dulson ] Joni in Radio & Records [Janene Otten ] Re: Conversation Cover ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Re: Breathtaking ignorance [Treehuggergirl25@aol.com] Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm [Don Rowe ] H.elp Me, I think . . . [Bounced Message ] Joni mention in Q Magazine ["Jamie Zubairi" ] RE: Urge for Going Controversy [Catherine McKay ] RE: Napster and Tape Trees 33% JC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: report from a viola player [Don Rowe ] Re: www.audiophileimports.com is selling Shadows & Light on DVD [Jason Ma] Re: BSN Tour Program ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] The Last Time I Saw Joni ["Paul Pennington" ] Pretty men [Howard Motyl ] Re: report from a viola player [Phyliss Ward ] Joni's Concert in Florida [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Napster and Tape Trees 33% JC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni's Concert In Florida ["James L. Leonard" ] Joni mentions [Bounced Message ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 05:37:43 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Napster and Tape Trees 33% JC Hi Kate, Tonight I read about artists' low esteem for Napster at http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2000/03/24/napster_artists/ I agree that using Napster to steal copywritten music is an affront to humanity. But Kate, are you saying that for the JMDL community to distibute Joni's radio interviews (which were intended to be distributed freely) by tape is okay but to distribute them by Napster is verboten? I ask this in the spirit of discussion, okay? What do you object to specifically? And now for something completely different- Nearby, at http://www.salon.com/ent/music/review/2000/03/23/smith_mitchell/index.html I found that a reviewer named Alynda Wheat holds that George Lucas is a racist. Poking around further on the salon site, I found a scathing review of BSN by Seth Mnookin . To wit: On "Both Sides Now," Mitchell's range is not so much truncated as it is decimated. At times, you can hear her gasping for breath. And while there is ample precedent for an aging singer's refashioning her voice to powerful effect (Billie Holiday is the one Mitchell's publicist is pushing), Mitchell's scratchy roughness just sounds like wasted talent. The arrangements don't help, either. The London Symphony Orchestra's florid string sections and stray piccolos in "You're My Thrill" and "Stormy Weather" are schlocky. And Mitchell, an artist who once used jazz musicians like Jaco Pastorius to such great effect on her pop albums, squanders guests like Wayne Shorter on "Don't Worry 'Bout Me" and Herbie Hancock on "Sometimes I'm Happy." I'm not saying that BSN always works. It doesn't for me. But I definitely don't think her voice on BSN is "decimated"!! All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 05:55:02 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm Bob, If I remember my Star Trek correctly, we wouldn't be ABLE to tell her anything. To do so would tear the fabric of cause and effect. Or something. Lamadoo > KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > > << If I could have a Joni wish, I would wish to be > transported back to those early days seeing her just starting out along with > Pat Henry and a few lucky others here. - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Can you imagine? What if we did and were back in those little clubs watching > her get started? What would we tell her? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 06:35:01 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: CDs that benefit JMDL Hello JMDLers, Help JMDL & buy CDs at the same time! http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-159240 http://cdu2.cduniverse.com/asp/cdu_main.asp?frm=lk_jmdl Each of these e-stores will refund 5% of sales made from these links to offset the cost of operating the Joni Mitchell Discussion List. Please consider using them as a way to help Les with the cost of operating JMDL. In fact, if you bookmark these URLs, it will all happen automatically. As the song says, "More fulfilling -and less frustrating." All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu in Highland Heights, Kentucky, a suburb of Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:47:00 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Urge For Going Back in Time <> Oh, David, you are SO harsh! ;~) I would say "write it, to get it out of your system, just give it to somebody else to record!" Bob NP: The Derailers, "California Angel" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:56:44 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: tape trees and Napster This is no different than what can go on now. People join the JMDL get the tape trees and then sell copies of them. The more that they are widely distributed the less that this happens. Mark Domyancich wrote: > I agree they shouldn't be apart of Napster. If someone gets their > hands on it and decides to make a boot of it then we would feel > terrible. Blanks and postage or trading all the way!!! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:12:33 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: tape trees and Napster Maybe I'm tone deaf but I can't tell the dif between a CD and an mp3 recorded at a high bitrate (say 160). As for Napster shutting down maybe, but remember they are basically just a search engine like yahoo. They keep NO mp3 files on their site. The people breaking the law are the people actually trading the files though I won't deny they couldn't easily do it without napster just as people couldn't commit murders quite so easily if there were no gun manufacturers. As for speed I agree. If it took me 90 min. to download a file I would say forget it. This is just an alternative for people with fast connections though in the future cable and DSN lines will replace 56k the way 56k has replaced 2400bpm. guitarzan@saber.net wrote: > > They keep their quality, which in the case of MP3's is pretty poor > to start with. > I am certain Napster will be shut down soon, although they say > that if forced to, they will start paying licence fees. I don't know > how that will work, or if they can survive the millions they will > be asked to pay in damages. > Downloading a 90 minute selection seems more hassle than > sending it in the mail, plus if you download, you will have to > either listen to it on your computer or have a way to get it off > your computer. > The two methods (analog dupe/electronic download) can both > coexist though, if people feel it (e.d.) serves a purpose. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:22:01 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: tape trees and Napster Totally agree, nothing more frustrating, not to mention those people who downloaded those half finnished songs and keep them on their hard drive for you to down load. Keep in mind though this would be us trading amonst ourselves and I'm not gouing to cut off anyone down loading a song knowing that it's one of our jmdl gang. Also we can leave messages for each other on the list such as "I'll be on Napster tonight from 10 est. to 1am". catman wrote: > I don't think this will work well. It would work better for those in > countries where on line time is not paid for. I use napster occasionally. > One has to rely on the fact the the pc you are getting the files from satys > on line. Nothing for frustrating than downloading half a song and the person > at the other end goes off line! > just my thoughts. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:36:08 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Joni Mitchell postage stamp How about a Joni Mitchell Poastage Stamp. Take a look! http://www.canadapost.ca/CPC2/phil/stamp/picpost_art.html You will need an actual photograph as opposed to a jpeg though. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:42:47 +0100 From: M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk (Mike QUINN\(CMS\)) Subject: Conversation Cover I can't find the original post but someone asked about covers of 'Conversation'. I know that David Mcalmont recorded a version but I've not heard it yet. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 06:45:18 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: tape trees and Napster > > Also we can leave messages for each other on the list such as > "I'll be on Napster tonight from 10 est. to 1am". The trouble with this is that there are more than 100 Napster servers. So when you connect, you get hooked up to one of those servers and you can't control which one. And you only see the files of people connected to the same server as you. Even if Napster disappears (and I don't think it will; I think the ownership will change), there are already a dozen other programs that do the same thing. It might be better to use something like Gnutella where you can find specific servers. I'll present some other options to the list over the weekend. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:48:37 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: tape trees and Napster Oh dear, I didn't realize that. Thanks for the info. I'll be looking forward to your post. "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > The trouble with this is that there are more than 100 Napster servers. It > might be better to use something like Gnutella where you can find specific > servers. > > I'll present some other options to the list over the weekend. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:57:04 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: tape trees and Napster "Ken (slarty)" wrote: > > Totally agree, nothing more frustrating, not to mention those people > who downloaded those half finnished songs and keep them on their > hard drive for you to down load. Keep in mind though this > would be us trading amonst ourselves and I'm not gouing to cut off > anyone down loading a song knowing that it's one of our jmdl gang. > Also we can leave messages for each other on the list such as > "I'll be on Napster tonight from 10 est. to 1am". > Semms okay till you consider that those not in the US PAY for the phone call. So if I am online three hours I have to pay about $4. This soon mounts up! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 06:56:20 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Napster and Tape Trees 33% JC Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Hi Kate, Tonight I read about artists' low esteem for Napster at > http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2000/03/24/napster_artists/ > I agree that using Napster to steal copywritten music is an affront to > humanity. > > But Kate, are you saying that for the JMDL community to distibute Joni's > radio interviews (which were intended to be distributed freely) by tape is > okay but to distribute them by Napster is verboten? I ask this in the > spirit of discussion, okay? What do you object to specifically? I think you have to take the Salon article with a grain of salt. For every artist who disagrees with it, there's one who thinks it's great. Ultimately, it's a great promotional tool. Fan sharing is essential to developing a loyal following IMO. There would be fewer people stealing if they had a viable option that gave them what they want. The music industry went to sleep and then thought they could sue everyone to halt progress. They're wrong and now they're trying to catch up. Napster is just a method of passing stuff around. It is no better or worse than what's already being done here. As far as the radio interviews go, why are they intended to be distributed freely? Isn't the All Things Considered interview the copyrighted material of NPR? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:04:50 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: tape trees and Napster Then in your case {and others of the old world ;^) } tape trees is the way to go. Remember this is simply an alternative. catman wrote: > Semms okay till you consider that those not in the US PAY for the phone > call. So if I am online three hours I have to pay about $4. This soon > mounts up! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:20:06 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: postage stamp FOR SURE! Ken, Ken, That's a wonderful idea!! I make stamps - collage. I'll make you a Joni stamp since you had such a grand idea. If you want to send me your snail mail off-line. I'll send you one. Long live the Queen !!! Peg/VT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:25:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: www.audiophileimports.com is selling Shadows & Light on DVD - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > The video "Shadows And Light" includes the most amazing version of "Amelia"! > Metheny takes off in careful, ethereal solo that is beyond description by > human beings. It's the most amazing thing...... I'm speechless. Well, I had the Urge for Ordering yesterday, so I did (order the DVD) In my email this morning was a note from them that this was a Region Two DVD and to be sure that my DVD player (which happens to be inside my daughter's computer away at college) could play it. I understand that in set-top DVD players, the only DVDs that will play are those with the same region code (non-zero) as the player. But what about computer DVD drives? Does anyone here know?? Thanks, Brian np: the sound of my own blood pressure rising here at work :-( ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:29:11 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: 22nd May JMDL Pre Concert get together From: "Preet Dhanoa" Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 03:16:17 PDT I am going to be in NYC from Saturday night, in anticipation for Monday's MSG concert. Apart from meeting many of you at the pre-concert get together, I wondered if anybody was interested in exploring the City expression Sunday/Monday. I was thinking of going to see the current exhibition at El Museo Del Barrio (Frida Kahlo); 'Picturing the Modern Amazon' at the New Museum of Contemporary Art (Louise Bourgeois) ; Shaziah Sikande at Whitney Museum of American Art at Philip Morris; and then biggin it up inna mi batty rida at a place like the Brooklyn Anchorage Cadman Plaza W. Email me privately off-list. Un Abrazo de Madrid Preet mailto:preetd@bigfoot.com NP: Jeff Buckley Live a Sin-E NT: We need not worry so much about what man descends from-it's what he descends to that shames the human race - Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:55:05 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Breathtaking ignorance Respnding to Mnookin stupid review of BSN. I hate to glorify the guy by reacting but I can't help myself. I need counterpoint. To don't hear any "gasping". Get real! First of all, idiot, if Joni Mitchell WERE "gasping for breath", you'd best do better than put her down for it!! Second, her range is neither truncated nor decimated, shithead - it's different. I happen to find her voice is not so much scratchy & rough but flavored ( a product of a smoke & alcohol marinade). to a VERY "POWERFUL EFFECT" You're listening to too much Britney Spears!! Peg Disgusted ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:55:31 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Urge for Loyalty Peg peves@marlboro.edu wrote: > I think it's so lovely how loyal we are to 'Our Lady' as, is it Paul? - > refers to her. The Philadephia DJ, Gene Shay, says that for a short while they used to bill her as "The Enchanted Lady". His post has been on here a couple of times just recently so if you or other newcomers would like to see it, contact me off-list. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:04:37 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Lucy Kaplansky (Joni Mention) Hi Gang! A couple of weeks ago the name Lucy Kaplansky was included in a post I sent to the list of lesser knowns KINK has been playing. Yesterday, during my daily insertion of "Joni Mitchell" in my favorite newswire search engine, an article on Lucy Kaplansky popped up. Here's the Joni portion of the aticle: Like many folk musicians, Kaplansky learned to play guitar and piano pretty much on her own. At 11, she started imitating pop songs, quickly developing an attraction to the music of Jim Croce. ``I played whatever was on the radio. But when I was 15, my older brother turned me on to Joni Mitchell´s `Blue´ album,´´ she said, referring to the 1971 work that set a new standard in folk music. ``I wanted to play like (Mitchell), so I started learning her tunings because it was more than just playing chords.´´ Mitchell's influence drew Kaplansky away from mainstream music. She started gravitating toward Jackson Browne, Joan Baez, Gram Parsons, Emmylou Harris and the Roches. When she was barely out of high school, Kaplansky started playing in folk bars in Chicago. In the late 1970s, she moved to New York, where she immersed herself in a flourishing folk scene that was attracting Vega, John Gorka, Bill Morrissey and Cliff Eberhardt. ``I´d been singing for two or three years in New York, doing well - and I even got a great review in the (New York) Times,´´ she said. ``But I decided I didn´t want to do it anymore. I thought it wasn´t what I wanted.´´ Kaplansky went to college and graduate school and became a licensed clinical psychologist. During the '80s and '90s, she juggled full-time clinical work with part-time singing, harmonizing with Shawn Colvin on her Grammy-winning album ``Steady On´´ and with Griffith on ``Lone Star State of Mind´´ and ``Little Love Affairs.´´ But in January 1997, Kaplansky closed her practice to focus solely on her music. The following year, she collaborated on the critically acclaimed album ``Cry Cry Cry´´ with Dar Williams and Richard Shindell. Read the article in entirety at: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20000517/en/celeb_lucy_kaplansky_ Looking forward to reading WPB reviews tonight. Geez, all these wonderfully written posts have been great. Thank you all so much for sharing! ;-) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:05:41 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: Shadows and Light CD - Import vs Domestic I know this has been discussed before but I need a quick refresher! What's the difference between these two issues of the CD? Thanks.... Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:08:23 -0400 From: peves@marlboro.edu Subject: Re: sting /Paul Simon I agree with a lot of what you say about Sting. He IS a stand out. I think PAUL SIMON is having a pretty fullfilling career, And deserves it. His songwriting, his singing, his production. Longevity. Rock star? No. But he's been working since about 1965. Mark Knopfler. How 'bout him. Pure art. Steadfast. Peg/VT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:09:20 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Conversation Cover I have it, in case its not appeared on the covers cd yet... "Mike QUINN(CMS)" wrote: > I can't find the original post but someone asked about covers of > 'Conversation'. I know that David Mcalmont recorded a version but I've not > heard it yet. > > Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:13:02 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Napster and Tape Trees 33% JC Brenda, Yeah, I guess it is! I was thinking of an interview that made my point of course! Like the Words & Music ones that the record companies make to promote the record but even those have copywriters on 'em........ > As far as the radio interviews go, why are they intended to be distributed > freely? Isn't the All Things Considered interview the copyrighted material of > NPR? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:02:18 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Lucy Kaplansky (Joni Mention) Lucy Kaplansky would make an excellent spouse. When I'm frustrated with life, the psychologist in her would recognize it yet the artist in her would be there to sing me a song. Dunno what I could offer in return- make a tape for her? I don't think so! All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:23:05 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Time magazine? Does anyone know the date of the recent Time magazine that had the ad and review of BSN? Thanks! ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:47:40 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: Joni in Radio & Records Carol Archer, of Radio & Records NAC/Smooth Jazz section and Frank Cody, CEO of Broadcast Architecture write about the snubbing of such monumental recordings such as BSN & Sting's Brand New Day by NAC/Smooth Jazz radio. I you can get a hold of it, it's on page 95 of this week's Radio & Records industry magazine. I tried to find it on-line but to no avail. I wish I had the time to type it out. Unfortunately, I don't so if any of you want to research this & post it, it's very well worth the read. Janene np: Court & Spark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:44:42 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Re: Conversation Cover <> No, it has been in absentia thus far, Brenda. I'm currently gathering covers for both Volume 4 (The Power of Cheese) and Volume 5, and both are shaping up to be great! I would love this one to throw in the pile. And by being a contributor, you'll get a free copy of the disc when it's done - what could be cooler! You can put it on tape, or send me the disc - I'll return it, of course! And I may even have a leetle Joni surprise to send along with it! Thanks for stepping up to the plate with this one, Brenda - the first "Conversation" in the collection... Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 And I'm also excited that Jim, THE MAN HIMSELF, asked lil' ol' me to be the reporter for the Atlanta show! Quite an honor, especially if I can score a Siquomb interview to go along with my report! ;~) Bob NP: Sheryl Crow, "On The Outside" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:14:45 EDT From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com Subject: Re: Breathtaking ignorance hell, even if her voice WAS scratchy and rough, i'd still love her. Joni could sing through a paper towel tube and she'd still be incredible. - -angela ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:16:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm > > KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > > > > << If I could have a Joni wish, I would wish to > be > > transported back to those early days seeing her > just starting out - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Bob, > If I remember my Star Trek correctly, we wouldn't be > ABLE to tell her > anything. To do so would tear the fabric of cause > and effect. Or > something. Actually, if this were a Star Trek episode, we could tell Joni whatever we liked. And if one of us were Capt. Kirk, we could even fall passionately in love with and seduce her. But it would fall to some other unlucky list member to stop our would-be Capt. Kirk from convincing Joni to turn down the Mingus project in order to preserve her popularity -- and by extension, the space-time continuum. Should we be unable to do so -- once we jumped back through the Guardian of Time to the present day, we'd find ourselves in a world where Nancy Sinatra became the voice of her generation ... The Beatles were an unknown cult band with wide critical acclaim but no real sales figures ... and Dame Judy Dench at the top of the teen charts with her hit single, "I Doth Protest Too Highly." To quote the famous Captain of the USS Enterprise: "Let's get the hell out of here." Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:28:53 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: H.elp Me, I think . . . Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:24:20 -0500 From: Howard Motyl I need help. As some of you may know, I am the Creative Development Director at a video production house here in Chicago. Currently, we produce two series for Home and Garden TV and are in the middle of a special for Food Network. A little background . . . I am courting Bravo--especially the producer of the Profiles series. We are compiling a list of people we would like to profile and when one of my bosses suggested Ringo Starr becuz he was coming through on a tour, I thought, well, hell, the goddess is coming through on a tour--and it is so out of character for how most people remember her. Who knows, they may actually go for it. (They are currently running one on Carly Simon.) So, here is the help I need. Before I pitch anything to Bravo, I need to talk to JM's Management to see if it could be at all possible to shoot some of the show, especially the rehearsals, and, possibly--my heart pounds and my palms sweat at the thought of it--interview JM while she's here. The interview is less important becuz that can be done at anytime but recording the show/s and rehearsal/s are key. Okay, so here is (finally) the help that I need: anyone have contacts to the mgmt team that I can talk to? Obviously, give me the numbers privately. I know I can go through the record company and all that but if I can get a shortcut from my siblings on the list, well, I'll opt for that. If you don't want to give me the numbers, let me know that, too. So I can go off on my own to get to them. But I will appreciate beyond belief the help. Time is of the essence. (We should have been working on this months ago.) Thanks. So much. Howard M Other people on the list: Sheryl Crow, John Cusack, Paul McCartney, Scott Turow--just to give you an idea. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:36:09 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Joni mention in Q Magazine There are 2 Joni Mentions in Q magazine this month (with Janis -Joplin, not Ian - on the cover). There is a small interview with Ute Lemper asking what her musical influences were. She mentions that the last Joni Mitchell album is wonderful. Also a bit further along there is a pic of Simon Le Bon from Duran Duran. The interviewer asks who would he like to be if he could be any other musician. He says Joni Mitchell. Not only for (and I am paraphrasing here) having an amazing voice, a brilliant piano player, a great guitarist and songwriter but I'd also have tits! Not that I spend my days scanning each and every music magazine for Jonimentions but it seems like it! Much Joni The Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Urge for Going Controversy - --- "Bob Muller (Perception)" wrote: > < man's > song". I'm not quite sure what that means >> > > It means there's a line in the song that goes "I had > a girl in summertime, > with summer-colored skin".... But Joni sings, "I had a man in summertime, he had summer-coloured skin". Nothing wrong with that. If it sounds more like something a man might sing about a woman, Joni often refers to "pretty" men too (pretty men to tell you all those pretty lies) - even though "pretty" is an adjective usually used about women - men don't seem to like being thought of as "pretty". > Likewise, Joni wrote "Winter Lady" which she says > was written for a man to > sing to a woman, but she liked it so much she sang > it herself, at least in > her live performances... I'm not familiar with this one. > And in regards to the 'ply the fire with kindling' > controversy, I notice in > Travis' version they sing "pile the fire with > kindling", which makes a WHOLE > lot more sense to me than 'ply' or 'apply'! I thought it was "ply" - just as you can "ply" someone with food or drink, to me it's not unreasonable to "ply" a fire with kindling. One of the meanings of "ply" in my OCD is "supply (person, etc.) persistently with (food, etc.) - I see it as another one of Joni's inventive uses of English (although masking tape isn't black) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:02:11 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: RE: Urge for Going Controversy < summer-coloured skin". Nothing wrong with that. >> > Y'all are right about that one...guess I've heard more covers of UFG than I have Joni's version, since I don't have Hits and she never released it on album prior to that. Mea Culpa! And what a cool thread this has been too, btw... <<> Likewise, Joni wrote "Winter Lady" which she says > > was written for a man to > > sing to a woman, but she liked it so much she sang > > it herself, at least in > > her live performances... > > I'm not familiar with this one.>> > Well now, that's the advantage of having the Tape Tree music...contact Jim Lamadabbadoo for details! ;~) Bob NP: w.g. snuffy walden, "nancy and elliott take a train" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:06:37 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Lucy Kaplansky (Joni Mention) Jim L'Hommedieu jlamadoo@one.net wrote: > Lucy Kaplansky would make an excellent spouse. >When I'm frustrated with life, the psychologist in her >would recognize it yet the artist in her would be there >to sing me a song. The other day, Lucy-listers were sending in 'two words' that best described her, after I had called her 'fiercely attractive'. Some wag (Timothy) wrote 'Already Married!' PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:28:03 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Napster and Tape Trees 33% JC Jim wrote: "Hi Kate, Tonight I read about artists' low esteem for Napster at http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2000/03/24/napster_artists/ I agree that using Napster to steal copywritten music is an affront to humanity. But Kate, are you saying that for the JMDL community to distibute Joni's radio interviews (which were intended to be distributed freely) by tape is okay but to distribute them by Napster is verboten? I ask this in the spirit of discussion, okay? What do you object to specifically?" Jim, I am not objecting to anything by posting the article. My intent was to share information that I found interesting. I was especially interested in the viewpoint of Jonatha Brooke who has no affection for the big labels and is now indie herself. I would be very interested in hearing what other artists in support of napster are saying. Personally, I feel ambivalent about the napster issue as of today. Its a complicated issue. As an indie artist myself, I am thrilled to have the playing field leveled. But I believe in supporting artists for their work so that they can contine to create. Because this napster issue is such a hot button among some artists, I do think it would be foolish to use napster for anything JMDL without knowing how Joni feels about napster. Thanks, Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter PO Box 31001 Santa Barbara, CA 93130-1001 email kate@katebennett.com website www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:33:51 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: RE: Napster and Tape Trees 33% JC <> I would imagine what with Joni being a night owl, and on the road and playing concerts and all, she's gotta take a little napster in the afternoon to recharge her batteries! :~) Heck, I could use a good napster myself! Sorry, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:53:20 +0100 From: "gerry mcnee" Subject: conversation covers ><it >> mentioned.>> >> > The only one I know of is Catgirl's on the Jonifest '99 Boxset, and >she nails it! :~) I have a version by Mcalmont somewhere, i could dig it out if you need it for your covers project. Mcalmont is a gay black singer for those who haven't heard of him. He did an album with Bernard Butler that was quite good but since then he's kind of lost direction. His version of conversation is not bad as covers go. I love the concert reports, more please. We in the U.K can only dream of Joni live in concert, who knows maybe 1 day. Gerry (out of lurkdom) NP Morrissey-Bona Drag ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:02:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: report from a viola player - --- CarltonCT@aol.com wrote: > A new friend that I have just started working with > played viola with the > orchestra that backed Joni > > The violist is from Poland He made particular > mention of Larry Klein who he seemed to think was > the king drone and who was > particularly protective of Joni -- everything that > merited Joni's attention > was filtered through him first. You know, after Marcel's kind post about my playing, I was actually starting to think it might be safe to go back in the waters of the jmdl. What in the hell was I thinking??? No sooner do I start bringing you list folks around, when one of you up and trots out a Polish viola player to slag me -- no less. Let me say this again, so it's sure to sink in ... "a Polish viola player." You know, viola players are a notoriously bitter lot - --and who wouldn't be -- going through life having perfected an oversized and non-descript violin to play. Nobody chooses this, trust me ... it is thrust upon them by a combination of hand size and Lutheranism. Show me a concert violist, and I'll show you someone who wishes they played fretless bass guitar. A "drone" indeed ... Larry Klein ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:03:27 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: www.audiophileimports.com is selling Shadows & Light on DVD Brian Gross wrote: > Well, I had the Urge for Ordering yesterday, so I did (order the DVD) > In my email this morning was a note from them that this was a Region Two DVD > and to be sure that my DVD player (which happens to be inside my daughter's > computer away at college) could play it. I haven't been following the thread closely enough to know the details of the original post, but now I wish I had! So, this S&L DVD is a European disc??!! I'm surprised that it's not actually a Region 0 title, like virtually all music DVDs are. Region encoding is normally saved for full-length feature films. A Region 0 disc can be played on any machine, I think. I certainly haven't ever seen S&L on DVD in the UK. Only PWWAM is currently available. Anyway, if anyone could remind me of the price and other relevant details, I'd be very grateful :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:23:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: BSN Tour Program We didn't get any at the West palm Beach concert 8-( Jerry On Tue, 16 May 2000, Sue Cameron wrote: > To those who have already attended the concerts: > Much has been written about the programs for the show. My > question is did you have to purchase the programs or was there > someone handing them out? I would love to pick up some for > our UK listers who I will be visiting in August. > > Thanks for the information! > > Sue Cameron > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:41:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #261 I'm two out of three. And, no, I'm not a parent! Jerry On Wed, 17 May 2000, Kate Bennett wrote: > Peg askis,"For instance, how many were at Woodstock '69? How many are > parents, how many are musicians" > > I am all three! > > Kate Bennett > Singer/Songwriter > email kate@katebennett.com > website www.katebennett.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:27:25 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: tape trees and Napster I suppose you're right about that Ken, but I don't remember hearing anything about the tape trees being source material for bootleggers. I do remember Les saying something about one of our CD trees had been bootlegged. NP-thunder, Furry Sings The Blues At 8:56 AM -0400 5/18/00, Ken (slarty) wrote: >This is no different than what can go on now. People join the JMDL get >the >tape trees and then sell copies of them. The more that they are widely >distributed >the less that this happens. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net tape trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:36:04 -0400 From: "Paul Pennington" Subject: The Last Time I Saw Joni Hello Everyone; This is my first post to the list after lurking since the Tribute show. I'm already floating in anticipation of seeing Joni tomorrow night at Chastain Park in Atlanta. The last time I saw her perform live was 32 years ago! I saw her twice at the Bitter End in New York City in 1968. I remember at one of the shows I was sitting about 3 or 4 rows back in the center, probably about 10 feet from Joni. Just me and a few other folks! Maybe someone here knows what the seating capacity was back then -- I'd be surprised if it held 100. Joni sounded EXACTLY like she did (does) on her first album. No fancy studio production work here. I remember being amazed at her guitar playing skills. I'm also looking forward to meeting some list folks at the get-together tomorrow, if I survive the Atlanta traffic! Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:01:31 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Pretty men This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------BB38800D3D474AE7E7BBC5FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought the line "pretty men to tell you pretty lies" was a snide line, that Richard--being oh so defensive--spits out at the woman who saw him for the last time in Detroit in 68. He uses pretty in this line as a put down of all those other men that the woman has flitting around her telling her what they think she wants to here. While I don't doubt that JM would describe men as pretty, in this case, the way I see it, the speaker means anything but pretty. 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You expect us to believe the ramblings of a Russian on Prozac! ; - ) Phyliss Don Rowe (alias Larry Klein) wrote: > No sooner do I start bringing you list folks around, > when one of you up and trots out a Polish viola player > to slag me -- no less. Let me say this again, so it's > sure to sink in ... "a Polish viola player." > You know, viola players are a notoriously bitter lot > --and who wouldn't be -- going through life having > perfected an oversized and non-descript violin to > play. Nobody chooses this, trust me ... it is thrust > upon them by a combination of hand size and > Lutheranism. Show me a concert violist, and I'll show > you someone who wishes they played fretless bass > guitar. > > A "drone" indeed ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:48:33 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Joni's Concert in Florida Just got back from the east coast of Florida, and it was a *wonderful* experience seeing Joni in concert again. I'm not going to review the entire concert since the west coast JMDLer's did such a fine job. There were no surprises at this concert (except NO programs). She did the same set list as in the LA and SF concerts. Unfortunately we didn't have the pleasure of Herbie Hancock and Mark Isham, but I thought the orchestra did a fine job. I got to the Mars Music Amphitheater an hour and half ahead of time. Earlier that morning I had called the venue and spoke with someone in charge of the VIP boxes. He was real nice and offered me 2 passes to the VIP room. I heard some of the performers will often wait in the VIP lounge prior to the concert, and I thought there would be a chance of seeing Joni. No such luck! Fellow JMDLer David Mingus and I waited in this area for quite some time and no Joni! I finally left for the pavilion area to buy some T-shirts and a signed litho (This venue was nice enough to provide the mailing tubes with the lithos.) I had been checking Ticket Masters every so often, so it was no surprise for me that there was a poor turn out for the concert. Although the seats I purchased were on the 10th row left of stage, we were able to move closer to the center as the concert began. In fact there were plenty of empty seats in the rows in front of us. I'm not sure if sitting close to the stage was the best way to get the full effect of the orchestra, but I was thrilled to sit close enough to Joni to see her expressions. Unlike the two previous concerts which were in cooler cities and venues, this IS Florida in May. It as a clear night and the moon was one day short of being full. There was a nice warm breeze, but still this was not a place to get dressed up. I think only the main orchestra members were in tuxedos. Most of them just wore white shirts and many without ties. I saw some of the orchestra members wearing short sleeve shirts and some with their shirt tails untucked. I even saw Joni push up the sleeves on her long flowing turquoise dress a few times. I thought Joni seemed at ease for the most part of the concert. She looked radiant and I thought her voice was crisp and clear throughout the entire performance. I think she was enjoying herself and the audience seemed to be very appreciative. At one point someone in the audience shouted for her to play the guitar. Joni said "I've left all my instruments honey. I'm just a singer, a chirp with the band". Everyone laughed and then Joni noticed someone in the audience who brought a guitar. Joni said " Oh you have your guitar. I forget how to play it. So I bought a bra and burned my guitar." The audience went wild with laughter. She also got a few laughs when she talked about her gigs in Miami in the 60's and the problems she was having with her husband Chuck. She said " even his own Mother said on our wedding day (of him) the first waffle (he was the first born) should be used to warm up the pan and thrown out!" I really enjoyed the new songs. "Hejira" with the slight samba beat was my favorite, but "Ludwig's Tune" was equally fantastic. I thought "FTR" started off a bit sluggish, but it quickly gained my appreciation. I'm really looking forward to hearing that one again! "Be Cool" and "Trouble Man" were wonderful and I just can't wait to see what else she adds to the new album. You folks in Atlanta are in for a great treat! I only wish I had the time and money to attend *all* of the remaining concerts. I do want to add that it was a pleasure to finally meet fellow JMDLer Jerry Notaro and new lister "Boston Jim" Leonard. It was great to see Pearl again too! It was too bad that we didn't have any plans for a get together, but I'll get to see some of you in New Orleans. I'm exhausted and hungry! Glad to be back home. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:50:18 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm In a message dated 5/18/00 5:57:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << Bob, If I remember my Star Trek correctly, we wouldn't be ABLE to tell her anything. To do so would tear the fabric of cause and effect. Or something. Lamadoo >> And so it would be her that would fall in love with James Tiberius Kirk and then get hit by a car, instead of Dana Wynter? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:50:20 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Napster and Tape Trees 33% JC In a message dated 5/18/00 5:40:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << But Kate, are you saying that for the JMDL community to distibute Joni's radio interviews (which were intended to be distributed freely) by tape is okay but to distribute them by Napster is verboten? I ask this in the spirit of discussion, okay? What do you object to specifically? >> Where do you get the idea that radio interviews are "intended to be distributed freely"? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:59:31 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Joni's Concert In Florida Thanks for representing the FLA contingent with your comprehensive review, Jimmy. It was a wonderful show, and made me respect our JMDL writers in L.A. and S.F. all the more. There wasn't much about the show that hadn't already been described, very well, from the left coast. I drove 4 hours each way (from Tampa to WPB, and back), returning home last night at about 2:30 a.m. Then, it was very hard to fall asleep. I had to be up at the usual time (pretty darn early), so I'm presently on fumes. We really missed saying goodbye to you after the show, Jimmy. Addie and I both enjoyed meeting you. We began walking to the car just after "For The Roses," knowing we would hear "Trouble Man" on our way out. I hated to do that because of not staying to say so long to you, but it probably saved us a 1/2 hour or more in getting out of the parking lot, with that long drive ahead. There were a lot of empty seats, to be sure, but still a whole lot of cars! "Boston Jim" NP: The News With Brian Williams, MSNBC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:58:12 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni mentions From: "Duncan MacDonald" Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:08:01 +0100 Dear Fellow Fans I know Joni is mentioned in two songs 1) Hey Joni : Sonic Youth =20 2) Stupid girl : Neil Young (Plus an unreleased Young song) Are there any others? Next mentions of Joni in books. I recently when to a book talk by the = British Author Kate Atkinson about her latest book about student life in Dundee, Scotland (a very strange town); a = very unsuitable place for delicate students who listen to Joni in the = early seventies with plans to change the world, but too busy to actually = do it! The album on the turntable in the student flat is not named, but = being the sad fan I had to know. So in the spirit of "nomenclature" I = asked the author to name the LP and she said in a vague way "Oh the one = with geese on the cover!" Cool hey! Duncan M Sandy Denny "The Banks of the Nile" ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #196 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?