From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #195 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, May 18 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 195 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Intro To Audio Tape Trees, Very Long. ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] It's not the guitar, it's JONI! Concorde concert info ["Mark or Travis" ] writing, input and Aimee Mann [Bounced Message ] Re: Concord show [guitarzan@saber.net] Re: It's not the guitar, it's JONI! Concorde concert info ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni & Croz at Woodstock ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Joni & Croz at Woodstock ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni Numinosity ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Urge for Going Controversy [susan+rick ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:39:35 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Intro To Audio Tape Trees, Very Long. Welcome to the world of Audio Tape Trees. At present, I have more than a dozen cassettes available for FREE availablity to any JMDLer. How can anything be FREE in this capitalist world? It's run by "a labor of love" as my friend Ashara always says. You mail blank tapes with return postage and the volunteer JMDLer, in this case me, puts the recording on it. Your postage is used to return the package back to you. No catalog material is ever used. So what IS on the audio tape trees? Rarely circulated performances dating from Joni's coffee house days in 1967. Interviews with Joni. An audiophile treasure from the floor of the Hammerstein Ballroom when the TNT Tribute took place this year. And lots in between. How do you participate? Send an email to me at jlamadoo@one.net and I'll give you my address or the address of another JMDLer branch sponsor. [If you'd like to help make tapes for the new wave of JMDLers, write me.] To see a list of most of the audio Tape Tree material go to: http://216.247.66.89/trading/index.cfm and have a look around! If you would like to "give something back" to the Joni Mitchell Internet Community, consider helping with the operating expenses of www.jmdl.com and www.jonimitchell.com You simply make out a check and send it to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA The audio Tape Trees provide a great way to experience the wonder of Our Lady Of Duality. Lamadoo near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:43:17 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm On Wed, 17 May 2000 SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Forget about the covers, our next JMDL project should be a TIME MACHINE!! :-) > > Can you imagine? What if we did and were back in those little clubs watching > her get started? What would we tell her? Don't write "Dancin' Clown"! ;) - --David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:49:40 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: It's not the guitar, it's JONI! Concorde concert info I'm sitting here looking at a gorgeous photo of Joni from the Concord concert that Leslie Mixon was kind enough to give me and wondering how on earth I can write anything that will add to the wonderful reports that have already been posted. Leslie gave a fantastic account of the experience we shared. And how can anyone possibly top Scott Price's beautiful descriptions of the LA show? But this concert was such an incredible experience for me that I have to share a few of my impressions. First of all I have to thank Leslie & Steve Mixon. If it hadn't been for Leslie's invitation and offer to get me a ticket, I probably would not have made the trip and I would have missed one of the most amazing events of my life thus far. Leslie and Steve are more than gracious hosts and staying with them in Santa Cruz was at least half the fun. The more I get to know Leslie, the more I feel like I've known her all my life. A warm, funny, down to earth, intelligent & lovely person. A helluva singer, too. She's a gem. Others have already reported the main facts of the concert - set list, Joni's clothes, etc - so I'm not going to do a song by song description. Mostly I want to try & convey some of the impressions and feelings that flooded me during the show. First of all, Joni was radiant. She really seemed to glow as the lights hit her golden hair and the orangey-pink thing she was wearing. Our vantage point from the 7th row was just close enough to see every expression on her face but just far enough away that the lines we have seen appearing on that face in these last few years were completely invisible. Every once in awhile when she would tilt her head back or move in a certain way I could plainly see Joni as she was in the 70s - those fine cheek bones, the golden hair and those incredible eyes. It was as if the years somehow had melted away and the Lady of the Canyon was standing there before us. But what poured out of her was a music and a wisdom far beyond the years of that fresh young woman who first captured our hearts. It seemed as if some kind of force or energy was coming up through the stage and into Joni. It made her body sway, it moved her hands with beautiful expressiveness and it finally emerged from her throat and mouth in a flood of feeling. She was channeling energy & emotion from the very depths of her being and she took my breath away. She somehow became the music. It was one of the most amazing things I have ever seen. It was also obvious that she was loving every minute of it. At one point she said 'Isn't this nice, with the orchestra and everything?' Leslie has already reported that before singing 'Hejira' she spread her arms and joyfully declared 'I feel like I'm flying!' And indeed she was. Soaring. The moment after she had introduced 'You've Changed' and then sang those first two words was priceless. Somebody down in front laughed and Joni just had to giggle. It took her a second or two before she could re-focus. At some point somebody else yelled 'Happy Mother's Day, Joni!' She looked over her shoulder and said thank you. I wish I had thought of it! 'Comes Love' was the best I've heard her do it yet. She really nailed it. So many times during the concert she would bend a note a certain way or punch something so that it went straight to my gut. She really has developed into a great interpreter. I don't agree with reviewers that have said she is copying Billie Holiday but I have to say that seeing her perform last Saturday night must have been something like the experience of seeing Lady. Unfortunately, that is an experience I can only imagine from watching the very few snippets there are of Billie on film. But Joni was digging that deep and singing that well. It tickles me no end that one of my idols is an admirer of another one of my idols! I am so blown away by some of the other reactions to 'A Case of You'. They are so similar to what I felt. Early on in my exploration of Joni's music I got 'Miles of Aisles' and yearned to see this woman perform live. One of my favorite songs from that record is 'A Case of You'. When the orchestra started playing that echo of the dulcimer line in the intro it hit me that I was finally going to see & hear Joni actually perform this song live. I started to choke up and soon the tears were streaming down my face. And I too thought of others who could not be there with us. We had visited Jim Johansen's apartment before driving across the bay and Leslie took me by the street that Wally had lived on. Of all people, Wally should have been at that concert. But I know in my heart that in some way, he was there. And his smile was even bigger than the one he had during the Painting With Words and Music taping. Leslie had logged on earlier in the day and read some of the reviews from L A. She was nice enough not to tell me anything about the set list. So everything that was performed after 'Both Sides Now' was a complete surprise. It just made me hungry for that next album! 'Be Cool' was great! Joni was swinging on that one. I was completely in awe, however, of 'Judgment of the Moon & Stars'. I had kind of expected to hear that one. When Joni was talking in some interview about what might be on the next record, she had mentioned how she was only able to use minimal orchestration on the original. And the very amusing story about Beethoven was a dead giveaway for me. Although I think the original is lovely, especially Joni's impassioned vocal at the end, this fully orchestrated version truly amazed me. The song seemed to fit this treatment so well, as if this is the way she had originally conceived it. It assumed heroic, epic, symphonic proportions and the melody and words fit into the orchestral setting like a hand into a glove. Glorious! I liked the new treatment of 'Hejira' also. I can't describe it as well as some of our more knowledgeable musicians but it definitely had a new feeling to it that I liked. 'For the Roses' is one that I really want to hear the finished version of. As Kakki pointed out, the orchestra's performance was not letter perfect on any of the 'new' songs so I really am anxious to hear the finished product. I'm glad that somebody used the word 'dissonant when describing the sound of this rendition of 'For the Roses'. It was the word I was looking for but couldn't quite come up with. It certainly put an new slant on the song. Instead of hearing it from the perspective of someone whose experience of fame & success in the music business is still relatively new, this version had a weary, almost bluesy sound to it. And Joni's changing 'so much confetti' to 'juveniles & wankers' definitely put a new spin on it! It was great fun to see her perform 'Trouble Man.' Although we stood and clapped & yelled and banged on the seats even after the lights had come up, apparently there was no more music to be had. I for one was hoping it would never end! It was certainly a thrill to get to my seat before the concert started and find the ravishing Mary Grace Valentinson standing there. Chatting with her is always a joy. It was also great to meet Rich Neuwirth and Russell Bowden. More faces to put with the names in our community! And after the concert we also met Kelly & his friend Kent. Of course it was a pleasure and an honor to meet Jim Johansen and his partner Andrew and their delightful friend, Blair. All in all this was definitely a peak experience for me. The Gorge concert in '98 was phenomenal and it was wonderful to see Joni there, playing her guitar and performing more of her own material. But in many ways this concert was so much better. The crowd at the Pavilion were behind her one hundred percent unlike at the Gorge. At the Gorge I had to use all my powers of concentration to focus on Joni and to keep myself from getting up and knocking heads together as people talked, got up & down and generally showed no regard for anybody who had come to see Joni. Also the seats we had Saturday night were excellent (thank you again, my darling Natasha!). And ultimately, for me anyway, what was important about this concert was seeing Joni sing. I know she is a consummate guitarist, pianist and plays a mean dulcimer. But for me, she could be banging on a washtub and playing a kazoo and it wouldn't matter. What matters to me is Joni and the marvelous creations she continues to give us, whether they be accompanied by guitar, piano, enhanced by a V-G8, a synthesizer or a 70 piece orchestra. Seeing her sway and move her hands and sing in such a gloriously expressive manner is something I will never forget. The Florida people are under Joni's spell right now (or they were when I started writing this.) I wish I were with them! All of you who are going to see Joni on the east coast, you are in for a wonderful evening! And to those of you who can't attend, I hope that the descriptions have given you some idea of the magic of this concert and have helped lessen your envy somewhat. I know I would be pea green right now if I had not been able to make the journey to Concord. Siquomb, she is indeed. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:04:26 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: writing, input and Aimee Mann From: "Kurt Joachim von Behrmann" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:42:24 -0700 May 17, 2000 Hello and thanks for visting www.thestream.com If any of you are interested in writing, and getting a little pocke money, visit their site. I will have more Joni Mitchell content there since she is popular once again. Oh, this maybe of some interest to all of you. Several years ago, Joni Mitchell sited Aimee Mann as being one of the more interesting singer songwriters at the time. It was 1980 when she made that comment, which is high praise coming from Mitchell. At any rate, her CD Bachelor No 2, or The Last Remains of the Dodo is out in strores. On the heels of her oscare performance and the release of Magnolia,which features her songs not only on the soundtrack, but as inspiration for the film itself, Mann's self finananced CD is in record stores nation wide. If you are not familiar with her work, this new CD is great start. It features some of her best work to todate and I think people that like Joni Mitchell will like this album. Aside from being female, blonde and slightly German looking, ( well I think Joni looks German, and yes it is a compliment) there is little they have in common musically or lyrically. What they do share is the ability to write distinctive, interesting challanging songs that are not part of the pop fodder. You won't hear any of that Brittney Spears, Backstreet Boys pop puff here. I have been a fan of Aimee Mann's since the til Tuesday days. Since then, Mann, like Joni Mitchell, has proven that she can hold her own with the guys and in some ways outshine them. So take a listen. It is well worth it. For the record on Urge for Going, I think a guy can sing it with conviction. I even managed Micheal from Mountains and I had a King. Believe it or not, I can still perform those songs in the key they were sung in by Joni Mitchell. But I have to admit it is a strain. Thanks a lot and have fun Favorite Joni Mitchell line "Where some have found their paradise, others just come to harm..." Favrite songs, just for the record Jericho, Two Grey Rooms, Happiness is the Best Facelift, Amelia, Edith and the Kingpen, Sweet Bird, I had a King, MIcheal from Mountains, Cactus Tree, Both Sides Now, the new version, The Last Time I saw Richard, Tin Angel, Willie, The Arrangment, Rainy Night House, Let the Wind Carry Me, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, Otis and Marlene, Backstreet, My Secret Place, Dog Eat Dog, Cherokee Louise, Cold Blue Steel, Sunny Sunday, Turbulent Indigo, Harlem In Havana, Man from Mars. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:29:27 -0700 From: guitarzan@saber.net Subject: Re: Concord show Seanapper@aol.com wrote: > But I did get to HEAR one list member: > > "Did you guys hear me holler 'You've Changed' (her outfit) when she came back > for the 2nd half of the show??" > > I DID hear that, RandyRemote! I wish I could take credit, 'cause it made Joni laugh, but it wasn't me. OOOOUUUUUUU!!! was about as articulate as I got. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:41:48 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: It's not the guitar, it's JONI! Concorde concert info Ah Mark, Thanks - many of us have been waiting to read what we knew would be a beautifully written review from you and, indeed, it was just gorgeous. I find myself reliving the magic so much through it and also David Marine's beautiful report from L.A. I hope both of you will send them over to JM.com - more of the world needs to read reviews like these. Also, thanks to Clark for his "inside the hangar" reporting for the "network" and describing it in his great cinematic style. I'm still giggling at the images of the many Joan drones led by King Drone Klein. Ha! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:17:33 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: tape trees and Napster Russ wrote: >I'm not suggesting that this distribution method REPLACE tape trees. The >tape may be the best alternative for list members who must pay by the hour >for online time or for those who have slow connections and small hard >drives. But it's a terrific option for other list members who don't have to >wrestle with those issues. I'd be interested to see what more "senior" list >members think. Not to mention those of us that (a) don't even have sound cards, and (b) have no means by which to download MP3's onto tape or CD. My PC is on loan from work, since I do a fair amount of work at home, but it's an old model (the reason they let me have it), and while it certainly serves it's purpose (I'm here!) it's capabilities are fairly limited - and my boss certainly wouldn't rate a sound card and speakers for my home use as high on his list of priorities for the next budget! I could buy my own PC, of course, but to be honest, I don't need all the fancy extras - admittedly sound would be nice, but I can survive without it, that's why I have a stereo! Hell - pretty damn grateful to be here, and who, like Bob, likes getting presents in the mail! _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:20:30 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni & Croz at Woodstock Brian wrote: >Well, it seems that either: > >Scott's leg was getting pulled by the guy telling a good story >OR >Crosby has burned out enough brain cells that he no longer remembers :-) The Croz also said in a later post: >also ....there were no "latrine trenches" .....they had >Porta-Pottys......remember the guy in the movie which I now remember as well, and pretty much confirms it for me. He was also touring with CSN and would have had trouble getting time off for a sound check. Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:24:28 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni & Croz at Woodstock > The Croz also said in a later post: > > >also ....there were no "latrine trenches" .....they had > >Porta-Pottys......remember the guy in the movie This is so cool - I have to get to reading my 2 week backlog of Lee Shore digests. Hell, while we have him online, why don't you ask him about Urge For Going? ;-D I've always wished he would show his face over here sometime, but it's probably more than enough just to keep up with his own list! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:42:57 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni Numinosity Nickel Chief wrote: >Amid all the tour hoopla, I wonder if this small question might be answered >alongside all the ecstatic reports: what are the captions in the >speech-balloons on the cover of DJRD? My CD booklet is printed so poorly, >the only one I can read is, "How"! I don't think anyone's answered this yet! From my vinyl copy, the front cover has Joni (as a black man) saying "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter", the first inside sleeve has a "back" shot of Joni saying "In My Dweems We Fwy", the second inside sleeve has Joni (as a black man again) saying "Mooslems, Mooooslems, Heh, Heh, Heh", and a "normal" shot of Joni saying "Baila Mi Rumba". The back cover has a photo of Joni (when she was a child) dressed as an Indian, saying "How"! I hope that answers your question! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:13:54 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Urge for going.....to W.Palm David wrote in response to Bob's question: >> Forget about the covers, our next JMDL project should be a TIME MACHINE!! :-) >> >> Can you imagine? What if we did and were back in those little clubs watching >> her get started? What would we tell her? >Don't write "Dancin' Clown"! ;) Wash your mouth out! The following would be far better advice: "Don't leave your guitar in the care of airport luggage handlers" "Have a close look at your Evian bottle in about 20 years" "Beware of housekeepers" "Don't ever, EVER perm your hair" Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:34:41 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: Urge for Going Controversy Bob Muller (Perception) posted: > It means there's a line in the song that goes "I had a girl in summertime, > with summer-colored skin".... The line only contains "girl" when sung by a man as far as I'm aware. Joni uses the word "man" in this line in any version I've heard. > And in regards to the 'ply the fire with kindling' controversy, I notice in > Travis' version they sing "pile the fire with kindling", which makes a WHOLE > lot more sense to me than 'ply' or 'apply'! Somehow I didn't receive the original post where the "kindling controversy" is first mentioned but I fail to see any controversy at all. To my mind it can only be "I'll ply...." I lived in a small cabin with only a wood cook stove for heat for three years and the line "ply the fire with kindling" brings back oh so vivid memories of trying to bring to life a fire made of not-quite-ready-to-burn wood by inserting pieces of kindling into the smoldering, smoking pile of damp wood. And if the day was cold enough, you know what?, I'd crawl back into bed and pull the blankets up to my chin (or sometimes completely over my head!) All good things Rick ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #195 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?