From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #187 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, May 15 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 187 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Please!! Help me!! [Ju Neitzke e Lea ] Please!! Help me!! :) [Ju Neitzke e Lea ] Please!! Help me!! :) [Ju Neitzke e Lea ] Please!! Help me!! :) [Ju Neitzke e Lea ] Please!! Help me!! [Ju Neitzke e Lea ] Re: Those Swinging Rock 60s (md-3) ["James L. Leonard" ] Please!! Help me!! :) [Ju Neitzke e Lea ] Re: Please!! Help me!! [catman ] Re: joni concert - and Wally ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] L.A. Concert Report [Lindsay Moon ] Fwd: Please!! Help me!! :) ["P. Henry" ] Re: Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com [FMYFL@aol.com] toontown in june [Kate ] Re: Please!! Help me!! :) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] The lithos [Randy Remote ] Re: The lithos [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Concord Show [Randy Remote ] Re: The lithos [Randy Remote ] Re: Concord Show [CaTGirl627@aol.com] More on the Concord show [MGVal@aol.com] L.A. Concert Report--The Rest (Long) [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com ["Kakki" ] toontown in June [evian ] Re: L.A. Concert Report--The Rest (Long) ["Kakki" ] RE: Please!! Help me!! :) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Joni Thru the Eyes of a 9 year old ["Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Please!! Help me!! Hello, I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell". I was so sad when I knew it. Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this event. This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so much, Juliana Neitzke. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:10:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Ju Neitzke e Lea Subject: Please!! Help me!! :) Hello, I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell". I was so sad when I knew it. Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this event. This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so much, Juliana Neitzke. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:11:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Ju Neitzke e Lea Subject: Please!! Help me!! :) Hello, I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell". I was so sad when I knew it. Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this event. This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so much, Juliana Neitzke. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:10:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ju Neitzke e Lea Subject: Please!! Help me!! :) Hello, I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell". I was so sad when I knew it. Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this event. This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so much, Juliana Neitzke. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:12:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ju Neitzke e Lea Subject: Please!! Help me!! Hello, I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell". I was so sad when I knew it. Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this event. This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so much, Juliana Neitzke. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:18:54 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Those Swinging Rock 60s (md-3) Brian Wilson has always credited Chuck Berry for the music to "Surfin' USA" (and shared royalties with him). I should have mentioned that in my earlier post. (A Debate Team tactic, I suppose..."only address that which the opposing team has put forth.) :-) "Boston Jim" - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Those Swinging Rock 60s (md-3) > In a message dated 00-05-14 13:12:05 EDT, jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > << I believe "Surfin' USA" (1963) pre-dates Martha and the Vandellas "Dancin' > In The Streets." >> > > It may have predated Dancing in the Streets but it didnt predate "Sweet > Little Sixteen" of which surfin USA is pretty much a knock off. > > They're really rockin is Boston > Philadelphia PA > Deep in the heart o Texas > Around the Frisco bay > all over manhattan > and down the carribean > > all the cats wanna dance with > sweet little sixteen > > Now if Surfin USA didnt duplicate everything about this song then I give up./ > > After this the question is not whether Brian Wilson was a tallent or even > groundbreaking etc. he was. the fact that as the sixties got going Brian went > tube city assurredly crippled his chances to make contributions. But the fact > is the sixties were mainly political music wise. they were also cutting edge > in terms of concerts and multi media presentations. The Beach Boys were > missing all those elements. > As all kinds of other bands from the san Francisco sound group (The Dead, > Airplane, Quyicksilver, Country Joe, Santana, etc etc etc produced album > after album Brian was suffering in his own world. had he been around maybe > he would have been among the leaders of the whole thing. But history cant be > rewritten. That is all I have said. Im not anti-beachboy. Im a realist. That > doesnt necessarily diminish his career. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:36:34 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Please!! Help me!! :) Hi Juliana, Yes, the TNT Tribute to Joni Mitchell will be available, free, on video tape with the stereo tracks intact. This means that if you have a nice home theater system, the music will come through the front two channels in stereo! You are going to have to be patient if you choose to wait for the next installment of the official JMDL video tape tree though. It's being compiled by Santa's elves in their off-season but should be available soon. In the mean time, if you'd like a copy of the Tribute on cassette, send me an email and I can fix you up, free. What could be better? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:38:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Ju Neitzke e Lea Subject: Please!! Help me!! :) Hello, I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell". I was so sad when I knew it. Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this event. This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so much, Juliana Neitzke. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:53:10 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Please!! Help me!! I think it is safe to assume that this person would really like a tape of that show. Ju Neitzke e Lea wrote: > Hello, > I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it > showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni > Mitchell". > I was so sad when I knew it. > Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this > event. > This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? > I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so > much, > Juliana Neitzke. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ - -- "When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather - and unlike his passengers who were screaming in terror and hanging onto their seats!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:05:08 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: joni concert - and Wally Anne, Did you notice Kakki's brief mention that the JMDL community uhh..... acquired...... some superlative tapes of the LA show? That means that you'll hear the LA version of "Judgement of the Moon and Stars" very shortly. I guarantee that. The folks who uhmmm..... acquire these tapes are not a vocal bunch (stunning understatement) but they are tenacious and dedicated and love Joni. Stay tuned Anne. BTW, I'm working on your "HOSL Demos" tape. I'll have it in the mail Monday but the artwork will take longer. Lamadoo near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:55:56 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com I am curious if anyone had read the postings Jim has on the website about other reactions to the LA concert and your reactions. Talk about differing views - very interesting. This could be the stuff a long thread is made of! I didn't recogize any of the posters as JMDL gang members. Could be wrong about that, still being a newbie. Happy Sunday....the close to a fun weekend. I was sure when I woke this AM I needed a cane, iron lung, and someone to pray over me. These LA folks know how to party, and I even skipped the second half of last night's session which I understand ended only when the Sunday LA Times was plopped on Kakki's stoop! (BTW, one of my cardinal rules: Always be home before the morning paper is delivered! No regrets, Coyote (Rick) Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:40:05 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: L.A. Concert Report Well, so sorry to take so long to come through with a report! My life other than Joni precluded my speedy reportage. Drove up to L.A. in horrendous traffic (took me 4 hours -- a trip that usually takes about 2 1/2). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:48:53 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Fwd: Please!! Help me!! :) if there's anyone out there who has the tape and the duplicataing capability, can you please help this poor soul??? ...and, while you're at it, could you also please help *this* poor soul as well? (me) pat - --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:12:43 From: Ju Neitzke e Lea To: philipf@tinet.ie, "P. Henry" Hello, I love Joni Mitchell and I was out of country when it showed in TNT channel 40 "An all-star tribute to Joni Mitchell". I was so sad when I knew it. Please, I really want to buy the video tape for this event. This is very important to me. Do you know how taped? I look forward to receive a reply. I appreciate so much, Juliana Neitzke. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:25:29 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com Coyote writes: << I am curious if anyone had read the postings Jim has on the website about other reactions to the LA concert and your reactions. Talk about differing views - very interesting. This could be the stuff a long thread is made of! >> Yes I did, and couldn't believe one of the reviews. I don't think this person is from the JMDL. He/She didn't sign their name, but it was not a favorable review at all. They didn't even get some of their facts right ie. saying she sang "Refuge of the Roads". Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I don't think this person knew what this concert was all about! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:55:07 -0600 From: Kate Subject: toontown in june Would everyone attending the Mendel opening consider wearing a nametag identifying themselves as a JMDL member? You'll know me -- I'll be the one accompanying the kid on silver crutches -- but how will I know you? It sounds like a good number of us will be going; we should agree to meet somewhere afterward. I wonder where Joni will be going. My son, Emil, said "I'm going to meet Joni, and then afterward we'll go to her house and get to know each other." Ever so matter-of -factly. I have been enjoying your posts about the concert the other night. It sounds like a wonderful way to experience Joni. I saw her at the Edmonton Folkfest some six years back, but couldn't really enjoy it as much as I wished because people kept walking in front of me and this one woman stood right up in front of the stage with her kid on her hip, blocking out many people's view, and two women not far from me kept hollering at her to sit down, and the exchange between the three of them got distressingly rude -- I was insulted for Joni's sake, thought if these people were such great fans of hers they should have had more respect for her than that, and all three of them should have shut the hell up, and the one in front should have shown some consideration and gotten herself out of the way, and I really wished the security people would have done their job better and removed her themselves. If *I* ran the world ...!!! I'd love to see her -- in assigned seating!! Kate of the North ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:49:54 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Please!! Help me!! :) Hi Juliana, I can see from your persist requests that you love Joni. So do we all. I just bought a second VCR to help out with duplicating the Tribute show. It will be distributed free but it hasn't been mastered yet. I can't duplicate it for you today but I WILL make one for you. Gentle music lover, please stop posting this request hourly. I'm glad you're share the enthusiasm of the group. You don't know me but I will not let you down. You're going to have to trust me and find placid waters, a quiet still place to wait. Try listening to For The Roses. There is no signup list today for the next Video Tree but I will take special care of you- I'll make sure, damn sure, that you get a copy of the Tribute along with what ever Joni appearances on TV will fit. Okay? Won't you post a message about how you discovered Joni.... while you're listening to "For The Roses"..... and waiting patiently? :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:01:24 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: The lithos READ THIS IF YOU PLAN TO BUY LITHOS After fighting a hurrendous 10 mile long traffic jam, my wife and I arrived at the Concord Pavillion shortly before 8PM. The t-shirt booth was jammed, 30-40 people trying to buy and only 2 attendants. I happily noticed they had signed lithos for $100, but after waiting in line awhile, decided I would sneak back quickly during the concert and grab one. Oops. They only had 35 signed lithos in Concord, and the last one was being rolled up and sold as I approached. So I bought a shirt.... Anyway, the moral of this story, jmdlers, is, if they have signed lithos, and you want one, don't wait. I ended up finding my seat at 8PM and sitting there while the show didn't start 'til 8:30. What I should have done, I realized later, was to find the 2nd t-shirt booth, which was further away from the entrance. Unsigned lithos (essentially $50 posters, sorry) were of 4 of Joni's works 1. Cover art of BSN (without lettering) 2. Rear cover of BSN (ie the back of her head) 3. Yellow roses still life 4. Joni and whassisname tonqueing The only signed litho I actually saw was the BSN cover, and I suspect that was the only type available. I don't know if they were numbered/limited editions. They were sold, as far as I could tell, without any sort of protective packaging, I would advise you to bring a 24" cardboard mailing tube to keep it from damage. A few impressions of the concert will follow... Luv, RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:14:40 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: The lithos In a message dated 5/14/2000 11:02:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << The only signed litho I actually saw was the BSN cover, and I suspect that was the only type available. I don't know if they were numbered/limited editions. They were sold, as far as I could tell, without any sort of protective packaging, I would advise you to bring a 24" cardboard mailing tube to keep it from damage. >> Thanks for the heads up on the lithos. I was planning on buying mine early and then put it in the car. That is IF I can leave and come back in again. The idea of a shipping tube is very smart thinking. I have a few lying around so will do that as well. What do the T-shirts look like and how many styles were there? Catgirl getting very excited!! WHOO-HOOOO!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:40:00 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Concord Show As you have figured out by now, the show was wonderful. Joni was relaxed and in fine voice, and made humorous, generally short comments to preface each song. The audience in Concord was enthusiastic and supportive, and were very much enjoying themselves, and Joni was picking up on the energy. The five minute or so orchestral piece preceeding her appearance on stage was nice enough, but I think that an instumental rendition of one of her songs would have been a better choice. When Joni hit the stage, the audience gave her the first of several standing ovations, with sustained applause and cheers. I must say that her long crinkled coat appeared to be of the same material as kd lang's pants, and it looked like someone had taken a paint roller and gone over it in gold paint. Another standing ovation followed ACOY and prompted Joni to comment that 'I guess it brings you to your feet too', or something close to that. One thing I had not really thought about, but became aware of immediately, was that, unless you were in the first 20 rows, the sound you heard of the orchestra was totally from the loudspeakers, and while the sound system was first rate, it did give it an electronic sounding edge, and made me wish once again that they had booked this show in Davies Hall or someplace similar, that is set up for symphonies. The two double basses, for instance, were very 'up' in the mix, which sounded great but a tad unnatural at the same time. Another thing that has not been mentioned was the difference in crowd response to the standards as opposed to Joni's own compostions. While all the music was well received and applauded, the originals were greeted with 10 times more enthusiasm, and for my money, were 10 times better. So, I will say this: the BSN album was just a warm up for what's to come! My only slight reservation was for Hejira. This is a wonderful song with, I feel, a very mystical vibe to it. I've seen Joni perform it a few times before. Klein's absolutely gorgeous bass playing notwithstanding, trying to fit a steady swinging beat to this song didn't really work that well. I thought. The other originals were mind blowing, and Joni's compositions and lyrics blow those standards out of the water! After the Marvin Gaye song, the lights went up, and the crowd, on it's feet, shouted, clapped, and stomped for a solid five minutes. They wanted more. But hey, this kind of a band can't wing it. When you're done, there ain't no more. The orchestra remained seated, making us all wonder if maybe there would be an encore. Finally, conductor Vince Mendoza reappeared, motioned for the orchestra to stand up and take another bow, then took the first violinist (another of the musical directors, forgot his name), by the hand and led him out, to let everyone know that was a wrap. Beautiful, and we had the pleasure on Sunday of viewing a rare showing of Magritte's paintings at the SF museum of modern art, which runs to Sept 5. It was as moving as the concert (heresy!)and I recommend it highly if you are going to be in SF. My Joni synchronicity moment: on the way to the concert, stopped by a liquor barn to stock up on a couple bottles of red wine. The guy in line before me was only buying a bag of ice. The cashier looked at him and asked "Just ice?" RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:47:50 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The lithos The t shirts ($27) are very nice, short sleeve. The Turbulent Indigo cover Van Gogh, which I am modeling right now, is a rich dark teal. To the best of my recollection, the Taming the Tiger was a dark green and the BSN brown. I think. Nice heavy fabric, which came in handy at the frigid pavillion. RR CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the heads up on the lithos. I was planning on buying mine early > and then put it in the car. That is IF I can leave and come back in again. > The idea of a shipping tube is very smart thinking. I have a few lying > around so will do that as well. What do the T-shirts look like and how many > styles were there? > Catgirl getting very excited!! WHOO-HOOOO!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:50:04 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Concord Show In a message dated 5/14/2000 11:41:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << My Joni synchronicity moment: on the way to the concert, stopped by a liquor barn to stock up on a couple bottles of red wine. The guy in line before me was only buying a bag of ice. The cashier looked at him and asked "Just ice?" RR >> How adorable!! Oh..nad thanks for the great post! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:25:24 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: More on the Concord show I gave myself plenty of time to get to the venue what with leaving Davis at noon on Saturday. Actually, I stopped off in Martinez for a long lunch with an old friend and then headed off to the CP. As I waited at the entrance for my friend, Rich, fortified with 3 library books, one concert goer turned to me and told me how excited she was to finally be seeing Joni live. She hadn't heard her new album but loved, loved, loved Joni's work. Hopefully, she said, Joni will do that "Judy Collins song" this evening. "Oh, do you mean "Someday Soon?" I sweetly asked. "No, that other one that she is always singing, you know...bows and flows of angel hair." "Well, I hate to bust your bubble, but that is actually a JM composition." "No way!" "Yep, I'm fairly certain that Joni wrote the song herself." "Really? All these years I never knew that." Another person set straight on what's what. One thing that I regret about the evening was that I procrastinated too long about making a small sign for JMDL members in the audience. I was lucky enough to locate the Mixons and the extremely handsome Mark Scott, but with the except of Russ, (who cleverly wore his JMDL denim shirt), didn't locate a soul. A sign, "JMDL Spoken Here," would have been perfect. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 21:29:48 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: L.A. Concert Report--The Rest (Long) Well, I got a little heavy-handed with the Send button earlier and only sent about a sentence of this post. New Joni Lore: Overhead a man near me telling someone that Joni had gone to Woodstock two days (Phylliss heard four days from someone else) before the event to do a sound check. Anyone ever heard this? Show me the tape and I'll believe it. Okay. So the traffic was bad. Met up first with Phyliss and Kakki both of whom looked just lovely -- oh, forgot, this is about Joni. And got to meet Scott and Shawn Price and Clark. Great to meet new faces to me. Beautiful orchestral piece to begin (unidentified) with Vince Mendoza conducting. At times to me it almost sounded like something I'd heard from an old movie soundtrack, but couldn't put my finger on it. Wish they'd identified it. Fashion Report: Joni in purple, just-below-knee length dress with cape falling over back which floated in the night breeze and was very pretty. To me, it looked like satin, but someone else said they thought it was a ribbed fabric. I can't be sure; I just couldn't see it that well. I'm not sure if I thought the dress was right for her. Maybe it's just not the kind of thing I'm used to seeing her wear. Kakki mentioned she thought Myrtle might have been sitting in the front row. I thought maybe Myrtle had suggested the dress for her. I think Joni was going for a '30s and '40's chaunteuse look. I thought the dress was ill-fitting around her hips and awkward for her as she kept tugging at various parts of it. She looked more comfortable in the long skirt, fitted top and long sweater she came out in after the intermission. She remarked that this was such an adult thing to do and a thrill of a lifetime to have this great orchestra on a beautiful night. Couldn't agree more. A female heckler yelled out, "Joni, you are *so* beautiful!" Nicely put. The songs were just wondrous in person. I swayed in my seat with all the wonderful swing rhythms. Just great. I noticed, as Rick reported, that she needed the lyric sheet for "I Wish I Were in Love Again." I don't blame her; it's kind of a wordy piece. Felt she really perked up when Herbie came on-stage -- just in from an airplane she announced. She got a standing ovation after "BSN," which was just beyond belief. I just live for every word of it coming out of her mouth. Kakki remarked that we should have seen "Ludwig's Tune" coming after her story about Beethoven selling out on writing a piece of music that would be popular and make him a lot of money, but being 'humiliated because it was the worst piece of shit he'd ever written.' No clue ever hit me of what was to come, and I was stunned, absolutely stunned, when she introduced the song. As the orchestra went into the musical segment of it and she stood listening, I thought I hope she is appreciating what an amazing piece of music this is, to have been written at such an early point in her musical development or career, and how it is so musically complex and advanced that it just translates into an orchestral piece. I can't quite get my thought clear on that, but maybe you understand what I'm saying. I feel like many singers' compositions might need to be embellished, padded, for an orchestra, but Joni's original composition was pretty much orchestral. Folksinger, my, uh, rear-end. Mind-boggling. "For the Roses," I felt, lacked a little cohesiveness, but I might feel differently if I heard it a few more times. It was just so thrilling to hear it performed after so long. In this setting especially, much of her music struck me as so theatrical, little dramas, their complex images and music composition. Who reported that the trumpet player they met up with afterwards at the gas station ('the guy at the gas pumps/he's got a lot of soul ...') was not sure he was playing the right notes because of the music's sometimes discordant nature. Sometimes she even seemed to have trouble keeping up with the words! Am still wondering about some of the crowd. I was amazed at how many times people were in and out of their seats in the middle of her songs. If anyone in my row had tried it, I might have lost control of a metal nail file into someone's thigh ... (I know, I look so innocent). The two women to my left never once clapped after songs, although I think they did for "A Case of You" and "Both Sides Now," leading me to think they might have been expecting Joni to do all her old stuff. Then after the concert some guy two rows down was complaining about "Joni Stupid Mitchell." Looking at me with my beatific grin he said, "did *you* like it?" I said I *loved* it, and he remarked to his friend, well, I'll find someone who hated it as much as I did. My stars! What was he expecting? Some of his reaction might have been due to the drink in his hand, which I think was not his first. As I remarked to a few people, on my way in I heard a guy telling a group of friends he wished she'd play the dulcimer again. Hon! Where have you been?? I returned to the entryway to retrieve a BSN program (mine had fallen out of my purse) and met up with the Dulsons, met Michael Paz (glad to meet up with some of the invetarate listers!) Never did get a shirt which I probably should have. Slogged my way down Sunset Blvd. to our next hot spot, the Hotel Bel Air. The traffic, again, was so horrendous. The Hotel Bel Air was a lovely spot for our group and we had a fun time. I could just imagine Joni lounging on one of the overstuffed couches, smoking cigarettes and regaling all of us with her latest escapades. Glad to meet Catherine Turley, whose ingenuity defies the imagination (I'll leave it at that ; ) Glad to meet Rick and Brad (and so sad to learn of the great party I had to miss at their reportedly stunning home). Great to meet Frank from San Antonio, a very friendly person. I'm just sorry I didn't chat with everyone as much as I'd liked. Wished I could have turned the clock backwards a few hours to start partying, but at 2 a.m., I couldn't go on. As Rick says, Note to Self: Have *got* to do this more often! Best wishes to all you going to her upcoming shows. You will be blown away. Guaranteed. Sorry to go on so long, but I know you're the only ones who'll listen. SIQUOMB -- again! Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:45:16 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com In a message dated 5/14/00 7:28:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << Yes I did, and couldn't believe one of the reviews. I don't think this person is from the JMDL. He/She didn't sign their name, but it was not a favorable review at all. They didn't even get some of their facts right ie. saying she sang "Refuge of the Roads". Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I don't think this person knew what this concert was all about! >> I, too, was surprised to read such differences. I thought I would see some differing favorites and all, but the one that Jimmy is talking about seemed as though they were at a different show altogether. About the only thing I agree with was her smoking on stage. May as well have her up there pumping a needle in her arm, but I also know that from my past experience, I tend to have a hard view on drug addiction. Still, smoking notwithstanding, her voice was more than capable of doing the songs. Some of the LA people remarked about people in the audience moving about throughout the songs. I think that at the Concord, the majority of the audience was simply spellbound. There were, of course, the dragged along partners, (I had one to my immediate right), but they were well trained and stayed in their seats. (:-D Again, the more I think back over last night, the more I love the mini-dramas of "Judgment of the Moon and Stars," and "For the Roses." Makes me really look forward to the next CD. MG - waiting for the Melotin to kick in ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 21:46:45 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Concert Reactions on JoniMitchell.com Coyote and Jimmy wrote: >>Talk about differing views - very interesting. This could be >>the stuff a long thread is made of! > > Yes I did, and couldn't believe one of the reviews. I don't >think this person is from the JMDL. He/She >didn't sign their name, but it was not a favorable review at all. They didn't even get some of their facts >right ie. saying she sang "Refuge of the Roads". Everyone has a right to their opinion, but I don't think >this person knew what this concert was all about! I just went over to JM.com and read those reviews and feel compelled to take exception with a few things written so far. The Greek was pretty much full capacity as far as I could see - there were very few empty seats. Also, not all late arrivers were being rude or "typically L.A.". The traffic Friday afternoon and evening in L.A. was brutally horrendous. It took me well over an hour in the early afternoon to get to Rick's house taking my best short cuts (normally a 20 minute drive). The entire central city was in gridlock. By the time people were heading to the concert they were faced with not only the usual brand of horrible Friday night traffic, but a Dodger baseball game near by and a closure of Hollywood Blvd., a huge main artery, for some special event and construction work on the Academy Awards' new facility and subway station. Most of our group managed to arrive early but at starting time, 8:00 p.m., there were many empty seats due to the traffic jam. The concert was started a half hour late purposely to allow people more time to arrive. And no, she did not, as one reviewer noted, perform either "Let The Wind Carry Me" or "Refuge of the Roads" (although I would have loved that! ;-) I will be sending my own review to JM.com when I get back to "normal" and can do a proper job of it ;-D Kakki NP: Joni - Barangrill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:11:57 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #254 > > > > ....must be getting bored with al,k this concert talk by now so i thought I > would tell you what a thrilling weekend we had. > First of all the weather has gone from cold to in the 80's overnight. > My brand new pc blew up this morning. Or rather the monitor did. It went pop pop > pop and died. So i can't use it(this monitor won't go on it) till it is replced. > ALL my imoprtant stuff is on the other one-like the stuff to make and print the > UKJMDL gathering cd's. > I bathed and grromed dogs. Oh and hoovered the lawn and did a load of laundry. > So I pity you people really, you could have had the weekend i had but instead > you had suffer thru those concerts. What a shame. > > bw > colin > Lol! :-) Poor Colin, it's been an exhausting weekend with Oprah's big surprise and now this... I had a pleasant weekend as it was Mother's day! I finally received my copy of BSN... I'm so far behind everyone else! It's just magical... Concerts shmoncerts! Who needs to see Joni live when I've got... (wait, I'm thinking...) it'll come to me... Vanessa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:22:34 -0600 From: evian Subject: toontown in June Our Katie of the North wrote: > Would everyone attending the Mendel opening consider wearing a nametag > identifying themselves as a JMDL member? You'll know me -- I'll be the > one accompanying the kid on silver crutches -- but how will I know you? > Ok, I'll be the one who is about 5'10, 200 lbs (maybe less if the effects of the past three weeks of antibiotics doesn't abate), a goatee, brown hair and eyes, and the one who looks like he's 18, furiously chainsmoking and yakking incessantly with Ashara about God knows what! Seriously, anyone want to meet before hand? I am hopefully going to somehow score the afternoon off, so I'll be in S'toon by 2 pm, and will probably be meeting Ashara at the Bess. Why don't we all try to meet sometime in the late afternoon downtown, around the Bess/Sheraton/Riverbank area? Maybe we could go for a quick bite and drink downtown or on Broadway or something beforehand? Then again, since they aren't selling tickets, maybe we should be safe and just hang out in front of the Mendel all afternoon and pack sandwiches ;) Anyway, afterwords, what do y'all want to do? Check out the Jazzfest, or shall we just find some quiet lounge and gab our asses off? What do y'all think? Suggestions? Evian P.S. Ashara honey, it's in the mail as of 4:30 this afternoon, and I'll catch up with ya sometime this week if things ever slow down!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:40:18 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: L.A. Concert Report--The Rest (Long) Lindsay - good to see you surface with a good review! You wrote: > New Joni Lore: Overhead a man near me telling someone that Joni had gone to Woodstock two days >(Phylliss heard four days from someone else) before the event to do a sound check. Anyone ever >heard this? Show me the tape and I'll believe it. You too?! He also told Scott and Shawn Price the same story. This is some new Joni lore. Scott and Shawn both thought he sounded credible. Shawn later found a Joni colored pen painting in my STARART book entitled "The Road to Woodstock" and wondered some more about it all. > Felt she really perked up when Herbie came on-stage -- just in from an airplane she announced. Yes, she did perk up and wow, he was fantastic. He came onstage in a rush and she seemed so happy and relieved to see him - he was, no doubt, another trapped and delayed in the traffic snarl! >"For the Roses," I felt, lacked a little cohesiveness, but I might feel differently if I heard it a few more >times. It was just so thrilling to hear it performed after so long. I wanted to write some more about the FTR selections tonight since more thoughts came to me today, and I've also been provoked by some of the sentiments toward them in the JM.Com reviews. As I raved before, I was just blown away by the two FTR selections, but not because they were perfectly rendered - they were not, and it didn't matter. The music in both the FTR songs is incredibly complex. As Scott related about our chat with the 74 year-old trombone player at the gas pump, they were being attempted by an orchestra who had only rehearsed them for a few hours prior to the concert. He expressed to us that several members of the orchestra felt bad and a bit embarrassed that they could not always follow the music because it was "so unusual, so inside" and he said that they were getting a lot of the notes wrong at times. But what was so great was when he went on and on in awe of that particular music. He just shook his head in wonder and said it was like nothing he'd ever heard before. Bottom line - they were completely bowled over by her genius. I'm still getting a big grin thinking about his comments. At 4 a.m. this morning as the party here was winding down ;-) some of us had a chance to hear the concert again, ahem. I listened most intently to the FTR selections in particular and now feel that "For The Roses" was the most awesome music of the night. There is a very haunting quality to this rendition and there is something happening there that is startling and not quite explainable. It took my breath away all over again. >Then after the concert some guy two rows down was complaining about "Joni Stupid Mitchell." >Looking at me with my beatific grin he said, "did *you* like it?" I said I *loved* it, and he remarked to >his friend, well, I'll find someone who hated it as much as I did. My stars! What was he expecting? >Some of his reaction might have been due to the drink in his hand, which I think was not his first. Those were probably the &#@!*&'s behind us who kept yelling out "play Help Me!" Think I was the one who finally scared them off early when I went into my ecstatic writhing at the start of "Ludwig's Tune" heehee. Kakki NP: For the Roses ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 00:51:42 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Program Pictures For anyone interested in seeing the concert program..............there are pictures of it already on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=331699786 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=331869991 For anyone interested in a Free Meatball dinner at Ikea.......go to: http://www.ikea.com click under the section called "spring forward" then go to "empty stomach"... and print out coupon for Buy 1 Get 1 Free. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 03:04:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Please!! Help me!! :) somehow i have the impression that juliana would like to get a copy of the tnt tribute tape. am i mistaken? wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 03:02:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Please!! Help me!! :) >find placid waters, a quiet still place > to wait. Try listening to For The Roses. > this one cracked me up!!!! love, wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 02:42:41 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Joni Thru the Eyes of a 9 year old My nine year old niece Julia was visiting me today. I walked into the living room and she had a pile of CDs on the floor. She said"You have 18 Joni Mitchell CDs!" I acknowledged that was true. She said that she was going to put the CDs in order from earliest to latest. Julie is decidedly NOT a Joni Mitchell fan, "She sounds like an old bag" she says, "She makes all those weird noises" she says. (Julie does a mean imitation of Joni singing Chelsea Morning, second only to her disparaging imitation of Springsteen's Thunder Road) She then proceeded to put the CDs in chronological order (except for HSOL which confused her). I asked her how she knew the order, she said"I just looked at the covers and started when she looked the youngest and ended where she looked the oldest." Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #187 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?