From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #180 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Websites: - Unsubscribe: onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, May 11 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 180 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni tickets in FL response ["Debby Magill" ] re: colins humour [pat holden ] Newbie Question ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: Newbie Question [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Apologies... [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Newbie Question ["James L. Leonard" ] RT's Woodstock a "one-off" [Flip Feij ] Re: Please Help ! (SJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: The JMDL SIGN [Brian Gross ] Re: The JMDL SIGN [Chilihead2@aol.com] Re: Joni Imports? [Jerry Notaro ] Airplane (vljc) [Janene Otten ] Re: Airplane (vljc) ["James L. Leonard" ] Hip, HIP, HORRRRAYYYYYY (JCC) [Loren Carter ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #243 ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: RT's Woodstock a "one-off" [Bounced Message ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #242 ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #242 ["Alison Einerson" ] careers (VLJC) [Bounced Message ] Deep Dreaming [Bern44105@aol.com] Feedback on "Creative Writing" [Louis Lynch ] Mabel Mercer cover of BSN (VLJC) [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: careers (VLJC) ["Alison Einerson" ] music favorites part two ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: music favorites part two ["Alison Einerson" ] careers [Bounced Message ] ISO Simon ["Eric G. Postel" ] TNT Tribute - can anyone make a copy? [Les Irvin ] Re: BSN covered ["Garret" ] Re: Mabel Mercer cover of BSN (VLJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The JMDL SIGN ["Kakki" ] Re: Please Help ! (SJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Creative Writing Project (SJC) ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: careers (VLJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Wynonna loves Joni [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Mabel Mercer's version of "BSN" [jw1327@rcn.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #245 [BMBSPIRIT@cs.com] Re: Deep Dreaming ["Helen M. Adcock" ] How Do You Stop Redux [Howard Motyl ] From TimeOut.Com [Richard Goldman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 04:30:57 -0400 From: "Debby Magill" Subject: Re: Joni tickets in FL response Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:47:50 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in FL tickets available! In a message dated 5/9/00 2:52:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, debbyis@Prodigy.net writes: << Hey everyone! It's been awhile since I've written ... but I've been following the flow :~) Anyway, I have a pair of 5th Row seats for Joni in West Palm Beach, FL on 5/17 (a week from tomorrow)! I am NOT going to be able to use these tickets and am putting them up for sale for cost. I can't believe I can't go and I just don't want to be out that money, too. They are GREAT seats and I'm sure that someone would love to use them. >> Similarly, I have decided to send my pair of tickets to the West Palm Beach show to me new stepmother for Mother's Day. Paul I Hey, Paul! That is very nice of you to give your new stepmom such a great gift :~)! I'm not so fortunate to have relatives or friends in that area plus I am in a bit of a financial jam so getting the cost of the tickets back would be a huge help. I'm not working right now and am still recouping from an auto accident so I am hoping that a Joni fan somewhere on the planet will jump at the chance to sit in the 5th row to see her! Please say a prayer for me and pass on the news of these great seats if you would. Is there anyone else on this list in Florida? Please let me know! I know I've seen a few mentions here and there but can't recall who. Till later ~ Debby in Mad Beach ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 04:36:12 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: re: colins humour <> Dear Angela... a la mode aparatus for our beloved colin :) mags - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:17:06 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Newbie Question Good morning, all. :-) I have a question: I know that Siquomb is Joni's music publishing company, but I can't figure out what's meant by "Siquomb, isn't she?" (which appears at the bottom of the digests). What's the origin of the word "Siquomb," why did Joni name her music publishing company that, and what's meant by the JMDL in saying "Siquomb, isn't she?" Is it an acronym for a phrase or sentence? If so, what is it? Thanks. Befuddled in Florida... "Boston Jim" NP: Bill Frisell, Nashville, "One Of These Days" "Boston Jim" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:25:14 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Newbie Question In a message dated 05/10/2000 7:15:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: << Siquomb, isn't she?" Is it an acronym for a phrase or sentence? If so, what is it? >> Hi Jim, yes it is an acronym which stands for She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind Beauty Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:37:38 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Apologies... SORRY PAL but its too late. WE have already ordered your atomization at the hands of a BILLION army ants who will be storming your doors. Just to top off the punishment you WILL be forced to go on a date with Janet Reno WEARING K.D.Langs pants........and the audacity.....you forgot to put NJC on your apology....arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhh. marcel deste REALLLLLLLLLLLYYYYY miffed. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:46:55 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Newbie Question Thanks, Jimmy! It's been bugging me, and I finally remembered this morning to ask. "Boston Jim" - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 4:25 AM Subject: Re: Newbie Question > In a message dated 05/10/2000 7:15:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: > > << Siquomb, > isn't she?" Is it an acronym for a phrase or sentence? If so, what is it? >> > > Hi Jim, yes it is an acronym which stands for > She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind Beauty > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:49:02 +0200 From: Flip Feij Subject: RT's Woodstock a "one-off" Hi all, Richard Thompson and Danny Thompson (no-relation) started their European tour last Monday and last night in Utrecht (NL) someone called out a request for Woodstock, right after their first two songs. RT made desperate suppressing gestures and replied, "I'll pay you afterwards to keep quiet about that - it's not really in the repertoire." This could be considered as an example of the European impact even of his performance at the JM-Tribute. I thought you might like to know. Regards, Flip Feij- ******************************** Richard Thompson For Completists Website http://people.zeelandnet.nl/flipfeij/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:30:39 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Please Help ! (SJC) Alan wrote: >Could I please get a few people to test my Creative Writing web site before >*Thursday*. Just spend ten minutes or so playing with it and see what you >think. Some of the backgrounds I've created for Joni's lyrics are simply >stunning if you can set your display to "True Color" (Millions of Colors, 32 >bit color depending on your machine) >http://users.bigpond.com/AlanLorimer/ > >For the site in Australia, and > >http://jonimitchell.homestead.com/files/ > >For the site in North America. This site is worth checking out, just for the layouts! Very cool, and as Alan says himself, "simply stunning". Alan, I give you an A+, and a "tick-VG". I'd probably throw in a gold star as well! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:27:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: The JMDL SIGN - --- Chilihead2@aol.com wrote: > Also, I was hoping to track down that Yellow and Blue sign "Don from Florida" > had at the Day in the Garden. My hope is that we pass it like a torch from > one show to the next. This sign was a great way for JMDLers to find each > other at that show. Does anyone know where it is now? Is it possible to get > it to the CT show we could then pass it on to the next show in Boston and > etc. Hi Brian, The *HUGE* (5'x8') sign that Don and Gene had on the front of the RV is in Topsfield with our Ashara. It was proudly hung from the second floor of her house above the sliding door at Labor Day JoniFest 99 and is visible in the group picture from that wonderful gathering. It really is *TOO* big to use at the upcoming shows, except as part of the backdrop behind the orchestra - hey - that's an idea! :-) I think lap-sized signs are probably more appropriate for inside the concert venues. Before the show starts, if we jmdlers hold up our signs, we will be easily identified to each other. And for those of us second-row occupants, Joni will also be able to identify us during the show. I'm not sure what the story is with the first row seats. When the ticket window opened, the first person to buy was assigned second row seats. Is the first row held out for VIPs? Or left empty? Or for the press? A few weeks ago, Suze Cameron talked about the large banner that she made for A Day In The Garden being passed from show to show. I don't know what became of that idea. Take care everyone, Brian np: The Very Best Of Tom Rush - No Regrets ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:15:41 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: Re: The JMDL SIGN Hi Brian and the gang, I was thinking more that we could use the Blue and Yellow JMDL SIGN in the parking lots to spot each other before and after the show. It sure will draw interest as it did at Woodstock and perhaps even get us a few new listahs. I believe we'll be able to park close to the Oakdale ( the CT show) so we can have a little tailgate party beforehand. That sign would fit across our car, if Ashara cares to schlep it down with her. Only 18 more days! - -Chili ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:55:16 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni Imports? CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/9/2000 8:24:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > > << Imports is a polite euphemism for rip-off bootlegs. Someone OTHER than > Joni is > making a lot of money off these. Most are part of the Tape Trees in much > higher > audio quality. Save your money and trade with a list member. > > Jerry >> > That is great advice. There are some very friendly listers here that would > be more then happy to make you some copies of CD's or tapes from shows. I > have been very lucky in that department. > Catgirl And, also, most generous in the same. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:24:24 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: Airplane (vljc) Mark wrote: >The Kaukonen/Casady guitar/bass> >combination is still one of the best going.> You are absolutely right. Casady/Kaukonen is a fantastic combo and I see them every chance I get. I'm going to see Jorma tomorrow night in NYC. >Sometimes I think I don't belong on this list because my tastes in >music are so peculiar and there are so many bands/singers/songwriters that you people talk about that I either know little or nothing about.>> It was interesting that you commented on not knowing many of the artists/bands mentioned on the list but some of us listen to so much music and it's often difficult to choose the right ones to comment on. For example, I love Bob Dylan and Billie Holiday but didn't mention them in my post of favorite careers because I've already expressed my passion for their music on this list. There are many artists that I like that some of you have never heard like The Dear Janes or Chris Stills or Moby. I also like Stevie Ray Vaughan but can listen to Barry Manilow. Sometimes I listen to Black Sabbath but then Tallis or Mozart. There are too many artists that I can honestly say that I love to listen to. My whole life revolves around music so it's only natural that when my moods change, so does my music. I'm also fortunate in that I don't tire of bands that I initially take a liking to. I can still listen to anything by Joni and never tire of it. I can sometimes listen to Hejira 5 times in one day. I will sometimes repeat Amelia 5 times in a row. And for the record, I think kd lang is superb and I like Dwight Yoakum! Johnny Cash is also a winner! There is a new Cash 3 CD set called Love, God & Murder. CD 1 contains the LOVE songs, CD 2, the songs involving GOD or SPIRITUALITY and CD 3, well, mostly songs inspired by criminals and prisoners. =) It's a treasure. Also for the record, I wasn't always this open-minded. I've come to appreciate a lot of music such as country music that I'll even listen to it...FOR PLEASURE. Of course these are just my opinions (DO NOT ATTEMPT TO TRY THIS AT HOME) *lol* Janene np: STAS (on CD!!!! newly remastered!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:57:24 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Airplane (vljc) Hey, Janene. That was a great post. And Mark, you're wrong in thinking that your tastes are "peculiar." I'd say "excellent," instead. You and I would have a great time listening to and discussing the music of all of the artists you chose, and I'm sure that's true with a quite a few of the people on this list. Btw...I hope no one misconstrued my original intention in asking the "favorite careers" question. I had a subtle distinction in mind between favorite artists and favorite careers, and I probably didn't express it well at first. Some of the ten artists I listed as having had my favorite careers wouldn't end up on my list of Top 10 Favorite Artists, whereas Billie Holiday just might. Thelonious Monk, too. And then there's... and... and... :-) "Boston Jim" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Janene Otten To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 9:24 AM Subject: Airplane (vljc) > Mark wrote: > >Sometimes I think I don't belong on this list because my tastes in > >music are so peculiar and there are so many bands/singers/songwriters > that you people talk about that I either know little or nothing about.>> > > It was interesting that you commented on not knowing many of the > artists/bands mentioned on the list but some of us listen to so much music > and it's often difficult to choose the right ones to comment on. For > example, I love Bob Dylan and Billie Holiday but didn't mention them in my > post of favorite careers because I've already expressed my passion for their > music on this list. There are many artists that I like that some of you have > never heard like The Dear Janes or Chris Stills or Moby. I also like Stevie > Ray Vaughan but can listen to Barry Manilow. Sometimes I listen to Black > Sabbath but then Tallis or Mozart. There are too many artists that I can > honestly say that I love to listen to. My whole life revolves around music > so it's only natural that when my moods change, so does my music. I'm also > fortunate in that I don't tire of bands that I initially take a liking to. ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 00 13:17:35 EDT From: Loren Carter Subject: Hip, HIP, HORRRRAYYYYYY (JCC) All, (JCC) Joni Concert Content It's really gonna happen! Tickets for the concert arrived in the mail yesterday. We're really going, Joni is really gonna sing in front of an orchestra, and I'm really going to get to meet Catgirl, Marian, Lori, Justin, Eric, Janet, and the others (sorry that I didn't mention you all by name, but I know who you are). Slightly more than two weeks. The best part of the experience will be the excitement in my wife's face as we enter the pavillion. I remember the concert at the University of Md a couple of years back when she was almost running to get inside, smiling, happy, and like a school girl. Lordy, that was a good night. We were about 30 minutes early for the concert, but we still hurried into Cole Field House to start the experience. She hadn't seen Joni since a Jazz Fest in New Orleans some years back. I can't wait to see that renewed excitement in her face again. Ms. Mitchell, if you're out there, thanks, and I'm forever in your debt for giving me that one simple happiness (actually now (after May 25th), two) Loren..... ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:49:45 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #243 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 03:00:14 -0400 (EDT) From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #243 Reply-to: joni@smoe.org > I'd be interested in learning which recording artists are list members' > >favorites (after Joni, of course), and whose careers have been studied with > >as much (or, *almost* as much) interest. Joni, Jefferson Airplane,Genisis(pre abacab) are my all-time top 3. After that would be: Nanci Griffith, Allison Morrissette, Old David Bowie, Enya, Cocteau Twins, Fleetwood Mac, Joe Walsh(&james gang), Tull, Procol Harum, Spirit, Yes mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:09:11 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: RT's Woodstock a "one-off" From: "John van Tiel" Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:54:40 +0200 Hi Flip, I went to Richard Thompson's concert in Groningen (NL) last Monday. Apart from the fact that he was absolutely brilliant, more or less the same happened in our beautiful city, too. He asked the audience what they wanted to hear and someone shouted 'Black Crow'. His spontaneous answer was 'How did YOU know?'. Danny Thompson started grinning and played Goodbye Pork Pie Hat on his upright bass. I'd love to see the tribute concert. Is there anyone who out there could make a copy of the tape and bring it to the Jonifest in N.O.? >From a dyke in the North of the Netherlands... John van Tiel NP. Richard Thompson - Al Bowlly's in Heaven (Live at Crawley) Richard Thompson and Danny Thompson (no-relation) started their European tour last Monday and last night in Utrecht (NL) someone called out a request for Woodstock, right after their first two songs. RT made desperate suppressing gestures and replied, "I'll pay you afterwards to keep quiet about that - it's not really in the repertoire." This could be considered as an example of the European impact even of his performance at the JM-Tribute. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:32:16 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #242 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:17:05 -0400 (EDT) From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #242 Reply-to: joni@smoe.org > anymore....it's all nursery rhymes and songs about > being happily married. > who wants to listen to that depressing shit??? ;-) I do. I love Shawn Colvin's last album. Seems a lot of other people like her stuff too. mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:33:51 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #242 this was a little tongue in cheek, mike. as i stated before, shawn colvin is one of my favorite artists. alison e. (heavy on the sarcasm...) - ---------- >From: "Mike Hicks" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #242 >Date: Wed, May 10, 2000, 2:32 PM > >Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:17:05 -0400 (EDT) >From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) >To: joni-digest@smoe.org >Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #242 >Reply-to: joni@smoe.org > >> anymore....it's all nursery rhymes and songs about >> being happily married. >> who wants to listen to that depressing shit??? ;-) > >I do. I love Shawn Colvin's last album. Seems a lot of other people >like her stuff too. > >mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:30:14 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: careers (VLJC) From: "Yael Harlap" Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:26:54 GMT Hello! I can't believe that of all the amazing artists and careers people have mentioned so far, NO ONE has listed Tori Amos!! I realize her "career" hasn't been that long, yet, but then again, neither has mine (I'm 25) so I figure that's ok. Tori is my absolute favorite and I have lots and lots of CDs and singles and all sorts of goodies of hers. Her cover of A Case of You is what got me into Joni (so yes, I realize I am a recent addition to the Joni fanbase!). So even though Tori has only put out 5 albums (excluding the horrific big-hair 80's pop album Y Kant Tori Read), she has morphed and changed with every album, moving from the personal diary of Little Earthquakes to the impressionistic (as she labeled it) Under the Pink, to the confrontational and dark Boys For Pele, to the experimental and electronic-influenced From the Choirgirl Hotel, to the most recent album To Venus and Back. I have a weakness for her earliest stuff but I love the changes (at least better than I used to do) - it gets so dull when artists don't allow themselves fluidity. And her concerts are spectacularly intimate - even when she is backed by a full band. If she ever tours again solo with the piano, run, don't walk, to the show. Cheers, Yael yharlap@channelsinternet.com yaelha@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:36:09 EDT From: Bern44105@aol.com Subject: Deep Dreaming Ann, I think this is one of your best yet. There is some very powerful, albeit sinister imagery; rather reminds me of Sylvia Plath in places. Glad you broke your cardinal rule and shared it with us before you had a chance to edit it down. I think it's brilliant. Bern DEEP DREAMING I'm marooned here in this room Festooned in flowers and floating balloons The party girl is tired Propped up with chewing gum and chicken wire With a promise of flight On fledgling wings On thinnest night Deep dreaming to erase the old Crush the bones And chill the coals Make me dust Then make me whole Mail slips in on the flimsy wind And the fickle weather of others' whims The world still spins sustained By the merciless and mundane Out of sight and out of mind I chant and pray and pantimime The likeness of a life Deep dreaming to erase the old Crush the bones And chill the coals Make me dust Then make me whole Hell is such a holy place Where they rip your flesh and erase your face The sinner's soul is cleaned With the acid rinse of kerosene Just a promise of flight On wings too singed To scale the night Deep dreaming to erase the old Crush the bones And chill the coals Make me dust Then make me whole Copyright (c) 2000, Anne Sandstrom - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:53:41 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Feedback on "Creative Writing" Hi Alan, Harper Lou here, responding to your request for feedback on your web site. Very interesting concept -- using Joni's work to teach people how to respond creatively to the things around them. The Joni content is wonderful, with an excellent selection of examples of writing elements such as metaphors, similes and such. Your lessons are well presented. The graphics are superb. Movement through the site is easy. Obviously, you have worked hard on it, and I think it will be an admirable course when complete. I do have one fairly strong criticism, though. As a professional writer and teacher, I am disappointed with the writing on the course itself. You spent a lot of time planning, designing and publishing. Your effort deserves a bit more time proofreading and re-reading what you wrote. Your lessons promote creative thinking, but don't truly display good creative writing. If you are serious about publishing a "course," I would recommend editing your own writing more carefully. There are quite a few misspellings. Far too many for a serious writing course. Some writing on the lessons is not good. Passive voice predominates, and some sentences are overly wordy. For example, you write: One of the explanations given for "Barangrill" is that it is a metaphor for the waitress' life. Look for instances such as "is that it is." Creative writing requires powerful words -- concise, active, clear, direct. The same sentence: "Barangrill can be perceived as a metaphor for the waitress's life." Remember, you are writing a "course" on how to create other forms of writing. That means you must use more standard English, even though the creative writing itself can ramble. As a teacher, you must set an example. Here's another example that diminishes the "course." I haven't the foggiest notion what this sentence means: Yet another theme about patterns and meaning: trails, hexagram strings, scrambles, really know, geometric, etc. The course writing needs to communicate clearly. Writing encompasses many different freestyle forms of expression, such as poetry and free verse which have no rules. Songwriters almost have to eschew rules and conventions. So you may think that I'm being a bit strict. If that's the case, though, I would recommend changing the course to "Creative Songwriting" or "Creative Poetry Writing." Most song lyrics don't even stand up to good reading. Joni Mitchell is an exception -- virtually every word she writes packs a whallop. Her lyrics make a direct point, which is especially rare for a popular songwriter. She makes it sound good AND look good on paper. As soon as you label something "Creative Writing," you enter the field of the world's most gifted creative writers. Good prose requires a little more structure. And some editing for clarity. When you create poetry, there are no rules. But a "course" in Creative Writing needs to be well written, first and foremost.. Don't misunderstand -- you have a great model and a beautifully insightful idea. In my opinion, it just needs a little more polish. Proofreading your own work is difficult, especially when you're also working on web design. Perhaps another pair of eyes would help. Or, you could print the text and read it aloud. Also, remember, Alan, that I'm one of the old fogeys who mourns the deterioration of our beautiful written language. For decades, I had problems with "thru," now I have to endure audacities such as "str8" and Prince's "4 U." So please, while you're promoting good creative writing, don't also help promote the virtual decline of literacy! Oh, and keep up the good work! Lou ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:58:50 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Mabel Mercer cover of BSN (VLJC) Hi Bob! Wanted to let you know that I have a lead on a copy of the Mabel Mercer cover of BSN--I'll keep you posted! Stephen (thinking will it have to be onto Jim Nabors next :-D ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:27:46 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: careers (VLJC) you know, i never really could get into tori, in fact her whole image, the whole album that seemed to be focused on her attack & rape. just kind of put me off, i guess. i had the little earthquakes album for a year before i really listened to it. then, she hit me like a ton of bricks. for anyone who has never really listened to her, her lyrics are brilliant! she uses her voice to express emotion so well, it's truly unique. i am a VERY big fan, now, although little earthquakes is still my fav. shes another very powerful performer-totally different from but akin to ani difranco. alison e. np: tori-to venus and back (live is amazing!!!) - ---------- >From: Bounced Message >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: careers (VLJC) >Date: Wed, May 10, 2000, 1:30 PM > >From: "Yael Harlap" >Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:26:54 GMT > >Hello! I can't believe that of all the amazing artists and careers people >have mentioned so far, NO ONE has listed Tori Amos!! I realize her "career" >hasn't been that long, yet, but then again, neither has mine (I'm 25) so I >figure that's ok. > >Tori is my absolute favorite and I have lots and lots of CDs and singles and >all sorts of goodies of hers. Her cover of A Case of You is what got me into >Joni (so yes, I realize I am a recent addition to the Joni fanbase!). So >even though Tori has only put out 5 albums (excluding the horrific big-hair >80's pop album Y Kant Tori Read), she has morphed and changed with every >album, moving from the personal diary of Little Earthquakes to the >impressionistic (as she labeled it) Under the Pink, to the confrontational >and dark Boys For Pele, to the experimental and electronic-influenced From >the Choirgirl Hotel, to the most recent album To Venus and Back. I have a >weakness for her earliest stuff but I love the changes (at least better than >I used to do) - it gets so dull when artists don't allow themselves >fluidity. > >And her concerts are spectacularly intimate - even when she is backed by a >full band. If she ever tours again solo with the piano, run, don't walk, to >the show. > >Cheers, >Yael > >yharlap@channelsinternet.com >yaelha@hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:48:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: music favorites part two Yes the Beatles should have been on my list, their song diversity is astounding. The other top favorite band of mine is Dire Straits. And Mark Knopfler's soundtracks too- anything MK. For those of you who love Jonatha Brooke and Patty Larkin, which record of each do you recommend? Have heard about Patty and saw Jonatha live and loved her songs. Thanks. Kate Bennett Singer/Songwriter email kate@katebennett.com website www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:57:58 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: music favorites part two oh, oh, i'll take this one!!! jonatha brooke-plumb the ultimate breakup album! it's a must have, with some of her most personal and gut wrenching songs. i'd start there. 10¢ wings is also very good. she has a live album, too, just called jonatha brooke live. as far as patty larkin goes, well any album is good. "live in the square" is a good introduction, "tango" is pure patty and has some amazing guitar work (all her albums do, really). i'd start with either of those two. also, some little-heard-of male contemporary folk favorites: ellis paul and richard shindell (of Cry Cry Cry). his new album "somewhere near patterson" is incredible. alison e. - ---------- >From: "Kate Bennett" >To: >Subject: music favorites part two >Date: Wed, May 10, 2000, 2:48 PM > >Yes the Beatles should have been on my list, their song diversity is >astounding. The other top favorite band of mine is Dire Straits. And Mark >Knopfler's soundtracks too- anything MK. > >For those of you who love Jonatha Brooke and Patty Larkin, which record of >each do you recommend? Have heard about Patty and saw Jonatha live and loved >her songs. Thanks. > >Kate Bennett >Singer/Songwriter >email kate@katebennett.com >website www.katebennett.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:33:50 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: careers From: "Kate Bennett" Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:47:27 -0700 Oh if you are talking about careers, I think David Crosby and Neil Young have Amazing Careers, int terms of longevity and vitality. Similar to Joni in that way. NY because he has just never stopped. When my teenager son went to a music festival a few years back, NY was his favorite artist of them all. I think all of the other artists were from the 90s decade, except Neil who apparently blew them all away. David Crosby (who says Joni is the best songwriter of all time and of course he was her first producer) who has gone from the Byrds to CSN & Y, and now has a great new band CPR. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:11:51 -0500 From: "Eric G. Postel" Subject: ISO Simon sorry for use of bandwidth Simon, urgently trying to reach you. Sent an Email but it seemed not to work. Please advise how to reach you. this is time sensitive thanks, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:50:13 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: TNT Tribute - can anyone make a copy? Joniphiles - Is there anyone out there that can spin a copy of the TNT tribute for my off-list friend Jan? If so, please contact her at to make arrangements. Thanks! Les NP: Dylan "Slow Train Coming" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:29:59 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: BSN covered Bob, no problem.... i'll send that Hole song off to you! But don't say i don't warn you!!! >- - whatever would Doris Day think of sharing CD space with Hole! LOL! Hehe, i'm SURE she'd love Hole!! Courtney is soooo sweet and nice (and articulate, and clean- in the literal sense) Just let me know where to send it:-) GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:42:23 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mabel Mercer cover of BSN (VLJC) In a message dated 5/10/00 2:01:48 PM US Central Standard Time, SMEBD@aol.com writes: << Wanted to let you know that I have a lead on a copy of the Mabel Mercer cover of BSN--I'll keep you posted! >> Excellent work, Captain Stephen...now go in for the kill - like they say, a JMDL'er always gets their Cover! :-) Bob NP: Brian Blade, "Evinrude-Fifty (Trembling)" Frickin' excellent! And btw, here's Brian's note to Joni in the liner notes: "To Joni - Here's to Cowboys and Angels on Highway 1 - Shine on your witness. My Love Always" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:38:39 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: The JMDL SIGN Brian wrote: > I think lap-sized signs are probably more appropriate for inside the concert venues. Before the show >starts, if we jmdlers hold up our signs, we will be easily identified to each other. And for those of us >second-row occupants, Joni will also be able to identify us during the show. I have the sense it's going to be a fancy deal at the Greek so signs may not be a good idea in this instance. (Don't want to bring any undue attention to ourselves, ahem, plus we will also be busy holding large boxes of Kleenex ;-) I feel Joni will know we are there - we will be the ones making the most raving and gushing noises ;-) Many of the L.A. show jmdlers either know each other already, or will be meeting at a big party beforehand, but if there are any more out there going to the show who would like to meet up or see our seat locations, please let me know. >I'm not sure what the story is with the first row seats. When the ticket window opened, the first >person to buy was assigned second row seats. Is the first row held out for VIPs? Or left empty? Or >for the press? You are lucky they only take one row there - here it will be one entire front section of them!! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:03:43 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Please Help ! (SJC) In a message dated 5/9/00 2:50:21 AM US Central Standard Time, alorimer@tassie.net.au writes: << Just spend ten minutes or so playing with it and see what you think. >> OK, Alan, I finally got around to it...you did a nice job. Like Harper Lou said, you need to go in and police those grammar and misspelled gremlins, like "throught" instead of "throughout"...but the site was easily navigable. At first I thought "Close This Book" would shut down the site, until I did it and found that it returned you to home. I would suggest changing that to "Home". The lessons all looked to be very interesting - surprising to me that you include nothing from DJRD or Mingus, which are wildly creative... Anyway, I enjoyed seeing your work - you did a nice job! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:00:02 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Creative Writing Project (SJC) Just a few notes on some of the feedback I've received. - - This is just a *concept*. Despite some excellent input and help from fellow JMDL members, there is a serious lack of content for the 'lessons'. - - I've just re-read the lessons and had another serious go at getting all the spelling right. (Just found assignment, portrayal, magdalene, against, journalistic, desperate and internally spelt incorrectly) - - Thanks for all the positive feedback on the graphics and navigation through the site. - - Some of the graphics files are fairly large and take a fair bit of computing power to handle properly. I noticed myself that using FTP to transfer nearly 200 files to a Server on the other side of the world through a modem takes a fair bit of time! Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:03:13 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Covers Project Bob, I've just opened up the box of CDs you sent me and I am blown away by the effort you've put into this! I'm waiting until tomorrow to listen, loudly, to these during the day when my apartment-house neighbors are all at work, but out of curiosity opened up one of the jewel cases to see the actual CD. What a surprise! It was so pretty, I had to look at them all. How did you print directly onto the CD? And I love the painting on Volume I. Who did that? I don't remember mention of it on the list, ever. And to go to the trouble of putting labels even on the skinny side edges, well, I am mightily impressed (a southernism if I remember correctly). :-) So, thank you, very much. This is truly a gift of love. I have a concern though, one that you may already have thought of and that's already been discussed thoroughly with Les or Jim or even on the list (I'm hundreds of messages behind). It's this: the fact that these recordings are NOT FOR SALE isn't written anywhere on the packages or on the CDs. I think it should be, all over the place, maybe as a border on the front insert and especially directly onto the CD itself. Your name is not on them so there's some protection in that, but it doesn't seem like enough. We all know what these CDs are for, a sharing among Joni fans, but my thinking is, Who knows where these may end up 5, 7, whatever years from now? All it would take is one artist rep or lawyer wondering about their client not getting paid for this recording. There are so many artists on these CDs, that's a lot of eyes. Right now we also know there will be only a few hundred copies, but that may make them even more valuable years from now. Didn't something Catgirl record for somebody already end up on e-bay? At least with NOT FOR SALE (beautifully done design-wise, of course :-) all over these CDs, it would be clear no money was meant to be made from these by anyone. I would truly hate to see your generous gift be a cause of trouble for you or anyone else later down the road. Let me know what you think, privately if you wish, and if you need help redoing and remailing inserts to everyone that's already received these, I'm willing (now, you know I'm really serious in my concern about this). And if you've figured all this out already or there's no need to be concerned about this for reasons I'm not aware of, I'm curious about that too. And tomorrow, I get to listen to all this great music! Thank you thank you thank you. I'll let you know my favorites. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:16:30 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: careers (VLJC) > you know, i never really could get into tori, in fact her whole image, the > whole album that seemed to be focused on her attack & rape. just kind of put > me off, i guess. i had the little earthquakes album for a year before i > really listened to it. then, she hit me like a ton of bricks. for anyone who > has never really listened to her, her lyrics are brilliant! she uses her > voice to express emotion so well, it's truly unique. i am a VERY big fan, > now, although little earthquakes is still my fav. shes another very powerful > performer-totally different from but akin to ani difranco. Somebody gave me a tape that had some of Tori's music on it. Some of the songs were 'God', 'Past the Mission', 'Cornflake Girl' and one that starts out 'Wake up, Mr. Microphone.' I thought she was interesting, nice voice & piano playing but I couldn't figure out what the hell the lyrics were supposed to be about most of the time. I do think 'God' is a hoot. I love the lines 'God sometimes you just don't come through/Do you need a woman to look after you?' Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:57:33 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Wynonna loves Joni My apologies if this has been mentioned already. I've been necessarily using my delete key a lot lately. A friend of mine who was actually with me when I met Joni the first time called me last night. My friend happens to be into country music. I love her anyway. She said she was watching a Wynonna Judd Special on TV recently and Wynonna sang a couple of Joni's songs and during the intro went on and on about how wonderful Joni Mitchell was and how she loved her. Did anyone else see this? Any closet country music fans out there on the list? ; - ) My friend said she thought of me immediately, and the day I met Joni. She went to work the next day and told her co-workers about it and was all teary eyed, as she had been that day. Aaaah, friends... memories....and more to come... Phyliss, looking forward to Friday in L.A. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:20:58 -0400 From: jw1327@rcn.com Subject: Re: Mabel Mercer's version of "BSN" There seems to be some discussion on the list re Mabel Merser's version of the song "Both Sides Now"- I am fortunate enough to have the LP on which it appears:" Mabel Mercer and Bobby Short- Second Town Hall Concert," Atlantic SD2-605 (the LP), released 1969. I was introduced to Mabel Mercer's work by my late partner Vance, a very kind, sweet, urbane, and intelligent man who changed my life for the better in so many ways- we were together fo 14 very short years when he passed away in 1996. I always think of those precious evenings with Vance, listening to music-often over martinis-comparing and contrasting. Although I didn't introduce Joni's music to Vance I think I helped him appreciate it more. In fact on of the last cd's he purchased befpre his death was "Turbulent Indigo," which he thought was excellent. I can never listen to Mabel Mercer's poignant rendition of "Both Sides Now" without remembering Vance- her take on the song captures, almost pefectly, that whole experience for me. Even Joni once said in an interview (A&E thing a few years back I think) that she felt Mabel Mercer's version was the best she'd ever heard. I agree! Although Joni's latest version is stunning as well- totally floored me-brought tears to my eyes. Anyway- I would encourage everyone to try to obtain a copy of the Mercer version, if it's available- I haven't looked for it on CD- maybe it's out there- I think I just found a project for myself this weekend! Cheers! And sorry for the length of the post- I do tend to ramble! James ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:20:35 EDT From: BMBSPIRIT@cs.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #245 It's midnight, Wednesday in NYC and I just got home. I enjoy reading the web page and checking my e-mail. There are interesting people and opinions as well as a wide degree of musical taste. I would like to hear from this eclectic group their opinion of Dave Matthews , either with band or acoustically with Tim Reynolds. I am a huge fan and would like to find out why he is not given the praise I think he deserves. If you don't like him please don't say it's because 90% of his fans are 16 year olds that have no idea what good music is. I wait to defend. Bernie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:00:38 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Deep Dreaming Bern wrote: >Ann, I think this is one of your best yet. There is some very powerful, >albeit sinister imagery; rather reminds me of Sylvia Plath in places. Glad >you broke your cardinal rule and shared it with us before you had a chance to >edit it down. I think it's brilliant. I agree totally - don't change a thing! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 01:17:01 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: How Do You Stop Redux Ok, I'll try this again. Does anyone know why Joni chose How Do You Stop for TI? Does she know the writers? How did she find the song? Was it brought to her? As for the writers, who are they and what else have they done? Seems funny that with all these Joni freaks on the list that no one would know the answer to my question. I mean, here's an artist who so rarely uses other people's material on her albums, so it would seem that there should be good stories about why she chose to use other people's songs. I can't believe there is not someone on this list who has some idea of why she chose this song. Or that no one else who has thought about it. Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:35:03 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: From TimeOut.Com From TimeOut.Com Los Angeles Music: Roots Joni Mitchell Sixties icon Joni Mitchell tours in support of her new album 'Both Sides Now'. This album sees her take a completely different direction from 1998's 'Taming the Tiger'. Here she sings romantic cover songs like 'You're My Thrill' and 'I Wish I were in Love Again'. She was recently the subject of a TV special, where Elton John, Diana Krall, kd lang, Shawn Colvin, Wynonna Judd, Chaka Khan, Richard Thompson and Cassandra Wilson all performed in tribute to her. So perhaps some of her celebrity friends may take the stage with her tonight. May 12, 8pm, Greek Theatre, 2700 North Vermont Avenue (1 213 480 7575). and.... From TimeOut.Com New York Music: Rock Joni Mitchell No Woodstock veteran is more deserving of his or her torrents of accolades than Joni Mitchell. Always a restless innovator blasting elegantly away at the walls separating folk, pop and jazz, the Canadian chanteuse was so ahead of her time that a new generation is only just getting wise to her - witness the inspiration of Janet Jackson's 'Don't Know What You've Got Till It's Gone.' Mitchell's 23 albums mark a truly unique and original oeuvre that served to inspire generations of women in folk, jazz and everywhere in between. Through it all she has remained unassuming and unaffected, allowing the music to speak for itself. May 22-23, 8pm, Madison Square Garden - The Theater, Seventh Avenue between 32nd and 33rd Streets (1 212 465 6741). ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #180 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at ------- Siquomb, isn't she?