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Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- late BSN thoughts and the orchestra album (long) [David Wright ] The next album ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: advice? ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: late BSN thoughts and the orchestra album (long) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] BSN thoughts and the orchestra album (short) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: The next album [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: The next album ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re:Tape trees? [Chorando6@aol.com] Re: The next album [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Doris Day Found [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Urge for controversy [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Re:Tape trees? [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: advice? ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: advice? ["cassy" ] Re: advice? [Mark Domyancich ] Re: TNT Tribute - late as usual - and a request [Gellerray@aol.com] Re: Joni Mitchell 8Track [Randy Remote ] SARA'S BF's INTRODUCTION [dave fairall / beth miller ] Re: Joni 8Track oops [Randy Remote ] Subject: advice? ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Brian Blade's "Perceptual" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Tape trees? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Fwd: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 [BMBSPIRIT@cs.com] Joni on drugs ["Garret" ] I get to see Joni in MD FREE! Thanks, WAMU [Janet Hess ] Re: Joni 8Track oops [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] Re: Joni on drugs [Relayer211@aol.com] Ticket to May 12 in L.A. [Don Sloan ] Re: Joni on drugs [Richard Goldman ] Re: Joni on drugs [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Joni things and access [MGVal@aol.com] RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 ["Wally Kairuz" ] Joni tickets for sale MSG 5/23 ["Rob and Stef Librizzi" ] Re: late BSN thoughts and the orchestra album [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] My first post [Bounced Message ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 03:53:07 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: late BSN thoughts and the orchestra album (long) Hello all, I just got to hear BSN for the first time recently. I didn't have access to getting it for a while (the only CD store in Oberlin went out of business last year!) but I read all the posts when it came out with great interest and anticipation. So though the discussion has died down about it I'm writing in with my thoughts after the first few listens. First off: Larry Klein's introduction is kind of embarrassing, I think. Do we really need the "programmatic" nature of the song order pointed out to us, as if we couldn't figure it out for ourselves? And the stuff about "optimistic consummation, metamorphosing into disillusionment, ironic despair, and finally resolving in the philosophical overview of acceptance" is pretentious and clumsily phrased. And there's something odd about the phrase "a modern romantic relationship" (and similarly "the nature of modern love"). Does this imply that pre-modern romantic relationships were different in nature -- less "highly evolved" than our modern romantic relationships or something? They may well have been, but since these songs don't address how, or what in our society has caused the change, the word seems out of place. In general, I think Joni's singing is really impressive. I love her lower register. She also gets a great effect on higher notes (as in "Comes Love" - -- "DON'T try HIIII-din'"). She does have one vocal mannerism that I find grating: that thin, hard-edged vibrato at the end of (some) words/phrases. I don't know if this is a result of her aging/smoking or a conscious emotional device (she doesn't always do it -- "You're My Thrill" is where I notice it most), or perhaps a combination of both. My favorite tracks so far (not counting Joni's originals for the moment) are "At Last," "You've Changed," and especially "I Wish I Were in Love Again." "At Last" is a beautiful song and the piano triplets are a really nice touch. "You've Changed" -- despite having some of my least-favorite orchestration on the album (the swells on the words "you've changed," that maudlin violin solo) -- is a great song, I think, and Joni's singing is particularly fine. I really like everything about "I Wish I Were in Love Again" (even if I can't quite figure out where the performing seals fit in). "I'd rather be punch drunk" is a great line. I love how the song kind of satirizes its own witty, debonair civilizedness -- doesn't take itself too seriously. Joni's singing and the orchestration have a nice lightness. I like Joni's moody, atmospheric (almost trip-hoppy, as someone said) recent live versions of "Comes Love" better than the straight-up version here. I think the orchestral setting just shows up that it's not a very good song. (Neither are "Answer Me, My Love" and "Sometimes I'm Happy," in my opinion.) As for the two Joni songs: I should mention that I'm not too familiar with and don't really respond to the old standards repertoire -- if the BSN album doesn't overwhelm me, this is why. To me, the new version of "A Case of You" in the context of these other songs underlines just how truly original her songwriting came to be as her mature writing voice developed -- the flowing, conversational style and rhythms, the relationship between rhythm and words and music, and the "confessional" emotional directness of the words -- and what a break with earlier song forms it marked. I don't think it fits in stylistically with the other songs (even with "Both Sides Now"), even if it does thematically. And in terms of her singing, as awed as I am by it, I don't think she betters the version on _Blue_. This is not so much to compare her voice then to her voice now, but rather a testimony to how commanding her phrasing and the emotional nuances of her voice were even back then, and what a stunning performance the original ACOY is. I hesitate to say it, but there is something really disconcerting to me, that I don't like, about hearing those familiar dulcimer chords orchestrated at the beginning of ACOY (following the string introduction). I think I hadn't realized how deeply every note of the song on Blue is seared into me -- I felt almost defensive, almost violated by this dislocation, which surprised me. I've been trying to figure out what exactly bothers me about it and I can't put my finger on it. The closest I can come is, it sounds like something from a bad sentimental movie score, but the effect is disturbing in a way beyond that. Whatever it is, it could potentially be a very bad omen for the forthcoming orchestral-remakes album -- more on which below. ACOY seems to me so personal, so especially tied to a certain era of Joni's life (and the other songs on the Blue album also), and seems drawn -- almost wrenched -- not from generalized experience (as is BSN) but from a *specific* experience and circumstances, even if the emotions are universal. (It strikes me that her great "confessional" songs have a duality to them in that they're not just describing emotions, but on another level they're often also about her awareness of and her examining those emotions -- certainly on _Hejira_, for instance. It may be that what really makes her best songs universal is less the emotions per se than the self-knowledge and self-discovery involved.) So it sounds odd to hear her sing it now, when she is obviously at not at the same point in her life as when she first wrote/sang it, and (furthermore) we have heard the journey she took to get to this point because her art traces her life so profoundly. (The element of self-discovery in the first version of ACOY, which may be what makes it so great, is necessarily missing now, since she already discovered it. For that reason, maybe I don't buy that ACOY could fully apply to a certain phase of any/all relationships, the way the other songs on BSN do.) In a sense BSN may be more "universal" than ACOY in that it works better in this conceptual setting and at this point in Joni's life -- but, perhaps paradoxically, that points up why ACOY is a greater song. The new version of ACOY is not completely successful for me (I also don't like the drums), yet it reminds me that ACOY has to be one of Joni's all-time greatest achievements. Like I said, I hadn't fully realized how deeply that song moves me. BSN, I think, survives the updating better. I think it is more truly reinvented and given new meaning in this setting than ACOY (perhaps partly because it's more stylized and philosophical to begin with) and the performance is moving and resonant. This is by far the highlight of the album for me. I'm thinking, since it appears that the album of orchestrated versions of some old Joni is really happening, about which Joni songs I think could effectively be orchestrated, and how. (I'm taking an orchestration class this year and have been writing two orchestra pieces lately, so it's especially interesting to wonder about this.) I am not moved by the sort of swoony romantic over-the-top orchestration on BSN -- but it's obviously a deliberate choice and seems skillfully done for what it is, I guess. I just hope the orchestration is done differently on the next album -- I hope Joni takes a hand in it herself. As noted above with ACOY -- I don't think that the songs that I consider Joni's best songs are necessarily the most suitable for orchestration or the ones I'd most want to hear orchestrated. I don't think bigger necessarily equals better; I don't think that a lush orchestral treatment will "dignify" her songs, that an orchestra is more befitting or "sophisticated" than a guitar or a piano (surely there's an element of musical elitism involved here? but why else orchestrate them?). In one way I think some of _Hejira_'s songs would be beautiful in a orchestral setting -- particularly the luminous chord changes of "Amelia" and "Hejira" could be amazing -- but I think there could be some real problems with that. For one thing, the guitar (its rhythms, its sound, its tunings, its fundamental role in the creation of the album) is such a part of that album and those songs that I think its absence would deeply affect them. And I don't know if an orchestra could get the rhythms, the jazz element. And, like I said, a lot of the songs from Blue and Hejira and DJRD are so personal that I don't know if they would work. Certain songs on HOSL would work especially well, I think -- Shades of Scarlett Conquering, perhaps The Boho Dance. Shadows and Light could be just stunning if the orchestra was used somewhat unconventionally. Some early songs could work very well, I think, like The Dawntreader. I think Trouble Child (from C&S) could be interesting. And some of the songs from TI (maybe Sunny Sunday) and TTT would work well because texture is such an important part of her songwriting now (musically and lyrically) and that could be developed orchestrationally. I may think of some more. I'd be interested in comments about these choices. All for now, - --David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 11:05:58 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: advice? Sara joining_joni@hotmail.com wrote >My boyfriend has never really heard Joni before, >and he says that he would like to listen to her and >see what the big deal is and why I love her so much.. . >which one(s) do I let him borrow? 'Blue'. If he doesn't well up and start saying things like "Sara, you bring out the best in me" or "My frying pan's too wide", then dump him! Just kidding PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:08:17 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: The next album Hello all I was just thinking about the next album... I was thinking that maybe Joan would do something from Mingus, say, Sweet Sucker Dance or Chair In The Sky.... with THE MINGUS BIG BAND?!?! as opposed to the LSO? Just wondering.... Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:03:13 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: advice? Hello Sara Welcome to the list. Perhaps something more masculine would suit his tastes. Joni's Hejira is actually a cool album to start with, a lot of blokes like it (those that can't stand the warbly end of her singing). And Don Juan's is just pure no sh*t ebullience. However, having said that, maybe Blue is the best place to start as it is 100% naked emotion and that is impressive in itself! Have fun anyway Jamie in London > Hi everyone~ > My boyfriend has never really heard Joni before, and he says that he > would like to listen to her and see what the big deal is and why I love her > so much. So, he asked to borrow one of my Joni cd's. The only thing is . . > . . which one(s) do I let him borrow? ALL of Joni's albums are so amazing! > So I was just wondering if you all could give me an idea on what Joni cd you > think I should start him out on . . . .? Thanks! > > Sara > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 07:28:30 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: late BSN thoughts and the orchestra album (long) In a message dated 5/7/00 3:54:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, David.Wright@oberlin.edu writes: << I didn't have access to getting it for a while (the only CD store in Oberlin went out of business last year!) but I read all the posts when it came out with great interest and anticipation. >> Is that Oberlin, Neptune? ;>) Seriously, since you're in Iowa, there is a way to fashion blank CDs from corn silk. Check the Boy Scout Manual, project 35 on Page 57. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 07:36:59 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: BSN thoughts and the orchestra album (short) Folks, I know that it has been widely discussed here that one of the main reasons wev think Joni made the new BSN album was to reclaim her song, at least in he public's eye, and I suppose it fits in to the sequence of romantic songs she assembled, but it seems to me that "The Last Time I Saw Richard" would have been a perfect selection to cap the sequence as well. Paul I "All romantics meet the same fate, cynical and drunk and boring someone in some dark cafe" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 07:41:31 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: The next album In a message dated 5/7/00 7:08:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jamiezoob@freeuk.com writes: << I was just thinking about the next album... I was thinking that maybe Joan would do something from Mingus, say, Sweet Sucker Dance or Chair In The Sky.... with THE MINGUS BIG BAND?!?! as opposed to the LSO? Just wondering.... Jamie Zoob >> If she wanted to be an idiot and make an album that was sure to lose money, she might take your advice. Twenty years later, the CD-buying public is still not ready for some white Canadian chick to try to sing jazz, especially when there are others like Cassandra Wilson around. I'm not saying I wouldn't like it, and I'm not saying Joni's effort would be second-rate. I'm saying it STILL would not sell. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:49:10 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: The next album Knowing Joan she would probably do just that, and to hell with sales! When has she ever cared about the record buying public? She does what she wants. It will be a great album IMHO. :-) Jamie Z > In a message dated 5/7/00 7:08:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > jamiezoob@freeuk.com writes: > > << I was just thinking about the next album... I was thinking that maybe Joan > would do something from Mingus, say, Sweet Sucker Dance or Chair In The > Sky.... with THE MINGUS BIG BAND?!?! as opposed to the LSO? > > Just wondering.... > > Jamie Zoob > >> > If she wanted to be an idiot and make an album that was sure to lose money, > she might take your advice. Twenty years later, the CD-buying public is > still not ready for some white Canadian chick to try to sing jazz, especially > when there are others like Cassandra Wilson around. > I'm not saying I wouldn't like it, and I'm not saying Joni's effort would be > second-rate. I'm saying it STILL would not sell. > > Paul I > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 08:03:37 EDT From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Re:Tape trees? Dear all, I am new to the list and find myself salivating every time i catch a glimpse of the words tape tree. I don't know why but in my fantasies it is a tape exchange system worked by devoted joni-ites. Am I wrong? Am I right? Could someone explain, and would Linda lewis singing Woman of heart and mind count as cheese? Love to you all Clive ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 09:23:17 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: The next album In a message dated 5/7/00 7:50:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jamiezoob@freeuk.com writes: << Knowing Joan she would probably do just that, and to hell with sales! When has she ever cared about the record buying public? She does what she wants. It will be a great album IMHO. :-) Jamie Z >> She may be experimental and ahead of her time, but she is not a fool. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 14:30:10 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Doris Day Found Captn Bob called out ...paging Leonard Nimoy! :-D > Leonard Nimoy's version of BSN is really beautiful. I had not realised it untill lately but BSN seems to have became a sort of anthem for the older person. Keep on rockin in the free world. I just felt like saying that. Philip NP Lambchop - Nixon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 14:32:04 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Urge for controversy Deb Messling wrote > At a 1967 performance available on one of the early tape trees, Joni said > she BSN was three days old, so it certainly wasn't among the first 10 songs > she wrote. Maybe she meant it was among the first ten she wrote that made > it to record. Possibly she has psychically disowned the songs that she > never recorded. > Yes it's curious how the details catch her out. She's obviously forgetting that there is a bunch of people sitting at computer screens who can cross reference every statement that she has uttered in public over the past 35 years. Didn't someone with a connection to 4AD records write in with a theory a few weeks ago ? And why was Urge not included in the first songbook along with all those other strange ones ? I don't know what it all means but something dosen't add up. Philip - scratching his head, like Colombo. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 14:40:45 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Re:Tape trees? wrote Linda lewis singing Woman of heart and mind count > as cheese? > > Clive welcome. That's amazing. I checked my 2 Linda Lewis albums a few weeks ago because I felt sure she would have covered a Joni song and was kind of surprised not to find one. Mystery solved. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 11:12:28 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: advice? Hi, Sara. I'm a little late jumpin' in on this one, and the albums I would have suggested to you have already been mentioned. Still, I'd like to add my votes for Blue and Hejira, maybe as a one-two punch (make sure he hears Blue first). Both albums feature stripped-down arrangements (Joni's electric guitar on Hejira; her acoustic guitar, piano, or dulcimer on Blue) which allow for an appreciation of her musicianship...alongside tasteful, minimal backing...and both contain some of Joni's most inspired, most personal songs...which allow for an appreciation of her personality, her concerns, her honesty and sensitivity, and her eloquence in expressing herself. I, too, think Court And Spark and Miles Of Aisles are fantastic albums, and need to be heard at some point by your boyfriend, but, to me, they are best appreciated after having first acquired some familiarity with Joni in a more intimate setting. Both feature the backing of Tom Scott's L.A. Express...horns, electric keyboards, lead guitar, etc. They're excellent, to be sure, but Joni's awesome ability to accompany herself is disguised somewhat in this larger band context. I just heard The Hissing Of Summer Lawns demos for the first time, and many of the demos had me feeling the same way. I have *always* loved the album versions (Hissing is in my personal top ten of Joni's albums), but hearing them stripped of all the additional instruments (a la "Harry's House," "Edith And The Kingpin," etc.) fills you with wonder at Joni's ability to fully render these songs on her own. Almost all of the parts played by other musicians on the album are either present, or suggested, in Joni's own piano or guitar accompaniment. Whichever albums you end up choosing, though, he'll love 'em. "Boston Jim" NP: Wynton Marsalis, Live At The Village Vanguard, "Uptown Ruler" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 11:23:22 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: advice? Hi Sara, The only advice I will add to the mix is that whatever CD you select for him to hear for the first time, let him read the lyrics along with the music as it plays. If he is at all literary, he will appreciate the poet in Joni... Personally when I first read your post I thought "Court and Spark" but the more thought I gave it the more I felt that "Dog Eat Dog" was a better choice (agreeing with Penny on this one) it seems to speak to the rebel in me. Cassy N.P. Marc Cohn "Burning The Daze" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 10:34:14 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: advice? My choice would be Court and Spark since that was the one that got me into Joni. But I couldn't go with just one. I'd add Hejira and TI. Don't be surprised if he doesn't like her. Not everyone does and it's kinda cool to be the only one who likes her in a 500 mi radius. It's like a secret society! :D NP-Guinnevere (did anybody see Neil last night? Really amazing. I'm getting the CD asap) At 9:16 PM -0400 5/6/00, Sara * wrote: >Hi everyone~ > My boyfriend has never really heard Joni before, and he says that >he would like to listen to her and see what the big deal is and why >I love her so much. So, he asked to borrow one of my Joni cd's. >The only thing is . . . . which one(s) do I let him borrow? ALL of >Joni's albums are so amazing! So I was just wondering if you all >could give me an idea on what Joni cd you think I should start him >out on . . . .? Thanks! - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:47:45 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: TNT Tribute - late as usual - and a request In a message dated 5/6/00 2:16:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << On an unrelated note, I'm going to ask for your good thoughts & prayers for my mother. She recently had a lump removed from her breast that is cancerous. They seem to have caught it fairly early and the prognosis is good. The cancer had not radiated at the site. Next Wednesday she will have lymph nodes from her armpit examined to see if there is anything there. Please send a positive thought her way if you think about it. She is 77 years old and my father is pretty much dependent on her these days. She will be having radiation somewhere down the line. >> You do indeed have many thoughts positive coming to you and your mother from me Mark. Much good luck to your entire family (my mother and father are both 77 years old by the way, and I just made a plane reservation yesterday to visit them in Illinois on the weekend of the 19th; my mother's health is especially precarious though she's a game, fightin' gal, and puts me to shame with her discipline and industriousness. I return on the day Joni plays here at the Garden and of course I will be attending!). Bye bye and godbless raymond ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 10:31:40 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell 8Track "The Best of Joni Mitchell" was released in Austrailia; in LP form that is...this is the first I have heard of an 8 track version, but I would bet it's also from down under. I have never heard of an 8 track bootleg, although there were 8 track home machines that recorded as well as played, so someone could have copied the record and slapped on a homemade label. But if the label is printed, I think that this is highly unlikely. Licensing agreements vary from country to country, which explains this release only being available in Oz. You have a real rarity, not neccesarily valuble, but a cool thing to have and enjoy. The '68 Tbird sounds cool, too....(and a good match for that early era Joni). RR AngelinoCoyote@aol.com wrote: > > Hello Everyone: > > We collect old cars and have one, a '68 TBird, with a very good factory > 8track player. Always on the lookout for JM 8tracks, I only have one - a > fragile (read:bad) CAS, I just received from an eBay sale, an 8Track Tape > titled Best of Joni Mitchell. It contains: > > Michael From The Mountains (STAS) > Night In the City (STAS) > Marcie (STAS) > Nathan La Franeer (STAS) > Sisotowbell Lane (STAS) > Cactus Tree (STAS) > Both Sides, Now (C) > The Gallery (C) > I Don't Know Where I Stand (C) > Tin Angel (C) > That Song About the Midway (C) > Songs to Aging Children Come (C) > > It's an odd one. Covered in silver paper, very plain. No artwork, just > words. No date anywhere but is under the label Athena with an Atlanta > address. There is this little disclaimer: Notices of intention to use > copyrighted material filed where necessary. All required statutory royalties > paid by Omega Sales, Inc. > > I knew JM always (before Hits/Misses) said a greatest hits album would be the > kiss of death for her catalogue. So, I know she had nothing to do with this. > How could such a product be made? Think she got paid? Is it illegal? BTW, > the sound quality is very good (for an 8Track). Also, BTW, I paid $5 (the > most I have ever payed for any 8Track) and was the only bidder, I believe. > > No regrets, > > Coyote > Casa Alegre > Hollywood, California > > I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 13:54:00 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: SARA'S BF's INTRODUCTION Paul's advice to Sara: << << Having said that, I'd suggest that Court and Spark, being her most popular album among the mainstream public, would most likely be the best one for his introduction to Joni. >> and Bob adds: and then,,,,Rick chimed in... > Hi Bob! Who has to skip a meal--I'll simply make fondue with all the leftover cheese! :-D All the best, Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:51:50 EDT From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Brian Blade's "Perceptual" Hello everyone, I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere...but I'm having the usual hard time catching up with the posts.... The new Brian Blade RUUUUULES! The whole album is a dynamic modern jazz pasterpiece. I play it constantly...and the more I do the more it grows on me and finds new color and niches to form and fill....and the Joni track takes me back to the magic of Paprika Plains and her long, haunting, sonorous phrasings. Brian has created a *perfect* song for or beloved Joni to grace with her vocals. I highly recomend this album to anyone of the Jazz or Joni persuasion. Just thought y'all should know. Take care, Julian Julian's Galleries at: <> Look for "Traveling in Some Vehicle..." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:59:13 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Message from a Cheesehead (again) In a message dated 05/06/2000 1:19:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, myrtlmoo@ticon.net writes: << Hey, here in Wisconsin we take our cheese seriously and Doris Day doesn't qualify! I've had a crush on her all my life and I think she's a very underrated singer! Okay, maybe singing BSN wasn't the greatest choice. Her voice is much more suited to 40's music.....Anyway, you cheddar not pick on such a gouda singer. >> Doris Day indeed was a wonderful band singer, and I have a couple of her CD's--it's just compared to all the "hip" singers that Bob and his band of "cover getters" have come up with, I think she may be considered cheese by many. Have a listen and let me know if I should get out the fondue pot or not. :-) Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 11:02:59 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni 8Track oops Boy was I off on this one. I should have looked at my record rack FIRST. I had this one mixed up with "The World of Joni Mitchell", an LP released in New Zealand not Australia. The track listing is different, with some of the same songs, and some from Blue as well. And it is on Reprise. Your tape remains a mystery. That it is on Atlantic is strange, because she has never been signed to them. It's still possible that it was produced outside of the US via some licensing agreement. Did the seller have a foreign address? RR PS your Tbird is still cool Hello Everyone: We collect old cars and have one, a '68 TBird, with a very good factory 8track player. Always on the lookout for JM 8tracks, I only have one - a fragile (read:bad) CAS, I just received from an eBay sale, an 8Track Tape titled Best of Joni Mitchell. It contains: Michael From The Mountains (STAS) Night In the City (STAS) Marcie (STAS) Nathan La Franeer (STAS) Sisotowbell Lane (STAS) Cactus Tree (STAS) Both Sides, Now (C) The Gallery (C) I Don't Know Where I Stand (C) Tin Angel (C) That Song About the Midway (C) Songs to Aging Children Come (C) It's an odd one. Covered in silver paper, very plain. No artwork, just words. No date anywhere but is under the label Athena with an Atlanta address. There is this little disclaimer: Notices of intention to use copyrighted material filed where necessary. All required statutory royalties paid by Omega Sales, Inc. I knew JM always (before Hits/Misses) said a greatest hits album would be the kiss of death for her catalogue. So, I know she had nothing to do with this. How could such a product be made? Think she got paid? Is it illegal? BTW, the sound quality is very good (for an 8Track). Also, BTW, I paid $5 (the most I have ever payed for any 8Track) and was the only bidder, I believe. No regrets, Coyote Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 11:09:15 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni 8Track oops Oops again, you didn't say that. I'll shut up now.... Randy Remote wrote: That it is on Atlantic is > strange, because she has never been signed to them. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 11:11:48 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: advice? Sara, How about Blue? My young neice became a Joni fan by way of this album. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 15:19:10 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Brian Blade's "Perceptual" In a message dated 5/7/00 11:54:07 AM US Central Standard Time, Julian51469@aol.com writes: << Brian has created a *perfect* song for or beloved Joni to grace with her vocals. I highly recomend this album to anyone of the Jazz or Joni persuasion. >> Yes indeed, Julian - I bought mine last week but it was cracked in the case, so I got my replacement yesterday - this record is a gem from head to toe! Bob NP: Carole King, "You've Got A Friend" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 15:24:29 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tape trees? In a message dated 5/7/00 6:06:01 AM US Central Standard Time, Chorando6@aol.com writes: << I am new to the list and find myself salivating every time i catch a glimpse of the words tape tree. I don't know why but in my fantasies it is a tape exchange system worked by devoted joni-ites. Am I wrong? Am I right? Could someone explain, >> Hi Clive, and a big South Carolina welcome on this Sunny Sunday! Les' updated JMDL website has some good detail about the Tape Trees, how they work and a general overview of what's on them. Go to jmdl.com, do your homework, and then let me know which ones you'd like. Thanks to THE Mr. Brian Gross, I have them all and am glad to share... <> Maybe so, maybe no, but you have to send me a copy so I can see for myself! ;-) Bob NP: Carole King, "Will You Love Me Tomorrow?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 15:44:08 EDT From: BMBSPIRIT@cs.com Subject: Fwd: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 - --part1_35.4dac486.26472188_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A bit discourteous IVPAUL, not that I care. Was it because I wasn't a woman, you seem to reply to them in a kind manner. BMB - --part1_35.4dac486.26472188_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Full-name: IVPAUL42 Message-ID: <35.4c2ab17.26439f36@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:51:18 EDT Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 To: BMBSPIRIT@cs.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 In a message dated 5/4/00 11:31:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BMBSPIRIT@cs.com writes: << Hope I didn't bore you. Bernie >> Thanks, but yes, you did. None of this is new info for us and has been discussed numerous times. - --part1_35.4dac486.26472188_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:01:12 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Joni on drugs I was just having a chat with friends about the mind altering effects of certain drugs, and the way that an altered state of consciousness can be brought about. and one of them mentioned Joni and hejira ( apart from my waffles i didn't even think she knew who Joni was, let alone anything about the Hejira album). i've read about Joni and drugs before, but to be honest ican't remember what it said or where it was. can anyone fill me in? was Joni on drugs? when? what drugs? were any of her albums the result of this? and then there's Patti Smith. did she do drugs? someone out there must know. i only recently came upon the music of Patti Smith and i think shes great. her voice is amazing. i have the horses album, and Gung Ho. my friend thinks that she sounds liek she has an altered state of consciousness- idon't know though, can someone please enlighten me about these two women GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 16:08:38 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: I get to see Joni in MD FREE! Thanks, WAMU So help me, I get to see the BSN tour despite the fact that I'm broke and I'm on disability and I have no job and the sky is falling! I just won two tickets courtesy of WAMU, one of the world's best public radio stations. Granted, I based my entire weekend around trying to win BSN tickets. I even found the idjit instruction book for my telephone, did research til I sussed out the number for the contest line, programmed it in memory dial, and explained to the universe that my winning would be A Good Thing for all concerned. I'd resigned myself to not seeing her this time around; because I saw her in College Park, it didn't quite break my heart as badly as it might have. MY DIMPLES ACHE!!! Oh, Joni, please don't forget to show up, ok? - --- Let all these dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kennelled in me. Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 14:52:14 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: I get to see Joni in MD FREE! Thanks, WAMU > So help me, I get to see the BSN tour despite the fact that I'm broke and > I'm on disability and I have no job and the sky is falling! I just won two > tickets courtesy of WAMU, one of the world's best public radio stations. Congratulations, Janet! That's truly awesome! My friend Melanie called me this afternoon (giving me a much needed break from mowing our rather overgrown lawn) to tell me she had heard 'Comes Love' on two or three occasions on Seattle's jazz station KPLU. Apparently legit jazz radio is finally sitting up & taking notice of Joni! WOO HOO!! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:10:22 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni on drugs Whether some of her songs Joni wrote while she was on something is up in the air, but Simon and Jamie got into a fit about Song For Sharon. I think Jamie said that Joni wrote it while she was on coccaine but Simon said heroin. IMO, I think the bulk of Hejira was on something. And how can we forget Clark's tale of him and Joni smoking weed? :-D NP-Neil Young, Silver and Gold-Distant Camera At 9:01 PM +0100 5/7/00, Garret wrote: >I was just having a chat with friends about the mind altering effects of >certain drugs, and the way that an altered state of consciousness can be >brought about. and one of them mentioned Joni and hejira ( apart from my >waffles i didn't even think she knew who Joni was, let alone anything about >the Hejira album). >i've read about Joni and drugs before, but to be honest ican't remember what >it said or where it was. can anyone fill me in? was Joni on drugs? when? >what drugs? were any of her albums the result of this? - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 18:40:45 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni 8Track oops In a message dated 5/7/00 11:01:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << Your tape remains a mystery. That it is on Atlantic is strange, because she has never been signed to them. It's still possible that it was produced outside of the US via some licensing agreement. Did the seller have a foreign address? >> Hi Randy: Nope. They are the *Smiths* from Stuart, Virginia. They said in an email they got it in a local thrift shop. Maybe the Smith moniker is just a cover-up for tape pirates. Oh, BTW, the label is Athena with an Atlanta address (is that an Atlantic subsidiary or something)? There's no way it's homemade, the label is too professional-looking, definitely mass produced. So, it's a mystery tape. Thanks for the comment about the car - it's a big old Fourdoor (Ford word) as in suicide doors with a 429! Triple black, all original. Thanks for the help on the mystery tape. No regrets (except selling all my old, yet pristine JM 8tracks in a garage sale in '83), Coyote Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 18:55:34 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on drugs In a message dated 5/7/00 3:54:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sprout@eircom.net writes: << 've read about Joni and drugs before, but to be honest ican't remember what it said or where it was. can anyone fill me in? was Joni on drugs? when? what drugs? were any of her albums the result of this? >> I have read interviews where Joni has said she has tried every drug,(and liked every drug),except for heroin,which she never tried. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 16:00:31 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: Ticket to May 12 in L.A. I *MAY* have an extra ticket to the May 12 concert at the Greek in L.A. I probably won't be sure of it's status for a couple days. I know that is cutting it close, but if anyone out there has an interest, email me off list. Sec B, Row N, Seat 121 or 123 $68.50 + misc = $79.35 Having never been to the Greek, I can't say how good this seat is. If you want to check the seating chart, go here: http://www.ticketfinder.com/seats/california/se00056.html Thanks, Don ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:35:27 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Joni on drugs NO NO NO! Mark! Please! Somone? retell Clark's tale of him and Joni smoking weed? :D Please!??!?! ===== >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:10:22 -0500 >From: Mark Domyancich >Subject: Re: Joni on drugs > >Whether some of her songs Joni wrote while she was on something is up >in the air, but Simon and Jamie got into a fit about Song For Sharon. >I think Jamie said that Joni wrote it while she was on coccaine but >Simon said heroin. IMO, I think the bulk of Hejira was on something. > >And how can we forget Clark's tale of him and Joni smoking weed? :-D > >NP-Neil Young, Silver and Gold-Distant Camera > >At 9:01 PM +0100 5/7/00, Garret wrote: >>I was just having a chat with friends about the mind altering effects of >>certain drugs, and the way that an altered state of consciousness can be >>brought about. and one of them mentioned Joni and hejira ( apart from my >>waffles i didn't even think she knew who Joni was, let alone anything about >>the Hejira album). >>i've read about Joni and drugs before, but to be honest ican't remember what >>it said or where it was. can anyone fill me in? was Joni on drugs? when? >>what drugs? were any of her albums the result of this? > >- -- >Mark Domyancich >Harpua@revealed.net >Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ====================================== +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Richard Goldman richard2sf@earthlink.net http://www.home.earthlink.net/~richard2sf/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:43:05 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on drugs In a message dated 5/7/00 6:11:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << Whether some of her songs Joni wrote while she was on something is up in the air, but Simon and Jamie got into a fit about Song For Sharon. I think Jamie said that Joni wrote it while she was on coccaine but Simon said heroin. IMO, I think the bulk of Hejira was on something. >> It is my understanding from reading her interviews, lyrics and such that Hejira was mostly written NOT while she was ON drugs, but while she was kicking her drug habit. She went on the Hejira to get away from LA and the prevalent drug scene. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:49:54 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 In a message dated 5/7/00 3:47:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BMBSPIRIT@cs.com writes: << A bit discourteous IVPAUL, not that I care. Was it because I wasn't a woman, you seem to reply to them in a kind manner. BMB >> Maybe I would have simply ignored the post and not replied if it were obviously from a woman; I suppose I expect men to show a little more intelligence when it comes to computer agility. I also expect men to be able to handle my directness more easily. There is such a thing in the JMDL as searchable archives, which would have revealed to you that your subject had been thoroughly discussed. This week, however, with a broken tooth and a broken relationship, I have little patience for people. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:14:10 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Joni things and access In a message dated 5/7/00 5:52:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << There is such a thing in the JMDL as searchable archives, which would have revealed to you that your subject had been thoroughly discussed. >> This caught my eye and I want to remind people that just because you have email, does not mean you have Internet access. Until I was lucky enough to have the kind, kind help from list member Al Date, my home PC did not have Internet access, (I think that my modem in those days operated at 34.756 bps (:-D ), and my work PC has email only. Just for what it's worth. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:18:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 > This week, however, with a broken tooth and a broken relationship, I have > little patience for people. > > Paul I > are the two events related? wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 18:19:41 -0700 From: "Rob and Stef Librizzi" Subject: Joni tickets for sale MSG 5/23 Hi List, I will not be able to go to the show on 5/23. I need to sell 4 tickets. I paid $351.00 for all four, $87.75 for each ticket. The tickets are in Sec 201 Row M Seats 14 to 17. Face value! Please ask your friends. Thanks Rob ! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 21:55:06 -0400 From: Matt Jones Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #237 RE: late BSN thoughts and the orchestra album (long) [David Wright > Shadows and Light is the most obvious, and would indeed be stunning - you know what else could work, believe it or not, is Jungleline, with some interesting percussion and strings handling the swooping synth part. Of the others you mention, I imagined them all except Trouble Child - I just don't hear that one orchestrated at all... And like always, a great post from you, David... Bob NP: Prince, "Little Red Corvette", (Live 1988) Some early songs could work very well, I think, like The Dawntreader. I think Trouble Child (from C&S) could be interesting. And some of the songs from TI (maybe Sunny Sunday) and TTT would work well because texture is such an important part of her songwriting now (musically and lyrically) and that could be developed orchestrationally. I may think of some more. I'd be interested in comments about these choices. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 19:45:33 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: My first post From: "Frederick Freeman" Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 10:42:36 -0000 Hello List I've been reading the posts for about a week now, and thought it was time to join in. I was turned on to Joni about 2 years ago. I had Blue, and thought it was a great album, but had never explored Joni's catalog. My boyfreind being a Weather Report fan really turned me on to Jaco, so when I heard he played on some of her records, I got Hejira. WOW! I was blown away by this record, then started buying all her albums. Joni has been the single most important musical factor in my life ever since. My favorite albums are C&S, HOSL, & HEJIRA. I have been learning her tunings and playing her songs, and using the tunings for my own compositions, which has greatly expanded my range as a guitarist and a writer. I was fortunate to see the Joni's Jazz concert in Central park, and was blown away by Toshi Reagon, and Chaka Kahn. Toshi's "Black Crow", and Chaka's "Don't Interupt the Sorrow" were the highlights of the show. I will be going to the MSG show on May22, and like many of you, although I enjoy the BSN stuff, I've never seen Joni live (except the scatting thing at Joni's Jazz, which was a delectable tease) so I'm hoping for even a short guitar set. Anyone know if this is going to happen, or will it be the entire BSN album? Something else I'm curious about is the "Joni Covers" CD's everyone is talking about. How does one get in on this? Speaking of which, I had never heard Wynonna before the TNT tribute, but after hearing her do YTMOIAR, I was intrigued, so I bought her new CD "New Day Dawning" with high hopes, only to be very dissapointed. She is a great singer, but the material is what I call "stock-assembly-line-mainstream-country-rock" She is so above this insipid material. Even her cover of "Help Me", although flawless and accurate, I found to be lacking in an original stamp. It sounds almost exactly like the original, especially the musical arrangement. It makes me wish she would do an album of more raw Folk-Americana type country. I hope I don't step on any toes with my first post, but this is my honest impression of the album. I guess thats all for now, glad to be here at JMDL. !! NP -- Toshi Reagon - The Righteous Ones Frederick ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #176 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?