From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #174 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, May 6 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 174 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Anne's happy news ["Kakki" ] Re: Dressing up for Joni ["Kakki" ] some good news ["Paul Castle" ] [Fwd: newbies and virus] [Jason Maloney ] 'The Enchanted Lady' (Repeat) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Too Much Monkey Business ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: Alan's Creative Writing Project (SJC) ["Alan Lorimer" ] RE: urge for controversy [Susan McNamara ] Another Newbie! ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Comes... ["Ada Wittenberger" ] Re: Comes... ["Alison Einerson" ] Fwd: Re: Virus Alert (OT) [jan gyn ] circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Comes... [catman ] I Want My... ["James L. Leonard" ] "Down To You" from Temple Show ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] RE: "Down To You" from Temple Show ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Passion play ["Hejira" ] Re: Passion Play [Mark Domyancich ] Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) ["alan larson" ] Re: Passion Play [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Passion Play and Liberation Theology [Michael Langdon ] Re: Musica con Queso Covers ["Kakki" ] New interview on JMDL site [Les Irvin ] Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: New Interview on the JMDL site [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] RE: Musica con Queso Covers ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:29:32 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Anne's happy news Anne, Wonderful to hear that you are doing so well! One's spirit has a lot to do with it and you have it in spades. Your lyrics are beautiful and it is obvious that you have a natural gift for songwriting. Thank you for sharing them with us. You are a huge inspiration here to us. Lots of love and light to you, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 01:07:24 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Dressing up for Joni Patrick wrote: >the public part is i'm dressing up for this concert. >let's do that, and if not, let's dress for dinner and for joni! this >is a full-orchestra event and we're in the second row. time to >work the glamour, baby!!! The erstwhile group in Tinseltown is gleefully planning to be ridiculously overdressed as befits the occasion ;-D Ooo, and tonight I heard a fantastic promo spot on the radio for the L.A. show. It was just a knock-out with short bits of almost every song on the album. The announcer made it sound like the event of the decade. I loved it!! Kakki NP: The Cure - A Night Like This ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:18:21 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: some good news Dear Anne So pleased - I just had to write and say that although I'm far far away, I'm thinking and praying as hard as I can, figuring the distance is no object with healing thoughts. I love reading your lyrics, which have such healing power themselves. PaulC (with big stupid grin!) PS I hear that Natalie Merchant has recorded 'All I Want'. I know what 'we all want'. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 12:43:54 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: [Fwd: newbies and virus] I've been asked by vollmarr to send this on to the whole list. It couldn't get through to smoe.org, apparently. Seems this virus is causing some real damage. Jason. - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: newbies and virus Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 05:23:02 -0400 From: "vollmarr" To: Thanks for the invite Jason. From Jason.Maloney@virgin.net. "Firstly, a huge welcome to all newbies....Madeline, Sara, and any other "younger" members among us. - please write as often as you wish." I must admit I am a little shy posting with such illustrious members of this list. I love reading these posts, you all have a real flair with pen (keyboard.) The content is so informative and with the added bonus of your individual rendition of what ever opinion you have about whatever the topic. I am looking forward to learning about all of you individually from your posts. I agree with you, Jason, about the ebb and flow of music today. Most of it seems like noise to me listening to the radio today. I must confess that through the 80's, I listened to mostly talk radio at work. I listened to my standby's: Joni, CSN&Y individually and collectively, and people like Mose Allison, etc. I targeted yet limited my listening pleasure. I found this out when I posted my comment about K.D. Lang. I don't have a clue! I thought she dressed that way out of protest of commercialism in music. That is why I laughed so much. I though Joni was dressed fine, It seems so trite to talk about such things. I applaude such activism in women's attire as K.D. Lang. It brings discussion to the table about what does matter. I am a feminist from many years ago, like when I was 4 and preferred cars vs. dolls. etc. No I am not gay, but I have no problem with those that are. I have empathy with them. I have examined the sex roles we play in society, and there is still much to be expected with what we have. I apologize for my lateness in posting, I have missed the past week (?) of posts on the digest due to my outlook express taking a nosedive today. It crashed 17 times, I lost everything. all my e-mails and digests I haven't been able to read. I think there was at least a week of digests I missed. But I am here now! I don't think this had anything to do with the virus going around, just my volume of mail, and my ineptitude. Anyone with ideas? Am I right? No, I never opened anything with the content of I love you that I didn't know. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:28:33 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: 'The Enchanted Lady' (Repeat) Bernie BMBSPIRIT@cs.com wrote: >I am a contributor to a web page of Nanci Griffiths >and mentioned my interest in Joni. Someone there >told of this site and I just dropped by to tell a story >from many years ago. Welcome Bernie. It was me. So glad you joined up to tell your story. Everyone here loves stories of the olden days told from a new perspective. Others will probably tell you about 'The Tape Trees' and how to get hold of them, which one day I would like to get around to myself, but I thought you would be interested to see this post from another list, which I posted here a few months ago, with Gene's permission. I suspect that most of us will enjoy reading it again. It's great to have all these new subscribers. Any regulars got any 'crackers' worth re-posting for the newcomers? Here's Gene Shay's recent post to the FolkDJ-L: Very best - PaulC From: GeneS5@AOL.COM Subject: Re: FOLKDJ-L Digest - 15 Feb 2000 - Special issue (#2000-127) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:37:51 EST Joni Mitchell has been an important part of my broadcasting career. For one thing she used to come on my folk show and do lengthy interviews--- singing songs like "Just Like Me", Morning Comes To Morgantown" and "Dr, Junk The Dentist Man". One Sunday Joni sang "Both Sides Now" talked about the book "Henderson The Rain King" that inspired it and told me she had written the song in Philly just 3 days before my show. That was the first time it was ever heard on radio---anywhere. Those legendary radio interviews with Joni became classics and were eventually bootlegged and issued on a couple of poorly pressed LPs. You can hear my voice on those bootlegs and even though the bootlegs gave credit to the "Guys at WMMR" the interviews were done in 1967 at WHAT-FM (my first station---and where I called my show "Folklore").The tapes of the 'HAT' interviews were aired again when I moved to 'MMR'---that's why the bootleggers were confused. One night when I interviewed Joni I had Gordon Lightfoot as a guest and Leonda---a Boston based folkie. On another interview along with Joni I had The Young Tradition and Dave Van Ronk (we had The Main Point and the Second Fret operating on Sundays in those days). In the middle of the interview Chris Smither popped into the studio---next, Jamie Brockett. They had been travelling through the area and heard the interview, and stopped by to hang out. My main conduit to Joni in those days was my good buddy Tom Rush---the first artist to recognize her brilliant writing. I was with Tom the day the test pressing of his version of "Circle Game" was delivered, issued on a 45rpm, Prestige record. He couldn't wait to get to my studio to hear it on a professional sound system. Somewhere in my archives I have a tape of Joni and her husband Chuck Mitchell singing "Circle Game" on my show the very first time I met them. On that same interview Joni told the story of how her friend was not allowed to belong to this Toronto folk music club because it was for teens only and he had turned 20. He was so pissed that he wrote "Sugar Mountain" and she then answered back by writing "Circle Game". That childhood friend of hers was of course, Neil Young and that was the first time "Sugar Mountain" was ever heard on radio---I believe. Once in New York City I bumped into Joni and Graham Nash walking into a Walgreens Drug Store. Me, the folkie didn't know who Graham Nash was when Joni introduced us, though I had heard of the Hollies. He told me that he and David Crosby and Neil Young had just gotten together and were working out harmonies to record some tunes. Joni and Graham were on their way to Tom Rush's apartment to listen to some demos. They had Tom's key while he was on tour out west. One of the nicest and folkiest things Joni ever did for me was agree to play a benefit concert for the Main Point that I produced and hosted some years later when she was well known. She flew in to Philly with bassist Jaco Pastorious and percussionist Bobbie Hall Porter and played two shows at the Tower Theater and she picked up the entire tab for her groups expenses... flights . food---the works. The benefit raised 30 thousand dollars and kept the Main Point alive for a few more years. Also on that benefit show--Tom Waits, Dave Van Ronk, Melanie, Tom Rush and Springteeen pianist David Sancious. Even though she played the folk circuit and often hung out with folkie types from Sasketoon to South Philly I never really thought of her as a "folksinger" and it really doesn't matter. For a short while they used to bill her as the "Enchanted Lady". That she was, and still is. She is a brilliant, gifted artist who has sprinkled her magic dust on me---and I have been lucky enough to enjoy the glow. Gene Shay,WXPN, Phila. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:13:00 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Too Much Monkey Business "Blonde hair, good looking, trying to get me hooked Want me to settle down, get a home, write a book!" Alan NP: Chuck Berry (of course!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:27:40 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Alan's Creative Writing Project (SJC) The software package I have been developing is now up and running. Despite a lack of content in many areas, it is ready for testing. If some listers can help me out, or even just want to have a look at how I'm presenting a lot of Joni's lyrics, the address of the web site is: http://users.bigpond.com/AlanLorimer/ I have also set up a North American "mirror" site at: http://jonimitchell.homestead.com/files/ Just a few quick notes: - - To view the graphics properly, you'll need to set your display to "True Colour", "32 bit Colour", or "millions of colors" depending on the system you are using. Note that the background images are really stunning if you can view them properly. - - If you participate in actually testing the site (just play with it for 10 minutes or so and tell me what you think), please let me know your Name, Location and Age Group. - - This site *should* look good. I've spent nearly 150 hours on this Project and have had contributions from Don Rowe, Joseph Davis, Lori Reason, Trudi Woods, Sue Nielsen, Catherine McKay, and Hell with Input and advice from many other members. - - Please feel free to make further literary contributions towards the project :-) Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 08:15:33 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: classic Joni pic '69 attention all listers! for anyone who hasn't taken advantage of the huge benefit of joining catgirl's list I have posted a truly great pic of Joni from '69 that was shared there at: http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/joniCthru2769.jpg so you can view/download it if you want to. enjoy, pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:43:04 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: urge for controversy At 3:00 AM -0400 5/5/00, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Winter Lady >is an obvious man's song, why did she make one of her first songs for a >man to sing ? Here is my idea on this one. Joni was a young struggling songwriter who was looking to sell her songs, not necessarily record them herself, and I really believe that she wrote this as a Gordon Lightfoot-esque song for a man to sing. Maybe she had another singer in mind (Chuck?). She would have not written it FOR Gordon since he was already quite a prolific songwriter himself. I personally believe Joni when she said that Urge for Going was written in standard tuning and I completely believe she worked on the song alone. Sorry all you Oliver Stones out there!! :-) sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:49:19 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Another Newbie! <> Welcome Bernie! And thanks for sharing that story from the JT/Joni concert - that show is available from the JMDL Tape Tree, the Tree may be done but the music lives on! Let me know if you need to replenish your collection! Looking forward to hearing from you. Bob NP: Neil, "Eldorado" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:22:52 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: Comes... Comes the gas bill Put out oldies with your ex Comes alanis You can brush off her success Comes death Nothing can be done Comes your daughter Myrtle come and rescue me Critics slaughter You can kiss a cactus tree Comes death Nothing can be done Don’t try praying Cause it is'nt any use You’re just decaying And your heart runs out of juice Comes the polio Strum coyote with your leg Lost your fine voice Fix your whiskey with an egg Comes death Nothing can be done Comes o'donell You can rush to rikki lake Dumped by donald There’s a tribute they can fake Comes death Nothing can be done Comes a hanson You can dream he is your groom Comes your grandson You can chase him with a broom Comes death Nothing can be done That’s all, joni If you've ever seen a grave That’s all, joni And you know just what the maggots crave Comes o'donell She can't always stay awake Peg o'conell Is now taming william blake Comes death Nothing can be done Nothing can be done ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 11:56:51 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Comes... WOW! with fans like these...who needs enemies? alison e. - ---------- >From: "Ada Wittenberger" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Comes... >Date: Fri, May 5, 2000, 11:22 AM > >Comes the gas bill >Put out oldies with your ex >Comes alanis >You can brush off her success >Comes death >Nothing can be done > >Comes your daughter >Myrtle come and rescue me >Critics slaughter >You can kiss a cactus tree >Comes death >Nothing can be done > >Don’t try praying >Cause it is'nt any use >You’re just decaying >And your heart runs out of juice > >Comes the polio >Strum coyote with your leg >Lost your fine voice >Fix your whiskey with an egg >Comes death >Nothing can be done > >Comes o'donell >You can rush to rikki lake >Dumped by donald >There’s a tribute they can fake >Comes death >Nothing can be done > >Comes a hanson >You can dream he is your groom >Comes your grandson >You can chase him with a broom >Comes death >Nothing can be done > >That’s all, joni >If you've ever seen a grave >That’s all, joni >And you know just what the maggots crave > >Comes o'donell >She can't always stay awake >Peg o'conell >Is now taming william blake >Comes death >Nothing can be done >Nothing can be done > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 10:45:58 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Re: Virus Alert (OT) >This information was featured on our local news last night. >-------------------------- >Here's how to remedy the "I Love You" virus: > >Author: >Tim George, Lead Site Developer ­ OmniChoice.com > >The purpose of this document is to explain the impacts of the ILOVEYOU >virus and how to recover from an infection. >About the Virus: >The ILoveYou virus is a virus similar to the Melissa virus of a few >years ago. The ILoveYou virus is transmitted via email as an attachment. >The attachment when executed will install itself on your computer >utilizing the Microsoft Windows Scripting Host and send a copy of itself >to everyone in your personal address book. In addition, each time your >computer is restarted, the virus will also recheck the address book for >new address and forward the message to them as well. To make things >worse, the virus will also search out all hard drives and mapped network >drives for files with the certain extensions (vbs, vbe, js, jse, css, >wsh, sct, hta, jpg, jpeg, mp3, mp2) overwriting them with the virus and >renaming them to a .VBS (Windows Scripting Host application file) >extension. Any time that an infected file with the .vbs file extension >is launched, the process of infecting the computer will restart. > >Vulnerable Computers: >Any computer running Windows 9x or NT with the Windows Scripting Host >loaded are susceptible to this virus. > >Cleaning up computers infected with the virus: > >To repair a computer infected with the ILoveYou virus, perform the >following steps: > >Backup the Registry ­ in case a problem arises. >a. Launch the registry editor (regedit.exe). >b. Choose Registry | Export Registry File. >c. Choose a location on disk to save the file to. >d. Close the registry editor. >Reset the Timeout for the Windows Scripting Host >a. Launch the registry editor (regedit.exe). >b. Open the HKEY_CURRENT_USER key. >c. Open the Software key. >d. Open the Microsoft key. >e. Open the Windows Scripting Host key. >f. Open the Settings key. >g. If the value Timeout exists change the value from 0 (no timeout) so >something appropriate (like 120 ­ 2 Minutes) >h. Close the Registry Editor >Delete the following files: >a. Mskernel32.vbs from the Windows\System directory. >b. Win32dll.vbs from the Windows directory. >c. All occurrences of Love-Letter-For-You.txt*.vbs >Remove Auto-Start (Run / RunServices) entries from Registry >a. Launch the registry editor (regedit.exe) >b. Open the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE key. >c. Open the Software key. >d. Open the Microsoft key. >e. Open the Windows key. >f. Open the CurrentVersion key. >g. Open the Run key. >h. Delete the value named MSKernel32 >i. Close the Run Key and Open the RinServices Key if it exists. >j. Delete the Win32DLL key. >k. Close the Registry Editor. >Delete WIN-BUGSFIX.EXE >a. Delete all occurrences of WIN-BUGSFIX.EXE off any local hard drive >Delete infected HTML files >a. Delete all occurrences of LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.HTM from any local hard >drive. >Clear out the Email Address Logging. >a. Open the Registry Editor >b. Open the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE key. >c. Open the Software key. >d. Open the Microsoft key. >e. Open the WAB key. >f. Delete the default value and all values in the WAB key. (Do not >delete the sub-keys!) >g. Under the WAB4 sub key, delete the First Run value. >Clear Internet Explorer's Cache and reset the default page. >a. Right click on the Internet Explorer Icon on the desktop and click >properties >b. Reset the Default Home Page. >c. Click the Delete Files Button to clear the Temporary Internet Files >Cache >d. Click the Clear History Button in case Internet Explorer was launched >and the malicious file was previously download and in the history list. >e. Click OK >For all drives (including and LAN drives mapped to a infected user's >machine) >a. Delete all files with a .vbs extension, a size of 11K and a timestamp >of the date the computer was infected (or later if not caught >immediately). >(For machines that are regularly backed up record a list of files that >were affected so that they can be restored ­ Commonly effected files >are Microsoft Internet Information Server Web Administration files, >Microsoft Office Templates and Clipart, Microsoft Plus! Themes, >Microsoft Windows Installation files (commonly located in Windows\Cabs >or Windows\Options\Cabs). >-------------------- > >Jeff Zeitz > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:47:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) The Circle Game and Sugar Mountain are 2 of my very most favorite songs. There is something about the subject of vanishing childhood that really gets to me. Even more so as a parent. I wonder how many other songs there are about this subject. I can think of another one, "House at Pooh Corner"- Kenny wrote that as he was about to graduate from high school. Any others? Kate Bennett Singer Songwriter kate@katebennett.com www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:32:24 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: when i hate you - - - its because i love you. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:34:23 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Comes... I hope this is sung to a happy tune, in keeping with the lyric. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:37:47 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: I Want My... I want my, I want my, I want my J.D.L. (No digest since early morn'... :-( I wonder what people are talkin' about?) "Boston Jim" NP: Dire Straits, Brothers In Arms, "Why Worry" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:18:24 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: "Down To You" from Temple Show I was listening to the '74 Temple University Show last weekend, and I noticed that the J-Card lists Down To You on it, but the song isn't on my tape. Is this just a J-Card error or is my tape missing a tune? I couldn't have that! :~) Bob NP: Neil, "Dreamin' Man" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:35:27 EDT From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com Subject: Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) what about that song Cat's Cradle, i think ...by Jim Croce? argh. i know the song, just not sure who sings it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:49:35 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: "Down To You" from Temple Show I remember Simon posting right after they were ready that Down To You was not apart of the show. NP-Passion Play (maybe I'll start a thread about this one) At 3:18 PM -0400 5/5/00, Bob Muller (Perception) wrote: >I was listening to the '74 Temple University Show last weekend, and I >noticed that the J-Card lists Down To You on it, but the song isn't on my >tape. Is this just a J-Card error or is my tape missing a tune? I couldn't >have that! :~) - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:46:47 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: RE: "Down To You" from Temple Show < was not apart of the show.>> > Thanks, Mark - I figgered that was it... <> Start away, that's my fave song on NRH by a mile! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:32:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) - --- Treehuggergirl25@aol.com wrote: > what about that song Cat's Cradle, i think ...by Jim > Croce? argh. i know the > song, just not sure who sings it. Harry Chapin. (I almost said Harry Nilssen. Sheesh.) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: "Down To You" from Temple Show <> Oh goodie! I had already determined if I get a chance to ask Joan a lyric question in S'toon, it'll be a question about this great song. BTW, my fave on NRH too, Bob! I'm really curious if the interpretaion I have on "In Exxon blue" and "In radiation rose" is close to hers. Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:51:43 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Passion Play OK, at the urging of Bob and Penny I'll start a thread on this one. While doing a little yardwork this afternoon Passion Play came into my head and I got to thinking about this song and how lyrically strange it is. I imagine this song is about Larry Klein but it seems totally different, I mean, I'm getting better at realizing what Joni means about her writing but this one has got me really confused. Earlier today I finally realized just what the three little musicians were doing in front of the Pork Pie Hat Bar! Looking over the lyrics I think she may be talking about Jesus back in his day and how the world has changed since that time... did the Exxon spill happen before she wrote this song? "Magdalene is trembling" I think is Mary Magdalene and "never before was a man so kind" I take as Jesus who was the only one who respected her as a prostitute (Bob, if any of my Bible telling is wrong, please correct me! It's been a while since Religion class!) "The walking wounded" may be the ill asking Jesus for healing, "all around the marketplace" is obviously the market, but "who're you gonna get to do the dirty work" confuses me. Maybe she is saying that those who seek to convert others will die and no one else will do their work? Without geting too religous I think that converting is not dirty work. I would love to hear some more opinions on this song. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:28:08 +0100 From: "Hejira" Subject: Passion play I always think of the line "who you going to get to do the dirty work when all the slaves are gone" as relating to the token gesture that Exxon made by paying people to clean up after the Valdez disaster .There was something on the T.V about employees being paid less than minimum wage and causing more damage then any good they could have done. The people working had to wear the Exxon colours as Exxon saw this as a good add for how they care about the environment.For any of you who are interested there is a great page that fills you in on the latest about this on going tragedy. http://www.exxonvaldez.org/ . Wish me luck for my exams next week guys. Best Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:34:50 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Passion Play Adding to my comments: the line "But he sees a stray in the wilderness, and I see how far I wondered" is my guess that Jesus has found another convert and Joni realizes how far she has wandered from the Church. Somebody stop me! :D Good luck on your exams, Kevin! (And wish me luck too!) - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:04:24 -0000 From: "alan larson" Subject: Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) I can think of two more off the top of my head, Kate. Child's Song, performed in my head by Tom Rush, and Someday Soon, sung by Judy Collins. Maybe even Cat's in the Cradle by Harry Chapin, or Taxi for that matter. I went to visit a girl I had been dating in my senior year of high school way up to the northern end of Minnesota, and at that camping lodge I discovered that I really loved Sugar Mtn. since I played it as many times as I had quarters for. And now to know that it was the inspiration for Circle Game, the song I think is so attached in my mind to the brilliance of Siquomb, well, it just makes me glad to be a member. You guys are the best. But as for my purchase of Both Sides Now two weeks ago, I guess I'm just not a classic orchestration kind of guy. I went back to Humans and Dancing in the Dragon's Jaw by Bruce Cockburn pretty quickly. I enjoy singing along with the songs I know best, I guess. Anybody else suffer from an inability to change cd's in the car? Alan in Ames ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 23:41:47 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: I wish... The sleepless nights The blood red lights The fourth orgasm when you still wear tights The endless kisses and the endless bites i wish i were'nt in love again She's "heavens gates" I'm "mate of mates" We turn the radio on and - there's tom waits It's like a bush here - and i don't mean kates I wish i were'nt in love again No more "blue" No "case of you" Now it's true but i'd rather be out and about We fly to rome, she yells "i'm home!" Our sexlife habits really go like a bomb I'm learning spanish but i wish i were'nt in love again The jewels i buy The fifth "oh my!" A one big climax 'til the day we die She reads my poems and begins to cry I wish i were'nt in love again Since when we met It's wet wet wet Our flat has turned into a porno net Now it's the sixth cum but it's nothing yet I wish i were'nt in love again No more wrong No no so long Now we belong But i'd rather be out and about Believe me, dad, i'm growing mad She sings "i have a king" instead of "had" I don't love loving and i wish i were'nt In love again In love again I wish i were'nt in love again ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:45:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Passion Play Loving all this talk about Passion Play...the obvious stuff, to me anyway: First section is indeed about Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene, Second section is about Zaccheus, the tax collector who had climbed up in the sycamore tree for the Lord he wanted to see, Joni speaks from Zaccheus' point of view, I don't she puts herself in that role, she's merely singing the role of Zaccheus, much like she puts on Job's robe in "Sire of Sorrow"... "The killer nails are ringing", refers to Christ's crucifixion. Now, the inserted choruses are a lot more cryptic; Kevin, I loved your insight into the Exxon disaster, I always thought that "who you gonna get to do the dirty work when all the slaves are free" referred to the comments made to the Pharisees, Sadducees, etc. that Jesus' death on the cross freed us all from our bondage to sin, and we're no longer slaves to the "religious rules" of the day but rather saved by grace. (Although this doesn't really jive with what Joni has publicly said about her take on Christianity) And of course where an ordinary writer would not find it necessary to alter a repeating chorus, Joni creates a litany of "Ecstasy - Misery - Apathy - Tragedy". Could this be a capsuled summation of Christ's Easter cycle? The victorious ride into Jerusalem (ecstasy), the betrayal by Judas & Peter (misery), the crowd turns on him and asks for Barrabas (apathy), the crucifixion itself (tragedy). I just wish she had added another ecstasy to represent the resurrection, but then again, Joni ain't exactly the type for a lot of happy endings now, is she? ;-) That's all from me...let's pass the offering plate, say a benediction, and church is dismissed - with NO Handel, thankyouverymuch! LOL! Rev, Bob, warming the pulpit up for the REAL Rev... NP: Steely Dan, "Reeling in the Years" (Live, thanks to the Happy Dutchman, who has this day made me a VERY happy South Carolinian! You guys are the greatest!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:39:24 -0700 From: Michael Langdon Subject: Passion Play and Liberation Theology "Revolutionary political action becomes, in theologies of liberation, the way to make Christian love for the poor truly effective. Failure to engage in the revolutionary struggle would be failure to respond to the poor's yearning for liberation and would place Christians in the camp of the oppressors. Since it is in the poor that Jesus dwells in a hidden but real way, for Christians not to commit themselves to the revolution would be to turn their backs on Christ." --Humberto Belli I’ve always considered “Passion Play” (one of my favorite Joni songs) to be a kind of meditation on liberation theology, which is defined in the above quote. The poor (or the working class) are constantly referred to in the gospels as the “multitudes.” (Marxists would call them the “masses.”) These multitudes, as Joni notes, are drawn to Jesus (“this diver of the heart,” “this heart healer”). Amoral capitalists (against whom Joni rants in a number of her songs) harm the multitudes, either by exploiting them economically (rendering them “slaves”) or by destroying the environment (thus the multitudes are “In Exxon blue / In radiation rose”). As Humberto Belli says above, liberation theologists believe that Jesus “dwells in a hidden but real way” in the poor. (Jesus himself said, “Whatsoever you do the least of these my brethren, you do to me also.”) Thus, when amoral corporations harm the poor and the working class, they are in a sense re-crucifying Jesus. (“Oh all around the marketplace [which refers not only to the literal marketplace in which Jesus overturned merchant’s tables, but to the figurative marketplace of capitalism] / . . . The killer nails are ringing.”) After the second coming (oddly enough “The Second Coming” is the name of the Yeats poem on which Joni based “Slouching Towards Bethlehem,” which is also on NRH), when Jesus has his way in this world (“Thy kingdom come / Thy will be done”), the multitudes will be liberated. Then how are capitalists going to make their profits? (Who’re you gonna get to do the dirty work / When all the slaves are free?”) If you’ve never read the gospels, you might want to give them a look. Jesus was quite a radical. I’ve always found it amazing that right-wing Christians think they’re following Jesus. His sympathies were clearly with the poor and the downtrodden, whereas fundamentalists tend to be pro-business and to oppose any government programs that assist the poor. Joni seems to have a deep interest in the Bible (and in all works of mythology). “The Sire of Sorrow” is based on the book of Job, and “Love” (from WTRF) is based on I Corinthians 13. There are plenty of Biblical references in her other songs as well. Of course, this doesn’t necessarily mean that she’s a Christian. By the way, the speaker of the second and third verses is not Joni, but Zacchaeus, whose story is told in Luke 19. She may feel some identification with Zacchaeus, but this is one song that is definitely not about her personal life. Michael (a number member of the list) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:08:26 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Doris Day Found Hi Bob! Veni, vedi, que sera sera. Do Day's BSN has been found, trapped, and will be send to you soon for tagging, so tht it can be sent back out into the world. In other words, Doris Day's BSN has been found and needs a place on Volume 4 (Cheese lives!) :-) I'll get this out to you ASAP. All the best, Stephen PS Mabel can't be far behind! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 00:19:48 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Passion Play and Liberation Theology michael! thank you for your insightful reading of passion play. i too always think of liberation theology when i listen to this song. best, wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:34:09 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Doris Day Found In a message dated 5/5/00 9:08:26 PM US Central Standard Time, SME BD writes: << Do Day's BSN has been found, trapped, and will be send to you soon for tagging, so tht it can be sent back out into the world. >> Yee-hah! Yes, it will fit like a glove onto Volume 4, "The Power of Cheese". This one kicks off with Adrienne Barbeau and "I Had A King", a very dramatic reading by the well-endowed (and I ain't talkin' vocal talent) Adrienne...this is followed by Claudine Longet's "Both Sides Now" (Thanks to the wily Coyote for this one). I dare anyone to listen to this one with a straight face..."dweems & schemes and soocus cwouds"...don't know if it sounds more like Babawawa or Lillie Von Schtupp from Blazing Saddles! Then you've got the Boomtang Boys thump-thump take on the same song, a little Elvis Presley, now this Doris Day...paging Leonard Nimoy! :-D But not to fear, V4 will also feature some covers that have been de-cheesed...Diane Reeves "River" is a gem, as is Travis' "Urge For Going"! Stephen, you are the Sherlock Homie of Joni covers...but have you got that Mabel Mercer yet? :-) NP: Neil Diamond, "Both Sides Now"...oops, looks like a little Velveeta has spilled over to Volume 3! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:58:43 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Doris Day Found > Veni, vedi, que sera sera. Do Day's BSN has been found, >trapped, and will be send to you soon for tagging, so tht it >can be sent back out into the world. Oh Stephen! Bravo bravo!! Heehee! This is too much fun - what will we do when we find them all?! Nah, they'll always be out there to hunt down ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 21:06:49 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Musica con Queso Covers >Yee-hah! Yes, it will fit like a glove onto Volume 4, "The >Power of Cheese". This one kicks off with Adrienne Barbeau >and "I Had A King", a very dramatic reading by the well->endowed (and I ain't talkin' vocal talent) Adrienne...this is >followed by Claudine Longet's "Both Sides Now" (Thanks to > the wily Coyote for this one). Oh man, these have got to get to Joni. I suggest a box set to Chili, and then Bob, you should also bring a set as a back-up to Atlanta. I will take my original set to the show on the WAY slim off-chance I can get it to her, too. Now if we could only find one by the Monkees - maybe an outtake? ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 22:49:05 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: New interview on JMDL site Joniphiles - There's a new, two-part interview just up on the JMDL site from Ireland's Hotpress Magazine. I found some pretty interesting things in it that I hadn't read before. Check it out. And thanks to Philip in Ireland for transcribing it - another excellent contribution from him. http://216.247.66.89/articles/docs/000330hp.cfm Les NP: Wild Colonials "Philadelphia Story" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 02:26:43 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) In a message dated 5/5/00 3:37:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Treehuggergirl25@aol.com writes: << what about that song Cat's Cradle, i think ...by Jim Croce? argh. i know the song, just not sure who sings it. >> Cats in the Cradle by Harry Chapin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 02:29:58 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) In a message dated 5/5/00 1:54:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: << I can think of another one, "House at Pooh Corner"- Kenny wrote that as he was about to graduate from high school. Any others? >> True, though Loggins added a third verse many years later after his son was born. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:33:04 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: New Interview on the JMDL site WOW! Thanks Les! Thanks Philip! I'm on my way to read that one again! Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 03:40:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Musica con Queso Covers i don't know about the other volumes, but THIS ONE i can't miss for anything in the world. i want my cheese and i want it now! wallyk, wondering what next! william shatner doing cotton avenue? > >Yee-hah! Yes, it will fit like a glove onto Volume 4, "The >Power of > Cheese". ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #174 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?