From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #173 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, May 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 173 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Urge for Going Controversey ["Kakki" ] Re: SF Concert ["Kakki" ] Re: Urge for controversy [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Urge for controversy [Deb Messling ] Re: Urge for controversy ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Urge for controversy [Deb Messling ] Re: Urge for controversy ["Ken (slarty)" ] RE: Urge for Going Controversy [Louis Lynch ] Teenage Kicks [Jason Maloney ] Covers project/day in the garden ["Garret" ] Re: Urge for Going Controversy [Guitarpoint@aol.com] Re: SJC Current Concert Tour [SMEBD@aol.com] Covers project/day in the garden ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Hissing Demos [Howard Motyl ] BSN Concert in Connecticut [Heather ] Re: Warning about a new computer virus [catman ] Re: Warning about a new computer virus [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Warning about a new computer virus [Mark Domyancich ] Bay Area Show [leslie@torchsongs.com] Re: Warning about a new computer virus [IVPAUL42@aol.com] PWWAM [Vince Lavieri ] RE: BSN Concert in Connecticut ["patrick leader" ] Re: Urge for controversy [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Boston Concert Goers [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: PWWAM ["cassy" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 [BMBSPIRIT@cs.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 00:42:19 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Urge for Going Controversey Marian wrote: > I have this same feeling about it, Les. I think what bothers me the most is the standard tuning and >the rather standard melody and chord progression. It's very folky and most of Joni's early songs just >aren't very folky, even the ones I've heard that are on the early tape trees. It's possible to play UFG in >a tuning, though. When I put it into a tuning, it sounds a whole lot better to me and it's easier to >believe that it really was authored by Joni. > It would be nice if you could dig up that old post and anything > related to it. Me three. At the time, I was one of the defenders of the woman's post in that it could be possible. And I agree there is something about the song that is too typically Canadian folky for the early Joni. Don't get me wrong - I think UFG is one of the most classically beautiful songs I've ever heard - but I'm open to the idea that there may have been another's influence in it. I don't have my posts from that time to cite the exact date but my best guess is that it was around August-September 1997. Kakki NP: Laura Nyro - Child in a Universe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 01:09:38 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: SF Concert > That's the first I have heard of this. I have noticed that > they keep running the ad for the show in the pink. I would > be inclined to think they will go ahead with it, even if > it is not well attended...c'mon No. Cal, this is Joni, > dammit! Dear Ken and Randy, Shall I add you to the L.A. party list now? ;-D Kakki NP: Laura Nyro - American Dreamer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:25:11 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Urge for controversy I love conspiracy theories so I'll go with the flow here for a while. I'm sure it is a Joni song but there is something manly about that song. Some of those early songs are not what you'd expect from someone who was inspired to start writing after hearing Positively Fourth St, an awful lot of sea images for someone who lived hundreds of miles from the sea. Winter Lady is an obvious man's song, why did she make one of her first songs for a man to sing ? She said lately that BSN was among the first 10 songs that she wrote but she seems to have had a pile of other songs then. The truth is probably that she was developing and hadn't settled on a style yet. Early Joni fascinates me so I would also love to hear what Pat has to say. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 06:31:30 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Urge for controversy My memory is that this woman did not post to the Joni list. She posted to the Dar Williams list, and someone quoted her on JMDL. At the time, I found her post on the Dar list and sent her an email, but she never replied. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:31:25 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Urge for controversy Les wrote: >I agree that most of the song could be structurally compared to Joni's >other work at the time. However, the chord structure and melody during >this passage: > >"When the sun turns traitor cold >And all the trees are shivering in a naked row" > >seem odd, almost clumsy to me. It just doesn't seem to "flow" like the >rest of Joni's work does. Maybe I'm analyzing it too much! Personally I've never even considered that this song might not be Joni's. She mentions in one of the interviews in Stacey Luftig's book (p.203), in response to the question - "How did your tunings develop?": JM: "Well, I wrote my first song, "Urge for Going," in standard tuning, and I guess it's because of the stars; in the folk houses, the chords that everybody played sounded the same, while the chords that I heard in my head you couldn't get off the neck, even with tremendous facility." If it was indeed the first song she wrote, it doesn't surprise me that's it's in standard tuning, and that she subsequently found it too limiting. And there are several lines which (to me) just scream Joni! For example, "geese in chevron flight" cf. "hexagram of the heavens"! As for the phrase above, it's not the first (or last) of Joni's songs not to "flow"! How about: "The last time I saw Richard was Detroit in '68 and he told me..." - 18 syllables and the next verse "You laugh he says to me, you think you're immune..." - 11 syllables Actually, I guess whether she wrote it or not, or bought it or not, doesn't really matter at the end of the day, but it's just so "Joni"! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 07:00:12 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Urge for controversy At a 1967 performance available on one of the early tape trees, Joni said she BSN was three days old, so it certainly wasn't among the first 10 songs she wrote. Maybe she meant it was among the first ten she wrote that made it to record. Possibly she has psychically disowned the songs that she never recorded. As to Urge for Going being the first song she wrote, I've seen several references over the years to a song "Day After Day" being the first song she wrote - see the JMDL articles archive. At 11:25 AM 5/4/00 +0100, you wrote: >She said lately that BSN was among the first 10 songs that >she wrote but she seems to have had a pile of other songs then. > > > Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 06:55:30 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: Urge for controversy I'd just like to add to what Marian said about the chord progression. It has an unmistakable '60's feel to it. I can't put my finger on what it is but those chords captured something that was in the air at the time. I wrote a song when I was about 16 with the same chord progression and it is almost identical to Joni's though not the same. I thought I was terribly original until later I heard at least 3 songs using the same progression (there are probably more) and instil the same "feel" off the times. The first that I remember is - -Let's Get Together (Come on people now) -The Young Bloods and then - -Urge for Going and a little latter - -Monster -Stepenwolf What I wrote was actually closer to Monster though I heard that song quite a bit later. Marian wrote: > On Wed, 03 May 2000 11:20:35 -0600 Les Irvin wrote: > > > Urge for Going has always seemed to me > > to be an "odd" Joni song. The chord > > structure and the melodic flow seem to > > be unlike anything else she was doing > > at the time... > > I have this same feeling about it, Les. I think what bothers me > the most is the standard tuning and the rather standard melody and > chord progression. It's very folky and most of Joni's early songs > just aren't very folky, even the ones I've heard that are on the > early tape trees. It's possible to play UFG in a tuning, though. > When I put it into a tuning, it sounds a whole lot better to me > and it's easier to believe that it really was authored by Joni. > > It would be nice if you could dig up that old post and anything > related to it. > > Marian > Vienna > > NP: Brandy Eyes - Joni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 05:42:45 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Urge for Going Controversy Hi all, Jumping in with about 1.5 cents... I vote that Urge for Going is purely Joni's work. She may have borrowed a cadence or a phrase, but I can't believe she bought it from someone else. First off, in those days, she wasn't really wealthy enough to buy up songs like an omen of Michael Jacksons to come. Second, if she fell in love with the song and just "had to have it," she would have recorded it before Tom Rush had a chance. When recording musicians fall in love with a song, they usually record it while the passion's hot. In those days, there were so many Joni Mitchell songs in demand by other singers, she would have no need to go out looking for others. Third, she doesn't seem to be the type of person to take credit for other people's creative work. She does borrow heavily, in both her music and her painting, but if she had ever been guilty of plagiarizing, there would have been lawsuits galore. They nailed George Harrison for the familiarity of "My Sweet Lord" with "He's So Fine." Surely, someone even more controversial like Joni would have been dragged across the coals. Also, to me, it sounds like a Joni Mitchell song, regardless of the tuning. The poetry, the timing, even the breathiness, are very typical of her other compositions of that era, such as "Marcie" or "Tin Angel" (in a minor key). The phrases "summer colored skin," "bully winds," "all her empires are falling down" sound like pure Joni Mitchell to me. "Urge for Going" and "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" are two of my favorite Joni songs, for the same reason. They are quintessential pop songs, with an uncanny ability to create visual images with very acute poetry. They both have a similar flow, so I could not imagine Joni writing one but not the other. They even sound alike at parts, "Urge" is certainly not outside her palette of musical styles. Finally, if she had to buy such a beautiful song, surely she would be grateful enough to credit the songwriter properly. Dirty for dirty, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 02:06:48 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Teenage Kicks Firstly, a huge welcome to all the newbies..... Madeline, Sara and any other "younger" members among us - please write as often as you wish!!!! Do NOT feel intimated by anyone or anything you see on the JMDL! Your thoughts and opinions are just as valid. I've enjoyed your "coming-out" posts immensely.. :-) Easier said than done, I admit. There are times when I refrain from posting on a thread because of that "oh, I'll come across as being less knowledgeable or familiar with some aspect of Joni or her work". It's only natural. Even to someone who's been around here for almost 2 years, and who has every Joni studio album. I'm personally delighted we have some vocal younger members on here. I've been feeling a bit out of the Joni-loop of late. A mixture of things - living in the UK and not being privvy to all the various BSN promotion and tribute shindigs, BSN itself not really being *my kind of thing* (sorry, I know it means alot to many of you, and I wouldn't dream of trashing it, but that genre of music simply doesn't resonate with me), and also various outside areas of my life being in a state of flux. I don't have so much energy or desire to throw myself into e-mails like I used to. I try to read as many of the sometimes overwhelming deluge of threads and posts as I can, but I have to accept for the time being that I'm just not able to give it the same attention or devotion as before. The whole "todays music/teen music" topic has pretty much contained any thoughts I could add, other than to re-state my own sluttish preferences :-) I like it all, as anyone who's taken even the most cusory glance at the charts featured on my website. Britney, M2M, Moby, Sting, Goo Goo Dolls and that "I Hate You So Much Right Now!!!" record all happily rub shoulders with each other. There *is* a slightly worrying trend of endless conveyorbelt teen pop developing, but it's always been that way, I think. It just tends to ebb and flow. 2000 happens to be one of those times when it's at its most widepsread. So, great to have all you newcomers around, and to the old-timers and established regulars of the JMDL...stay in there! I'd miss you if you went :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:37:49 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Covers project/day in the garden the postman has just been around!! what an awsome Joni day! i got my set of the Bob's covers project!! and the video of A Day in the Garden came!! thanks Bob, and John!! and hugs to you Ashara!! i've been listening to the covers!!! amazing!! i'm ona study break, so it's a case of how many songs can i squeeze in !! this post also seems to be going for a record in the number of exclamation marks that one person can use!! i've never heard of Tuck&Patti before, but there "Woodstock" is great. and i'm liking "the Priest" by Jesse Hultberg lots. this is one of my favourite Joni tracks. finally, i can see why the fuss was made about Jacqui Fitzgerald. her "dry cleaner...." is wonderful!!! and there's so much more the big surprise for me is the Supremes wiht "all i want". i was brought up on Motown, and i never thought that they were very supreme without Diana!!! (just think "Up the ladder to the Roof" ) but i thought that their version of All i want is unique!! fun and great!! they make a great addition to the collection! as for the video, i'm going to keep that until I finish the exams (roll on may 17th). it'll be part of my end of term celbrations!! or consolations as is likely at this point!! (ggod news though, i have finally gotten my head around eigenvectors!!! yay!) ok, i'll shut up now GARRET ps- for those counting, i used 38 exclamation marks!! (eh, make that 40) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:50:09 EDT From: Guitarpoint@aol.com Subject: Re: Urge for Going Controversy In regard to all this controversy with Urge For Going, Remember when the woman tried to sue Stevie Nicks for the song Sara. One of the things the lady said was that is was so different from other Nicks songs. Remember the guy who tried to sue Mick Jagger for one of his songs? It happens all the time. I think it's purely Joni. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:06:24 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: SJC Current Concert Tour In a message dated 05/03/2000 11:04:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << Well.....Joni hasn't played the dulcimer on stage for 25 years, and it's been a great many years since she performed anything on the piano. >> I saw the WTRF tour at Jones Beach (NY) and she played the dulcimer (ACOY--don't remember if she played California). Maybe on her next tour! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:00:23 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Covers project/day in the garden <> Thanks for the post, Garrett! I love to hear the feedback...I also liked that take on "Priest"...anybody know where those samples came from? Or any other info about Jesse Hultberg? <> I agree, this one stuck in my craw more so than anything else, and like Kakki said, I keep waiting for them to segue into "Up Up and Away"! Thanks to DJ for these wonderful & unique treasures, and to the Happy Dutchman for taking care of y'all across the pond! Bob NP: Yes, "Heart of the Sunrise" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:27:12 +0200 From: Marian Subject: Warning about a new computer virus I'm really sorry to bother the list about this, because usually these computer virus things are hoaxes, but there is a new kind of virus going around that has brought down all of the mail servers in the Vienna International Centre today, and which will probably be affecting a lot of computers everywhere within the next weeks. The subject of the email was called ILOVEYOU. There was an attachment in the document called LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs This attachment 1) sends itself out to everyone in your address book 2) starts to destroy your computer registry and other files 3) if you have Internet Explorer, it logs onto a website and executes a program in www.skyi.net that nobody knows what it does 4) it does a bunch of other things that haven't been totally figured out yet. The .vbs extension means it is a Visual Basic script, and if your mail software is setup to automatically run such a script when you open the file, then you are at risk. With a Visual Basic script you can do ANYTHING to a computer. The text of the script was eight pages long and written by someone in the Philippines. This kind of computer virus is totally new and so McAffee and other virus programs don't look for it. If you get a .vbs attachment in any message sent to you, please, for your own sake and the sake of everyone in your address book, DO NOT OPEN IT!!! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:06:56 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Hissing Demos A few weeks ago, I was ranting about how great HOSL was and One of our fellow listers--one of you women out there--told me that she had HOSL demos that I should hear. I would love to hear them but I have lost the email telling me what to do. Can you, kind woman, resend me the info. My computer died and came back from Apple missing all the most important information. I promise I won't say anything badd about the Judds again. And Hillary be damned! I want my demos to Hiss. Howard M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 11:25:41 -0400 From: Heather Subject: BSN Concert in Connecticut To all those planning to attend the BSN show in Connecticut: Please contact me as soon as possible if you would like to get together before the show. The list of folks getting together (so far) is: myself & Fred, Ashara, Patrick, Kenny, Jenny and the Chili's. I'm trying to make eating arrangements for before the show. The more JMDLie's the merrier! Thanks! Heather - (who is feverishly studying for finals!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:52:11 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus This is genuine. I have just had a mail sent to me from a computer compnay whose list i am on warning me about it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:21:38 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus another warning---tried to call one of my retail vendors (a travel gear manufacturer in CA) and someone had opened the virus and crashed their entire corporate computer system. it looks very bad immune on my mac, :-) alison e. - ---------- >From: catman >To: Marian >Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus >Date: Thu, May 4, 2000, 9:52 AM > >This is genuine. I have just had a mail sent to me from a computer >compnay whose list i am on warning me about it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:47:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus - --- Marian wrote: > I'm really sorry to bother the list about this, > because usually > these computer virus things are hoaxes, but there is > a new kind of > virus going around that has brought down all of the > mail servers > in the Vienna International Centre today, and which > will probably > be affecting a lot of computers everywhere within > the next weeks. > > The subject of the email was called ILOVEYOU Oh brother. We've been stricken at work as well. Which explains why I'm here on my yahoo account posting to the jmdl instead of doing my *real* job - no e-mail! (Of course, it doesn't explain why I'm here on my yahoo acc't instead of doing my *real* job any other day - but for today, that's my excuse, and I'm sticking with it.) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:50:18 +0000 From: Kenny Grant Subject: NYC Tkt(s) Mon 5/22 Hi Guys, Delurking for a change. First, I can't believe that I missed Joni on Letterman and Rosie, Ashara, thanks SO MUCH for capturing those moments, I MUST be a leaf on that tree! Also, THANKS Penny for "not being above gossip" and for the Leno alert next Mon. Leno is definitely not a regular TV show for me, but I'll sure tune in next Mon, I have a misc. Joni VHS somewhere, gotta dig it up and tag it on. I bought 4 tickets for JM at NYC's MSG Theater Mon 5/22. 8pm - going with some non-JMDL friends, 1 or 2 aren't even fans/admirers. Would like to offer these 1-2 tix to any true fans who may have gotten shut out - face value of course - $75 (well $87.50 w/svc charges). Not the best seats in the house, but not the worst - stage right, section 203, row S. That was the best I could do at 935am - they went on sale at 9am and like an idiot I began dialing Ticketmaster's busy circuits till I realized the web was probably a better method. I think it's a small enough venue where any seat will be decent. If anyone is interested, pls. email me off-line at kg@ibm.net. Looking forward to meeting/re-meeeting some of you in CT for the Hartford/Wallingford show. Marian, you diehard fan, I can't believe you're coming in from Austria (again), can't wait to see you - and the others. Are you bringing your guitar? If it's too bulky a cassette would probably do the trick. I love your singing/playing. Looking forward to "An Evening With Joni Mitchell" (actually two evenings:-) - just singing, accompanied by a 70pc.. orchestra. Hoping against hope that she surprises us with an encore - just her and her "gueetar strings." Anyone think that's gonna happen? Lastly, NJC, just got an email from my office, DO NOT open any emails titled I LOVE YOU - it's a new virus. Best, Kenny btw, lost most of my email addresses a while back due to a disk crash of sorts. If anyone know Brian (Chilihead's) email address can you send it to me? Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:52:26 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus W e got struck here at the University also. Lost our entire id database. This one is serious folks. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:21:11 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus This one if for real. I already received it from a source with great integrity. If they got caught, anyone can. Marian wrote: > I'm really sorry to bother the list about this, because usually > these computer virus things are hoaxes, but there is a new kind of > virus going around that has brought down all of the mail servers > in the Vienna International Centre today, and which will probably > be affecting a lot of computers everywhere within the next weeks. > > The subject of the email was called ILOVEYOU. There was an > attachment in the document called LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs > > T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:31:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus The reason this one is so dangerous is because you receive it from a name you know. Once infected, it sends it to the first 300 names in your addressbook. Thank God I was warned because I received it from a name I knew and trusted. Jerry On Thu, 4 May 2000, Phyliss Ward wrote: > This one if for real. I already received it from a source with great > integrity. If they got caught, anyone can. > > Marian wrote: > > > I'm really sorry to bother the list about this, because usually > > these computer virus things are hoaxes, but there is a new kind of > > virus going around that has brought down all of the mail servers > > in the Vienna International Centre today, and which will probably > > be affecting a lot of computers everywhere within the next weeks. > > > > The subject of the email was called ILOVEYOU. There was an > > attachment in the document called LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs > > > > T > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 13:34:41 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus Love Bug computer virus spreads around the world; Canadian computers infected FROM AP-CP HONG KONG (CP) - A computer virus first noticed in Asia and spread by e-mail messages titled "ILOVEYOU" infected computers around the world Thursday, snarling communication from investment banks to parliaments. Experts said they were stunned by the speed and wide reach of the virus and warned computer users not to open the "LOVELETTER" attachment that comes with the contaminated e-mail. "It may be the most comprehensive spreading that I have seen," said Snorre Fagerland of the computer security company Norman, in Oslo, Norway, where the virus struck an untold number of companies. There were several reports of problems in Canada, including at the Ontario legislature and the virus had also infected computers in the United States According to a virus tracking system at the Web site of the Trend Micro computer security firm, more than 120,000 computer files were said to be infected in the United States by midmorning EDT, up from fewer than 20,000 just an hour before. In Britain, about 30 per cent of company e-mail systems were brought down by the virus, according to Network Associates, another computer security firm. In Sweden, the tally was 80 per cent. The virus appeared in Hong Kong late in the afternoon, spreading throughout e-mail systems once a user opened one of the contaminated messages. It later moved into European parliamentary houses and through the high-tech systems of big companies and financial traders. "I have to tell you that, sadly, this affectionate greeting contains a virus which has immobilized the House's internal communication system," said Margaret Beckett, leader of Britain's House of Commons. "This means that no member can receive e-mails from outside, nor indeed can we communicate with each other by e-mail." In the United States, the "love bug" shut down the Florida Lottery Web site and e-mail system, said lottery spokesman Leo DiBenigno. In Asia, Dow Jones Newswires and the Asian Wall Street Journal were among the victims. The bug affected only e-mail and did not prevent Dow Jones Newswires from distributing financial information to traders. The Asian Wall Street Journal would have no problems publishing, officials there said. But the e-mail systems went wild. "It crashed all the computers," said Daphne Ghesquiere, a Dow Jones spokeswoman in Hong Kong. "You get the message and the topic says ILOVEYOU, and I was among the stupid ones to open it. I got about five at one time and I was suspicious, but one was from Dow Jones Newswires, so I opened it." Once the message was opened, Ghesquiere said, it began sending the virus to other e-mail addresses within the Dow Jones computers, blocking people's ability to send and receive e-mail. Victims sometimes received dozens of e-mails, all contaminated. "I have no idea how it got through the firewall," Ghesquiere said. "It's supposed to be protected." Tips on containing the so-called Love Bug virus: - -If you see "ILOVEYOU" in the subject line of your e-mail, delete the message immediately. Do not open the attachment, "LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs." - -Install anti-virus software, if you haven't already done so, and check with manufacturers' Web sites for any updates they may post to kill the virus. - -Network administrators should filter and delete incoming mail with "ILOVEYOU" in the subject line and "LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs" as an attachment name. Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Marian wrote: > > I'm really sorry to bother the list about this, > > because usually > > these computer virus things are hoaxes, but there is > > a new kind of > > virus going around that has brought down all of the > > mail servers > > in the Vienna International Centre today, and which > > will probably > > be affecting a lot of computers everywhere within > > the next weeks. > > > > The subject of the email was called ILOVEYOU > > Oh brother. We've been stricken at work as well. > Which explains why I'm here on my yahoo account > posting to the jmdl instead of doing my *real* job - > no e-mail! (Of course, it doesn't explain why I'm > here on my yahoo acc't instead of doing my *real* job > any other day - but for today, that's my excuse, and > I'm sticking with it.) > > ===== > Catherine (in Toronto) > catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:49:44 -0400 From: "Christine Nunn" Subject: sugar mountain so, I dragged out my old bootleg album, the Posall and the Molsalm, and it ends with "Sugar Mountain" No matter how hard I listen to the banter prior to the song, I keep hearing Joni saying "I wrote this song for a friend of Mine Neil Young." I asked a Joni-lovin' friend about it. He said he has an old tattered recording that says something about her following up on the Circle Game with Sugar Mountain. Anyone know anything about this??? Christine E. Nunn Development Director NYC Anti-Violence Project (212) 714-1184 ext. 29 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:54:17 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus Luckily our mail server is on a Mac system, which is basically immune to any of these email viruses. NP-DJRD At 12:52 PM -0400 5/4/00, Jerry Notaro wrote: >W e got struck here at the University also. Lost our entire id database. >This one is serious folks. > >Jerry - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:00:08 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: sugar mountain In a message dated 05/04/2000 2:41:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnunn@avp.org writes: << He said he has an old tattered recording that says something about her following up on the Circle Game with Sugar Mountain. Anyone know anything about this??? >> My understanding is that Neil Young wrote Sugar Mountain as a lament to his lost youth--after turning 21 he was no longer allowed to hang out at his favorite club somewhere in Canada. Joni wrote Circle Game in response and to offer hope: there'll be new dreams . . . Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:17:47 -0700 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: Concord CA concert I talked to the administrative office at the (Chronicle) Concord Pavilion. As of today, there is no information of the May 13th concert being cancelled. I was told to call back tomorrow, but that there did not seem to be a reason for the show to be cancelled. Sorry if this has been covered , but I am on digest. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:58:39 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Covers project/day in the garden Garret in Dublin wrote : > i was brought > up on Motown, and i never thought that they were very supreme without > Diana!!! Are you kidding ? Check your Dad's record collection for an amazing post Ross record called Stoned Love. Philip NP Bob Dylan - Simple Twist of Fate (on Fanning's show) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:06:34 -0400 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming 4 Dead In Ohio *Remember Today* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:19:53 -0700 (PDT) From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Bay Area Show I asked Jim to check into the rumor regarding the cancellation of Joni's Bay Area show - here's his reply: I talked to someone at the Chronicle Pavilion office, who told me the concert is still on (I'm going to call again tomorrow to make sure that's still the case). When I told her about the 3000 tickets, she said "Oh, we've sold a LOT more than that!" Apparently it's just a rumor. It appears that the show will go on! Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:37:45 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus Our maingate.com offices received the virus. I didn't open the "I Love You" message that carried in to my mail, because of course I knew no one would send me such a message. Unfortunately, others in our offices did open it, and it wiped out a lot of our image (jpeg) files, but I am told that it's only affected us internaly and has not reached our website. Everyone except the tech guys went home at 3:30 p.m. EDT; they'll be there late, I am sure. Paul I In a message dated 5/4/00 2:57:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << Luckily our mail server is on a Mac system, which is basically immune to any of these email viruses. NP-DJRD At 12:52 PM -0400 5/4/00, Jerry Notaro wrote: >W e got struck here at the University also. Lost our entire id database. >This one is serious folks. > >Jerry >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 20:52:10 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: PWWAM Playing around with the internet I discovered that Painting With Words and Music is going to be televised on WLRN on Saturday, 13 May at 8:00 p.m. I have no idea where WLRN is, but if you get it, you can watch it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:49:35 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: BSN Concert in Connecticut hi heather, i'm keeping this public for the public reasons. private, i will probably catch a train around 2 pm (with kenny) to new haven, blah, blah... the public part is i'm dressing up for this concert. no tie, but a nice suit with a nice shirt. didn't you say the venue had pretty decent food possibilities? let's do that, and if not, let's dress for dinner and for joni! this is a full-orchestra event and we're in the second row. time to work the glamour, baby!!! patrick np - reich remixed >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >Heather >Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:26 AM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: BSN Concert in Connecticut > > >To all those planning to attend the BSN show in Connecticut: > >Please contact me as soon as possible if you would like to get together >before the show. The list of folks getting together (so far) is: >myself & >Fred, Ashara, Patrick, Kenny, Jenny and the Chili's. I'm trying to make >eating arrangements for before the show. The more JMDLie's the merrier! > >Thanks! >Heather - (who is feverishly studying for finals!) > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 21:13:08 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Urge for controversy In a message dated 5/4/2000 6:31:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << If it was indeed the first song she wrote, it doesn't surprise me that's it's in standard tuning, and that she subsequently found it too limiting. And there are several lines which (to me) just scream Joni! For example, "geese in chevron flight" cf. "hexagram of the heavens"! >> This is not the first song she wrote. The first song she wrote was called Day After Day. It is not the song that they use on Godspell either.... that was called Day By Day. Catgirl ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 21:17:40 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Boston Concert Goers Anyone attending the Boston show that would like to get together beforehand/afterwards to eat dinner/shmooze/plan the New England Jonifest ;-) please e-mail me so we can start making plans!! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:58:20 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: PWWAM It looks like WLRN is a Florida Public Broadcasting Station. Their web page (still showing April programming) is at: http://www.wlrn.org/tv/index.htm Cassy N.P. Willy Porter "Dog Eared Dream" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:29:37 EDT From: BMBSPIRIT@cs.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 I am a new subsgriber and a fan o JM for 35 ish years. Mostly her folk years because I'm just not a big jazz fan and thats how I interpreted her later music. I am a contributor to a web page of Nanci Griffiths and mentioned my interest in Joni. Someone there told of this site and I just dropped by to tell a story from many years ago. I'm from NYC and used to listen to WNEW FM when they used to have folk music on Saturday mornings and once in a while live concerts. ONe of these concerts was Joni and James Taylor together . It was one of the best radio concerts I had ever heard and I even had a tape of it for a while but thats long since gone. They were both very good storytellers (especially joni ) when introducing songs but I will never forget her introduction of Circle Game.( Many of you may know this story, but if you don't , it is pretty interesting. Joni was talking about how in certain areas of life ,she mentioned modelling, someone could be considered old or over the hill at 25 years of age . She talked about when she was growing up in Canada how they had clubs that were only for teenagers and she had this friend that became very depressed after his twentieth birthday because he couldn't hang out with his friends anymore. So,she said, he ran off to become a folk singer ala Bob Dylan and he wrote a song which was a lament for his lost youth. I quote her; " And the words went,"( She spoke them, didn't sing them ) " Oh to live on Sugar Mountain, with the Barkers and the colored baloons You can't be twenty on Sugar Mountain, although you"re thinkin that you're leaving there too soon.You're leaving there too soon," I was very moved because although I liked Neil Young, I had never understood what those lyrics had meant and Joni then went on to say that she wrote her next song ffor him to show that not all is lost, and it was Circle Game. I would love to have a copy of that concert if anyone would possibly know how. I also waited for hours on the side of a hill in 1970 at the Isle of Wight just to hear her sing and after only a few songs a guy that was a part of the " Family " we had formed at the festival took the mike from her and started calling for a "Free Concert" Joni tried to be courteous but when they took him off stage , she gave moving speech to the crowd, finished one song and walked off. I will never forget how angry I was at this person for what he did, especially since as soon as he met someone and was getting laid, the "Revolution" was over. Hope I didn't bore you. Bernie ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #173 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?