From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #170 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, May 3 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 170 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: today's musics (SJC) [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] Re: Another Cover [AsharaJM@aol.com] Videos [AsharaJM@aol.com] Flo & Eddie [Michael Cooper ] LA TICKETS! ["Leah Bolotin" ] Joni Tribute Album [FMYFL@aol.com] joni content in today' nytimes [Les Irvin ] RE: Entertainment Weekly ["Pitassi, Mary" ] On Leno [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Entertainment Weekly [Jerry Notaro ] Re: today's musics (SJC) [Catherine McKay ] we are stardust we are golden ["Hejira" ] Re: On Leno [Mark Domyancich ] The Clintons (VLJC) ["James L. Leonard" ] Re: joni content in today' nytimes [catman ] Re: Book Recommendations? [BrainEnvy@aol.com] Re: we are stardust we are golden ["Ken (slarty)" ] Re: we are stardust we are golden ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lamadoo\)" ] Which Album Next? [Scott Price ] Re: Book Recommendations? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: cd tree 1 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Book Recommendations? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Entertainment Weekly [IVPAUL42@aol.com] BSN review in Le Monde [Deb Messling ] amusing translation of Le Monde article [Deb Messling ] Re: joni content in today' nytimes [Guitarpoint@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 06:10:05 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: today's musics (SJC) In a message dated 5/1/00 9:55:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, brenda@killinggoliath.com writes: << Now I'm not defending the pop machine, but I will say that the message resonated with alot of young girls (I worked on both Spice projects so I'm speaking from experience). It gave them confidence. I turned my nose up at it at first, (caring more about Massive Attack and Ben Harper) then I learned what it meant to these young girls. I'm sure other teen pop acts resonate somehow with pre-teens like the girls I met. >> Coyote Adds: It seems to be kinda like our evolution in eating food. When we are young, we ate things most of us would never eat today. But as we grow, our tastes long for something of more substance. I had my Monkees and Captain Crunch. Now it's Joni and Bran Flakes, no sugar (or spice) added... :-) No regrets, Coyote Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:40:27 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Another Cover Bob wrote: << ...and I'll include an invitation to Boston for Labor Day too! ;~) >> YEEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:47:34 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Videos For everyone that is looking for the TNT Tribute, Letterman, Rosie, etc.: I have been away, and coming back late tomorrow night. Next week I will be working on finishing up the next 2 videos for the tape trees, and hopefully will be offering them soon. They will include the TNT special for those that missed it. Is there anyone out there that has good quality video equipment that has dubbing capabilities, that would be willing to act as a branch for this, and future trees? I especially need someone that can make PAL copies for others, so we can keep the cost down. Please e-mail me privately as soon as possible if you can help out, and let me know how many dubs you would be willing to make. Thanks! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 09:18:13 -0700 From: Michael Cooper Subject: Flo & Eddie Somebody said they didn't know what Flo and Eddie were up to these days. They are touring as The Turtles featuring Flo and Eddie, tho I suspect they are the only original Turtles (the rest of the musicians probably weren't even born in the 1960s!). Last year when my family was at Disney World they appeared as part of a "Flower Power" festival. They put on a very entertaining set, though it was brief. Flo nd Eddie can still create those great harmonies. By the way, Flo and eddie provide the great back up vocals on Bruce Sprinsteen's Hungry Heart. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 06:40:06 -0700 From: "Leah Bolotin" Subject: LA TICKETS! I have two tickets for the concert in LA that we are not going to be able to use. They are in row D, seats 62 and 64. We bought them for $33.50 each plus an $8 surcharge each. Please respond to listserve or email me directly at bolotin@pbworld.com or call me: work 206-382-5257, or home 206-781-8570 (Seattle). Thanks, Leah Bolotin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:15:03 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Joni Tribute Album Just reading some old email that I saved and came across this post from Wally written back in September : The Joni Mitchell Tribute Album is now finished and scheduled for release before the end of the year. Chaka Khan, Elvis Costello, Bjork, Etta James, Janet Jackson and others have recorded their favorite Joni songs for this long-overdue salute to one of the best songwriters of our generation. I should have a complete track-listing for you soon.> Does anyone know what happened to this project? It may have been posted, but I can't remember. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 09:18:02 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: joni content in today' nytimes From: "patrick leader" Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:48:48 -0400 i'm snipping some of this. she starts the article bitching about the current divas, sets aretha above the current trash in a manner that can only be called 'damning with faint praise': >Aretha Franklin is exempt. Her voice is a faint outline of what it was, but it was lovely once, and gets off a truly evil (and hysterical) comment about miss ross >"She's Norma Desmond," said a friend. "If you're a baby boomer you pretend you still worship her. If you're young, you get turned into horror-stricken William Holden." oof!! but here she continues about joni: - ----------- So when I listen to new recordings by three singers, all with extensive diva credentials, I think: Please! Give them some elbow room. Just let them keep mapping out new routes on the landscape of popular music. Joni Mitchell has been born and reborn as a goddess of song. In her new CD, "Both Sides Now" (Warner Brothers), she takes standards from Tin Pan Alley and joins them to standards of her own ("A Case of You" plus the title song) to make a song cycle. It follows a love affair from its start ("You're My Thrill" and "At Last") to its disintegration and demise ("You've Changed" and "Don't Worry 'Bout Me"). And then on to those recovery efforts that start with defiance ("I Wish I Were in Love Again," though she doesn't make it taut or tart enough) and end with philosophizing ("Both Sides Now," which she does beautifully). Desolation recollected in tranquillity. You hear the singers she has listened to -- Billie Holiday in her "Lady in Satin" period, Etta James in her soul-torch mode -- but Ms. Mitchell isn't just basking or borrowing. She's working with a changed instrument, a voice that's no longer high and pearly, but (which I like much better) is lower and grainy. She has worked with jazz musicians for some time, and her songs have gotten more and more unpredictable. She is experimenting with different ways of shaping language and music. How can this not be a good thing for a singer-songwriter? Why are so many of them content to live year after year not only with their own gifts, but within their own limitations? - ----------- the other divas she speaks positively about are audra mcdonald (no argument from me, there, the new album is stellar) and ute lemper. email me off list if you want me to send it or try this link; maybe you'll be able to bypass the time's irritating logon process patrick np - woodstock live - csn - 1994 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:01:49 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: RE: Entertainment Weekly Paul I. wrote: "It's also not proved from this that the Clintons thought it was Judy's song. They like her recording; she's a prominent folkie who would likely support a candidate like Bill, as most the Hollywood and the recording industry did. Furthermore, she's American. Paul I" Hey, I hate to break a long streak of agreeing with Paul I. over the last week or two, but I'm going to "half disagree" on this one. I clearly remember reading an article either right before Bill Clinton was elected or shortly after he was inaugurated in which Hillary claimed that their daughter was named after "Chelsea Morning, an old Judy Collins song." Now she still could have been referring to Judy's *version* of the song, but I remember coming away from the article at the time believing that Hillary, like a vast percentage of humanity, believed that Judy had written Joni's song. Of course, that was nearly a decade ago, and I'm sure there have been ample opportunities for those in the know to point out the truth to her! And, regardless of whether or not Hillary was mistaken about the authorship of "Chelsea Morning," she still could have been a Joni fan. In any event, I certainly don't think being mistaken about one song years ago makes Hillary a hypocrite for appearing on the tribute, as JMDLers other than Paul I. have suggested--or in any way lessens her sincere appreciation of that song. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:46:11 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: On Leno Ha! Imagine that.....as soon as Ben Harper's name shows up on the list three times yesterday, he has a spot on national TV. :-) He's the musical guest on Leno tomorrow night, 5/3. I was looking to see who else is on Leno with Joni next Monday night.....Emelio Estevez and Connie Nielsen. Who's Connie Nielsen? Not to be rude, but I hope she (nor Emelio) have a whole lot to say. ;~D One more thing, remember the first time Joni did the Leno show? The first guest that night was Oprah. (Oprah said she had to leave right after her spot, so wasn't on the couch for Joni's performance or the interview portion.) So it stands to reason that Joni and Oprah have met, even if it was just for a short time back in the green room. Maybe they didn't mesh to awfully well, and that has something to do with Joni not being on her show yet. You don't suppose Joni went on one of her rants, pre-show, to Oprah dissing popular women singers, with some of Oprah's fave female singers Whitney and Mariah, do you? ;~D Haha! And now thinking about Emelio's ex-wife...... "I'm not above gossip" ;~) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 12:55:18 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Entertainment Weekly "Pitassi, Mary" wrote: > > > In any event, I certainly don't think being mistaken about one song years > ago makes Hillary a hypocrite for appearing on the tribute, as JMDLers other > than Paul I. have suggested--or in any way lessens her sincere appreciation > of that song. Nor do I. My explanation was as to why Judy would have been invited rather than Joni and whether that made the Clintons hypocrites. It makes sense to me that Judy would invited because it was the performer of the song they admired, not necessarily the author. But it is also true that they thought Judy wrote the song, as I did also when it became so popular. Wildflowers was THE record of my senior year. And I also don't think it is sinister to recognize the talent of the author once that is realized. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:56:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: today's musics (SJC) - --- AngelinoCoyote@aol.com wrote: > It seems to be kinda like our evolution in eating > food. When we are young, > we ate things most of us would never eat today. But > as we grow, our tastes > long for something of more substance. I had my > Monkees and Captain Crunch. > Now it's Joni and Bran Flakes, no sugar (or spice) > added... :-) Maybe kids actually NEED sugar (of all kinds) to grow! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:18:30 +0100 From: "Hejira" Subject: we are stardust we are golden Hi I have just got back from an astronomy presentation about the formation of the universe (I know my life is very sad) The over head at the beginning had the title of the talk and people who were doing it with the quote " we are golden we are star dust we are billion year old carbon" the quote however was credited to a Doctor Tony Prave (at which point I almost jumped up and wanted to shout out it was Joni but thought better of it ) does anyone know who he is and whether Joni was quoting him in woodstock? Thanks for any help Best Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:25:04 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: On Leno I honestly don't think Oprah and Joni would mix together very well. Oprah claims every musical act on her show are huge influences on her (even the Bee Gees). Most of the audience, I'm sure, are thirty somethings who have only heard BSN and claim Judy wrote it. NP-Paprika Plains (I didn't listen to any Joni today! WTH's wrong with me?) :D At 9:46 AM -0700 5/2/00, Penny wrote: >One more thing, remember the first time Joni did the Leno show? The >first guest that night was Oprah. (Oprah said she had to leave right >after her spot, so wasn't on the couch for Joni's performance or the >interview portion.) So it stands to reason that Joni and Oprah have >met, even if it was just for a short time back in the green room. Maybe >they didn't mesh to awfully well, and that has something to do with Joni >not being on her show yet. You don't suppose Joni went on one of her >rants, pre-show, to Oprah dissing popular women singers, with some of >Oprah's fave female singers Whitney and Mariah, do you? ;~D Haha! >And now thinking about Emelio's ex-wife...... - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:30:12 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: The Clintons (VLJC) Hi, again, everybody. I'm very new here, as you likely know, and I'm kinda sorry at this point that I helped start a debate about the Clintons. Nevertheless... Several things have been said since then that I'd like to respond to: For one, I'd like to know which policies the Clintons have advanced to help the less fortunate. Welfare Reform, the Republican initiative which Clinton signed on the eve of the 1996 Democratic Convention as a way to prove his "centrist" props? Bill and Hillary's "feel your pain" propaganda has always seemed to work for them, and I just don't understand why people have continued to buy into the style...over the substance of the facts. Secondly, with regard to Clinton's impeachment, there were issues that were far more important than that of his time-consuming, frequent dalliances with Lewinsky. The House Managers made a fatal error in presenting their case to the Senate by concentrating on the tawdry. Aside from the obvious instances of perjury and obstruction of justice, for which Clinton has been fined by the female judge presiding over Paula Jones, there was creditable evidence presented in the Starr Report, for instance, that on one occasion Clinton was being serviced by Lewinsky *while* on the phone in the Oval Office discussing the deployment of troops to Bosnia. There was another "session" which resulted in a delay in a meeting with a head of state (Spain, if I remember right). Also in the Starr Report: During the frequent, dead-of-night phone-sex sessions, Clinton did not use a secured line! There is good intelligence that suggests the Israelis monitored these calls! Imagine if the calls had been recorded by an enemy state, and used as blackmail (we all saw the lengths Clinton went to to deny the relationship, before the dress emerged). The conduct of Clinton in the workplace(!) with an intern(!), the amount of time he devoted to the planning of the labyrinthine details necessary for rendezvous with Lewinsky while "on the job," the hours he spent on the phone with Lewinsky when, as president, he should have been resting, his breach of national security guidelines...*these* should have been presented to the House in the original articles of impeachment, along with the perjury and obstruction charges. Had Clinton been discovered to be having an affair with a non-subordinate he kept at an apartment in Georgetown, and had not been obsessed with having sex (or in Wiley's case, attempting to have sex) in the White House, I would agree with those that say his conduct was his and Hillary's business. I don't even want to get started on bombing the African aspirin factory the day Lewinsky testified before the grand jury, the fundraising abuses, the possible Chinese influences, the renting of the Lincoln bedroom, etc... I *am* a liberal Democrat. I will be at the polls in November to proudly vote for Gore. I stand by my earlier comment that I wish the Clintons (yeah, Hillary too) would now be content to fade from the public eye. Ambitions? They've *achieved* their ambitions, as far as I'm concerned. They've had eight years as the president and first lady, for crying out loud, and they're about to enter the exalted and influential realm of ex-president and ex-first lady, where much can be done. Ask the Carters and the Fords. Aside from presiding over a good economy, for which the credit is widespread, there hasn't been much accomplished by them, aside from further damage to our respect for our leaders. I felt used by Hillary's turn at the Tribute, and I felt that Joni was used, too. I wonder how Joni felt about it, really. "Boston Jim" (who's just made his last political post to the list, I hope) NP: "Silver and Gold," Neil Young ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:42:35 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: joni content in today' nytimes Who is it that is saying all this? colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:35:06 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: The Clintons (VLJC) In a message dated 5/2/00 2:29:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jll@tampabay.rr.com writes: << I felt used by Hillary's turn at the Tribute, and I felt that Joni was used, too. I wonder how Joni felt about it, really. >> i can certainly understand how you felt toward this. i'm not sure all the reasons why, but i did not get this strong reaction from the clip. i was mostly disappointed that it was a clip and i thought it would have been really cool if she had actually showed up. but overall, it made me think that even the whitehouse has connected with the music of joni mithcell and to me, chelsea hotel or chelsea france or chelsea london or wherever they were didn't matter. i make liberal interpretations of songs all the time and convince myself that a line was made for me, even if it wasn't. i was meant to hear it, and that is good enough. i'm not denying your right to feel as you do. i am just saying that i watched the same show and didn't get the sense of being used. i liked the fact that the first lady was part of the show. and i did think it would have been cooler if she were actually there. pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 14:50:36 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: cd tree 1 From: "Joe Farrell" <.farrell@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:36:37 +0100 Hi all you lovely JIMDLES out there, I have only just joined JMDL,aint it brilliant, and i would love to get hold of a copy of CD tree number 1. Can anybody please help? Blank CDs and return postage supplied of course! "My Best To You", Joe Farrell. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:52:52 EDT From: BrainEnvy@aol.com Subject: Re: Book Recommendations? I just wanted to thank everyone who wrote, both privately and on the list, to offer suggestions about Joni books. Everyone has been *so* nice, and helpful, and had some good ideas- especially about checking out the two web sites, which have so much information I've barely even made a dent in them! Thanks for welcoming me so warmly! My next question would be, where should a semi-newbie start in terms of Joni's music? I already have some of the older recordings, including Blue, LOTC, For the Roses & Miles of Aisles. Does it make sense to buy the albums in the order they were recorded, or are some worth hearing before others? Thanks once again, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:05:22 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: we are stardust we are golden Well Nasa has a rocket called Stardust which is to look at the dust from comets. They credit the line to one 'Joni Mitchell'. I've had no luck in finding any info on Tony Prave. Hejira wrote: > Hi > I have just got back from an astronomy presentation about the formation of > the universe (I know my life is very sad) The over head at the beginning had > the title of the talk and people who were doing it with the quote " we are > golden we are star dust we are billion year old carbon" the quote however > was credited to a Doctor Tony Prave (at which point I almost jumped up and > wanted to shout out it was Joni but thought better of it ) does anyone know > who he is and whether Joni was quoting him in woodstock? > Thanks for any help > Best > Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:23:30 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lamadoo\)" Subject: Re: we are stardust we are golden I thought Joni was quoting Carl Sagan, the late popularizer of science. It's too technical to have floated up whole, from Joni's subconscious. Maybe some background is useful for those who weren't interested in Astronomy. In the beginning, there was just a lot of hydrogen. Lots and lots of hydrogen. So God said, "I am" and the universe sneezed in an unbelievably profound event nicknamed the Big Bang. After a long time, stars formed and other elements, including Carbon, were forged in the bellies of the first stars. Until stars appeared, there was no Carbon. The first generations of stars died out as the universe continued to expand. Since the Carbon on Earth was all created in these ancient stars, we humans are built of star stuff. Sagan said that the best they can tell now, we are built from 2nd or 3rd generation stars. Sagan sounding like America's Chief Seattle, said, "We are a way for the Universe to be aware of itself." "we are each of us so deep and so superficial between the forceps and the stone." JM Hmmmmm, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:49:23 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: we are stardust we are golden It is possible but Sagan worked for Nasa so you would think that he would have received the credit from them. I would think it was more likely that Joni paraphrased something Sagan said. As for Doctor Tony Prave having said it first I would like to know where the guy who wrote the presentation got his info from. "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lamadoo)" wrote: > I thought Joni was quoting Carl Sagan, the late popularizer of science. > It's too technical to have floated up whole, from Joni's subconscious. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:00:57 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Which Album Next? At 04:52 PM 5/2/00 EDT, BrainEnvy@aol.com wrote: >My next question would be, where should a semi-newbie start in terms of >Joni's music? I already have some of the older recordings, including Blue, >LOTC, For the Roses & Miles of Aisles. Does it make sense to buy the albums >in the order they were recorded, or are some worth hearing before others? Good question that comes up from time to time. Having been one of those who waited year after year for the next Joni project to come out, and then spending more years trying to fully appreciate it, it's hard for me to imagine getting them in anything but chronological order. However, with a lot of other artists, I've started with their most recent album and then worked backward. Doing it this way has not in any way diminished the pleasure of "discovering" new music. Since you are already familiar with Joni's early work, I'd recommend a purchasing pattern based on the albums' timelines. IMO you should start with Court & Spark, then Hissing of Summer Lawns, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, and finally Hejira. Along with Blue and For The Roses which you already have, these albums will capture Joni at her most daring and sublimely creative peak. After all those sink in, and your bank account rebounds, I'd go straight to Night Ride Home and Turbulent Indigo. And if you're still wanting for more after all that you'll have more tough decisions ahead. ;-) One thing's for certain: Joni gives lots of choices...enjoy your journey! Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:04:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Book Recommendations? In a message dated 5/2/00 2:55:53 PM US Central Standard Time, BrainEnvy@aol.com writes: << Does it make sense to buy the albums in the order they were recorded, or are some worth hearing before others? >> Well, Laura, that's one of the many ongoing questions here...What would be really interesting in my estimation is to go in chronological order, at the same time you're picking up the music (starting with "Song To A Seagull"), you can read about the creation of the project, what was going on with Joni & the world around her. Or, you can just jump in at random... "People will tell you where they've been, they'll tell you where to go, but til you get there *yourself* you never really know" (from 'Amelia', one of the songs on Hejira, my personal favorite). Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:16:43 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: cd tree 1 In a message dated 5/2/00 4:53:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Hi all you lovely JIMDLES out there, I have only just joined JMDL,aint it brilliant, and i would love to get hold of a copy of CD tree number 1. Can anybody please help? Blank CDs and return postage supplied of course! "My Best To You", Joe Farrell. >> I have a "Joe Farrell Quartet" album with him and Mahavishnu John McLaughlin. I love their interpretation of "Follow Your Heart." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:17:27 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Book Recommendations? In a message dated 5/2/00 4:56:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BrainEnvy@aol.com writes: << My next question would be, where should a semi-newbie start in terms of Joni's music? I already have some of the older recordings, including Blue, LOTC, For the Roses & Miles of Aisles. Does it make sense to buy the albums in the order they were recorded, or are some worth hearing before others? Thanks once again, Laura >> If you do not yet have Hejira, that would be your next choice. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:33:54 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Entertainment Weekly In a message dated 5/2/00 12:55:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: << But it is also true that they thought Judy wrote the song, as I did also when it became so popular. >> Were you there? Saying it is true doesn't make it so. Maybe it might be better to be less sure of yourself and say you heard such a story,and or at least concede the possibility that somewhere along the way to you the story got convoluted or intentionally changed.In politics, people have been known to spread made-up stories, or convolute the facts to make the person in power, or the opposition, look bad. I remember a certain Republican from the '60s and '70s whose staff became quite renowned for their disinformation tactics. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 20:30:53 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: BSN review in Le Monde JONI MITCHELL Both Sides Now Cet album est une merveille, comme il en existe peu. Les douze titres proposés par Joni Mitchell, rare femme songwriter à s'être planétairement imposée, reviennent sur la grande variété américaine. Dans ce répertoire essentiellement puisé dans les années 30, 40 et 50, Joni Mitchell glisse deux chansons de son cru, Both Sides Now (1967) et A Case of You (1972), preuves par neuf de la haute tenue des compositions de cette magicienne des croisements musicaux américains (du folk au jazz, du rock à la country). L'ensemble est conçu comme un passage au scanner du romantisme contemporain, du flirt à la passion et jusqu'à la désillusion. D'une voix extraordinairement chaleureuse, blues en diable, Joni Mitchell révise avec luxe et volupté You're my Thrill (Sidney Clare - Jay Gorney, 1933), Stormy Weather (Ted Koehler - Harold Arlen, 1933), You've Changed (Bill Carey - Clare Fisher, 1968). Pour réussir ce pari du classicisme extrême, Joni Mitchell a misé sur l'alliance des cordes et du big band. Larry Klein dirige l'ensemble aux côtés de Vince Mendoza. Wayne Shorter (saxophone), Herbie Hancock (piano), Mark Isham (trompette) viennent rappeler en solistes que le jazz est aussi un puits d'élégance. Both Sides Now, dont le livret est orné des oeuvres de Joni Mitchell, également peintre, prône l'urgence du retour à l'équilibre et à l'acceptation des valeurs du sentiment-roi. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 20:33:19 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: amusing translation of Le Monde article From the Alta Vista translation service: oni Mitchell Both Sides Now This album is a wonder, as there exists little about it. The twelve titles proposed by Joni Mitchell, rare woman to have planetarily imposed itself songwriter, reconsider the large American variety. Into this repertory primarily drawn from the Thirties, 40 and 50, Joni Mitchell slips two songs of his vintage, Both Sides Now (1967) and A Puts of You (1972), castings out nines of the high behaviour of the compositions of this magician of the American musical crossings (of the folk to the jazz, of the rock'n'roll to the country). The unit is conceived like a passage to the scanner of the contemporary romanticism, flirt with passion and until disillusion. Of an extraordinarily cordial voice, blues in devil, Joni Mitchell revises with luxury and pleasure You' Re my Thrill (Sidney Clare - Jay Gorney, 1933), Stormy Weather (Ted Koehler - Harold Arlen, 1933), You' ve Changed (Bill Carey - Clare Fisher, 1968). To make a success of this bet of extreme classicisme, Joni Mitchell misé on the alliance of the cords and the big band. Larry Klein directs the unit to the sides of Vince Mendoza. Wayne Shorter (saxophone), Herbie Hancock (piano), Mark Isham (trumpet) come to recall as soloists who the jazz is also a well of elegance. Both Sides Now, whose booklet is decorated works of Joni Mitchell, also painter, preaches the urgency of the return to the balance and the acceptance of the values of the feeling-king. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:59:59 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: amusing translation of Le Monde article At 8:33 PM -0400 5/2/00, Deb Messling wrote: >From the Alta Vista translation service: >The twelve titles proposed by Joni Mitchell, rare woman to have >planetarily imposed itself songwriter, reconsider the large American variety. It just proves my belief that The Tenth World was written about Planet X! :-D NP-Stephen Stills-4&20 - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:23:33 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Entertainment Weekly In a message dated 5/2/2000 12:06:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PitassiM@WEAC.org writes: << I clearly remember reading an article either right before Bill Clinton was elected or shortly after he was inaugurated in which Hillary claimed that their daughter was named after "Chelsea Morning, an old Judy Collins song." Now she still could have been referring to Judy's *version* of the song, but I remember coming away from the article at the time believing that Hillary, like a vast percentage of humanity, believed that Judy had written Joni's song. >> I didn't read the article but heard her say it once on TV. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 22:30:09 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: a new member of the list! From: "Sara *" Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:32:22 EDT Hi!~ My name is Sara, and I have been lurking around the list for a few months now. However, I have been very reluctant to post in the past because I didn't know if I would fit in well with the list - mainly because of my age. I'm 14 (I'll be 15 in about a week). But as I was reading some of the latest posts about teenagers and the music that they listen to (Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, etc.), I decided that it was time for me to finally post a message. While I know teens like me are highly out-numbered, there are a few teens out there that are listening to Joni (and others - some of my other favorites are Joplin and Dylan). (Joni is the best!) :) Yup, as you might figure, I do get picked on because of my love for music that is not popular for people my age, but it's just so much more passionate and 'deep' than the bubble-gum pop music of Britney Spears. So, I have decided that I will fit in with the list just fine - after all, it's not age that matters, it's my love for Joni! Sara - impatiently waiting for when she gets to see Joni in concert for the first time later this month! np - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 02:57:34 EDT From: Guitarpoint@aol.com Subject: Re: joni content in today' nytimes << Who is it that is saying all this? >> And where? Bought the Times today and didn't see anything of the like. Dave ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #170 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?