From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #168 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Monday, May 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 168 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: bad music. [Treehuggergirl25@aol.com] Re: bad music. ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: Brenda/Sales Figures/Soundscan ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: Joni in New Zealand ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Rodney Steinhold [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] Re: bad music. [catman ] Re: Hillary Clinton, Tribute and Rosie thoughts (SJC) [catman ] Geeze ma, not at 5AM AGAIN! (aka Tribute Thoughts) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: WHY ISN'T THERE AN ALT.MUSIC.JONI-MITCHELL??? [Deb Messling ] RE: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars-lyric question ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: entertainment weekly [Jerry Notaro ] Re: New "good" music [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: k.d. lang, Sue M., and "Impossible Dreamer" [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni on VH1 "1970- Behind the Music" ["cassy" ] Fw: Saskatoon postcard ["Ronda Snyder" ] Music Business Careers ["C.A. Starkey" ] Re: - River / Travis [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Music Business Careers ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: June Tabor Cover ["Kakki" ] Re: Music Business Careers Critical Websites For Career Advancement [MDES] Re: Vickie Sue [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Flo and Eddy, Hillary, who chose? [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] Re: June Tabor Cover [SMEBD@aol.com] Tour Photographers - LONG [leslie@torchsongs.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:44:41 EDT From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com Subject: Re: bad music. i think he meant Busta Rymes?? haha. well, i'm sure you're still hip and groovy anyways, !!! Why would you be unhappy about your son "bustin a rhyme"? At least there is some rap that is more ingenius and musicly interesting than Britney Spears....besides, she's just a wanna be hip hop girl anyway... Guitarpoint@aol.com wrote: > << Does anyone cringe whenever they think of all the new groups coming out > these days ... N Sync, backstreet boys, ect?>> > > I'm sick of all the 9-16 year old prodigies in pop music > (publicity term) but I am happy when my son brings home Brittany Spears > melodies and not bustin a rhyme. ( me at 39 tryin to sound like one hip and > groovy father) Dave c > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) by air-ye02.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:06:20 -0400 Received: from sarah.smoe.org (sarah.smoe.org [24.30.216.56]) by rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:06:07 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) by sarah.smoe.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABC16FC2; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id WAA23193; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:05:00 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id WAA23172 for joni-outgoing; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id WAA23165 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from killinggoliath.com (we-24-30-104-46.we.mediaone.net [24.30.104.46]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18261; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <390CE5F4.CA081C50@killinggoliath.com> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:03:32 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Guitarpoint@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: bad music. References: <34.48af0a4.263e3f0b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Reply-To: "Brenda J. Walker" Precedence: bulk >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:49:53 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: bad music. I wondered about that....if so Busta is STILL better than Britney! Treehuggergirl25@aol.com wrote: > i think he meant Busta Rymes?? haha. well, i'm sure you're still hip and > groovy anyways, !!! > > Why would you be unhappy about your son "bustin a rhyme"? At least there is > some rap that is more ingenius and musicly interesting than Britney > Spears....besides, she's just a wanna be hip hop girl anyway... > > Guitarpoint@aol.com wrote: > > > << Does anyone cringe whenever they think of all the new groups coming out > > these days ... N Sync, backstreet boys, ect?>> > > > > I'm sick of all the 9-16 year old prodigies in pop music > > (publicity term) but I am happy when my son brings home Brittany Spears > > melodies and not bustin a rhyme. ( me at 39 tryin to sound like one hip and > > groovy father) Dave c > > > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) > by air-ye02.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:06:20 -0400 > Received: from sarah.smoe.org (sarah.smoe.org [24.30.216.56]) by > rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:06:07 -0400 > Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) > by sarah.smoe.org (Postfix) with ESMTP > id 5ABC16FC2; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:06:06 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id WAA23193; > Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:05:06 -0400 (EDT) > Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:05:00 -0400 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id WAA23172 > for joni-outgoing; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:04:42 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net > [24.130.1.20]) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id WAA23165 > for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:04:36 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from killinggoliath.com (we-24-30-104-46.we.mediaone.net > [24.30.104.46]) > by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18261; > Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:04:33 -0700 (PDT) > Message-ID: <390CE5F4.CA081C50@killinggoliath.com> > Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:03:32 -0700 > From: "Brenda J. Walker" > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) > X-Accept-Language: en,pdf > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: Guitarpoint@aol.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: bad music. > References: <34.48af0a4.263e3f0b@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com > Reply-To: "Brenda J. Walker" > Precedence: bulk > > >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:52:10 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Brenda/Sales Figures/Soundscan jw1327@rcn.com wrote: > Hello Again! > > I would definitely be interested in seeing the report on Joni's sales > figures- and am most interested to know how these figures wee attained! > I have long wondered about her actual numbers! Are these SAoundscan > figures? And if so, how does one have access to them?? Yes, they are Soundscan figures. To access them, you have to have an account with Soundscan. It's very expensive and I only have access to one because of a label affiliation. I'll send you the report separately. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:55:34 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: last week's record sales Sue Cameron wrote: > I copied this from an article I was reading: > > Top sales increase of the week went to singer Christina Aguilera, whose > eponymous first album (RCA) was up 8,000 copies over its previous week's > figures. > > Other significant sales gainers were rock group Creed's "Human Clay" > (Windup) -- up 7,000 copies; rapper Jay-Z's "Life and Times of S. Carter" > (Rock-A-Fella/Def Jam); the various artists' two-CD Christian compilation > "Wow Worship Orange" (Integrity/Word/Epic); and singer-songwriter Joni > Mitchell's "Both Sides Now" (Warner Bros.), all of which were up 6,000 > units. > > That should make the folks at Warner Brothers happy! > > Can our new guru tell us in layman's terms what this means? This basically meant that BSN was one of the biggest gainers on the chart, which translates to some increase in popularity, whether it's a hit single on the radio, a hit video on MTV or something like that. I think Joni's big jump was due to the advertising for the special. And this last week, her actual sales didn't drop that much but because of new entries on the chart and big increases at the top she lost alot of positions. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:10:24 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: WHY ISN'T THERE AN ALT.MUSIC.JONI-MITCHELL??? Could someone give me one reason that Joni doesn't have a newsgroup on Usenet?Many bands and musical artists of Joni's stature(arguably)and WAY below Joni's stature have newsgroups,I don't at all see why Joni doesn't have a newsgroup?Does anyone know how to start alt.music.joni-mitchell,or rec.music.joni-mitchell,or alt.fan.joni-mitchell or whatever the adrees would be? I put my header in CAPS so people would take notice-and we can get something going hopefully!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:45:40 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: bad music. In a message dated 4/30/00 10:21:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << No,it's not just a matter of preferance.The music sucks.It's trash,"musical junk food for juveniles" as Joni put it.There are millions of people who share your views. >> Millions who share your views and tens of millions who are buying those records. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:48:38 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: WHY ISN'T THERE AN ALT.MUSIC.JONI-MITCHELL??? In a message dated 4/30/00 11:13:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << Could someone give me one reason that Joni doesn't have a newsgroup on Usenet?Many bands and musical artists of Joni's stature(arguably)and WAY below Joni's stature have newsgroups,I don't at all see why Joni doesn't have a newsgroup?Does anyone know how to start alt.music.joni-mitchell,or rec.music.joni-mitchell,or alt.fan.joni-mitchell or whatever the adrees would be? >> Between JoniMitchell.com and the Joni Mitchell Discussion List here, what is it you find lacking that you feel the need for Usenet or whatever it is? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:49:47 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: WHY ISN'T THERE AN ALT.MUSIC.JONI-MITCHELL??? In a message dated 4/30/00 11:13:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << Could someone give me one reason that Joni doesn't have a newsgroup on Usenet?Many bands and musical artists of Joni's stature(arguably)and WAY below Joni's stature have newsgroups,I don't at all see why Joni doesn't have a newsgroup?Does anyone know how to start alt.music.joni-mitchell,or rec.music.joni-mitchell,or alt.fan.joni-mitchell or whatever the adrees would be? >> Between Jonimitchell.com and the Joni Mitchell Discussion List here, what is it you find lacking that you feel the need for something else, whether it be Usenet or whatever? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:05:54 EDT From: Guitarpoint@aol.com Subject: Re: bad music. << musical junk for juveniles>> I made a comment earlier about my son bringing Brittany home ( CD's ) and kept my response on the light side but I must admitt as a music teacher ( classical and flamenco guitar ) I have an abundance of 6 to 10 year old kids wanting to learn the guitar. They have a more defined sense of melody and actually enjoy the classical melodies we do as a result of the syrup melodies in all those formula pop ( POOP ) tunes, AND they stick with the instrument longer as opposed to just wanting to bang the instrument and getting bored. Steady income for daddy and a chance to add to their musical development, AND more little girls are taking up the guitar whereas before I had all boy students. So in a way, it's shit that can be turned into butter. ( Russian Saying ) Dave c ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 00:54:28 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Another cover On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > This week alone I laid down 15 > more songs for Volume 3, the CD's just about full! Someone should hook Bob up with June Tabor's version of "Fiddle and the Drum" (on _Abyssinians_ -- a classic album). I must say, if you were only going to do *one* Joni cover in your distinguished 25-year career, this wouldn't be the one I'd pick, but I'm thankful for everything June records (and Joni writes). - --David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:19:58 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni in New Zealand I asked: >Does anyone know if this tour took place, and if so, did Joni make it to >NZ? Thanks to everyone that responded to this - but I'm not happy I was wrong. Here I was thinking "poor me, never had the opportunity to see Joni live" and she WAS here! My only defense is that I was only 16 at the time, living at home, and half a country away (and hadn't yet bought my first Joni album)! Mind you, it appears that she only played Wellington, which surprises me in that Auckland has more people, but doesn't surprise me because I'm sure she'd still get a bigger audience in Wellington. No disrespect to any other Aucklanders lurking here - I'm from Auckland too - but Wellington (IMHO - and I've lived in both cities) is the cultural capital of NZ as well as the political capital! And Gerald also asked: >Don't you think that she's due for her second performing visit downunder ?? To which I reply - absolutely, without a doubt! My God, that would be heaven! And it has been nearly 20 years! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:59:22 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Rodney Steinhold Sorry Joni Only List: I need to contact Rodney Steinhold and I'm not sure which List he frequents. Rodney could you please e-mail me :-) Thanking you, Vanessa, ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 07:49:50 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: bad music. Treehuggergirl25@aol.com wrote: > And those girls like Brittney Spears I was reading a newspaper yesterday and a reviewer of Ms Spears' latest record referred to her as 'silly little tart'! I was appalled. Okay so don't like the music and criricsie that but to name call like that is childish and nasty. In fact I would have thought it was libelous. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 08:21:44 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Hillary Clinton, Tribute and Rosie thoughts (SJC) And by the way...despite the hair loss, I think JT is > damn good-looking still! Reminds me of the Christine Lavin song: I Love Bald > Headed Men! It's hilarious! Dont ask me why, cos I have no idea, but I think men going bald or who are bald are sexy. I high forehead, no hair on top, no hair at all, all adds to the attractivenss I think. Mind you it is still in the eyes! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 08:39:28 +0100 From: catman Subject: found this http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8678/ssjonimitchell.html maybe you all red it already! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:09:40 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Geeze ma, not at 5AM AGAIN! (aka Tribute Thoughts) MG at MGVal@aol.com wrote >I had a sub-thought running through my mind about >whether or not it was hard for Joni to watch some, >all or any of these performances. The people were, >after all, tampering with her works of art. I truly doubt it. When you hear someone sing a song you've written it takes your breath away. Singing is not a competition. And with Joni, these are all really good songs, after all. Her versions are there for all time and who here doesn't get a thrill out of trying to sing them? Unless she absolutely hates the person and what they stand for, she would have to be dead inside not to feel the joy of that expression - and a little pleased that they bothered to take the time to learn them. PaulC (off for a banjo session). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:25:47 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Geeze ma, not at 5AM AGAIN! (aka Tribute Thoughts) MG wrote: >I had a sub-thought running through my mind about >whether or not it was hard for Joni to watch some, >all or any of these performances. The people were, >after all, tampering with her works of art. And Paul replied: >I truly doubt it. When you hear someone sing a song >you've written it takes your breath away. Singing is not >a competition. And with Joni, these are all really good >songs, after all. Her versions are there for all time and >who here doesn't get a thrill out of trying to sing them? I would also think it would be pretty hypocritical if she DID think that, considering she's just released an album of covers (even if they are "standards"), ie. other people's songs! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:38:07 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Info on Artists Who Cover Joni's Songs Sorry for rehashing something that may no longer be a thread (being away from the List for 5 days make you think you are CEO of one international agency... 600+ emails!). I was thinking if those of you who contributed to Bob's (fantastic!) project could write a 1-paragraph description of the artist you sent for inclusion in the "Covers and Contributions", we can probably inveigle other List members to check out the outputs of these artists. I, for one, didn't know about Brian Kennedy until I heard his heart-rending "A Case of You" in Vol. 2 Disc 2, but I will make sure I'll have his albums soon because anyone who can sing that sensitively may have other material that may appeal to what I consider good and heart-felt singing. We can probably have a site for Bob's "Covers and Contributions" project where anyone can just go to and read more about the artists who covered Joni. As for the artists I contributed to the project, here's some information: Kevyn Lettau, Sharon Cuneta, > Kevyn Lettau grew up in Germany and trained as a dancer. She sang with Sergio Mendes and was married to Mike Shapiro. She released 6 albums already: (1) Kevyn Lettau [(debut) although known in some countries as "Your Smile"] - features Sergio Mendes on piano in Lettau's new version of "Bridges". Also contains "I Get a Kick Out of You" and bossa-nova staples written by Dori Caymi (sp?), Milton Nascimento, et al. (2) BrazilJazz (3) Simple Life (where her "People's Parties" was taken) (4) Another Season (5) Language of Flowers Sharon Cuneta is a pop icon in Manila, Philippines. She is an award-winning actress, producer, TV host, singer, and is a successful endorser of products. She started singing at age 12 and has since recorded songs from movies where she appeared in. Her life is fodder for gossip magazines because of her rocky marriage to a philandering actor, her being the daughter of one of the most famous city mayors of Metro Manila, and her choice of leading men in movies. Her BSN version was taken from her latest album "When I Love" and has since been on massive airplay in major radio stations of the country. In fact, it was Sharon who insisted that BSN be the first song played from her album for the radio airplay. I am happy that at least BSN and Joni get noticed. But sometimes to such an extent that its played almost everywhere. Joseph np: Pink Floyd "UmmaGumma" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:54:33 +0200 From: Rome Subject: pony keg > Coyote > Casa Alegre > Hollywood, California > I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. Yeah, Yeah, go to Jackson, you big talkin' man! Tube ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 06:44:40 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: WHY ISN'T THERE AN ALT.MUSIC.JONI-MITCHELL??? There IS an alt.music.joni-mitchell. If you search for Usenet groups at Deja.com, you'll find it. It's not very active - not anything at all like our JMDL. At 11:49 PM 4/30/00 -0400, you wrote: ><< Could someone give me one reason that Joni doesn't have a > newsgroup on Usenet? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 07:32:10 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars-lyric question I listened to For The Roses (brilliant, totally brilliant!) on Saturday while folding mountains of laundry and I'm wondering about the line: "In the court they carve your legend with an apple in its jaw". I'm not sure if this has been brought up on the list before, nor do I know if this comment is common knowledge to Ludwig fans, but I'd love to know or to hear people's speculations. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 07:34:17 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: WHY ISN'T THERE AN ALT.MUSIC.JONI-MITCHELL??? Alt.newsgroups are invariable plagued by x-rated adds and stupid x-rated minds. Who needs that. A newsgroup could be about "motherhood" and you get vulgar assholes in 10 seconds inflicting their stupidity upon the group. Eventually they all get it. One of the absolute best things about JMDL is that we do not have such intrusions. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 07:53:07 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: found this Colin writes: << http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8678/ssjonimitchell.html maybe you all red it already! >> Maybe someone has posted this altavista site before, but I never saw it. The best thing about it is if you scroll down thru the article, you can click on photos of Joni and there are hundreds of them! Thanks for the tip Colin. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:16:20 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars-lyric question In a message dated 5/1/00 7:35:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << I listened to For The Roses (brilliant, totally brilliant!) on Saturday while folding mountains of laundry and I'm wondering about the line: "In the court they carve your legend with an apple in its jaw". I'm not sure if this has been brought up on the list before, nor do I know if this comment is common knowledge to Ludwig fans, but I'd love to know or to hear people's speculations. Take care, Gina >> You know of the tradition of putting an apple in the mouth of a roasted pig? Well, Joni is saying that Ludwig was served up like a fatted pig to the court, probably Napolean. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:12:38 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: New "good" music >>does anyone besides me cringe whenever they think of all the new groups coming out these days.....<< Yes, some of the new groups make me cringe... and then there are some newer artists that really restore my faith in the "new music" scene. Not ALL of the new music is bad! Shannon Curfman has recently released her debut album, "Loud Guitars, Big Suspicions." On the new album she sings every song, plays lead guitar on most of the cuts and wrote over half of the tunes. During the past year she has opened for such groups as Tab Benoit, Delbert McClinton, the Fabulous Thunderbirds, John Mellencamp and Steve Miller. She sat in with Jonny Lang and Jeff Healy and has recently spent time in Memphis, writing songs with some of the areas best tunesmiths. Reviewers are calling her "the princess of soul," "a seasoned blues singer," "a real belter, with a big Janis Joplin-like delivery," and "a blues sensation who sings like a legend." On top of all this, she has just signed with a major record label (Arista Records). This sounds like a pretty impressive resume for any seasoned blues singer. What's remarkable here, however, is that Shannon has done all of this before she even turned 14. Born July 31, 1985, Shannon Curfman is a young blues phenomenon. Singing before she could barely talk, Shannon began playing the guitar when she was 10, saying her biggest overall influence was Jonny Lang, "because he's an amazing musician, and also because he was a young musician just starting to break out. He was the first person I ever saw that played blues. Robert Johnson also made a huge impact on me." Lang also played guitar on several tracks of her new album. Shannon is a fresh young talent with an impressively mature voice. You just have to wonder what she'll be up to by the time she's old enough to drive. Another great newer musician is Susan Tedeschi, she was nominated for a Grammy this past year for best new artist. With a voice that is frequently compared with Janis Joplin, Bonnie Raitt and Etta James, and a guitar style influenced by Johnny Guitar Watson, Magic Sam and Freddie King, Susan has taken her influences and sculpted them into a style all her own. With the release of her national debut CD, "Just Won't Burn" on Tone-Cool Records, Susan's profile has continued to grow: she's had a top-15 Triple-A radio hit with "It Hurt So Bad," has toured with Buddy Guy, Jonny Lang, BB King, Dr John and Delbert McClinton, has graced the covers of Pollstar and Blues Revue magazines, and registered one of the top selling albums in the country. Susan's from-the-heart vocals and stinging guitar work combined with her charismatic stage presence and electrifying live performances, have caused listeners and critics nationwide to take notice. If you take the time to go beyond what the DJs constantly spin on the Top-40 stations, you will find that there really are some wonderful newer talents. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:24:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars-lyric question though i'm not sure about whose court joni is talking about, i've always thought along the same lines. wallyk - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: ; Enviado: Lunes 1 de Mayo de 2000 09:16 Asunto: Re: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars-lyric question > In a message dated 5/1/00 7:35:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ginamu@aol.com > writes: > > << I listened to For The Roses (brilliant, totally brilliant!) on Saturday > while > folding mountains of laundry and I'm wondering about the line: "In the court > they carve your legend with an apple in its jaw". I'm not sure if this has > been brought up on the list before, nor do I know if this comment is common > knowledge to Ludwig fans, but I'd love to know or to hear people's > speculations. > > Take care, > Gina > >> > You know of the tradition of putting an apple in the mouth of a roasted pig? > Well, Joni is saying that Ludwig was served up like a fatted pig to the > court, probably Napolean. > > Paul I > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:54:45 +0300 From: JP Subject: entertainment weekly hi, the program i saw on tv with joni & hillary must have been "entertainment today", not 'weekly'. is 'ew' a magazine? sorry for the confusion. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 09:30:30 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: entertainment weekly MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 00-04-30 13:05:41 EDT, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > > << > Actually, it's true. It wasn't until the Clintons met Judy at the White > House that they discovered that Joni, and not Judy, had written the > song. Jerry > >> > > HILLARIOUS....the Clintons invited JUDY COLLINS but not Joni. Absolutely > clueless. I am rolling on the floor at this point. The whole matter is > getting deeper. This entire Hillary appearance is now resembling a Dan Quayle > bonk-up. Nowhere does it say the Clintons invited her. She appeared as part of the Inaugural entertainment at the invitation of the chair of the committee because the Clintons liked Judy Collins recording. Since they didn't even know Joni had written CM (not uncommon) it makes perfect sense to me. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:45:26 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: New "good" music In a message dated 5/1/00 8:19:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cassysweet@email.msn.com writes: << She sat in with Jonny Lang and Jeff Healy and has recently spent time in Memphis, writing songs with some of the areas best tunesmiths. Reviewers are calling her "the princess of soul," "a seasoned blues singer," "a real belter, with a big Janis Joplin-like delivery," >> yes! and jonny lang and jeff healy are no slouches either and certainly not old. jeff healy maybe is older...mid 30's or so. i think he was thirty when he did his first album, ..see the light....and of course, he's blind. but talk about talent. and execution. great post cassy. pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:53:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: k.d. lang, Sue M., and "Impossible Dreamer" - --- MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > I am dreaming of K.D. lang in a gorgeous Armani > formal gown with her hair > absolutely manicured and styled by the best stylist > in the world, makeup > administered by New Yorks finest and stylish Italian > shoes and real diamond > pendant earrings......ah but Im being an Impossible > Dreamer. marcel. Marcel, have you ever seen kd's "Miss Chatelaine" video? You'd probably love her outfit in that - very feminine - she looked like a prom queen, so to speak. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:21:47 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Joni on VH1 "1970- Behind the Music" For anyone who missed last nights show, I must say it was quite enjoyable! I was roped into watching the '70s mini series (which is awful)........I think it was made just to sell the soundtrack to us boomers. I did record "Behind the Music" and watched it this morning. Joni is only in the hour special for about 3 minutes. They have clips of her singing "BYT" and a couple of statements from her about the early '70s. They talked about how some singer/songwriters turned their backs on politics to search for greater meanings in their everyday lives. The music at the time had shifted away from Janis Joplin and Grace Slick to Carole King and Joni Mitchell. Joni said "What I was thinking about basically was the only cure for all of this is love and *what is that*? " Looking at Joni in this special, it appears to me that it was a recent interview. Overall, the entire special was pretty good and informative. ( I had no idea Crissie Hynde was a sophomore at Kent State during the riots ), and Bernie Taupin is looking pretty good these days :~) If you look at the website that Jim J. has posted on JM.Com, I'm pretty sure this will be aired a few more times. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:54:39 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re:- River / Travis Pat wrote:- just saw this on the rt list and thought it fit here. i've never heard of travis aside from mark n travis. pat ==== Anyhow, I'd heard the second Travis album at his place last year, more or less in the background, and didn't find it objectionable. I'd actually found "Why does it always rain on me" to be a classic sort of pop single - something that The Turtles might have done in the Sixties, maybe - without realising who the band was. And then came the slight revelation. I was in the record store in January, and they were playing a really creditable version of Joni Mitchell's "River" - done quite straight. I discovered this was an extra track on a Travis single, which I bought on spec - then went back next day to get the second album. I've played both discs quite a lot since, and while I don't think they're in the same league as some of my alltimefaves, I still haven't tired of them. I've heard other stuff too, by Travis, which makes me think I'd enjoy them live. In particular I like the fact that they do (with apparent enjoyment/respect) older material by other artistes (like Joni, the Beatles and even Britney Spears!) Shows they are not so wound up in their infallible belief that they need to write all their own material - which is where many another contemporary band comes unstuck. - ---------------------------- Travis are a talented Scottish band, very big in the UK right now. They also covered "Urge for Going" very much in the same way - i.e. as an extra track on just one of two editions of a single, I forget which one now. They are clearly big Joni fans. They have just released a new single but, as yet I don't know whether it has any hidden Joni on it. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:19:17 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: Graham? Anyone know why Graham wasn't at the tribute? Are they still touring, is that it? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:15:20 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: Joni on VH1 "1970- Behind the Music" Jimmy said: > Joni is only in the hour special for about 3 minutes. They have > clips of her singing "BYT" and a couple of statements from her > about the early '70s. What I really liked was the comment about how the singer/songwriters of the 60's were moving transitionally into the "complete musicians" of the 70's then segued into the piece about Joni very shortly after that, inferring that Joni was one of those "complete musicians." Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:21:40 EDT From: Dolphnwomn@aol.com Subject: Re: k.d. lang, Sue M., and "Impossible Dreamer" Sue wrote: << I wish with all my heart that I could clone myself and get to the Jonifest in New orleans this year, but alas, that's Cornell graduation weekend and I owe my soul to the company store! :-( >> Ah, but that leaves the New England Labor Day Jonifest wide open for you to attend! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 10:33:59 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Fwd: Re: TNT Tape can any kind soul help this gal who wrote her request to catgirl's list? pat ps - I'd also like to get a copy... pleeeze? - --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Mon, 01 May 2000 16:28:21 From: "RA Murphy" To: JoniMitchellfans@egroups.com Hello Everybody, I subscribed to this list last week with one goal in mind. I hope I am posting to the right list for this request. I promised to tape the TNT Joni Mitchell tribute for a friend last month. Which I did. Then I accidentally taped over it. I've got to replace this tape! I live in Seattle, Washington. Is there anybody on this list from Seattle who would be willing to let me borrow their tape so I could dub it? Or is there anybody on this list who would be willing to dub their tape and mail it to me? I would reimburse them for any expenses (tape and shipping costs). Please let me know. Thank you. Rosie Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:52:46 -0400 From: "Ronda Snyder" Subject: Fw: Saskatoon postcard Hi fellow JMDL'ers....for anyone who might be heading to Saskatoon in the near future...? JMDL newbie and 30 year joniphile..Thanks!! Ronda Snyder http://home.att.net/~ronda.snyder - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 11:24 AM Subject: Saskatoon postcard > Hello, > I am a postcard collector from Guelph, Ontario. I have a large > collection of postcards (7500) from all over the world but still none > from Saskatoon. I collect postcards with city views, famous buildings, > historic places and landscapes. I would like to ask you for a small > favour to send me one postcard from Saskatoon to help me make my > collection more complete. Please help, it is very important for my > collection. My > address > is; > Janos Bajusz > 702-40 Vanier Drive > Guelph, Ontario > N1G-2X7 > Canada > Hope to hear from you very soon. > Best wishes, > Janos > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:53:12 -0400 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Music Business Careers Darn, I really hate the vague world wide web! Does anyone know of a good music careers website? One that lists all the jobs available and the requirements needed to get such job? This is extremely urgent. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:07:00 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: - River / Travis In a message dated 5/1/00 11:54:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Gertus writes: << Travis are a talented Scottish band, very big in the UK right now. They also covered "Urge for Going" very much in the same way - i.e. as an extra track on just one of two editions of a single, I forget which one now. They are clearly big Joni fans. They have just released a new single but, as yet I don't know whether it has any hidden Joni on it. Jacky >> thanks very much jacky. travis seems to be very popular among the rt fans but that list also seems to be more u.k. centered which makes sense now based on what you have said. pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:14:53 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Music Business Careers Try velvetrope.com and showbizjobs.com for job listings. As for careers, here's a link that's pretty good "C.A. Starkey" wrote: > Darn, I really hate the vague world wide web! > Does anyone know of a good music careers website? > One that lists all the jobs available and the requirements needed > to get such job? > > This is extremely urgent. > > Carol ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:16:32 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Music Business Careers Sorry...forgot the link... Try velvetrope.com and showbizjobs.com for job listings. As for careers, here's a link that's pretty good http://www.lamn.com/html/lamn.html "C.A. Starkey" wrote: > Darn, I really hate the vague world wide web! > Does anyone know of a good music careers website? > One that lists all the jobs available and the requirements needed > to get such job? > > This is extremely urgent. > > Carol ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:37:41 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Vickie Sue Vickie Sue Robinson just passed. Here from one of the srticle: In 1975, Vicki Sue signed with RCA to do her first LP, "NEVER GONNA LET YOU GO". She received a GRAMMY nomination for Best Female Vocalist of 1976, for the single "TURN THE BEAT AROUND", nominated along with Linda Ronstatd, Natalie Cole, Emmilou Harris and Joni Mitchell. That year she also won the BILLBOARD award for #1 POP ALBLUM of the Year, New Female Artist Category. That means I guess that Joni was nominated Best Vocalist for Hejira? How interesting. We here mostly honor her writing and playing genius. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:58:33 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: June Tabor Cover David Wright wrote: > Someone should hook Bob up with June Tabor's version of >"Fiddle and the Drum" (on _Abyssinians_ -- a classic >album). I must say, if you were only going to do *one* Joni >cover in your distinguished 25-year career, this wouldn't be >the one I'd pick, but I'm thankful for everything June records >(and Joni writes). Oh no! I actually did come across one copy of this CD the other day but for some reason thought Bob already had it! David - maybe you or someone else could send a copy of it to Bob. I think it needs to be included, especially since it is one of Joni's more obscure songs. I also like Joseph's idea of doing a little background write-up on the cover artists. Kakki NP: Nick Drake - Three Hours ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:45:11 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Music Business Careers Critical Websites For Career Advancement Dear Janice there are several that I know of and here they are: 1) www.castingcouch.com : At this site you basically arrange to be "interviewed" by a high ranking Industry rep with a major recording label.The er, uh, "interview" can take between 3 minutes and two or more hours but can lead to trips abroad with the industry executive himself. There will be indications of all kinds of things that this executive will do for you in the future and a promise to "keep in touch". A weekend in the near future at a remote carribean resort will be potentially offered "to listen to your tapes". 2) www.ripyouroriginaltunesoff.com : At this site you pay them money for the privilege of having them vette your songs. After months of waiting you may or may not hear back from them. You may also hear the song you wrote being sung by some established artist with the lyrics changed slightly. Its a thrill to know you have what it takes but then you need another internet address www.endlesslitigationtonoavail.com. 3) www.knowanindustrylawyer.com : At this site you get a chance to give someone tens of thousands of dollars in retainer fees and wait the customary 12-18 months while your legal representative shops your songs or demos around. Success here is spotty at best as with most sites of this kind (regardless of the advertising or reputation) BUT you will recieve letters occasionally which give you hope and make you think success is just around the corner with an additional 6 months retainer for the valuable time being spent NOT shopping your songs but subsidizing vacations and golf outings of industry executives. 4) www.beborntoapublishersattorney.com : Perhaps the best but most exclusive net address for music careers is this one. Super selective. If you are selected by the man upstairs to enter this website you will be offerred access to the best studios, best producers, millions in advertising and promotion and a date with the industry executive of your choosing as well as trips and guest spots on virtually all the best radio stations and MTV EVEN if you have lousey or zilch product. This seems to be the only website which guarantees a succesful career launch. However be fair warned that after the expensive career launch phase it is a high probability that you will be sent to www.intothediscardbinswithyourcrappyfinalproduct.com. 5) www.sneakintoorgivesexualfavorstogetintoanindustryparty.com : Now this is risky and tricky BUT has been known to work. It involves first finding the location and time of then by hook or crook literally sneaking into a party for industry execs wherby you get to meet them and achieve an email address at www.castingcouch.com. It is recommended that you bring your demo and females are recommended that they allow the executive to obtain the demo with their own hands from the front of your brassiere (you better need one). 6) www.pornomovieproductions.com : More or less a self descriptive website to begin a music career which has worked for many. While this is basically a film oriented site if you successfully gain acceptance at this site virtually all the other sites immediately become available to your access in the music industry. 7) www.slaveawaywithrealtallentbutnoinsiderlawyer.com : Of course you can do it the old fashioned way with real ability but this website requires an immediate 15 to 20 year waiting period during which, if you, with your own money, tons of ability, and a major stroke of luck (or an invitation into one of the other websites) actually are able to sell 150,000 records you will be granted immediate access to www.ripyouroriginaltunesoff.com. 8) www.temporaryofficeworker.com : virtually all other access to the music business is achieved at this web address. There is no hope BUT you get a chance to enter websites 5 & 3 if youve got what it takes....know...what...I...mean. It may comfort you to know that all the other people you meet actually IN the music industry all obtained their positions through one of these websites. Go get'em tiger. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:47:55 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Vickie Sue Actually I think it would be the nomination for HOSL since Hejira wasn't released until November. That would be something if she won for Hejira, wouldn't it? At 3:37 PM -0400 5/1/00, Jerry Notaro wrote: >That means I guess that Joni was nominated Best Vocalist for Hejira? How >interesting. We here mostly honor her writing and playing genius. > >Jerry - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:57:30 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: Flo and Eddy, Hillary, who chose? In a message dated 4/30/00 12:54:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, CarltonCT@aol.com writes: Clark Wrote: << a parody of Joni Mitchell done by Flo and Eddy (sp?). Does anyone remember these guys? They were kind of the Weird Al Yankovich (sp?) of the early Seventies and did parodies of other bands and singers. >> Coyote Responds: OMG...Flo and Eddy? Yes, I do remember them and have a record of theirs somewhere in the vault. Didn't they have some popular top 40 hit(ish) that probably made me buy the album? Can't recall. No regrets, Coyote Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:18:12 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: June Tabor Cover In a message dated 05/01/2000 4:09:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << I also like Joseph's idea of doing a little background write-up on the cover artists. > Adrienne Barbeau needs an introduction??????? ;-D Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:40:50 -0700 (PDT) From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Tour Photographers - LONG Hello: Thanks to Jim I will be taking photographs at Joni's Bay Area (Chronicle Pavilion) show. Jim still needs two more photographers for the tour; he asked me to post this message: Hi to all you JMDL folks from JoniMitchell.com! I know you're all as excited about the upcoming BSN tour as I am -- it's going to be quite a show. I'm writing because I need experienced photographers for the Philly and Atlanta shows (I've got people lined up for the other dates already). Time is of the essence. I have to get a list of photographers in to management immediately! I'll get you a photo pass so you can go right up to the edge of the stage for probably the first three songs and snap away. You’ll probably need to use very fast film because of the low light levels; when I took pictures during the tour with Dylan, photos shot with 800-speed film came out too dark and I had to switch to grainier (but still acceptable) 1600-speed film to get shots that were bright enough. An extra long lens is always a plus so you can zoom in, but there’s a drawback to zooming -- the tiniest shake of the camera can easily be “amplified” in those cases, resulting in a blurry picture. Then again, you may already know all about the ins and outs of concert photography, in which case the best thing you could do would be to just ignore everything I’m saying here! Some people are also using digital cameras (which of course will help a lot as far as getting the pictures to me in a timely manner goes). As you probably know, one of the aims on JoniMitchell.com has always been getting the word out to the world quickly, so I’m hoping everyone can do a quick turnaround and get their pictures back to me as soon as they can (if the pictures don't go up until two weeks after the concert, it's just not as much fun and I get lots of nasty email)! I’ll get everything up on the site as fast as I can put the pages together. It’s going to be essentially the same thing that went up the last time, a story by the official JoniMitchell.com reporter, followed by other reports from anybody who wants to send one in. If you want to refresh your memory, you can see what was done in ‘98 by clicking on “Tour Info” in the left hand window of the site’s screen and following any of the links for the ‘98 concerts, or you can just pull up the tour page by itself for 1998 at Joni Mitchell: Tour Info (if the link doesn't work, that's http://www.jonimitchell.com/TourHome.html#1998). If you'd like to do this, please send me an email at JoniMessages@aol.com right away! I need to send a list of names over to management by Wednesday. Let me know if you'd also like to write the report as official JoniMitchell.com reporter too. If not, that’s OK -- the reporter isn’t something that requires a pass from management, so I have a little more “wiggle time” to pull it together. Last time around, management supplied one pass for each show (most everyone also had a ticket) and that person did the photos and the reporting. But that's a lot of work, and I'd like to give more people the chance to participate anyway. Right now I’m working primarily on who’s doing the photography so I can get the list in to management, but I need Fabulous Writers as well as Fabulous Photographers for some shows; I'll be filling out the reporters roster next week. Many thanks… Leslie Mixon ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #168 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?