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onlyJMDL Digest      Wednesday, April 26 2000      Volume 2000 : Number 160



The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be
found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news,
a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more.

---

The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains
interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more.

---

Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations
going directly towards the upkeep of the <JoniMitchell.com> website.
Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US
to help Jim continue.

If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks
payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to:

Ashara Stansfield
P.O. Box 215
Topsfield, MA. 01983
USA

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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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  Tribute List                        [Michael Paz <michaelpaz@telocity.com>]
  Re: feed back and thanks from Kurt                      [SCJoniGuy@aol.com]
  from another list             [Jerry Notaro <notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>]
  Re: Joni Mitchell 2000 U.S. tour - a request          [Guitarpoint@aol.com]
  Re: feed back and thanks from Kurt                        [MDESTE1@aol.com]
  Re: tribute CD                                           [Pbart123@aol.com]
  Re: from another list                                  [Siresorrow@aol.com]
  did she look old, ???                            [Treehuggergirl25@aol.com]
  (no subject)                                     [Treehuggergirl25@aol.com]
  Re: friends and joni          [Catherine McKay <catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca>]
  Jane Griffin                       ["Mike Hicks" <m_hicks@aiken.k12.sc.us>]
  Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #207         ["Mike Hicks" <m_hicks@aiken.k12.sc.us>]
  Marking content                        ["cassy" <cassysweet@email.msn.com>]
  On a Tribute, 10 Questions (...maybe there were more)  [Bounced Message <l]
  Columbia House Sale on Joni!           ["cassy" <cassysweet@email.msn.com>]
  Re: toontown, krall, and giving up baby  [Catherine McKay <catrin_of_arago]
  new member's thoughts                         [Lucy Ijams <lija1@home.com>]
  Re: new member's thoughts     [Jerry Notaro <notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>]
  Re: new member's thoughts                  [Don Rowe <dgrowe227@yahoo.com>]
  I need to go digest!                                    [WrknPrgss@aol.com]
  My Crude MS Comment On Joni's Voice    [Medric Faulkner <megg56@yahoo.com>]
  Re: new member's thoughts         [catman <catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk>]
  <no subject>                     ["Alison Einerson" <alisone@kirkhams.com>]
  Joni interview in May Downbeat  ["William C. Burnworth" <cspring@gs.verio.]
  TNT special                                     [Mark T <MarkT@placak.com>]
  My Joni Easter                          [Deb Messling <messling@enter.net>]
  Re: new member's thoughts               [Deb Messling <messling@enter.net>]
  [none]                                 [Carly Hart <CarlyHrt@netscape.net>]
  Re: Welcome Carly (VLJC)                                    [FMYFL@aol.com]
  Fwd: FREE Joni Mitchell DOWNLOADS!  [Brian Gross <BrianGross@rocketmail.co]
  Fwd: FREE Joni Mitchell and Shelby Lynne DOWNLOADS!  ["P. Henry" <badwolff]
  re: Joni Moment                         ["Ray & Cathy" <rsax@pacifier.com>]
  Re: Joni Moment                                          [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
  Re: Joni Moment                        [Randy Remote <guitarzan@saber.net>]
  Re:                                                    [CaTGirl627@aol.com]
  Re: new member's thoughts                              [CaTGirl627@aol.com]
  Joni Pics on the web                           [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)]

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:16:52 -0500
From: Michael Paz <michaelpaz@telocity.com>
Subject: Tribute List

on 4/25/00 2:00 AM, JMDL Digest at les@jmdl.com bounced for Kurt:

> Not performed, but perhaps should have.
> 
> 1. Micheal from Mountains
> 2. Ladies of the Canyon
> 3. The Last Time I saw Richard
> 4. Court and Spark
> 5. Edith and the King Pin
> 6. Coyote
> 7. Jericho
> 8. Cotton Avenue
> 9. The Hissing of Summer Lawns
> 10. Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire
> 11. God Must Be A Boogie Man
> 12. Cherokee Louise
> 13. Sunny Sunday
> 14. My Secret Place
> 15. Happiness is the Best Facelift
> 16. Man from Mars
> 17. Love Puts On a New Face
> 18. Blue Hotel Room
> 19. Cactus Tree
> 20. Rainy Night House
> 21. Willie
> 22. Talk to Me
> 23. The Gallery
> 24. I don't know where I stand
> 25. Good Friends
> 26. Dog Eat Dog
> 27. Turbulent Indigo

Kurt- Most of these songs WILL be performed at JoniFest2000 New Orleans. An
excellent opportunity for your to sign up and be a part of the joy that will
be this Memorial Day Weekend in New Orleans.

Shamelessly plugged,

Michael

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:26:01 EDT
From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com
Subject: Re: feed back and thanks from Kurt

<<There were several songs
that to me that were not performed, that I thought would have been great.>>

Kurt, I don't know of ANY Joni song I wouldn't enjoy being covered by another artist, so whichever ones you left out on your list, I add them! :~)

<<Ok, now here is a list of musicians and singers I would have liked to see
but were not there.

<<1. Prince, or whoever he is now.  He is just a great musician no matter how
skimpy his underwear.>>

One of these days...hearing his sensual take on ACOY or Crazy Cries would be bliss!

<<2. Chaka Khan, I just adore her.>>

She definitely has the pipes, I hope when she gets another shot she doesn't turn in into "Scream 3" like she did at Joni's Jazz. 

<<3. Aimee Mann, I think she is a strong singer songwriter who superficially
resembles Joni Mitchell.>>

And more importantly, has the vulnerability to emote the songs...

<<7. Macy Gray, I think she would be interesting to see her sing a folk song.>>

I dunno, I wouldn't pick something from the folk idiom for her funky voice - more likely something from HOSL-Mingus. (But *anything* would be fine, Macy!)

<<8. Tony Bennet, hey why not.>>

Because it would be extremely predictable...

<<15. Ray Charles, The Last Time I saw Richard, what a choice>>

Yes, it would be the strangest pairing of singer and song so far in this millenium! :~) You sure you wouldn't want to give him "The Magdalene Laundries"?

For my money, I'd love to hear Mr. Charles do a soulful take on "Ethiopia"...I'd be weepin' after the first syllable!

<<16. Jewel>>

I totally buy this, I'd like to hear her do something from STAS...Night in the City, Marcie, Cactus Tree...

<<17. The Rolling Stones>>

It would have to be the right tune, something like Wild Things Run Fast...they would really be limited. Instead of some old relic burn-out band, I'd love to hear from one of the 90's bands that mattered; Dave Matthews, Radiohead, Wilco, Son Volt, Counting Crows, Ben Folds Five (Ooooh, Imagine Ben playing some of Joni's piano stuff - they're one of the few that could tackle "Paprika Plains", I think). I dig the Stones as much as the next guy but they just don't work that hard anymore.

<<18. The Jefferson Airplane, slash Starship
19. Jackson Brown
20. CSN and Y>>

Again, these would be OK, Browne above all, but I'd prefer to hear from someone up and coming or riding their peak, not someone who's better days are literally decades behind them...although that doesn't apply to Young, whose new record is out today and is supposed to be fantastic!

Hope you didn't take any offense, Kurt, you wanted to know what I thought so I told you! :~)

Bob

NP: "Sunny Sunday" from Autry Museum show

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:57:13 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro <notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>
Subject: from another list

Saw this on another music list:

2) my "latest discovery" would have to be Joni Mitchell. although i am
obviously late in the game, i saw the
       tribute on TV and decided it was time to give her music a try. i
bought her new CD and it blew me away. other
       than Joni, i haven't listened to much else since Audra released
her second album

I love hearing about people just discovering Joni. We know what joy that
will bring them for a long time to come.

Jerry

np: Richard Thompson - Woodstock (KICK ASS!)

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:59:34 EDT
From: Guitarpoint@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell 2000 U.S. tour - a request

   << WOW!! If anybody knows for sure that they will meet hrt I would love to 
get an autograph as well...>>
      
             Hey Catgirl,   of all the people in the world, you would be the 
person that I would do that for.     Dave c

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:26:38 EDT
From: MDESTE1@aol.com
Subject: Re: feed back and thanks from Kurt

Things Id like to hear

Sweet Honey on the pot doing   Communication Breakdown

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:55:53 EDT
From: Pbart123@aol.com
Subject: Re: tribute CD

Any  chance of this CD version of the tribute becoming a tree???  I would be 
happy to branch.
Pam

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:02:17 EDT
From: Siresorrow@aol.com
Subject: Re: from another list

In a message dated 4/25/00 9:00:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes:

<< Jerry
 
 np: Richard Thompson - Woodstock (KICK ASS!) >>

librarians are wicked. go R.T. pat

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:05:10 EDT
From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com
Subject: did she look old, ???

You know, i didn't even realize it. I am just always amazed because I think 
she is one of the most beautiful people I (don't) know. I don't even know how 
i got hooked. My mom used to have a Judy Collins record that covered Both 
Sides Now, and i must have wondered what the real thing sounded like.
And it was all downhill from there. I am thinking about driving to either 
chicago or PHilly to see her play. I live in Akron Ohio, so it would be a bit 
of a drive. How is she live? Would anyone recommend the trip?
By the way, i'm new to the list. My name's Angela, i'm a 25 year old B.F.A 
Photography grad. Grew up in Maine.....Living in Ohio with my cat Franny (as 
in Franny and Zoe) Drywall. I listen to a lot of different kinds of music, 
but, as for certain artists, I have a lot of Joni, Arlo, and the Dead.
woo hoo!
talk to you all later,
angela


Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:04:22 -0700
From: Steve Dulson <steve@psitech.com>
Subject: Joni's Today Show Interview - More Thoughts

Penny said

<< BTW, do other's think Joni
 has aged 10 years in the last two?   >>

And Bob said:

>While she looked a lot older on the Tribute show, I thought she looked much
>younger on Rosie, and even Rosie commented how good she looked. I imagine
>it's the different lighting and makeup.

Joni looks great, but I also was struck by the difference in her
appearance recently, and the way she looked close up post-PWWAM.
I guess we all fall victim to time and other thieves....

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:11:53 EDT
From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com
Subject: (no subject)

Yep, I think that part was sad. Not to sound like some crazy fan, but it made 
me a little sad too. I think i just assumed she was a happy person. I hate 
for anyone to feel that way.
.......A Buckminster Fuller play? wow.
- -angela



Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:27:47 -0700
From: Sue Glumac <sueglu@home.com>

 >Spyder8@webtv.net wrote:

 >After reading the transcript of The Today show interview (which I
 >unfortunately missed) some of Joni's comments disturbed me:
 > In her own words JM says,
 >" This is not a time  for me you know, Its the shallowest, most
 >unromantic time. It's not my time..."
 >Katie comments, 'While Joni Mitchell does continue, her voice has
 >changed, and she says she's blocked an cannot write songs now...she does
 >not feel needed.."


I was also surprised and disturbed by that comment.  I've heard her talk
about how she has rich people problems and noone wants to hear about
them, but I've never heard her talk about being blocked. In fact, I
appreciate the social commentary in her later albums (Ethiopia, Justice,
Sex Kills, Borderline) as much as her more personal/confessional
writing.  But I also wanted to put her comments in perspective.  I was
fortunate to see a one man play last weekend based on the writings and
thinking of Buckminster Fuller -(remember him?)

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:12:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Catherine McKay <catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: friends and joni

- --- Guitarpoint@aol.com wrote:
>      << blinders on to Joni >>
> 
>       Dear  Ann Landers 
>                                  My wife has
> blindres on to Joni Mitchells 
> music. I thought she like her when we were dating
> but after the papers were 
> signed and thering went on I realized she doesn't
> like Joni that much.  Help 
> Me  in Phila.   Dave
> 

Dear Help me in Phila,

You have a major problem there, son.  Here's what you
have to ask yourself: would I be better off WITH her
or WITHOUT her?

Sincerely, 

Anne.

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:01:27 -0500
From: "Mike Hicks" <m_hicks@aiken.k12.sc.us>
Subject: Jane Griffin

Can anyone on this list give me some information on an artist named 
Jane Griffin?  I think that is her name.  I saw her while dozing late 
night tv.  She was great.  Plays piano.  Sing some beautiful 
melancholy music.  How many albums and what is best?

Thanks,
Mike

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:05:39 -0500
From: "Mike Hicks" <m_hicks@aiken.k12.sc.us>
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #207

Yes, it is a small world.  Go to the masters?
Mike

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:49:18 -0400
From: "cassy" <cassysweet@email.msn.com>
Subject: Marking content

For those who are new to the list, please be careful to mark
your posts NJC (No Joni Content) in the subject line if your
email fits this category.  Some of us would appreciate it.

Cassy

N.P. America - "America"

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:04:16 -0600
From: Bounced Message <les@jmdl.com>
Subject: On a Tribute, 10 Questions (...maybe there were more)

From: "smarcaurele" <smarcaurele@exit109.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:23:27 -0400

Sweet chords rose up in waxed New England halls
In Manhattan
Bearing resemblance only
The artist's works truly a wheel in the middle of a wheel
Understanding
...and they went every one straight forward
whither they went
they turned not when they went
the wheels were lifted up over against them
.....for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels
the same wheels also turned not from them
what is that proverb that you say?
....the days are prolonged and every vision fails?
Prophets like foxes in the deserts
Peace?
there was no peace
one built up a wall
others shored it up with more rationalizations
with walls and lies
you have made sadness
a great eagle which had divers colors
took seeds and planted them in a fruitful field
it grew, a spreading vine of low stature
whose branches turned toward him
there was another eagle
and this vine did bend her roots toward him, shot forth her branches =
toward him
that it might bring forth branches and dear fruit
shall it prosper spreading in a vine of low stature?
mischief shall be upon mischief
and rumour shall be upon rumour
according to their way
according to their way
how long shall be the vision of the daily sacrifice?
they sidebar in cyber chambers now
still they don't mean a thing
after all
it wasn't so long ago when all could claim closer relation to Da Vinci
my reclusive hermit nature makes more and more sense with every passing =
year
(oh...that interview with what's her face from NBC, and whose face that =
had to take yet another shot ...oh them - does anyone ever remember =
them?)
I stopped listening
So I don't know if anyone else dared say they can see
and look what Columbine friend of mine wrought - will they ever get =
"it"?
Not so long as they move forward at one time, heads forward
S.

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:10:43 -0400
From: "cassy" <cassysweet@email.msn.com>
Subject: Columbia House Sale on Joni!

For anyone who is interested, Columbia house is having a sale
on Joni CDs... www.columbiahouse.com

Turbulent Indigo
Ladies of the Canyon
Hejira

each of these CDs is currently 99 cents

Other Joni CDs are also at reduced prices varying from $5.98 to $7.98

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:33:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Catherine McKay <catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: toontown, krall, and giving up baby

- --- Kate <katej@connect.ab.ca> wrote:
> > Catman: "She gave up her daughter for her art."
> 
> I don't think this is true. Joni gave up her
> daughter *for her
> daughter.* It wasn't in order to make it easier for
> her to pursue her
> own interests; it was because she wanted her
> daughter to have the secure
> home that she didn't trust herself to provide.
> 

Kate, you got that right - Joni gave up her daughter,
not "for her art" but because she didn't have the
financial means at the time to support her and felt
she had no choice.  Remember this was 30-some years
ago, a time when single-parent-by-choice wasn't an
option, and neither was abortion.  I'm sure it was an
extremely difficult decision but one that, at the
time, was the right one.  Joni later acknowledged
that, if she had known at the time that within a year
she would attain the success she did, she would have
handled it differently.  At the time, however, she was
desperate.  You play the hand you're dealt.  C'est la vie.

=====
Catherine (in Toronto)
catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:17:14 -0400
From: Lucy Ijams <lija1@home.com>
Subject: new member's thoughts

Hi jmdl members,

I just signed on a couple of days ago after devotedly poring over the
jm.com site for a couple of days.  I am so sorry I missed the TNT
tribute.  I tried to get someone to tape it, but he didn't have any
tapes.

I want to make a comment that may raise some hackles.  I am a fan of the
early years.  After Hejira, I lost interest.  I couldn't make the
transition in my mind to Jonijazz.  

I have been pleased to discover her on the Herbie Hancock CD last year. 
And I listened to samples of BSN on the web and I have to say that I
can't love Joni now the same way I once did (idolized is a better word
for it.)  It is because of what smoking cigarettes has done to her
voice.  I can't get past it.  I think she has ruined her voice and it
makes me sad.  She really can't sing anymore, IMO.  And that may be why
it is not her time.  I think there is a huge amount of denial around the
effect of the addiction on her.

What does np mean?

Lucy (who used to resemble Joni in the old days!) and still sings her
songs occasionally to herself or to a lover.

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:23:47 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro <notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>
Subject: Re: new member's thoughts

Lucy Ijams wrote:

What does np mean?

Now Playing

Jerry

np: Natalie Merchant - All I Want

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:36:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Don Rowe <dgrowe227@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: new member's thoughts

Good to see an "honest woman" -- literally -- join the
list.  You're not alone in your assesment of Joni's
later vocal quality ... a great many yearn for the
soaring soprano yodels of the 60s.  

I'll only speak for myself, to paraphrase a line in
the song "I'm Past My Prime" from the Broadway musical
Li'L Abner -- 

"What Joni's got left over is more than most folks
starts out with!"  

For me her artistry transcends the quality of her
voice ... before, during and after the affects of time
and smoking.  And I guess, that's why I'm here ...
welcome to the Mad Tea Party!

Don Rowe 




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 -- Julia Fordham

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:48:47 EDT
From: WrknPrgss@aol.com
Subject: I need to go digest!

I mean I need to go *on digest* instead of receiving individual emails.

Thanks!

     Susan

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:01:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Medric Faulkner <megg56@yahoo.com>
Subject: My Crude MS Comment On Joni's Voice

If memory serves me correctly, Webster's definiton of
patina said: something grown beautiful esp. with age.
I've had BSN playing softly in our school office for a
few weeks now and from my teacher's comments, I think
I've done my little part to boost sales. For me, if
anything, the aged voice has so much character and
expression. Took me a day or so to listen to BSN
without welling up. When her voice is gone I'll pay to
hear her bath water gurgle down the drain.

I feel better now.

Medric



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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:06:50 +0100
From: catman <catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: new member's thoughts

Personally, I prefer her recent voice-in fact her voice from HOSL
onwards. I also like the firs album's voice. The albums in between I do
enjoy but have to say the high pitch grates after a while.
But then I have never been into high voices. I like deep rich voices as
in Carly(who hasn't lost anything. In fact sounds now like she did at
the beginning and the beginning voice was waaaay beyond her years if you
get what i mean.
My personal favourites are NRH and TI for voice. I think her voice is
not so hot on TTT or on BSN.
welcome to the list, lucy.

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:43:51 -0600
From: "Alison Einerson" <alisone@kirkhams.com>
Subject: <no subject>

>Anyway, I'll buy everybody's first drink.                
>DAVID LAHM

nuff said, david. 
just kidding. So far, Tanya, Sherelle, Rose and Paul have expressed interest
in the pre-nyc show gathering. this place sounds as good as any other, plus
we will get to hear Mr. Lahm perform!
Sounds great to me. I don't think a 15 minute walk to the garden is a
problem...probably be good for sobering up and buying some tissues on the
way. anyone else who wants to join us is welcome! 
i think the earlier the better, as some time to chat would be nice. 
alison e. 

>I suggest Judy's Chelsea, 169 8th Avenue, between 18th and 19th Streets. I'll 
>be playing piano from 6 to 10, the food's really good and, while it is a 
>15-minute walk to the Garden, the place is clean and attractive. This is 
>definitely not true of the Blarney Stone. I went there on April whatever, 
>before the Tribute, hoping to see some JMDL people and that place was 
>disgusting. 
>

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:27:09 -0500
From: "William C. Burnworth" <cspring@gs.verio.net>
Subject: Joni interview in May Downbeat

Hey, y'all..the Joni interview in Downbeat just hit the stands here, and
it's very insightful on BSN and her songwriting, among other
things...like the music business (briefly). Also included is a very
lengthy center section listing specs on international jazz festivals,
many I was not aware of! Enjoy...

Cheers,
William

np:Magnetic Fields-"Epitaph for My Heart"

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:26:09 -0700
From: Mark T <MarkT@placak.com>
Subject: TNT special

I am looking for someone who taped the TNT special and is willing to dub me
a copy of it (for private use only of course).   We'll pay for the tape,
dubbing cost, shipping or whatever.  

My boss is a big Joni fan and he was traveling during the special and missed
it.  The person who was to have taped the show for him dropped the ball.

Can anyone help me here.

Thanks

Mark W. Thomson 
Marketing Coordinator
Robert C Placak & Associates
415.507.1440
THOMSON, No "P" 

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:07:59 -0400
From: Deb Messling <messling@enter.net>
Subject: My Joni Easter

For starters, my precious 17-year-old niece, Meggie, treated us all to a 
rendition of "River" - she learned it the best way, by ear, of course!  Her 
piano teacher used to yell at her for playing by ear.  Meggie is becoming 
quite the Joni fan, and she even has jonimitchell.com bookmarked!

Second, there was much discussion around the dinner table about the TNT 
special.  My sister thought it was "too poignant."  And she objected to all 
the photographs of Joni smoking, because "that's what ruined her 
voice."  And she thought none of the performers did justice to the 
songs.  Meggie had to leave the room during Diane Krall, she hated it so 
much. (Meggie is a soprano and likes other sopranos).

My sister loved Joni Mitchell up through Hejira, then gave her up.  I don't 
know if Joni got weird or my sister got lazy.  I think at  some point her 
taste got frozen.  I look at their CD collection and it looks like "Best of 
the Sixties" by Ronco!!  I think there are a fair amount of former Joni 
fans with similar CD collections.  I worry that some of these folks will 
accidentally show up at the concerts.

Sorry to be rambling...


Deb Messling
messling@enter.net
http://www.enter.net/~messling/

~there are only three kinds of people:
those who can count, and those who can't.

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:14:48 -0400
From: Deb Messling <messling@enter.net>
Subject: Re: new member's thoughts

Lucy, welcome to the list, and never be afraid to post your opinions!  If 
some of us disagree strenuously, it doesn't mean we hate you!

I think Joni is doing wonderful things with her new voice.  She truly seems 
to inhabit all of these songs.  There is such warmth, such sensuality, such 
drama.

Having said that, I recognize that her voice has lost a good deal of power 
and flexibility. I wonder if she hadn't smoked, and kept the flexibility, 
AND added the warmth-sensuality-drama that aging can bring, what we would 
be hearing right now.

But something's lost and something's gained.  I prefer to focus on what's 
gained.



At 01:17 PM 4/25/00 -0400, you wrote:
>I have been pleased to discover her on the Herbie Hancock CD last year.
>And I listened to samples of BSN on the web and I have to say that I
>can't love Joni now the same way I once did (idolized is a better word
>for it.)  It is because of what smoking cigarettes has done to her
>voice.  I can't get past it.  I think she has ruined her voice and it
>makes me sad.  She really can't sing anymore, IMO.  And that may be why
>it is not her time.  I think there is a huge amount of denial around the
>effect of the addiction on her.


Deb Messling
messling@enter.net
http://www.enter.net/~messling/

~there are only three kinds of people:
those who can count, and those who can't.

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Date: 25 Apr 00 16:30:21 PDT
From: Carly Hart <CarlyHrt@netscape.net>
Subject: [none]

I just found this list. i am so thrilled. Joni is just the greatest(almost)!
I got to see her perform a few years ago. Unfortunately, there was a little
incident which spoiled the evening, But still, at least i got to see her.
I had a husband once who liked her even more than me, but alas we are no
longer together so i have no one to share my Joni stuff with.

That is till I found this list! WOW!

love,
C.


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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:53:58 EDT
From: FMYFL@aol.com
Subject: Re: Welcome Carly (VLJC)

In a message dated 04/25/2000 7:32:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
CarlyHrt@netscape.net writes:

<< I just found this list. i am so thrilled. Joni is just the 
greatest(almost)!
  I had a husband once who liked her even more than me, but alas we are no
 longer together so i have no one to share my Joni stuff with.
  That is till I found this list! WOW! >>

Welcome to the list Carly!  If you had a husband that liked Joni even more 
than you, then he's probably on this list too :~)
There are about 600 people that you can share ALL of your Joni stuff 
with......(since the past couple of months we've got to have more than 600 
people).........anyway glad you found Les' wonderful discussion list.

Jimmy (in Ft. Myers, FL)

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:09:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Gross <BrianGross@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: FREE Joni Mitchell DOWNLOADS!

Hi gang,

I hope everyone is well out there.
David really said it right about this place being special.
This really *is* a family.
I would like to welcome all the new jmdlers out there.
And I'm real happy to be here, even if I am about 5 digests behind ;-D>
But what *I* do is sub to both the realtime and the digests at different
adresses.  
I skim over the subjects and senders and read a few (or more) 
Then I take that day's worth of list mail and trash it.
On my other address (Netscape, Yahoo, Hotmail, etc) waiting for me is the day's
worth (sometimes 2-3) of digests. 
These couple of documents I download to my machine as plain text files.
Then I trash the digests from my mailbox.
And I can open the digests with any application that can open text files.
That means that you can read digests while doing *almost* any kind of work ;-)>

I was in a record shop in Wilmington Delaware yesterday where I checked out 
their rack of "imported" cds.  
LOL 
Boots is more like it.
They had 2 package of 2 cds with all the Gene Shay and Second Fret stuff that
is on the tape trees, thanks to our tapemaster general and a single of the Club
47 show that also is around.
And Henry Diltz's pictures are all over the liner sheets.
And *NO* credit is given to *anyone*
Think Henry has a case, Mary P? Kakki?

See you in "Toon

Brian

nw: CNN 

Received in my email today.
- --- info@connect2music.com wrote:

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> C2M is offering 2 FREE DOWNLOADS!  
> 
> Download the title track from JONI MITCHELL's new album,
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=====
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No one else can hear the crazy cries of love"


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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:49:38 -0700
From: "P. Henry" <badwolff@angelfire.com>
Subject: Fwd: FREE Joni Mitchell and Shelby Lynne DOWNLOADS!

 
got this in my box today... thought of you... :o)

- --------- Forwarded Message ---------

DATE: 25 Apr 2000 15:00:01 -040
From: info@connect2music.com
To: 

Women Rock!  In celebration of great women in music,
C2M is offering 2 FREE DOWNLOADS!  

Download the title track from JONI MITCHELL's new album,
"Both Sides Now"!  Act fast, because this offer is only
available until May 1st.  

Then check out SHELBY LYNNE's song, "Gotta Get Back"
from her critically acclaimed album "I Am Shelby Lynne"

Only at  http://www.connect2music.com/track/0425.html



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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:10:25 -0700
From: "Ray & Cathy" <rsax@pacifier.com>
Subject: re: Joni Moment

Tonight while I was making dinner, my husband came into the kitchen
laughing, saying, "did you hear that?"   I didn't, but apparently
while he was watching game 2 of the NBA playoffs between SanAntonio and
Phoenix, David Robinson had a great first half,
and in describing that, the announcer said, "David Robinson is unfettered
and alive!".....I can just see the other announcers scratching their heads
and going "huh?"

Cathy in Oregon

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 23:56:47 EDT
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joni Moment

In a message dated 4/25/00 11:47:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
rsax@pacifier.com writes:

<< Tonight while I was making dinner, my husband came into the kitchen
 laughing, saying, "did you hear that?"   I didn't, but apparently
 while he was watching game 2 of the NBA playoffs between SanAntonio and
 Phoenix, David Robinson had a great first half,
 and in describing that, the announcer said, "David Robinson is unfettered
 and alive!".....I can just see the other announcers scratching their heads
 and going "huh?"
 
 Cathy in Oregon >>

There was another Joni moment on who wants to be a millionaire when a guy 
trying for $8,000 had trouble with the question: "Chelsea Clinton is named 
for a song called "Chelsea Morning" by which songwriter:
A. Janis Joplin
B. Judy Collins or Carly Simon, I forget which.
C. Carole King
D. Joni Mitchell.

The contestant was temporarily stumped, the used his audience lifeline. The 
audience poll was not much help -- 30% for C and 40% for D, with the rest 
split between A and B, but after much hemming and hawing the contestant went 
along with the audience and got the question right. He eventually won 
$250,000 by backing off of a tough $500,000 question while out of lifelines.

Paul I

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:27:22 -0700
From: Randy Remote <guitarzan@saber.net>
Subject: Re: Joni Moment

You never told us what the right answer was!


IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote:

> There was another Joni moment on who wants to be a millionaire when a guy
> trying for $8,000 had trouble with the question: "Chelsea Clinton is named
> for a song called "Chelsea Morning" by which songwriter:
> A. Janis Joplin
> B. Judy Collins or Carly Simon, I forget which.
> C. Carole King
> D. Joni Mitchell.
> 
> The contestant was temporarily stumped, the used his audience lifeline. The
> audience poll was not much help -- 30% for C and 40% for D, with the rest
> split between A and B, but after much hemming and hawing the contestant went
> along with the audience and got the question right. He eventually won
> $250,000 by backing off of a tough $500,000 question while out of lifelines.
> 
> Paul I

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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 00:30:27 EDT
From: CaTGirl627@aol.com
Subject: Re: 

In a message dated 4/25/2000 7:32:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
CarlyHrt@netscape.net writes:

<< I just found this list. i am so thrilled. Joni is just the 
greatest(almost)!
 I got to see her perform a few years ago. Unfortunately, there was a little
 incident which spoiled the evening, But still, at least i got to see her.
 I had a husband once who liked her even more than me, but alas we are no
 longer together so i have no one to share my Joni stuff with.
 
 That is till I found this list! WOW!
 
 love,
 C. >>
Oh Sweetie,
You ain't seen nothing yet.  I have3 been blown away by all the other Joni 
fans here..it is very comforting knowing that I am not the only one who 
bought 3 or 4 of her Hat box/Candy Box Promo Cd of Both Sides Now.  Welcome, 
Welcome!!
Catgirl

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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 00:20:49 EDT
From: CaTGirl627@aol.com
Subject: Re: new member's thoughts

In a message dated 4/25/2000 1:38:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes:

<< 
 "What Joni's got left over is more than most folks
 starts out with!"  
 
 For me her artistry transcends the quality of her
 voice ... before, during and after the affects of time
 and smoking.  And I guess, that's why I'm here ...
 welcome to the Mad Tea Party! >>
Very well spoken my dear friend.  I do agree with you.  I loved her early 
years but still enjoy her new stuff...it is just different.
Catgirl

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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 23:12:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)
Subject: Joni Pics on the web

Hi Y'all!

Maybe this is old news to many or most of you long time surfers, but
here's a link to a site with 126 pictures of Joni.  Some are Diltz's,
but not all, and some taken in her recording studio that I've never seen
before.  There's one with make-up guy Paul Starr (a mystery man from the
tribute) too.  Oh, and one from the Halloween party where Joni dressed
up ala DJRD.  ;-)

http://www.corbis.com

Hope some of these will help Steve P. with his cd artwork!  (Hi Steve!)


Penny

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