From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #155 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 22 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 155 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fw: Joni & Folk Song ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Joni & Folk Song [David Wright ] re: Joni & Folk Song [Mark Domyancich ] joni tribute smoking ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Re: Joni & Folk Song ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Silky Veils [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni & Folk Song [Guitarpoint@aol.com] Re: friends and joni [Guitarpoint@aol.com] hb2mingus [some millers ] Joni's Today Show Interview - More Thoughts [mann@chicagonet.net] Joni's Artwork/Exhibition [Spyder8@webtv.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:59:58 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Fw: Joni & Folk Song > I'm certain the song is called 'Poor Wayfaring Stranger'. I think Joan Baez > sings a version but definitely in the folk idiom. I love Joni's rewrite and > it's wonderful song to sing. Let me tell you a little anecdote. > > I had to sing acapella in an audition once and this song come into my head > just before it was my turn. I cut a stanza out because it didn't suit the > timing but I sang > The good thing about it was, the musical director and the writer both came up to me after the audition to ask what song that was! I had a quick Joni plug of course! Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:27:51 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Joni & Folk Song On Sat, 22 Apr 2000, Jamie Zubairi wrote: > I'm certain the song is called 'Poor Wayfaring Stranger'. I think Joan Baez > sings a version but definitely in the folk idiom. I knew the verses of Joni's Silky Veils as "floating verses" in other songs. Somebody posted Joan Baez's version the last time around. I hadn't realized that they had been combined them into a single song. I think Joni mainly just added some "heightening words" to Baez's version, but very effectively. However, to clarify, there is also an entirely separate well-known song called "Poor Wayfaring Stranger" which shares its first verse with the first verse of Joni/Joan's song. (I assume Joni/Joan's song took the verse from the other version.) Is Joni's melody based on the tune Baez sings, or is it original? - --David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:28:50 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: re: Joni & Folk Song This is a traditional song but I had once heard she had written it for WTRF. NP-Phish-Farmhouse At 7:52 PM -0400 4/21/00, Brian Butterick wrote: >What about "A Bird That Whistles" from CMIARS? It IS the folk song " >Corrina, Corrina," after all. >--hat - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:43:45 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: joni tribute smoking - ----- Original Message ----- From: alan larson > > i too noticed joni smoking...one of the perks of being the honoree, i > suppose... LOL At about 30 minutes into the concert I said to my sister "This must be the longest she has ever gone without a cigarette" (I was kind of jonsing for one myself.) Then Joni lit one up. My sister said "Well, like, who is going to tell HER to put it out?" My sister is a math teacher in a NYC high school. We were pretty keyed up after the concert and went out for some drinks, then we went home to her house, still on a Joni high, played Blue and had a couple more. She went to work the next morning on maybe 2 hours of sleep, and said to her first class "Sorry if I'm a little slow today, I went to a concert last night, not something I usually do, and I stayed up kind of late." A student asked "What concert?" She said "Not anything you all would be interested in, it was a tribute to Joni Mitchell." A student replied "Joni Mitchell ROCKS!!!" Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:23:12 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Joni & Folk Song Hello David, nice to hear from you again I believe Joni uses the traditional (Baez's) melody for the words. The accompaniment is almost Joni's own. > However, to clarify, there is also an entirely separate well-known > song called "Poor Wayfaring Stranger" which shares its first verse with > the first verse of Joni/Joan's song. (I assume Joni/Joan's song took the > verse from the other version.) > > Is Joni's melody based on the tune Baez sings, or is it original? > > --David > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:34:52 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Silky Veils This is from a book called "Folk Songs USA" by John and Alan Lomax (with music arrangements by Charles and Ruth Seeger). They refer to this song as one of the most widespread in the Anglo-American tradition. Come All You Fair and Tender Ladies 1. Come all you fair and tender ladies, Be careful how you court young men, They're like a star of a summer's morning, They'll first appear and then they're gone. 2. They'll tell to you some loving story, They'll declare to you their love is true; Straightaway they'll go and court some other, And that's the love they have for you. 3. I wish I was some little sparrow, That I had wings, could fly so high; I'd fly away to my false true lover, And when he's talkin' I'd be by. 4. But I am not a little sparrow, And neither have I wings to fly; I'll sit down here in grief and sorrow To weep and pass my troubles by. 5. If I'd a-known before I courted, I never would have courted none; I'd have locked my heart in a box of golden, And pinned it up with a silver pin. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:16:33 EDT From: Guitarpoint@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Folk Song << what d o you think of the silky veils of ardour >> Hate to say this but I found the song in an old guitar song book and it was from I think 1890 sometime. I was really surprised that Joni gave no credit to its original creator or mention that it was an adapted form of the original. Joni's cover of the song is almost 99% of the original. Now that I posed it I am going to look thru all my books to find it and I will post all the info as I'm sure this will piss off some people unless I have the proof. Dave c ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:29:49 EDT From: Guitarpoint@aol.com Subject: Re: friends and joni << blinders on to Joni >> Dear Ann Landers My wife has blindres on to Joni Mitchells music. I thought she like her when we were dating but after the papers were signed and thering went on I realized she doesn't like Joni that much. Help Me in Phila. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:44:42 -0400 (EDT) From: some millers Subject: hb2mingus happy birthday to the "musical mystic" mingus... and thanks to jm for bringing him so beautifully to my attention back in '79. buenas noches/dias- paul s. bethlehem, ny ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 01:18:05 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni's Today Show Interview - More Thoughts Continuing Bonne and Sue's discussion......... When Katie said to Joni: “Obviously a big development in your life was when you reconnected with your daughter and your grandchild. How has that changed your life?” And Joni firmly answered that she didn't want to talk about Kilaurin and her family situation by stating “Well I’d rather not get into it." I thought to myself Whoa! Things aren't going very well with Killer. Joni then confirmed it by what she further said, "And like all families, it’s wrought with difficulties. You know it’s not all going to be clear sailing.” I can't help thinking that this is the BIGGEST part of Joni's REALLY feeling "not needed" or "uninspired", especially during a time when she's FINALLY getting more recognition and GOOD press then she has in YEARS!! I'll tell you why I think this way.... I have a friend who went thru a similar thing like Joni (got pregnant back when it was not accepted, gave up the baby, baby's father never knew,must search for the father, never had more children, etc etc)....in fact I told her about Joni because there stories were so very, very similar and now she's following Joni & Killaurin's story, even asking for that People magazine that came out a few issues back with the interview. Now years later, they found each other, the daughter who's about Kilaurin's age and had just had her own baby too. Anyway, my friend is a seemingly very independent, self-assured, strong personality..........this whole meeting with her daughter has brought her to her knees! The emotional ups and downs are a real rollercoaster ride and she's told me she doesn't think she could cope if she wasn't going to counseling and learning that other parents who find their adoptive children are going thru the same thing. She's been besides herself at times not knowing what to do and calling her therapist......... and then following his advice to wait, what's happening is "on schedule" with others who have gone thru the same thing.........things will blow over eventually, etc. etc. I've heard her talk about how when they first meet after all those years it's so hopful and wonderful. Then soon the questions com..............why this....why that.......you must not love me, you never loved me.........now you give me gifts....... you're trying to buy my love, you feel guilty, you don't feel guilty enough. I don't want to talk to you again. You can't see your grandchild. The daughter tells the mother NEVER to call her again. Then the mother, after waiting a couple of weeks, calls the daughter anyway and the daughter is so happy to hear from her and tells her she's been waiting by the phone for weeks hoping the mother would call even tho she told her not to call.......................always eggshells. Sounds like Joni & Kilaurin's relationship is similar. Volitile and ever changing. Not a settled ground yet. It's gotta be hard to have creative juices flowing at times like this............. Then on top of the emotional ride with Kilaurin.........I bet Myrtle is riding her over this........ maybe even telling Joni......."you made your bed.......you lie in it" kind of thing. Along with the moral issue and such. Bet Joni's getting it from all sides. Joni's gone for years without having any emotional ties or 'family' responsibilities. Her life was really her own.....she had time to indulge her creativity & perfect it. She's also admited to up and leaving relationships after a few years because they start getting 'uncomfortable'. Now, with Kilaurin, Joni can't seperate herself from this uncomfortableness. Can't just up and leave.....and find another daughter like she might find another lover. And then there's the surprize of her grandchildren. And the Love she feels for them.........some new feelings and emotions. These different emotions of Love, Happiness, Unhappiness, anger.............she's gotta be experiencing the complete circle of emotions now. Maybe feeling quite a bit like a punching bag. You get up from a punch that came straight at ya and down you go again from a side punch ya never saw coming. This emotional stuff can really take it's toll.......and age one. Joni also said: This is not a time for me, you know. It’s the shallowest most unromantic time. It’s not my time.” .........Hey, all us parents know how kids can kill the romantic mood! ha! ha! Joni's a new parent! Don't you think this is why she may be taking a break from writing her own songs? Known for one who writes about her feelings........she could get herself in some deep doo-doo by writing something she feels, but that offends/hurts Kilaurin's feelings.....and then it would be down in writing for it to always haunt the two of them and cause a deeper divide instead of closing over the gap. I think in order to be true to herself and protect what relationship she does have with her daughter and secure the growing relationship with her grandkids.........she's safer not writing down her feelings for the whole world to hear and dissect until she's out of the emotional tornado.....which could take years. It's probably a real good time for Joni to concentrate on her paintings. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:36:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Spyder8@webtv.net Subject: Joni's Artwork/Exhibition Am I right that Joni Mitchells artwork will be on a tour? WOW !... Does anyone know the schedule or itinerary? If anyone knows please do post the info or e-mail me , Thanks in advance!(I will enjoy her artwork almost as much as the music.!) Bon ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #155 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?