From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #154 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, April 21 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 154 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni & Folk Song [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Joni & Folk Song [RSTM@aol.com] Re: Joni & Folk Song (Md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Need answer fast [philipf@tinet.ie] Joni's lament [Susan McNamara ] Re: Tribute afterthoughts [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Joni & Folk Song [philipf@tinet.ie] re: Joni & Folk Song [Susan McNamara ] A light hearted question (VLJC) [Loren Carter ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #198 "Im new" [Russ Harlan ] Even another novel mention [Pbart123@aol.com] RE: Tribute Concert Band ["Carver, Dax" ] Re: Joni's lament [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Covers Project ["Garret" ] WHY NONNA? [dave fairall / beth miller ] DIANA KRALL [dave fairall / beth miller ] Post C+S [dave fairall / beth miller ] Return of the Muse (kind of long) ["Kate Bennnett" ] Re: Joni & Folk Song [Randy Remote ] Re: DIANA KRALL ["Alison Einerson" ] Another convert [Mike Friedman ] Re: Joni & Folk Song [dsk ] Re: She Hisses Her Summer Lawns [Mike Friedman ] Joni's Picture on Rosie's Page [mann@chicagonet.net] Tribute Casual ["susan+rick" ] Re: DIANA KRALL ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #206 [EVRIBUTJON@aol.com] re: Tribute and a list of men [Bounced Message ] Cute crowd shots... [Richard Rice ] some thoughts on the All Star Tribute to Joni Mitchell [Bounced Message <] Re: Tribute and a list of men [catman ] Re: some thoughts on the All Star Tribute to Joni Mitchell [catman ] RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #207 ["Kate Bennnett" ] Kilauren? ["Carver, Dax" ] friends and joni ["Carver, Dax" ] Fw: K.d. lang's clothes ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: some thoughts on the All Star Tribute to Joni Mitchell ["Helen M. Adc] Re: Joni & Folk Song ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: some thoughts on the All Star Tribute to Joni Mitchell [catman ] Re: Joni & Folk Song ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni & Folk Song ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: DIANA KRALL ["alan larson" ] Re: Joni & Folk Song ["Jamie Zubairi" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 06:13:45 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Folk Song What do you think of "The Silky Veils of Ardour?" From its consciously antiquated title to the finger-pickin'( is that the right term?) guitar intro, this song seems like an uncanny version of/tribute to traditional folk music created wholly by Joni herself. I'm also struck by the fact that it comes as the coda to an album (DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTER) that is full of bold, unprecedented on-the-edge and over-the -edge music and words. All in all, the song is one of her most astounding creations. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:11:43 EDT From: RSTM@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Folk Song Your post drove me to an article in Rolling Stone by Cameron Crowe circa 1979. Find it at http://216.247.66.89/articles/docs/790726rs.cfm JM says that she only was a folk singer for 2 years, long before she started recording. The article is fascinating particularly because it came at the time when I think JM fully abandoned "traditional" pop music -- just after Mingus was released. The facts are less interesting than speculation why JM would chose not to cover traditional folk music. I guess that JM's artistic mindset would reject the path of repeating other's work. At her core is an artist, more than a performer. Serious painters do not copy other painter's works. They may borrow technique, coloration, style, but in their public work do not repeat what Van Gogh or Picasso did. Singing folk music strikes me as performance rather than creative art. In the Crowe article, JM says: There's only a certain amount of fine work in any idiom. The rest of it is just copyists. Regurgitation. Obvious rip-offs. Mingus has a song, "If Charlie Parker Was a Gunslinger, There'd Be a Whole Lot of Dead Copycats." Sometimes I find myself sharing this point of view. He figured you don't settle for anything else but uniqueness. The name of the game to him—and to me is to become a full individual. I remember a time when I was very flattered if somebody told me that I was as good as Peter, Paul and Mary. Or that I sounded like Judy Collins. Then one day I discovered I didn't want to be a second-rate anything. I have to remember to be compassionate. Otherwise it really pisses me off to hear somebody getting a whole lot of public roar and, "Oh, this is the newest and the greatest," when it's really the newest and greatest copy. There are bands coming now that are really good. They're interesting; they've got some vitality and some fire, but—say they're Englishmen who sound like Bob Dylan. I listen to it and it's pleasant on the radio, but as an artist I say to myself, "If you're that good, how come you can't be yourself?" That's just my view -- I am very likely wrong Ron in the 'burbs don't think twice, its alright NP: Wife's snoring in bed next to me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:50:15 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Folk Song (Md) Im not sure Joni has EVER been a real folk singer. Joni emerged from the coffeehouse scene in the mid 60's. Before that time the use of the acoustic guitar was not that prevalent and in fact the dawn of the coffeehouse scene was in itself a new phenomena. There were real folk singers who jumped into this scene (particularly) in New York like Patric Skye, Dave Van Ronk, Ian and Sylvia, Rick Von Schmidt, and others. The songs they sang were in many cases real folk songs which is to say songs that told stories about the times they were written in. The English minstrel was basically the newspaper wandering around the countryside singing songs about what was going on in the world and or kingdom. American folk scene in the early 60's was derived from people like the Weavers and Pete Seeger (not to mention Leadbelly and a ton of black singers). However the music that came out of the mid sixties started as folk music but changed when the songs left the realm of folk music and segued into pop music themes. Many will argue that Rock is folk music but its back beat dominates its theme. That is why folk music (music for the common folk) is different. In folk music the message in the song is never dominated by the desire to move ones loins and pursue someone for sex. (see Addicted to Love by Robert palmer) Joni Mitchell if she was ever a folk singer it was because in her earliest days she sang some folk songs like all the coffeehouse performers did but soon enough she was no longer singing them and she was singing her own songs which while played on flolk instruments like dulcimer and guitar IMHO arent folk songs. Bob Dylan IS a real folk singer who gets into trouble even when he tries to sing rock n roll. But look at the themes of Bobs music from the very beginning to the present. Bob is in fact singing about what has been going on amongst the "folk". The difference between Bobs songs and Jonis are obvious to me although of course many will argue otherwise. regards, marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:54:00 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Need answer fast I'd like if the Grace in Peoples Parties was Grace Kelly the ice queen rather than the Grace from the Grateful Airplane or whatever there're called. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:02:14 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Joni's lament After many tries I actually got to see the Today show interview on my computer (thanks Phyliss for the URL). All I have to say about Joni's comments about going through a rough time is: WATCH OUT, SHE'S GETTING MELANCHOLY---the last time that happened she won TWO GRAMMIES!!!!!! Turbulent Indigo is still my favorite album, a masterpiece of olympian proportions. Bonne, I related so much to what you were talking about ... I've gone through a lot of hard times and seemed to have lost a lot of my creative fire over the last 20 years, but lately I've been reading The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron and also Jung and the changes we go through sometimes block our creative sides, but it is never gone. I believe we need to go through these desert periods to get to the next level. Bette Davis said, "growing old ain't for sissies." For me GROWING and CHANGING is like a high wire act and if you want a mentor I can't think of anyone who has changed and grown as an artist more beautifully than our SIQUOMB. Stay true to yourself and tap into the Spirit. end of sermon! Vince inspired me to get righteous! :-) sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:13:30 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Tribute afterthoughts From Sue's post :- >Sorry to our out-of-country listers who feel left in the cold on this subject. >UK listers, we know she is planning on doing a follow up to BSN with Christmas songs, maybe we can persuade her to either do it live or at least have a few shows over there. I know that if I get the chance I will mention how you all miss her.<< Hey, Sue, If you can persuade Joni to play just one show in Europe (preferably London, though) we shall all be forever in your debt! Actually she is supposed to be coming to London in August for more recording. Am I right in thinking that you are going to be over here yourself at about that time? If so, please bring her with you. Surely she can be persuaded somehow. Also does anyone know of any plans to screen the Tribute Show in the UK. Sounds like it could do great things for Joni's sales. My best Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:15:25 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Joni & Folk Song In the current issue of Hotpress she says that she started out singing trad songs............... . "When I came into music, professionally, in the beginning, the sound in the coffee houses of the day was definitely Irish influenced," she elaborates-rates. "As in, British Isle ballads, very melodic, in a minor key. " And as with Rachmaninoff, very sad? "Definitely like many of the songs on the Chieftains album, Tears of Stone in fact, I started out singing that kind of song but, as a performer in clubs, I felt I needed some levity, so I started spinning yarns on stage. But then I met this Englishman named Peter Ebbling, who cut half of my repertoire back! He said 'you can't sing this, this or this because this is my territory!' So you were almost forced into writing in that genre. Because no matter where you went you had somebody saying 'you can't play that here, it's my song. And I admit that the first songs I wrote were not very soul-searching. They were very young. Lines like 'night in the city looks pretty to me. ' Although I did write 'Both Sides Now' as one of those first ten songs But that is half naive and half worldly. Each verse alternates in that way." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:17:13 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: re: Joni & Folk Song At 3:00 AM -0400 4/21/00, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: >Was traditional folk music, which has continued to nourish artists >such as Dylan throughout their career, ever really a major influence >on Joni? Does anyone recall the titles of any traditional songs she >has performed? > >Iíd be interested to hear any thoughts others might have on this. > >John (in Sydney). Hi John: I don't believe Joni did much traditional folk music after she learned how to play guitar from her Pete Seeger book, but there are folk influences in her early music, of course. The way I look at it, the most obvious example of joni using the old folk song style is in Silky Veils of Ardor on DJRD. It's a collage of many folk motifs, done Joni style. I also think her storytelling style also came out of that tradition, like Pirate of Penance. I really loved Dylan's album Good As I Been To You. great! sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: 21 Apr 00 08:47:26 EDT From: Loren Carter Subject: A light hearted question (VLJC) All, After all of the hulla-ballou and ruckus over KD Lang and her shoeless effort, on the Wednesday night airing of the TNT tribute, did someome reach out to Ms. Lang and tell her to dress properly and put some shoes on? It was on waaaay past my bedtime, and I missed it. Maybe I'll have to wait until it hits the video trees to get an answer, but it's been bothering me. Loren.... NP....the sound of falling rain, oh, and the construction workers here at work knocking down walls. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:34:24 -0400 From: Russ Harlan Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #198 "Im new" At 09:01 PM 4/18/00 -0400, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 4/18/00 12:21:00 PM US Central Standard Time, >m_hicks@aiken.k12.sc.us writes: > ><< I'm just glad to be here. I am looking forward to "being with" > people that have this taste for music. > >> > >Hiya Mike! And welcome to the list! > >I couldn't help but notice your e-mail addy...are you in Aiken, SC? Is there >actually ANOTHER South Cackalackian here? :~) Aiken? Really? I am up the road in Disgusta, GA. Small world, huh? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:20:58 EDT From: Pbart123@aol.com Subject: Even another novel mention Some people have mentioned Joni being mentioned in High Fidelity which was written by Nick Hornby. He must be a Joni fan, because his novel "About a Boy" is about a young boy who's mother makes him listen to Joni Mitchell all the time, and won't let him listen to the more "current" kid music. It's a good book, and Joni gets mentioned a lot! Pam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:26:33 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: RE: Tribute Concert Band Thanks Vince! I'm very glad to hear that! dax > -----Original Message----- > From: Vince Lavieri [SMTP:revrvl@pathwaynet.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 7:42 PM > To: Carver, Dax; joni@smoe.org > Cc: Jim L'Hommedieu; _JMDL - June 98 > Subject: Re: Tribute Concert Band > > I didn't see Joni as doing that; looked to me as if Joni was enjoying > Lauper! > > Vince > > "Carver, Dax" wrote: > > > I'm glad I didn't see Joni do that. Joni is the ultimate for me and I > would > > have been totally disappointed in her attitude if I had seen her say > that. > > Cyndi's version was wonderful and Cyndi obviously loves Joni. Was Joni > > saying that in a negative way? > > dax > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jim L'Hommedieu [SMTP:jlamadoo@one.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 7:59 AM > > > To: _JMDL - June 98 > > > Subject: Re: Tribute Concert Band > > > > > > Maybe the band is not appreciated in this thread. In retrospect, I'm > glad > > > that so much of her band was present. It's always cool to see Larry > Klein > > > playing Joni's music, right? Did I really notice that the first time > > > through? Nooooooo. > > > > > > I agree with whomever said that the cut-aways to Joni were weird and > > > sociological. It seemed like they (TNT Network) didn't edit when they > had > > > the chance. Especially when Cindy Lauper was extending her going > around > > > for > > > 'another' chorus. Joni goes, "Come ON!". At least that's what I see. > > > Others? Agree? Disagree? > > > > > > All the best, > > > Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:26:36 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni & Folk Song Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > What do you think of "The Silky Veils of Ardour?" From its consciously > antiquated title to the finger-pickin'( is that the right term?) guitar > intro, this song seems like an uncanny version of/tribute to traditional folk > music created wholly by Joni herself. > I'm also struck by the fact that it comes as the coda to an album (DON JUAN'S > RECKLESS DAUGHTER) that is full of bold, unprecedented on-the-edge and > over-the -edge music and words. > All in all, the song is one of her most astounding creations. Besides absolutely loving this song, I've always felt it was a tribute to the pseudo-folk songs of the 60's and 70's. Of course, hers tops them all, even in authenticity to the type. Jerry np: Eartha Kitt - I'm Still Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:08:31 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni's lament Susan McNamara wrote: > After many tries I actually got to see the Today show interview on my > computer (thanks Phyliss for the URL). My pleasure! > All I have to say about Joni's comments about going through a rough > time is: WATCH OUT, SHE'S GETTING MELANCHOLY---the last time that > happened she won TWO GRAMMIES!!!!!! Turbulent Indigo is still my > favorite album, a masterpiece of olympian proportions. Wow! That is a whole new perspective! And I love it! I agree on TI being a masterpiece, definitely close to the top in my ever changing, hard to nail down ranking. Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:42:37 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Covers Project >I'm tempted to get in touch with her about it (she lives not far from me)! although i've not heard the covers yet, everyone seems smtten with these covers. i think getting in touch with her is a great idea, if only to let her know that her recordings were appreciated by Joni fans. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:11:59 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: WHY NONNA? "Wynonna knows when to sing and when to strum. She made a good choice to focus on her vocals and nailed You Turn Me On...Once again the list is correct in noticing that even the pros had a hard time with both singin' and playin' Joni's tunes." Then put the guitar down!! Nothing worse then a non-player just holding an instrument for ornamental purposes, she might as well have been playing air-guitar. df ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:18:36 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: DIANA KRALL Alison E., Have to disagree with your comment.... "Does anyone get the feeling that Dianna Krall performed only because of her connections with Klein? I wasn't aware that she was a big Joni fan. I think her performance of ACOY was a little forced..". ....and agree with Jerry, that Dianna Krall must surely be a Joni fan. She's from the Vancouver BC area, and went to Berklee in Boston, so odds are she's absorbed Joni's music all her life... if not because she's Canadian, then no doubt through exposure at a jazz school like Berklee. I thought her performance was heartfelt, and that she really connected to the tune. Knew she was a good player, but had never heard her sing quite like that.....way cool. thx, df ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:19:48 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: Post C+S "... I do think that it would be extremely difficult for any singer to cover most of Join's post Court & Spark catalogue". Mark, I agree that because of the melodic sensibilities and introspective nature of Joni's post "Court and Spark" work, inclusion of that material in the Tribute would have presented different challenges to the performers. Lack of commercial recognition probably played an substantial role in that decision too, but she did win a Grammy for "Turbulent Indigo", which was not represented at all. "How Can You Stop" would've been cool, and had they recruited Seal to perform, maybe memorable. Dave in Baltimore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:04:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennnett" Subject: Return of the Muse (kind of long) I have to comment here after reading Bonne's heartfelt message regarding Joni's Today interview and her own sadness at her vanishing muse. Sometimes the Muse does seem to vanish for a while. Without going into a long personal story, I can tell you that the Muse does return. I think if you pick up your instrument and play on a regular basis, the Muse returns. It did for me. It took a friend encouraging me to pick up my guitar and to write again, to tell me that I had something to say and that it was good. I had let my muse go for several years due to too much mundane life getting in the way. To this day I feel like my encouraging friend saved my life, and as a result of his nudging, I went on to write better than ever and even to record my first CD! There is something to be said about the daily discipline of doing it---that calls in the Muse and gets your musical muscles back in gear. However, as you get older, your voice changes and you have to adjust to the lower range (ala Joni singing BSN in that rich lower voice as opposed to her younger soprano voice). I don't know exactly what is going on with Joni but from what I have read she seems to prefer putting her creative energy into her painting now instead of writing songs. It makes me sad too, to hear her say that she thinks the world doesn't need her when we really do. But her beautiful songs are timeless and she has given us a huge and inspired catalog of songs, so it is fine with me if she would rather paint. Yes, these times are less romantic than the days of her/our youth but there are still pockets of wonderful singer/songwriters making music outside of the traditional music biz. If I just listened to the radio, I would be missing out on a lot of great stuff. One more thought- I wonder if she ever did actually wrote from the motivation that the world needed her music. In my opinion, the best songs come from a deeply personal expression and it seems to me that she has usually written from that place. Now it seems her self expression is in painting and singing other peoples songs. Sometimes doing other peoples songs can re-inspire a songwriter to write again!!! Kate Bennett Singer Songwriter kate@katebennett.com www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:07:24 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni & Folk Song I love this song, but it is certainly more than an homage to folk music; most of the lyrics where directly lifted from a folk song (Come All You Fair???) as has been discussed in the past. Some of the lyrics seem to be Joni's own creation, most are rephrased from the original. RR Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > > What do you think of "The Silky Veils of Ardour?" From its consciously > antiquated title to the finger-pickin'( is that the right term?) guitar > intro, this song seems like an uncanny version of/tribute to traditional folk > music created wholly by Joni herself. I love this song, but it is certainly more than an homage to folk music; most of the lyrics where directly lifted from a folk song (Come All You Fair???) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:19:16 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: DIANA KRALL dave, yeah, i think several jmdlers had far more positive reactions to her performance than i did. i actually like diana kralls music, and have several songs off her latest album. i do believe she is a great talent. just didn't particularly care for her ACOY. alison e. - ---------- >From: dave fairall / beth miller >To: "joni@smoe.org" , "joni-digest@smoe.org" >Subject: DIANA KRALL >Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2000, 12:18 PM > >Alison E., > >Have to disagree with your comment.... > >"Does anyone get the feeling that Dianna Krall performed only because of > >her connections with Klein? I wasn't aware that she was a big Joni fan. >I >think her performance of ACOY was a little forced..". > >....and agree with Jerry, that Dianna Krall must surely be a Joni fan. > >She's from the Vancouver BC area, and went to Berklee in Boston, so odds > >are she's absorbed Joni's music all her life... if not because she's >Canadian, then no doubt through exposure at a jazz school like Berklee. >I thought her performance was heartfelt, and that she really connected >to the tune. >Knew she was a good player, but had never heard her sing quite like >that.....way cool. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:12:51 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Another convert I borrowed a friend's car the other day, and accidentally left my CD of "Blue" in it. He dropped me an email to tell me that I'd left it there, and said "wow, that's a fantastic album, I have to hear more of her!" Made my day. Another one bites the dust. ============================ I'm your Boogie Man That's what I am I'm here to do Whatever I can. - --KC & the Sunshine Band, 1976 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:25:04 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni & Folk Song Isn't Corrina, Corrina a folk song? Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:23:20 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: She Hisses Her Summer Lawns Of course it's there. I always thought that was a cute little joke. :-) ================================================================ "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Brain, but how are we gonna find chaps our size?" Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA, USA http://63.192.218.181 > From: Jamie Zubairi > Reply-To: Jamie Zubairi > Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:59:13 +0100 > To: JMDL > Subject: She Hisses Her Summer Lawns > > Having nothing really to talk about, everyone else talking about the Tribute > and the upcoming shows, I have decided to mention that when I was listening > to HOSL, and more in particularly the title track, I have heard that Joni > uses the word 'lawns' onomatopoeically, as in 'lawnsssssssss' like she was > hissing it herself. Has anyone found this too? > > Have a fresh listen. > > Also I have been listening to NRH recently and I have come to really respect > it's work. It's funny how certain sounds and phrases jump out at you when > you aren't listening too hard. All the 'voices' she uses in Slouching > Towards Bethlehem. I love The Windfall now and yet when it first came out > and until now I HATED it. > > Zoob > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:42:54 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni's Picture on Rosie's Page Here's a pic of Joni as she appeared on Rosie O'Donnel's show http://rosieo.warnerbros.com/ *****OR****** Go to http://www.rosieo.com Click on SCRAPBOOK at bottom of the page. Go to the drop-down menu and click on April 10 Samuel Jackson/Joni Mitchell NOTE TO JIMMY: Click on April 6 to see nice pics of Cybill eating pigs feet!!!. That's one of her favorite treats. What a gal to chow these down on national TV! :-D So, Rosie, how 'come Samuel has three pictures in your Scrapbook and Joni only has one!! hmmmmmmmm....I wonder if your brothers know about this! Also, the other day Rosie was talking to a guest (can't remember who) and Rosie said something to the affect, "It's like that Joni Mitchell Song, Both Sides Now, your illusion your preception of what they are............" ***FREEBIES FOR FREEBIE LOVERS ONLY BELOW*** Win a pound of coffee. Today's answers are B, False, and True. Altho, I don't thinkthe answers have to be correct for you to win. I won but didn't know it until the day after when I got an email message from them. Play every day. http://www.peets.com/freshness/ Free Art Print http://www.freeartprints.com/why.html Not Joni but not bad!!! Put one of these on your wall until we get one of Joni's! (you will be required to pick it up at a frame shop....and may get a sales pitch for a frame. Remember if you DON'T want a frame you can just say NO! Frame it yourself to save some big $$$$. Walmart or Micahels Arts & Crafts sells poster frames for about $19.99....then with Michael's weekly 40% off coupon -in the flyer from Sunday's paper- for regular priced items you can get it for even less!!). Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:47:54 -0700 From: "susan+rick" Subject: Tribute Casual - ---------- From: "susan+rick" To: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Tribute Casual Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2000, 11:13 AM As is often the case I find myself inspired to post after reading something from the Rev. Vince (maybe it's my old altar boy background surfacing due to some sort of spiritual link). He wrote: >I remember those absurd arguments with my parents about bell bottoms > and turtlenecks to church being disrespectful... > I feel sorrow for all of those who have grown up to be as stodgy and > narrow and closed as we complained of our parents of being... Vince's post made me realize how lucky I was to have the mother I did. Amidst all the turmoil of the 60's (long hair, weird clothes, rebellion for rebellion's sake) my mother always accepted me for who I was (sounds trite I know). One time, discussing what to wear to some event, she said "Ricky [yeah, she called me Ricky], you look so good in blue jeans, why don't you just wear what you always do. That's how I always think of you." From that day on, the occasion has been very rare indeed where I've worn anything other than jeans and a clean shirt, sweater, or t-shirt. Because I knew she loved me for myself, I wore jeans to my mother's funeral, as an act of love and respect. I took some flak for it but I know who I am and I thank my mother for that in part. On a strictly volume-oriented note, I've been on the list for the better part of a year now and thought I had it all down pretty well: read, file, delete at leisure, post once a week or so, life on the list was a lark. But due to a combination of the unbelievable deluge of posts and my wife's monopolizing of the computer due to year-end projects I find myself 185 post behind and counting. I am developing a technique called speed-lurking which I hope will get me caught up by June ;-} All good things Rick PS to Ashara: On my long list of things to do on Good Friday, prep and package for mailing the videos I promised you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:07:43 PDT From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: DIANA KRALL I too, love Diana Krall and found her performance of ACOY to be a little more than I was interested in. It seemed forced and dull to me. I was expecting something different, I guess. I also thought it was extremely tacky the way that they plugged her "Grammy winning CD 'When I Look In Your Eyes', and showed the album cover in the middle of her introduction. Anyone else? Reuben >From: "Alison Einerson" >Reply-To: "Alison Einerson" >To: "dave fairall / beth miller" , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: DIANA KRALL >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:19:16 -0600 > >dave, >yeah, i think several jmdlers had far more positive reactions to her >performance than i did. >i actually like diana kralls music, and have several songs off her latest >album. i do believe she is a great talent. just didn't particularly care >for >her ACOY. >alison e. > >---------- > >From: dave fairall / beth miller > >To: "joni@smoe.org" , "joni-digest@smoe.org" > > >Subject: DIANA KRALL > >Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2000, 12:18 PM > > > > >Alison E., > > > >Have to disagree with your comment.... > > > >"Does anyone get the feeling that Dianna Krall performed only because of > > > >her connections with Klein? I wasn't aware that she was a big Joni fan. > >I > >think her performance of ACOY was a little forced..". > > > >....and agree with Jerry, that Dianna Krall must surely be a Joni fan. > > > >She's from the Vancouver BC area, and went to Berklee in Boston, so odds > > > >are she's absorbed Joni's music all her life... if not because she's > >Canadian, then no doubt through exposure at a jazz school like Berklee. > >I thought her performance was heartfelt, and that she really connected > >to the tune. > >Knew she was a good player, but had never heard her sing quite like > >that.....way cool. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:36:36 EDT From: EVRIBUTJON@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #206 Hi Everybody, At the Joni tribute (Which I thought was wonderful, and Diana Krall's "A Case Of You" outstanding!) I kept looking at the guy to Joni's left, and thinking , "Who is he?". Finally, it came to me. Am I completely off the mark or isn't it Jimmy Webb? John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 14:44:11 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: re: Tribute and a list of men From: "Tina Rile" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:52:11 -0700 Hello to all of you wonderful folks on the digest. I am new here..radically inspired after that moving tribute! I taped it and have watched it twice now and my body just gets chills over and over! Cyndi Lauper's rendition of "Carrie" was amazing and Wynonna was absolutely ideal for YTMOIAR. Did Larry Klein personally select which artists could cover and what they chose? What is the scoop on his artistic direction exactly? who else wanted to be a part of this program and was turned away? For instance where was "The artist formerly known as..." Finally what I most want to plumb is the mystery of all Joni's men. i will personally make a donation to the producer of this digest if anyone can give me a "discography" of sorts listing all the men of her intimate life and the songs they go to. I really wish just one of them would share his side of the story! I mean what happened in the marriage to Larry Klein? that bit the dust in a nanosecond! What gives? Please reply to tinycoffee@dock.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:19:30 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Cute crowd shots... Hi all. Awesome Joni times, eh? Kakki wrote: >The guy sitting next to Joni on her right is her boyfriend Donald Freed. And he did look especially gorgeous that night! The guy who sat on the other side of her (my hunch is Steve Macklam) is also pretty cute ;-) < Ha! That's so typical of her. I have seen the picture of Joni and Bob Mueller. So typical of her, always drapped all over the cute guys. Gee Joan, do you have to be SO transparent??? I want a picture of her in my arms in Saskatoon, like Bobbo's, but I think I'll need a face transplant first. Can anyone help? (Exaggerating slightly, but only so...) John. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:22:57 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: some thoughts on the All Star Tribute to Joni Mitchell From: "Kurt Joachim von Behrmann" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:20:08 -0700 To: The Group From: Kurt Joachim von Behrmann Subject TNT All Start Tribute To Joni Mitchell Well, I just had to share my five cents worth with the group. I wrote a brief piece about the show, which if anyone is interested I would be happy to email along with my Joni Mitchell inspired art if interested. Ok, to the chase. Overall I really enjoyed the tribute. The high points were for me as follows Wynonna did a great job, and has a way with Joni Mitchell's music. Although I am not a big Brian Adams fan, he mangaed to do a respectable job. But Wynnona way outclassed him as a musician and singer. k.d. Lang is just excellent. Her rendition of a slower sultry version of her big 70's hit "Help ME" was just too sweet. This one really captured the erotic feel of this song. Shawn Colvin and Mary Chapin Carpenter were just perfect choices. I could see them doing a whole concert of Mitchell compositions. Kudos to Ashley Judd who did an excellent job of introducing other acts. She spoke very eloquently. Also to Lawrence Fishbourne and Susan Surandon, who were also perfect. Sweet Honey in the Rock, they are always good, and this night they were not exception. A nice reworking of the Circle Game. Honorable Mention, Ok, but not my favorites Cindy Lauper, now I enjoy Cindy Lauper. She has made some good music, but I just don't think this rendition was as charming as Joni Mitchell's. I could think of any number of songs she could have sung that would have been better for her. It didn't work for me. James Taylor, I like James Taylor, but the song and the way he sung it did not capture the drama of the original. Again, I can think of a number of Mitchell songs that would have been a better choice. Diana Krall, I have to admit Joni did this one well, I think this was a nice version. Well worth the time. It just seems that certain songs are just so closely associated with Joni Mitchell that it is hard to envision anyone doing them nearly as well. Someone take the mic away Richard Thompson, I think there was a reason there were so few cuts to Joni Mitchell during Richard Thompson's horrific version of the 60's anthem "Woodstock." What he did to "Black Crow should be considered a criminal act. His voice, grating and off and on key singing was just awful. To do what he did should be punished. I really think Joni Mitchell thought it sucked as badly as I did. Easily the worse part of the show in my opinion. Cassandra Wilson tried hard, but it just didn't jell for me. This has never been an easy song to sing, but Wilson for me just didn't capture the "jazz" feel of the song. Dry Cleaner is a fun song and it was all lost on this dead version that just did not swing. Elton John, boy it was a real pain to see him play and sing this classic. It just did not suite him any more than his bad wigs. Elton has made some classic music, but I think he lacks the sincerity in his music of Joni Mitchell. I think he just seemed out of place. Let me know what you think by emailing me at address below. Just spare me hate mail. kvonbehrmann@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:28:15 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Tribute and a list of men anyone > can give me a "discography" of sorts listing all the men of her intimate > life and the songs they go to. I really wish just one of them would > share his side of the story! oh dear, I am soooo tired of having to fend off these questions. Look here, Joni and I had a brief but torrid affair a long time ago. It is over now. we don't even speak. last night whilst sharing an 'after' cigarrette Carly asked me about this but I just said it was far too painful an episode in my life and I really didn't want to talk about it. Isn't it enough I have to put up with her ex (james) all the time without her bringing up this Joni thing all the time? Geez, shea took two of us away from her, isn't that enough? So please, people, don't ask me about this highly personal matter anymore. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:32:32 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: some thoughts on the All Star Tribute to Joni Mitchell > > k.d. Lang is just excellent. Her rendition of a slower sultry version of her > big 70's hit "Help ME" was just too sweet. This one really captured the > erotic feel of this song. But you left out the MOST important bit of the evening. her clothes. I mean, kd must be going str8 to hell for showing such disrespect to the Goddess. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:52:17 -0400 From: "Brian Butterick" Subject: re: Joni & Folk Song What about "A Bird That Whistles" from CMIARS? It IS the folk song " Corrina, Corrina," after all. - --hat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:14:59 -0700 From: "Kate Bennnett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #207 John, Hmmm,you might be right, I too wondered why he looked so dang familiar- don't have the tape to verify though. Another who was that question- in the back row, was that a little boy with curly black hair? John wroter: I kept looking at the guy to Joni's left, and thinking , "Who is he?". Finally, it came to me. Am I completely off the mark or isn't it Jimmy Webb? John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:45:56 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: Kilauren? Was Kilauren at the tribute? Does anyone know? thanks dax ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:51:16 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: friends and joni i was wondering if anyone has had a similar problem as this. My very best friend seems to have blinders on when it comes to Joni. Since our friendship began she (my friend) has influenced my taste somewhat. Due to her, my musical collection has grown tremendously. I go to all the concerts and stuff that she wants to even if I don't necessarily like the musician. However, she does not return this favor. Only recently have I realized this. She won't even give Joni a try and can give no reason for it. Truthfully, I think it is my enthusiasm for Joni that makes my friend not want to give her a chance. Is this familiar to anyone? I'm wondering if it this is not a sign of deeper problem in the friendship. dax ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:17:43 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Fw: K.d. lang's clothes - -----Original Message----- From: vollmarr To: hell@ihug.co.nz Date: Friday, 21 April 2000 20:54 Subject: K.d. lang's clothes Forwarded by request! >Kakki wrote: " k.d. should have dressed up a bit more, " what her mom >thought about k.d. in older generation review of Tribute. I think k.d. >dressed the way she did as a comment about where we are today, so far off >base in what life is all about. I LOL, and I must add that I have laughed >very much lately about anything. I wonder if she did it as a tribute to >what maybe Joni thinks about all this as well. I have been having trouble >posting to the list, I get a "! message could not be sent." Could you post >my comments to joni@smoe.org for me? Sorry! > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:58:09 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: some thoughts on the All Star Tribute to Joni Mitchell >> k.d. Lang is just excellent. Her rendition of a slower sultry version of her >> big 70's hit "Help ME" was just too sweet. This one really captured the >> erotic feel of this song. Catman wrote in response to the above: >But you left out the MOST important bit of the evening. her clothes. I >mean, kd must be going str8 to hell for showing such disrespect to the >Goddess. Str8 to Hell? Yeah, send her over here, and I'll teach her some respect! Don't know about setting her str8 though. Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:04:45 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni & Folk Song John wrote: >I have long been intrigued by the fact that Joni, unlike other >musicians who emerged from a ‘folk’ background, has never recorded any >traditional folk songs. Even bootleg recordings of early performances, >such as those at the Second Fret, reveal none in her repertoire. Why >did she stop singing them? I think it's got a lot to do with the fact that she wrote so prolifically. She had so many of her own songs, that there just wasn't room for anything else. And it must be more rewarding to see your own songs recorded, than someone else's. It took her until Court and Spark to include a song that she didn't write herself, and it's only now, 30 years on, that's she's recording an (almost) entire album of other people's songs. I also get the feeling that she's never liked the "folk-singer" label, and maybe she feels that recording folk songs (even her own) would just make it that much harder to shake? Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:04:27 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: some thoughts on the All Star Tribute to Joni Mitchell > > Str8 to Hell? Yeah, send her over here, and I'll teach her some respect! > Don't know about setting her str8 though. I doubt it- but I am sure you could show her Heaven, Hell > > Hell > _______________________________ > "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with > available extremes" - Carole King > > hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:15:55 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni & Folk Song > > What do you think of "The Silky Veils of Ardour?" From its consciously > > antiquated title to the finger-pickin'( is that the right term?) guitar > > intro, this song seems like an uncanny version of/tribute to traditional folk > > music created wholly by Joni herself. > I love this song, but it is certainly more than > an homage to folk music; most of the lyrics where directly > lifted from a folk song (Come All You Fair???) Actually I believe it was more than one traditional song. Part of it comes from 'Wayfaring Stranger' These words are from the version Emmylou Harris sings with Joni's SVOA along side for comparison: WS: SVOA: I am a poor wayfaring stranger I am a poor wayfaring stranger While traveling through this world of woe Traveling through all these highs & lows There is no sickness toil or danger I heard there was no sickness And no toil or danger In that bright world to which I go Just mercy and plenty Where peaceful waters flow And the last bit comes from a song called 'Dink's Blues'. This is how Carly Simon sings that one on the Clouds In My Coffee box set (with Joni along side again): DB: SVOA: If I had wings I wish I had the wings Like Noah's dove Of Noah's pretty little white dove I'd fly across the water So I could fly this raging river To that man I love To reach the one I love Just another example of Joni's genius with words. Even when she's borrowing she somehow manages to make it her own. 'Slouching Toward Bethlehem' and 'Job's Sad Song' are prime examples of how she can shape someone else's poetry or prose into a song lyric and make it true to the original and yet seem new & uniquely her own. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:19:32 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni & Folk Song > Isn't Corrina, Corrina a folk song? > > Debra Shea > I always thought it was an old Blues song. It does have a traditional Blues form, does it not? Mark in Seattle 'People ask me, "Rose, when did you first learn to sing the Blues?" and you know what I tell them? I tell them "On the day I was born." What movie is that from? (Jerry, you're disqualified!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:44:45 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni & Folk Song > Just another example of Joni's genius with words. Even when she's > borrowing she somehow manages to make it her own. 'Slouching Toward > Bethlehem' and 'Job's Sad Song' are prime examples of how she can > shape someone else's poetry or prose into a song lyric and make it > true to the original and yet seem new & uniquely her own. > > Mark in Seattle Sorry about the mess those lyrics turned into. I should know better by now than to attempt sending anything with a lot of spaces in it. I can attempt to sort this out if anyone cares. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:44:43 -0000 From: "alan larson" Subject: Re: DIANA KRALL I loved diana krall's performance... as i did jt's, and rt's, and cl's... original and mesmerizing covers... imho great stuff... fresh and original i too noticed joni smoking...one of the perks of being the honoree, i suppose... LOL alan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 02:57:05 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Joni & Folk Song I'm certain the song is called 'Poor Wayfaring Stranger'. I think Joan Baez sings a version but definitely in the folk idiom. I love Joni's rewrite and it's wonderful song to sing. Let me tell you a little anecdote. I had to sing acapella in an audition once and this song come into my head just before it was my turn. I cut a stanza out because it didn't suit the timing but I sang I am a poor wayfaring stranger travelling thru all these highs and lows I heard there was no sickness and no toil or danger Just mercy or plenty where peaceful waters flow where peaceful water flow. If I had only seen thru those silky veils of ardour I would have lock up my heart In a golden sheath of armour and kept its crazy beating Under strictest secrecy High security (We were in a small group of actors in a huddle being quite touchy feely, and I felt as if I had them in the palm of my hand at this point, I continued) I wish I had the wings of Noah's pretty little white dove So I could fly this raging river TO reach the one I love (A little awwww came from the girl on my left) But I have no wings And the water is so wide.... We'll have to row a little harder (and at this line, the group burst out laughing) It's just in dreams we fly (still maintaining the overall emotion of the song, playing it like I had meant the line to be funny) It's just in dreams we fly In my dreams we fly.... I guess it's such a tender song, and the gravity of the song is a little hard to take. Or perhaps it my timing, that people felt they needed a little light relief, but the rest brought them back down. It's funny when you're singing a song new people find something irreverently funny to the song, something which I usually miss (it's Joni, it's gotta be serious, a theme which I am changing slowly) and nice to find that little piece of new something ot a song. And the guitar intro is NOT folk, though the fingerpicking style in the main is. And as for the chords.... well.... Much Joni Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #154 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?