From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #152 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, April 20 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 152 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni and 'friends', A Tribute [Spyder8@webtv.net] RE: River ["Kate Bennnett" ] Re: Alas, More Comments on TNT (Long) ["Kakki" ] Covers and contributions ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: TNT Tribute [catman ] Re: Joni and 'friends', A Tribute - Mystery Cleared! [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Record Biz 101 [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: more tribute thoughts [Susan McNamara ] Re: Tribute Casual [Susan McNamara ] Re: Tribute Concert Band ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: guitar tunings [Susan McNamara ] BSN review ["geronimo" ] RE: Tribute Concert Band ["Carver, Dax" ] last week's record sales ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: guitar tunings [TanyerSCO@aol.com] Re: guitar tunings [TanyerSCO@aol.com] Re: Alas, More Comments on TNT (Long) [Jerry Notaro ] Under The Covers CD [Greg Dudichum ] Six degrees of Joni ["C.A. Starkey" ] trying to be a musician ["Carver, Dax" ] Re: more tribute thoughts [Susan McNamara ] Re: Larry Klein movie!!! [Julie Webb ] Humbled Harper [Louis Lynch ] Re: Humbled Harper [Jerry Notaro ] Today Show broadcast on Net [Phyliss Ward ] Joni's catalog sales numbers [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] [none] [Brian Gross ] Feedback to TNT [Louis Lynch ] who came to the UK JONIFEST/TROUBADOUR? [Martin Giles ] Re: Record Biz 101 [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Tribute thoughts... [Les Irvin ] Re: Joni's Management Team [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Tribute Concert Band [dsk ] Re: Humbled Harper [Catherine McKay ] trying to be a musician ["Kate Bennnett" ] 99x ["Carver, Dax" ] Re: Joni's Management Team ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni's Management Team ["C.A. Starkey" ] Re: Joni's Management Team [Phyliss Ward ] Fagen and Becker follow Joni ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 03:47:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Spyder8@webtv.net Subject: Joni and 'friends', A Tribute An old friend called the other night to tell me about a "Tribute" to Joni Mitchell that would be on TV that night, and that I should watch. This "friend" and I go back a long way, back to the 70's when we had our matching (almost) knit tunics specially made like the one joni wore in her "Blue" period. I got a charge when Chapin &Colvin confessed of "green velvet and Frye boots" a'la Joni as well. It just never ceases to amaze me how like others we all are (when we thought WE were "So" original) and how much this woman/artist has impressed and affected our collective psyches. I truly feel part of some collectve soul/unity that this icon of a lady has imbued on this life of ours.. What I found most touching as I was absorbing this historic moment/event, was how many artists shared their own personal reverence for and intimate impressions of Joni. Like when James bowed so reverently, and Eltons reference to "The Queen" being less intimidating than Joni. She seemed truly humbled by all the fuss being made her. What a great honor, and none more richly deserving. But "WE" all knew that, many of us years ago, when we first heard her. How ironic, 30 years or so later, that Both Sides Now, arguably, her most "commercial" success of old,should return in its full glory, to hold the hearts once more, in the Autumn of her days, coming full circle... ah, .the 'game'......"we can't return, we can only look behind from where we came.. and go round and round and round... forgive my rambling, I could go on and on, but tonight Im thanking God for old friends , old memories, and mostly for a finely, aging queen of art and mind and music who shall always be an angel in my heart ......and a ps, I do believe that James was most definitely "The Case" and it was so apt for him to sing 'River" ..."...an now Ive gone an lost the best baby that I ever had, awww, I wish I had a river..." methinks Jimmy an Joni were the thang indeed, and in his mind Jone the bone on her throne where she belone' still holds the very high place of Q<^>ueen in his mind, i also suspect his large feet and large hands accompany other large appendages of his that had great "appeal" or a-peel{a'la banana} for our Miss Joan, I also suspect Miss Joan struck many a bone for the Sweet Baby Himself. They certainly shone like ex-flames. (Sorry for the graphic innuendo, i couldnt resist) All in all a great show, thanks for tuning in! And, oh yeah, wasnt it sweet when Joni at the end on stage said something like..." And, Id like to have everyone back and...uh...do... uh... {WHAT Joan, WHAT????} "SOMETHING"...hummmm...? Just WHAT pray tell, WAS that "Something" anyway?? ...Kinda sounded like she wanted to bring everyone home for a wine and cheese party did'nt it?, Now... THAT!...would have been the place to be! Can you dig? Like WOW Man Im having a few superstars over for a snack an Jam, are ya busy later? I apologize for being overly long here, Im just back on the list after a long hiatus, and totally loving being back, you know how it is.... Bonne akaspyder ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:06:08 -0700 From: "Kate Bennnett" Subject: RE: River Oh yes it's a great version, so how do I get these cover (cds?)- sorry I am new and reading volumes of posts rapidly and not retaining it all. Just saw the 3rd TNT broadcast (early enough thanks to satellite) and yes RT did Black Crow really well in his own way it was great, another awesome aural moment were the background singers for Carey- so beautiful. And again Amelia was GEORGEOUS but I am biased-- I love Shawn Colvin, second only to JM, I love her singing with MCC and I LOVE the song, the melody, the words. Their guitars and harmonies were exquisite. Kate Bennett Singer Songwriter kate@katebennett.com www.katebennett.com - -----Original Message----- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com [mailto:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 8:43 PM To: kate@katebennett.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: River In a message dated 4/19/00 2:46:08 PM US Central Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: << Has anyone heard Holly Cole's version of River (I don't think I saw it on your compilation CD, forgive me if it was). I really like it! >> Holly Cole rules! And her cover of River is gorgeous! It's on Volume 1, which looks like this: 1. Fairport Convention - Eastern Rain 2. Fairport Convention - Marcie 3. Fairport Convention - Chelsea Morning 4. Fairport Convention - I Don't Know Where I Stand 5. Fairport Convention - Night In The City 6. Fairport Convention - Woodstock (live) 7. Fairport Convention - Both Sides Now (live) 8. Tim Curry - Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire 9. Caroline Lavelle - A Case of You 10. Cleo Laine - Both Sides Now 11. Cassandra Wilson - Black Crow 12. Betty Buckley - River 13. Betty Buckley - A Case of You 14. Bonnie Raitt - That Song About The Midway 15. Holly Cole - River 16. Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Woodstock (alternate version) 17. Phoebe Snow - A Case of You 18. Dan Fogelberg - Nexus (Joni on backing vocal) Holly also gets EXTREME bonus points for doing a whole record of Tom Waits covers! When's the whole record of Joni covers coming out Holly? :~) Bob NP: The Beatles, "Nowhere Man" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:06:06 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Alas, More Comments on TNT (Long) Lindsay wrote: > I thought Shawn Colvin and Mary Chapin Carpenter did great >versions of their songs. My husband was thinking they were >out of tune on Chelsea Morning, but to me it sounded right. >The harmonies are just unusual which is why it is a great >song and so Joni. I thought Amelia was just beautiful As some others have mentioned, it is so interesting to see everyone's reactions to the various performers. So many performances that some loved, others didn't. Even my non-Joni friends, who I've brought to Joni through sheer osmosis, all had widely varying reactions. Some people thought Shawn and Mary were out of tune, but one friend thought they were in perfect tune but that their voices were just mismatched as a duo. (I thought they sounded fine on both songs). He also was completely hynotized and knocked over by Cyndi Lauper on Carey while I thought she went on a little too long (sorry!), although I love her dearly. Another friend didn't like most any of it and shut it off halfway through. His only comments were "I liked those two women who sang together" and "who was the dude who looks like Clapton?" A co-worker, who just last year was always annoyingly dismissive of Joni in my presence, suddenly became her biggest fan ever after watching the Tribute and talks about her authoritatively like he is her official spokesman now ;-) > Need I even mention her singing "BSN"? It brings me to >tears every time. I am so excited about the L.A. May 12 day which will be here soon. Hope I have enough Kleenex ... Oh God, I now have this permanent Pavlovian response of getting weepy every time I see Joni performing the songs. Thanks to Phyliss, I just received a video of the Rosie and Katie Couric shows, and started crying every time Joni started singing. I cried through both showings of the Tribute, too. I'm afraid we are going to need a huge amount of Kleenex to get through the entire concert. Can anyone recommend some industrial strength waterproof make-up, while we're at it? ;-) > P.S. Trivia Question: In the videos (I believe the segment >narrated by Tony Bennett focusing on her as a painter) there >are a couple of shots of her at a canvas on maybe a patio >with her foot in a cast. What did I miss? Does anyone know >about this mishap? There is a little segment in Henry Diltz's Under the Covers CD-Rom where he talks about going to her (now washed away)Malibu beach house to take those photographs and she was sitting in that window painting with her foot up in a cast. I think he said she had broken her foot. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:14:19 PDT From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Covers and contributions I received the rest of the discs of this wonderful project from Bob. I must say that our Bob has done a great job and I'd like to thank him for all the effort he has put into it. I was thinking how fortunate we are to be part of this community and have access to music otherwise difficult to get. So, thanks a lot Bob! One minor detail: if I hear another version of BSN by Judy Collins I might scream! Raffaele in London ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:53:30 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: TNT Tribute Mike Friedman wrote: > > Sweetest, we must get you a copy of this tape! :-) Why, thank you, sugar plumb. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:00:05 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and 'friends', A Tribute - Mystery Cleared! In a message dated 4/20/00 12:50:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Spyder8@webtv.net writes: << I got a charge when Chapin &Colvin confessed of "green velvet and Frye boots" a'la Joni as well. >> Aha! For me, the Tribute had a few operating problems. The first being that, since I don't watch TV that much nor do I ever really pay attention to anything, I started out watching "TNN," (aka "The Nashville Network I now know). I patiently waited through country/western videos that I bravely tried to connect with Joni. Fortunately, my 10 y.o. came through the living room, took one look at the TV and announced, "no way is any Joni thing going to be on THAT channel," and I was able to scramble and discover "TNT." I was glad that the show was closed captioned so I could better understand what was being said and sung. The captioned text, however, called Joni's boots "Froggy boots," on more than one occasion which confused the heck out of me. It's been interesting to read the different Tribute thoughts. I found everyone terrific but for me, the most moving thing was what a personal impact Joni has had on the performing artists in the show. These people did not just appreciate her artistic talent, they felt a connection with her art that went beyond admiring a pretty tune and intelligent lyrics. MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:14:38 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Record Biz 101 Brenda wrote: > I would imagine it might be difficult for Joni to take her current show on the > road, given the orchestra and all. The main inhibitor for promoting outside of > your home territory is cost. It is hugely expensive to engage an orchestra in > every city you go to and cover all the rehearsal expense. The only additional cost I can think of is the flight across the Atlantic, assume double the cost of US internal. After that the cost of hotels, food, travel, musician hire etc would be the same. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:44:25 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: more tribute thoughts As I was watching Richard I was thinking he is like the Celtic Clapton! I love his "shoot the lights out" cd. try it! ><< After the '98 tour I insist on hearing him play on > BLACK CROW. Richard Thompson was magnificent. >> > >Before all the new knowledge I picked up from the list, I had never heard of >Richard Thompson nor really like Black Crow. I am a convert to both. > >No regrets, > >Coyote >Casa Alegre >Hollywood, California > >I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:53:55 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Tribute Casual At 11:44 PM -0400 4/19/00, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: >"Hope I die before I get old!" > > >Vince Hey Vince, man....let your freak flag fly!!!! right on! :-) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:59:06 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Tribute Concert Band Maybe the band is not appreciated in this thread. In retrospect, I'm glad that so much of her band was present. It's always cool to see Larry Klein playing Joni's music, right? Did I really notice that the first time through? Nooooooo. I agree with whomever said that the cut-aways to Joni were weird and sociological. It seemed like they (TNT Network) didn't edit when they had the chance. Especially when Cindy Lauper was extending her going around for 'another' chorus. Joni goes, "Come ON!". At least that's what I see. Others? Agree? Disagree? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:58:36 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: guitar tunings At 11:44 PM -0400 4/19/00, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: >I visited the new site for Joni and checked out the guitar tabs section. >Question for guitar players - I know some major and minor chords like >G, Gm, D, Dm. etc - Does one play the same finger >configurations/placements when you tune the guitar differently ?? > >David Paul > David: The answer to your question is YES! when the guitar is tuned to an open chord or an alternate tuning there would be different fingerings for the chords you are talking about. The beautiful thing about it though is the fingerings are a lot easier once you get the hang of it. Try People's Parties for a start. That was the first song I played in alternate tuning and the experience changed me. Keep in touch and let me know how the journey goes!!! :-) Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:52:40 +1000 From: "geronimo" Subject: BSN review There's a glowing review of BSN in the March edition of Out Magazine. I saw it in a newsagency in Sydney the other day (but didn't buy it) so it's probably been out for ages in the US in anyone wants to read it Nicholas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:05:04 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: RE: Tribute Concert Band I'm glad I didn't see Joni do that. Joni is the ultimate for me and I would have been totally disappointed in her attitude if I had seen her say that. Cyndi's version was wonderful and Cyndi obviously loves Joni. Was Joni saying that in a negative way? dax > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim L'Hommedieu [SMTP:jlamadoo@one.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 7:59 AM > To: _JMDL - June 98 > Subject: Re: Tribute Concert Band > > Maybe the band is not appreciated in this thread. In retrospect, I'm glad > that so much of her band was present. It's always cool to see Larry Klein > playing Joni's music, right? Did I really notice that the first time > through? Nooooooo. > > I agree with whomever said that the cut-aways to Joni were weird and > sociological. It seemed like they (TNT Network) didn't edit when they had > the chance. Especially when Cindy Lauper was extending her going around > for > 'another' chorus. Joni goes, "Come ON!". At least that's what I see. > Others? Agree? Disagree? > > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:11:47 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Larry Klein movie!!! Julie, The only other I know of is Grace of My Heart, where he played a small but impressive part at a sleazy record producer. He was, of course, the real music producer of this wonderful movie (my first dvd purchase.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:31:35 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: last week's record sales I copied this from an article I was reading: Top sales increase of the week went to singer Christina Aguilera, whose eponymous first album (RCA) was up 8,000 copies over its previous week's figures. Other significant sales gainers were rock group Creed's "Human Clay" (Windup) -- up 7,000 copies; rapper Jay-Z's "Life and Times of S. Carter" (Rock-A-Fella/Def Jam); the various artists' two-CD Christian compilation "Wow Worship Orange" (Integrity/Word/Epic); and singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell's "Both Sides Now" (Warner Bros.), all of which were up 6,000 units. That should make the folks at Warner Brothers happy! Can our new guru tell us in layman's terms what this means? Sue Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:51:09 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: guitar tunings In a message dated 4/20/00 3:04:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << I visited the new site for Joni and checked out the guitar tabs section. Question for guitar players - I know some major and minor chords like G, Gm, D, Dm. etc - Does one play the same finger configurations/placements when you tune the guitar differently ?? David Paul >>Yes. When you change the tuning of your guitar, all the fingerings change. I know that the guitar site on JMDL.com has all the fingerings there for you and some have full tablature (which is great because then you can just read the tab). Hope this helps. Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:53:50 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: guitar tunings In a message dated 4/20/00 3:04:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << I visited the new site for Joni and checked out the guitar tabs section. Question for guitar players - I know some major and minor chords like G, Gm, D, Dm. etc - Does one play the same finger configurations/placements when you tune the guitar differently ?? David Paul >> Oops. I realized that I answered your question "yes", when my explanaiton said "no". The fingerings change so "no", one does not play the same fingerings when you tune the guitar differently. Duh. Tanya : ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:57:15 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Alas, More Comments on TNT (Long) My sister grew up listening to my playing Joni from every sound source in the house. Then listening to me sing her songs on my autoharp and Yamaha guitar, struggling with all those damn tunings. I even sang Circle Game as she walked down the aisle on her wedding day (the only time I ever saw my father cry.) But she was never a fan. But she loves kd, Mary Chapin, and Shawn. So she and her boyfriend watched the tribute and were blown away by it all. She called me to say how incredibly impressed she was at the respect the artists all genuinely displayed for her. I guess it answered the age old question, There is Never Too Much Joni. np: Elaine Paige - Encore ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:57:23 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: guitar tunings Nope, once you tune the guitar differently almost all chords will be different once you tune it alternately. For instance if you played D in standard, xx0232, and then played the same shape in, oh, say, DADGBD, you would get some weird sounding chord. That isn't always the case though. You could play the shape xx202x both in standard and open G (as in FTR). Both would sound the same since the strings played are tuned the same. NPIMH-some Metallica song I heard on the radio yesterday At 9:10 PM -0700 4/19/00, David P. Swanson wrote: >I visited the new site for Joni and checked out the guitar tabs section. >Question for guitar players - I know some major and minor chords like >G, Gm, D, Dm. etc - Does one play the same finger >configurations/placements when you tune the guitar differently ?? > >David Paul - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:57:12 -0400 From: Greg Dudichum Subject: Under The Covers CD Lindsay Moon asked: P.S. Trivia Question: In the videos (I believe the segment narrated by=20 Tony Bennett focusing on her as a painter) there are a couple of shots of=20 her at a canvas on maybe a patio with her foot in a cast. What did I miss?=20 Does anyone know about this mishap? While reading thru the extensive JM Home page, there was a mention of an interactive CD by Henry Diltz (photographer) and Gary Burdon (cover artist) called Under the Covers of Classic Rock =A9 1996. I ordered it from the link below: http://www.cdaccess.com/html/shared/undercov.htm This CD was better than I expected and a lot of the pictures shown on TNT tribute were Henry Diltz's including the one of Joni painting with a cast on her foot. There are two on CD along with a narration by Henry about it.=20 It came in four days at a total cost of $20.90. It's a hybrid (Mac+Win) CD loaded with Joni, CSN, Doors, Eagles, etc. circa 1968-1974. There are many QuickTime movies and narations by both Diltz & Burdon. One note on the movies: I have a Mac and had to switch from QT 4.0 back to QT 3.0 so the colages would display properly. QT 2.5 is included on the CD. Otherwise it worked fine. Again I am not affiliated with any =2E.com. This is a must for all Joni collectors. bye, Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:14:51 -0400 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Six degrees of Joni When I finally made it to bed around 2am ish, I am flipping through the stations and there is Joni on TNT singing "BSN", and then I decide to flip again, and there is Joni on VH-1 on one of the History of Rock and Roll Installments. I thought it was interesting that after her they segwayed to Janis Joplin, another performer that I like, (hence my email addy), but the roads they both wound up taking lead them to two entirely different paths. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:17:29 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: trying to be a musician I'm a published poet and just bought my first guitar (25, not too late to start is it!!). I'm learning to play! I'm very nervous about this kind of thing, but it's nice to be on a list with musicians and artists such as the one's on this list who adore someone like Joni! dax ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:43:32 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: more tribute thoughts In a message dated 4/20/00 7:46:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: << As I was watching Richard I was thinking he is like the Celtic Clapton! I love his "shoot the lights out" cd. try it! >> now see, that is it exactly. that is what i was thinking when i heard him too. i found one of his cd's in town this week, thanks to debra's help, and celtic is the word i would use to describe it. he sounds a little irish. pat ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 00 08:04:02 PDT From: Christopher Steppee Subject: TNT Tribute Does anyone know who the people were who were in the box with Joni? I am assuming Mom, Dad, boyfriend? ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:05:26 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: more tribute thoughts At 10:43 AM -0400 4/20/00, Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: >now see, that is it exactly. that is what i was thinking when i heard him >too. i found one of his cd's in town this week, thanks to debra's help, and >celtic is the word i would use to describe it. he sounds a little irish. pat Sounds Irish, but he's English. Celtic covers it! :-) I found a bio/discography site if you are interested: http://www.thebeesknees.com/bk-rt-bi.html sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:05:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Julie Webb Subject: Re: Larry Klein movie!!! - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > The only other I know of is Grace of My Heart, Well Larry has a major part in this particular movie. (At first I thought he resembled Billy Joel.) He also did the original music in "Sugar Town." There were some purposefully awful song selections created to show that some of the musicians were clueless as far as possessing any artistic merit. It's my guess that Klein had a thigh-slapping time creating the following songs: "Gravy-Stained Woman" and "Sleep Therapy," (as in, "I need some.") You guys will love this movie. It deliciously parodies all the whoring in the production of the rock-star-making-machinery...in which our Joni finds so bewildering. Hi Phyliss, the movie was made in 1999. Not sure about DVD..... This is what the imdb.com site says: Unimpassioned look at the lives of struggling L.A. scene rock stars follows main character, Gwen (Jade Gordon), on her quest for the top. Working as an assistant to a film production designer (Ally Sheedy), she tries to steal her boy friend (Larry Klein) who is a music producer by offering sexual favors. The producer meanwhile is trying to orchestrate a comeback for a former glam band played by Michael Des Barres (of Power Station fame), John Taylor (from Duran Duran), and Martin Kemp (from Spandau Ballet). Rosanna Arquette plays the former movie star wife of the lead singer, who is fretting because she has just been offered the role as the mother of one of the new ingenues. Beverly D'Angelo also shows up as a millionairess who agrees to bankroll the group, but only if she gets a roll in the hay with the lead singer. All of the career problems, including drug proclivity, are represented in this film. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:08:16 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Humbled Harper Hi all, I have been way busy to write lately, but I simply must today. Despite a time crunch, I decided to stay up late last night to catch the last airing of the Joni Tribute on TNT. It was so worth sacrificing half a night's sleep. I've read the comments about other performers not doing as well as Joni, safe arrangements and such. I humbly vote that it was simply one of the best commercially produced musical programs ever aired on television. The only wry element was the choice of sponsors: cheese and an anti-anxiety drug. Aren't we fortunate to have two hours of well-produced, well-written, well-orchestrated music from America's best composer, delivered free? No wonder Joni albums are starting to sell again -- for once in our lifetimes her genius is finally being broadcast with honor. She has finally transcended the "what's hot what's not" mindset. For years, I've attended Joni's concerts, bought every record, read every article, and tried to catch every television appearance. The TNT presentation was pure gold, and I am writing to thank them for producing it. Even our first lady joined the tribute, and frankly, Joni deserves no less. Musically, I've done many strange things with Joni's compositions -- on the harp, I have no choice but to adapt. So the heights of the program for me were the wonderfully unique adaptations, like Sweet Honey in the Rock's way-too-cool-for-words "Circle Game," or Cyndi Lauper's personally touching "Carey." I sat at home, alone, in the wee hours, watching the television. And, after every song, I found myself applauding. Is that strange? It felt right, though, including the standing ovation for Joni at the end. I couldn't help it -- she deserves a standing ovation, even if it's only from my living room. As I was driving to work, somewhat bleary this morning, I thought it's great that finally Joni is being discovered as a voice for the world. Some of us have known her music and loved her along. I remember being chided by my fellow musicians 20-some years ago for preferring Joni over the more "acceptable" country rock and heavy metal rock of the day. Man am I ever glad that I invested my time listening to her music -- it has been the most important collection of writing since Shakespeare and the Psalms of David. And I'm glad I've studied it. Well, nothing like a healthy gush. I miss communicating with you all -- but between my day job and my increasingly busy music schedule (yeah!), I am months behind on correspondence as it is. Sorry I'm so remiss. Hope to see many of you all at the MSG concert May 22. And, if there's a chance that I might join the lucky ones who have actually met Joni at a social or reception, please please please invite me! Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:19:59 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Humbled Harper Louis Lynch wrote: > > Man am I ever glad that I invested my time listening to her music -- it has > been the most important collection of writing since Shakespeare and the > Psalms of David. And I'm glad I've studied it. While I was in college studying for my English degree I told one of my professors I thought Joni's lyrics would long be remembered as the great poetry of its era. He laughed and said I just hadn't read enough of the great writers. Well, I have, and 30 years later I still think I'm right. Jerry np: Met 100 years gala ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:23:19 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Today Show broadcast on Net Sorry if this has been posted before (I delete a lot). I just looked at the JM.com and it looks like good news for all you folks who were unable to see the Today show piece on Joni. You can see the whole thing as well as the text on the MSNBC site. I don't know for how long so catch it while you can at... http://www.msnbc.com/news/394727.asp Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:37:14 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Joni's catalog sales numbers Here's the numbers that Brenda so kindly sent me yesterday. I've tried to clean up the format the best I can....hope it comes out fairly easy to read. And also these numbers only represent sales since soundscan started keeping track in 1991 (or was it 93?, read both years)....for instance, C&S's RTD (release to date) sales would be much, much higher than what is shown here since it was released pre-soundscan records. Anyway it gives us a good idea of Joni's sales numbers. Also these don't reflect a post tribute sales jump....those should show up in next weeks numbers. And I've taken the liberty of taking out the special Gold re-releases, cuz those numbers were fairly low and could also cause confusion in just what we're all reading here.........Penny             Week Ending 04/16/00                                                                                                                       04/19/00 13:00:07 MITCHELL*JONI Title   This Wk     YTD       99       98       RTD BYT         13       147     504       496       5111 BLUE   1524     17236   48097   48570 362223 BSN       21150     74243       0         0     74243 CMIARS  39       477     1502     2091     30375 CLOUDS 386     3394     9483     9464    84718 C&S 1100     10256   30540     35240     313704 DJRD     85       752     2253     2912     19460 DED   46       735     2435     3220     33213 FTR   256     2843     7998     8516     68127 FTR/C&S     30       226     928     1172     28668 HEJIRA   418     3803   11249     13115   97544 HOSL 264     2683     7013     8091     60641 HITS 1708     12419   42001     45145   226080 STAS 159     1789     4998     4868     40419 LOTC   879     8217   22146     22945    206595 MOA   408     3080     9605     10808     133921 MINGUS 112     1100     3222     3818     24321 MISSES     93       733     2443     4840   49168 NRH    46       527     1944     2830     227072 PWWAM     66       943     5135         0       6078 S&L       155     1362     3931     4902     32706 TTT     151     2158   20759     98362     121279 TI         303     2040     6665     8461     289868 WTRF       53       518     1384     1776     22836                    Total ALBUMS             29397   150969   242317   341473   2557256 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:39:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: [none] Hi gang, I was lucky enough to be an ‘early listener’ to Bob’s covers tree. It is *FREAKIN FANTASTIC* It belongs in every jmdlers collection. Being as anal as I am, I had a few of these covers in my own collection already, but nowhere near the extensive collection that Bob has collected and assembled here. So jump on this bandwagon before Bob gives it to K-Tel to sell for $19.98 ;-) Gotta run, Brian ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:04:49 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Feedback to TNT Hi all, I sent an e-mail to Turner Network Television thanking them for broadcasting the wonderful Joni Mitchell tribute. If anyone wants to do the same, here's the web page address: http://tnt.turner.com/asktnt/email_feedback.html I think we should flood them with kudos, on Joni's behalf. Sorry if I'm repeating if someone sent this previously. Regards, Louis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:42:05 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: who came to the UK JONIFEST/TROUBADOUR? Hi everyone.. Once again, my apologies in taking up bandwidth by repeating this message, but I want to make sure everybody involved sees this... This is a request for all the people who came to the Troubadour on the 4th January to get in touch with me. We had a couple of photos of the whole group taken, and I was thinking that it would be nice if one of these shots appeared on the artwork of the (soon to be released) CD. What would be even nicer would be to have a caption under the photo showing who's who, so that everyone who gets a copy of the CD will be able to put names to faces. So far I have had responses from Jason Maloney, Jamie Zubairi, Marian, Gerry McNee, Chris Marshall, Azeem and Jacky. Who else was there? Get in touch with me with your email addresses. I'll get the photo mailed back out to you, and you can me mail back again, describing your position in the picture. I think that'll work! atb, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:07:49 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni's management team Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:48:23 -0700 From: Sue Glumac Subject: Joni's management team Hi everyone. Following the TNT tribute I raced out and bought several Diana Krall and one of Cyndi Laupers albums. I couldn't help but notice that S.L. Feldman represents Diana. Isn't this the same mangement team that Joni has? They deserve a lot of credit for doing a terrific job of helping get Joni the recognition she deserves. I wonder if they represent some of the other artists at the tribute? Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Record Biz 101 Brenda wrote: I would imagine it might be difficult for Joni to take her current show on the road, given the orchestra and all. The main inhibitor for promoting outside of your home territory is cost. It is hugely expensive to engage an orchestra in every city you go to and cover all the rehearsal expense. Philip replied: The only additional cost I can think of is the flight across the Atlantic, assume double the cost of US internal.   After that the cost of hotels, food, travel, musician hire etc would be the same. Joni has already said she's planning on going back to London in August to do the work for the next album backed ala BSN style. I so hope she'll want to do at least one performance for the UK folk then, especially with all the glowing press BSN received there. I mean geez, she'll already have the orchestra she's been using in town plus they already know all the material. (but then, I'd have her performing in S'toon and Portland too! ;-) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:53:07 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Tribute thoughts... Joniphiles - Finally got a chance to see the Tribute last night (I'd missed it first time around) and was quite pleasantly surprised. I usually don't like these types of shows but this one seemed different. Most of all, I came away from watching this with a new sense of awareness of Joni's brilliance. I've been so used to listening to Joni's versions of her songs that I've almost taken them for granted. Hearing other people interpret them gave them a new life and had me listening to them "again for the first time". I just kept saying to myself... "wow! this is a really great song!" Diana Krall and Cyndi Lauper were the highlights for me. Like others have said, I think they now own their respective covers. Who put the photo montages together, though? Although there were a number a pictures I hadn't seen - there seemed to be a lot of them out of context with the period they were covering. Yeah... and who was sitting on Joni's left? Donald Freed was on her right, no? Les NP: JJ Cale "Naturally" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni's Management Team Sue wrote: < I wonder if they represent some of the other artists at the tribute?>> Bryan Adams was the only other tribute performer, besides Krall, that they list on their homepage. Wish they could have gotten a few others from their roster to be there....Sarah Mac, Holly Cole and The Chieftains! Which brings me to a question Kakki should be able to answer, having seen Sam Feldman, Steve Macklam and Darrel Gilmour at the PWWAM tapings. OK, Donald was sitting on Joni's right.....was that Darrel Gilmour (Joni and Diana Krall's manager) sitting to Joni's left, and for a time between Joni and Krall? Please forgive if this has already been answered, there's been to many posts for me to keep up with! Penny PS Maybe the older woman behind Joni was Reprise Betty being rewarded for having to take so much crap from people about the BSNLE fiasco! ;-D :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:17:23 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Tribute Concert Band Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I agree with whomever said that the cut-aways to Joni were weird and > sociological. It seemed like they (TNT Network) didn't edit when they had > the chance. Especially when Cindy Lauper was extending her going around for > 'another' chorus. Joni goes, "Come ON!". At least that's what I see. > Others? Agree? Disagree? Definitely DISagree. I think at one point she said "oh man" toward Donald, as in Wow! I was saying the same thing myself, as in oh man, this is something! And at the end Joni seemed very pleased with Cyndi's performance. Most people were; Cyndi got an instant standing ovation when she finished. Only Joni herself got that, several times. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:22:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Humbled Harper - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > Louis Lynch wrote: > > > > > Man am I ever glad that I invested my time > listening to her music -- it has > > been the most important collection of writing > since Shakespeare and the > > Psalms of David. And I'm glad I've studied it. > > While I was in college studying for my English > degree I told one of my > professors I thought Joni's lyrics would long be > remembered as the great poetry > of its era. He laughed and said I just hadn't read > enough of the great writers. > Well, I have, and 30 years later I still think I'm > right. I remember when I first became a Joni fan (like you, Jerry, about 30 years ago!), my older brother, who liked to bug me just for the hell of it, would make snarky comments about how anyone with a purple crayon could write like that. I think I'm going to mail him a box of all purple crayons! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:18:15 -0700 From: "Kate Bennnett" Subject: trying to be a musician Good for you it is NEVER EVER too late!!!! I'm a published poet and just bought my first guitar (25, not too late to start is it!!). I'm learning to play! I'm very nervous about this kind of thing, but it's nice to be on a list with musicians and artists such as the one's on this list who adore someone like Joni! dax Kate Bennett Singer Songwriter kate@katebennett.com www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:28:29 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: 99x Hi all, I stay in constant contact with the local radio station (99x)'s morning hosts. They are very funny. Anyway, I wrote Leslie Fram today asking why they don't plug Joni ever. I said that if the station, which is modern rock, would have existed in the '70s and late '60's that Joni would have gotten a lot of air play from them. It was cool because she wrote back telling me how much she loves Joni and that BLUE is her favorite album of all time. The problem is that they are only supposed to mention events, new albums and stuff for the musicians that they play on the air. I appreciate that she loves Joni, however, I've heard them mention Bob Dylan, CSN&Y, Bruce Springstein and others and they play none of these people on the air. But, anyway, I'm glad Leslie loves Joni dax ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:28:17 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Management Team Penny asked: > Which brings me to a question Kakki should be able to >answer, having seen Sam Feldman, Steve Macklam and >Darrel Gilmour at the PWWAM tapings. OK, Donald was >sitting on Joni's right.....was that Darrel Gilmour (Joni > and Diana Krall's manager) sitting to Joni's left, and for a >time between Joni and Krall? The only one of her managers that I would recognize for sure would be Feldman and it wasn't him. I think Phyliss could confirm whether it was Gilmore. For some reason I have a hunch it was Macklam. > PS Maybe the older woman behind Joni was Reprise Betty >being rewarded for having to take so much crap from people >about the BSNLE fiasco! ;-D LOL. Poor Betty! I thought the woman kind of looked liked she could have been Diana Krall's mother - there was a definite resemblance and it might be possible since Diana's going steady with the muscial director ;-) Kakki NP: Jimmy Webb - Angel Heart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:40:17 -0400 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Re: Joni's Management Team Since I am new to the people in Joni's life who was the guy that sitting as follows: Joni, her boyfriend?, and the guy I am inquiring about, he had dark hair, without sounding like a teenybopper he was gorgeous! :) Carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:41:07 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni's Management Team Penny wrote: > Which brings me to a question Kakki should be able to answer, having > seen Sam Feldman, Steve Macklam and Darrel Gilmour at the PWWAM tapings. > OK, Donald was sitting on Joni's right.....was that Darrel Gilmour (Joni > and Diana Krall's manager) sitting to Joni's left, and for a time > between Joni and Krall? I've seen both Darrell (@PWWAM) and Sam Feldman (@LACE) in person and I don't think the fellow to Joni's left was either. Darrell, who I know on a first name basis, had a shaved head last time I saw him, and was...well... "cuter" ; - ). I would guess, knowing his background, that he was backstage making sure things were all going smoothly, not sitting down and enjoying the show. I could be wrong though, my memory for faces is not all that good. Kakki? Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:35:35 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Fagen and Becker follow Joni Well, lookie here: From the ASCAP web site - *************** TOP ASCAP SONGWRITING HONOR TO STEELY DAN WALTER BECKER AND DONALD FAGEN TO RECEIVE ASCAP FOUNDERS AWARD AT MAY 22 POP AWARDS GALA IN L.A. The veteran songwriting, performing and producing duo of Walter Becker and Donald Fagen, better known for the past three decades as the multi-platinum Steely Dan, will be presented with the ASCAP Founders Award at the annual gala ASCAP Pop Awards Dinner at the Beverly Hilton Hotel on May 22, 2000, it was announced today by ASCAP President and Chairman Marilyn Bergman. In receiving ASCAP's top award for lifetime achievement in songwriting, Becker and Fagen will join an elite group of prior recipients which includes: Stephen Sondheim, Joni Mitchell, Billy Joel, Hal David and Burt Bacharach, Smokey Robinson, Stevie Wonder, Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller, and Jule Styne. The annual ASCAP Pop Awards honor the writers and publishers of the most performed ASCAP songs each year. The event attracts a celebrity-studded audience of leading songwriters, recording artists and other music industry leaders each year. The Becker and Fagen team had its beginnings in the 1960s when the two met at Bard College in upstate New York. Following an attempt to make it as Brill Building songwriters, Becker and Fagen became staff songwriters at ABC Records in Los Angeles in late 1971. Their cerebral songs didn't fit the artists on the ABC roster, but their own first album as Steely Dan, Can't Buy a Thrill, containing the hit singles, "Reelin' in the Years" and "Do It Again" made the rock and pop worlds take notice and initiated a string of best-selling albums and singles. Their song hits also include: "Peg," "FM," "Hey, 19," and "Rikki Don't Lose That Number." Steely Dan's new studio album, Two Against Nature, recently debuted at No. 6 on the Billboard chart, putting Becker and Fagen on the top of the charts again. Commenting on the award to Becker and Fagen, Marilyn Bergman said, "Donald Fagen and Walter Becker have created a memorable body of work that has stretched the boundaries of rock & roll. Their songs are unique, clever, contagious, sophisticated, humorous and represent the best in American popular music." ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #152 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?