From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #144 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Monday, April 17 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 144 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Chiming in on the Tribute... ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: tribute reaction ["Alison Einerson" ] The Thunderstorm, SBC Cable, no-TNT-no-Tribute Blues [Don Rowe ] Re: Chiming in on the Tribute... [Jerry Notaro ] Re: no regrets Coyote and more tribute [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: tribute reaction (md) ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute [catman ] Re: Joni's sales jump! [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: tribute reaction (md) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: tribute reaction (md) [catman ] JM and David Geffen [Relayer211@aol.com] What is everyone's favorite JM album? [Relayer211@aol.com] Joni's reaction [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute [Mike Friedman ] Re: Travelling fan ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: opinions about the tribute ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Tribute rebroadcast dates/times [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: howard_scptv@interaccess.com "Hated it!" [PPeterson4@aol.com] Re: Mark In Seattle ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Tribute review from the "older generation" ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #194 [Drewdix@aol.com] Hi I'm New ["C.A. Starkey" ] Joni mention (both praise and dis!) in Slate magazine [Gellerray@aol.com] plea for urgent help JC JC JC JC JC ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:07:00 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Chiming in on the Tribute... Just wanted to share my thoughts on the tribute... It was truly phenomenal. I expected to be moved, and was so excited to watch it. I was COMPLETELY bowled over by Cyndi Lauper. I think it was hands-down the best number of the show... It's really interesting to read everyone's opinions on these performances! We are all so varied in our reactions to certain interpretations. It has so much to do (IMHO) with our personal experiences with each song. I was bawling like a baby during Carey and also during Chapin/Colvin's version of Amelia. Maybe because I have seen them perform together before at Telluride Bluegrass Fest. But anyway, I thought both of those were SO lovingly done. I am a huge Richard Thompson fan, and I didn't particularly enjoy his Black Crow, or Woodstock for that matter. Can't really explain why, except to say that he didn't seem able to maintain the vulnerability or delicacy of either song...kind of stepped on them i guess. Does anyone get the feeling that Dianna Krall performed only because of her connections with Klein? I wasn't aware that she was a big Joni fan. I think her performance of ACOY was a little forced... How cool would it be to have Susan Sarandon call you "Gal"???? The whole thing was incredible. Anyone have any plans to make an audio for treeing? It seems someone mentioned it before. I would love to have it on tape or CD. Now just restlessly anxiously excited for May 22, and knowing i will need a full box of tissues for joni live... alison e. in slc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:24:45 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: tribute reaction Jimmy wrote: >I'm sure if I were to watch the tape over and over I might find some >flaws.... ie someone sang a wrong note or kd lang had some toe jam, hilarious!!! i love kd lang, loved her performance, and think it's really silly that people would sit around and criticize that fact that she was/is comfortable enough in herself to wear what she wants to wear, and fuck-it-go-barefoot-too. we nutso americans seem to vacillate between obsessing about famous hollywood fashion and what the stars are wearing, how it's excessive and wasteful and arrogant... but when someone (kd) rejects that notion we call her a slob. who really cares what she was wearing? she sang beautifully as usual! and she looked HOT (IMO)! > >I'd have to agree with Pat. I enjoyed every bit of the tribute. I even liked >Hilary's speech......(regardless of what some people may think of her) I >thought it was touching that she shared the story of Bill and her walking >through the Chelsea district singing Joni's song. i also agree with jimmy and pat... i like hillary. i just wish she wouldn't have sounded so rehearsed, or "canned" as catgirl, i think, put it. i remember reading this story way back when clinton first ran for president. i liked him much more after i heard it. alison e. in slc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:24:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: The Thunderstorm, SBC Cable, no-TNT-no-Tribute Blues DA-NA-NA-NA-NA Turned on the tube DA-NA-NA-NA-NA Saw only snow DA-NA-NA-NA-NA Said it's okay man DA-NA-NA-NA-NA Five hours to go But SBC up and quit on me Said lighning zapped their feed Got the Tunderstorm SBC No TNT no Tribute blues Yep, it's true. Thunderstorms in St. Louis wiped out the cable company -- so no Tribute concert for me last night. But not to fear! A pal at work has a Sony DSS and taped it for me in STEREO -- even cut out all the commercials. So I'll see it in it's glory 2-NITE! Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:34:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Chiming in on the Tribute... <> Jim Lamadoo's already announced that he is willing to make tape copies, and I'm sure a CD will be available as well soon! ;~) Just a hunch.... Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Warm Beer & Cold Women" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:48:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Chiming in on the Tribute... I've got a great Hi-Fi VHS copy, and will rip the audio onto CDR. Since I have access to some pretty zippy digital mastering software, I'll be able to cross-fade just the applause in and out between tracks, so it will sound like an uninterupted concert. I'll let everyone know when it's available for branching. Cool artwork already in progress ... Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:57:16 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Chiming in on the Tribute... My vote for best performance in a Joni song goes to Diana Krall. No one could possibly have performed A Case of You that way without being a Joni fan. Cyndi Lauper, a close second. Very honorable mention to Sweet Honey and the Rock. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:21:39 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Who came to the uk jonifest/troubadour? Hi peeps. This is a request for all the people who came to the Troubadour on the 4th January to get in touch with me. We had a couple of photos of the whole group taken, and I was thinking that it would be nice if one of these shots appeared on the artwork of the (soon to be released) CD. What would be even nicer would be to have a caption under the photo showing who's who, so that everyone who gets a copy of the CD will be able to put names to faces. So get in touch with me with your email addresses. I'll get the photo mailed back out to y'all, and you can me mail back again, describing your position in the picture. I think that'll work! atb, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:44:09 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni's sales jump! Haha! My client wasn't ready today, so my job got postponed 'til tomorrow.......my priorities must be out of whack cuz I'd much rather follow the excitement here than make money! ;-) Anyway, I just checked Amazon's charts, that are updated hourly, and Joni is all over the place! Again the top three "movers and shakers" are all Joni, taking turns in order. But the really cool thing is Joni not only still has the number one spot in the top 100, but now 9 CD's in the top 100......6 of them in the top 50. Pen, brush, canvas and paint money, Joan. While you're at it, maybe you could buy a few more guitar strings and get your piano tuned too! ;-D And while I'm writing anyway, my suggestion for JMDLer poster boards at the various concerts....one side: "We need you" and the other side: "More Story" With JMDL written smaller at the bottom. Who knows, maybe after seeing these (or similarly uniform signs) a few times, the card carrying JMDLers will be invited backstage? Think positive! ;-) Miles of smiles, Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:21:09 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Joni's sales jump! BSN is #5 at Barnes and Noble and #9 in Tower Records' Top 1000. Their top 1000 is based on chain wide sales, (not only internet sales) and is updated daily. So this chart doesn't even reflect today's sales with the expected tail-wind from the airing of the Tribute show. 11 (!) of her albums are in their top 1000: BSN-9 BLUE-193 HITS-257 C&S-263 LOTC-354 CLOUDS-516 MOA-534 HEJIRA-547 HOSL-697 FTR-803 STAS-1000 It's kind of interesting that her first 9 records are on this list with nothing, excepting Hits and BSN, from the last 25 years. Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net - ----- Original Message ----- From: Penny > Anyway, I just checked Amazon's charts, that are updated hourly, and > Joni is all over the place! Again the top three "movers and shakers" > are all Joni, taking turns in order. But the really cool thing is Joni > not only still has the number one spot in the top 100, but now 9 CD's in > the top 100......6 of them in the top 50. > Penny ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:09:20 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: no regrets Coyote and more tribute Coyote, your post was really touching. That's the thing about music. It really is a langugae that helps us communicate. We all just happen to prefer one musician in particular. Does that make us weird? Not at all. A while back I sent an email to Wally K (Hi Wally!) in which I said that we are as much a part of Joni's music as she is. Otherwise she'd be the proverbial tree falling in the forest. I saw the tribute in bits and pieces, which was ok. I only lasted through the first few songs before heading to bed last night, but I watched the rest today. One thing I found a bit odd was the background music for the interludes describing her career - the music was generally 'off' by an album or two (like one ahead or behind.) Just an observation. I loved that Cassandra Wilson did DCFD! And I thought Laurence Fishburne's tribute was great. I'll have to listen again, but I found Dianna Krall's (sp?) rendition of ACOY disappointing, probably because Joni's own version on BSN is so compelling. All in all, a fantastic event. And I have to admit to lying in bed, singing along at the end of YTMOIAR - and singing the 'long' version in a voice that's a bit weak, but was (if I do say so myself) right on through the whole thing. I'm looking forward to being able to pick up my guitar again. And having a bit more voice for singing... After all, that's Joni's gift to me - that and wanting to write my own songs. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:28:52 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) In a message dated 4/17/2000 10:22:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, alisone@kirkhams.com writes: << and think it's really silly that people would sit around and criticize that fact that she was/is comfortable enough in herself to wear what she wants to wear, and fuck-it-go-barefoot-too. we nutso americans seem to vacillate between obsessing about famous hollywood fashion and what the stars are wearing, how it's excessive and wasteful and arrogant... but when someone (kd) rejects that notion we call her a slob. who really cares what she was wearing? >> I think it is called R_E_S_P_E_C_T. You know it seems like a little thing or something one can be called "picky" about if they mention it but KD Lang IMHO totally blew it. Shes entitled to wear whatever she wants at HER tribute, but out of respect for Joni she should have dressed up. Those who give no respect to others have no right to demand same. I think this is symptomatic of todays "values". Example. What if right in the middle of the slobs song someone decided to just walk up on stage and read their latest poetry. No respect right ? Well by the slobs values that should be perfectly all right because no one has to give respect to anyone else. We just do what WE think is cool and everyone else has to live happily with it. Lets not quibble over degrees because then we are talking about the same thing. Let the flames begin. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:52:47 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) marcel wrote: >I think this is symptomatic of todays >"values". Example. What if right in the middle of the slobs song someone >decided to just walk up on stage and read their latest poetry. No respect >right ? Well by the slobs values that should be perfectly all right because >no one has to give respect to anyone else. i see what you are getting at, and i get your point. but, the fact that kd showed up, sang and did such a wonderful job is what displays her respect. not, in my opinion, what she was wearing. and she wasn't behaving rudely, she didn't walk up on stage and interrupt someone, she just dressed in what made her comfortable. not unlike joni herself. >We just do what WE think is cool >and everyone else has to live happily with it i think kd's rejection of the norms of what women are supposed to look like at a gala event like this is cool. is anyone going to criticize Brian Adams for wearing a t-shirt and jeans??? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:43:31 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: no regrets Coyote and more tribute Yes, off by an album or two AND, when they were talking about her abilities as a composer, the music was a song of which the music is credited to John Guerin ("The Hissing of Summer Lawns"). LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:44:36 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) > I think it is called R_E_S_P_E_C_T. You know it seems like a little thing or > something one can be called "picky" about if they mention it but KD Lang IMHO > totally blew it. >Let the flames begin. No flame-throwing from me. I was at the Tribute concert, and "show some respect" was exactly what I thought of KD's outfit, however her *visual* presentation was mitigated by her *vocal* performance. Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:50:00 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Tribute Impressions Yeah, the band was terrific. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:16:43 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) In a message dated 04/17/2000 5:28:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1 writes: << I think it is called R_E_S_P_E_C_T. You know it seems like a little thing or something one can be called "picky" about if they mention it but KD Lang IMHO totally blew it. S >> You won't get flames from me either Marcel. Sure *I* think it would have been nice of kd to dress up a little nicer (or Bryan Adams for that matter), but the point of my original post was THE TRIBUTE SHOW WAS WONDERFUL !!! I was in such awe of everyone and their performances, I didn't see how any of the listers had time to look for any flaws in the show. I'm sure if I see the video a few times, I might find that Wynonna strummed too much or Shawn & Mary were off key in a few places or Ashley Judd had a hanging garden. Maybe it's just that I was so overwhelmed by the entire evening. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:36:24 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Tribute rebroadcast dates/times For those who either missed watching or forgot to tape, the rebroadcast dates and times are: 04/19/00 - 08:00 pm ET - TNT, 04/19/00 - 10:00 pm ET -TNT and 04/20/00 - 12:30 am ET - TNT Now that we have shared our reviews of the show, lets talk about who was there! The couple in the box with their child behind Joni... who were they? Donald we know, but where was Kilauren? Someone said they thought they saw her... Celebs in the audience...the gal from Law and Order, (?) Tutturro (sp?) from the Sopranos, Rosie's brother looked way more enthralled than did Rosie, Sandra Bernhard, Goldie, Susan, Laurence, Stamos, and you know there may be more.... Listers who were present, can you tell us again where you were sitting and if you glimpsed yourselves at all? Nice credit at the end to Jim Johansen. Did anyone else notice? One more note about the JMDL sign...I am ready to ship it out west if there are any takers... Later, Sue Cameron, no relation to Titanic Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:44:22 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute I am not sure what you mean by this at all. However, an NTSC recorded video will NOT play back on a PAL system and visa versa. Fortunately I have a vcr that will playback either NTSC or PAL. You probably don't mean what I think anyway but really I don't know what you mean! Mike Friedman wrote: > > Just to be clear, VHS is a video standard, whereas NTSC and PAL (and SECAM > in France) are television braodcast standards. VHS can record from any of > the standards, it's interchangeable. > > ================================================================ > "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" > "I think so, Brain, but how are we gonna find chaps our size?" > > Mike Friedman > San Francisco, CA, USA > http://63.192.218.181 > > > From: Richard Goldman > > Reply-To: Richard Goldman > > Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:58:29 -0700 > > To: joni@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute > > > > > >> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:06:07 -0500 > >> From: pat holden > >> Subject: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute > >> > >> on my knees begging..would some kind soul do me the > >> sweeeet favour of making a copy of the tribute show > >> too. We won't be able to see it here either :((( waa > >> waaa waaaaa. > >> ahhhh but the art show might head this way!!! I can > >> only hope > >> > >> gratitude from the bottom of my heart > >> > >> mags* > > > > Of course! I'll make and send you a copy, mags: as long as you Canada is > > VHS and not PAL, right? Then no problema, amiga. Just send me your snail > > mail address and I'll get ya' one next week. > > > > RichardSF > > richard2sf@earthlink.net > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:44:31 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) << You know it seems like a little thing or something one can be called "picky" about if they mention it but KD Lang IMHO totally blew it. Shes entitled to wear whatever she wants at HER tribute, but out of respect for Joni she should have dressed up. >> While I see your point, marcel, I have to respectfully disagree...tell you the truth, I didn't even notice who wore what. Obviously KD meant no disrepect - by whose standards is she to be judged - yours? I doubt if she even knows you, man! :~) We get into the same argument about "dressing up" for church - do you think God cares how we appear on the OUTSIDE when we worship? No, it's what in your heart that counts - and kd's heart was in the right place, even if her shoes stayed on the rack! :~) Anyway, I don't mean to be coming off as flaming - you're as entitled to your own definition as to what constitutes respectful behavior as I. I just didn't pick up any such "disrespectful" vibe...matter of fact, had everyone "dressed up" appropriately or whatever, it would have come off as being more "show biz" and phony, instead, it had a strong sense of 'genuineness' that made it work. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:56:39 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: TRIBUTE COMMENTS Guess I'll chime in too..... Very emotional show, it was great to see such luminaries as Shawn Colvin, (who used to cover Joni tunes on Wednesday nights at the Cottonwood Cafe in the Village in the early 80's), JT, KD, Elton, Cassandra, et al...clearly honored to be there. Most performances brought something new to the tunes, except for Richard Thomson's lack of melodic understanding of Black Crow, (couldn't he hear the monitors? and was that vibrato substituting for pitch?), and Wynonna, (give me a break, she's cool for country, but was out of her league, nice guitar holding though). Larry Fishburne's into to the Mingus period was especially on target, I too thought her more progressive work, and any hint of the Jazz thang would be overlooked. Cyndi Lauper and KD Lang were great, but my choice for best of show is split btwn Cassandra's -cool as shit- "Dry Cleaner"-,{ loved Bob Sheppard, more like Brecker then Shorter for sure}, and Diana Krall's soulful "Case of You". There was not even a cursory mention of "Shadows and Light" though, my personal fave, which was disappointing, but the pictures of Jaco was a nice touch. Not too many regular TNT viewers have heard of him I'll bet. Joni is a goddess, she seemed clearly embarrassed by all the attention at times, but she must've felt really good to be feted by her peers, (if there is such a thing)!! Can't wait for Merriweather in May, with Peter Erskine in tow!!! Dave Fairall Baltimore Md ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:48:46 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni's sales jump! Please forgive my enthusiasm, but this is just too much fun to watch!! Now Joni has the top FOUR spots on the "movers and shakers"....LOTC, Blue, C&S and Hits. And the latest run down in the top 100 is: 1....BSN 10...Hits 12...Blue 14....C&S 18....Hejira 37....FTR 40....LOTC 62....HOSL 66....Clouds 74....MOA 84....Mingus (Hey this is a whole lot more fun to watch than my internet stocks....yuk!, lately, to say the least!) Geez, this has got to be one of Joni's most profitable days ever! (Amazon is the net's leader in sales volume, according to Billboard) Each of these CD's have either held there ground or climbed with each look, all day long. But just to add a little reality.....you guys that are in the know of how this works, what does Joni have to pay back to Reprise for all the press or is the bulk of it being picked up by TNT for their ad campaign to promote their tribute special on Joni? Penny PS Check out Amazon's reviews for Joni's albums......really fabulous accounts. ;-) Patricia O'Conner wrote: BSN is #5 at Barnes and Noble and #9 in Tower Records' Top 1000. Their top 1000 is based on chain wide sales, (not only internet sales) and is updated daily. So this chart doesn't even reflect today's sales with the expected tail-wind from the airing of the Tribute show. 11 (!) of her albums are in their top 1000: BSN-9 BLUE-193 HITS-257 C&S-263 LOTC-354 CLOUDS-516 MOA-534 HEJIRA-547 HOSL-697 FTR-803 STAS-1000 It's kind of interesting that her first 9 records are on this list with nothing, excepting Hits and BSN, from the last 25 years. Patricia O'Connor :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:06:37 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) In a message dated 4/17/00 6:19:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << I didn't see how any of the listers had time to look for any flaws in the show. >> my reaction too. it was a warm event with a lot of genuineness. how can that be criticized in our day and age? pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:10:46 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/17/2000 10:22:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > alisone@kirkhams.com writes: > > << and think it's really silly that people would sit around and criticize > that fact that she was/is comfortable enough in herself to wear what she > wants to wear, and > fuck-it-go-barefoot-too. we nutso americans seem to vacillate between > obsessing about famous hollywood fashion and what the stars are wearing, how > it's excessive and wasteful and arrogant... but when someone (kd) rejects > that notion we call her a slob. who really cares what she was wearing? >> > > I think it is called R_E_S_P_E_C_T. You know it seems like a little thing or > something one can be called "picky" about if they mention it but KD Lang IMHO > totally blew it. Shes entitled to wear whatever she wants at HER tribute, but > out of respect for Joni she should have dressed up. Those who give no respect > to others have no right to demand same. I think this is symptomatic of todays > "values". I agree with the first quotes, not the second. People interpret things differently for all sorts of reasons. Personally, I see nothin disrespectful about anyone choosing to dress the way they choose. I think it is disrespectful to expect them to dress the way I want them to! And when I hear or read 'i think this is sympotmatic of of todays values....' I hear 'people should live according to the values I think are correct'. Like when I hear the Archbishop Of Canterbury or some other 'public figure' pontificating about morals and values. What they are all saying is that they want people to follow the moral code that the pontificator follows. Well morals are not absolute. We are all individuals who must make up our own minds and value system. Whilst I would agree with some of the 'moral values' such people hold like it is wrong to kill, I stronlgy disagree with others. (actually the killing thing is weird-the COE says it is wrong to kill unless your country tells you to). Or people who are anti abortion are ofetn pro capital punishment. A stance that is ludicrous if not obscene. Personal repsonsibilty is what it all boils down to. One has yto live according to ones own thoughts and values NOT someone elses. the world would be lot happier place with so much less pain if people would desist from trying to force their interpreations of what is true and not true and what is moral and not moral upon others. I doubt kd thought 'I look like a slob' and 'this will disrespect Joni'. I think those thoughts came from whoever decided she looked like a slob! bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:16:09 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: JM and David Geffen I was browsing through the New Biography of David Geffen and it talks about how Joni and David Geffen are currently on bad terms with each other.Joni refused,after considering it,to talk with the author about David,and David Geffen had alot of derogatory things to say about Joni.Though what her sais about Joni is not mentioned.Does anyone know the cause,reasons for their fued? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:17:41 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: What is everyone's favorite JM album? I think mine is "For the Roses".Followed by "Blue" and "Hissing of Summer Lawns." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:23:28 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Joni's reaction It did seem that Joni seemed to enjoy all the performances,didn't it?her reaction shots during the songs all showed her smiling or crying,singing or dancing along with the song... Also,did anyone else enjoy Cyndi Lauper sining "Carey"?I think she did a really good job,and Joni was dancing along,I just think the musical arrangements could have been a little better. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:28:45 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute What I mean is that VHS is a standard for videotaping. NTSC, PAL and SECAM are standards for broadcasting TV. The TV can decode whichever of these three it is programmed to, the VCR doesn't matter as it can be programmed to decode any of them from the VHS tape (or DVD or whatever source). ================================================================ "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Brain, but how are we gonna find chaps our size?" Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA, USA http://63.192.218.181 > From: catman > Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:44:22 +0100 > To: Mike Friedman > Cc: Richard Goldman , joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute > > I am not sure what you mean by this at all. However, an NTSC recorded > video will NOT play back on a PAL system and visa versa. Fortunately I > have a vcr that will playback either NTSC or PAL. You probably don't > mean what I think anyway but really I don't know what you mean! > > Mike Friedman wrote: >> >> Just to be clear, VHS is a video standard, whereas NTSC and PAL (and SECAM >> in France) are television braodcast standards. VHS can record from any of >> the standards, it's interchangeable. >> >> ================================================================ >> "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" >> "I think so, Brain, but how are we gonna find chaps our size?" >> >> Mike Friedman >> San Francisco, CA, USA >> http://63.192.218.181 >> >>> From: Richard Goldman >>> Reply-To: Richard Goldman >>> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:58:29 -0700 >>> To: joni@smoe.org >>> Subject: Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute >>> >>> >>>> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:06:07 -0500 >>>> From: pat holden >>>> Subject: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute >>>> >>>> on my knees begging..would some kind soul do me the >>>> sweeeet favour of making a copy of the tribute show >>>> too. We won't be able to see it here either :((( waa >>>> waaa waaaaa. >>>> ahhhh but the art show might head this way!!! I can >>>> only hope >>>> >>>> gratitude from the bottom of my heart >>>> >>>> mags* >>> >>> Of course! I'll make and send you a copy, mags: as long as you Canada is >>> VHS and not PAL, right? Then no problema, amiga. Just send me your snail >>> mail address and I'll get ya' one next week. >>> >>> RichardSF >>> richard2sf@earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:39:36 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: What is everyone's favorite JM album? It's hard to say your favorite album and forgetting the other ones, but I'm still sticking with Hejira. FTR is gaining on it fast... NP-Furry Sings The Blues At 7:17 PM -0400 4/17/00, Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I think mine is "For the Roses".Followed by "Blue" and "Hissing of Summer >Lawns." - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:58:31 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) ><< I didn't see how any of > the listers had time to look for any flaws in the show. >> >my reaction too. it was a warm event with a lot of genuineness. how can >that be criticized in our day and age? pat i was, as i said, completely entertained, enthralled, consumed and pleased by the show. not looking for any flaws, didn't really see any by accident. >it had a strong sense of 'genuineness' that made it >work. bob kd's barefoot behaviour added to that, for me anyway. one other note, my favorite point in the show: "Joan, the bone, on the throne, where she belone (?)" James Taylor. too sweet. what a class act. alison e. in slc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:04:58 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Travelling fan i will also be in nyc for the show, and tanya and i have talked about putting a meeting plan together. what we really need is an east coast Kakki to rally the troops! i am sure that we can come up with something. looking forward to putting some emoticons to real faces... alison e. - ---------- >From: "Paul Headon" >Hi > >I am travelling from Wales (United Kingdom) to see the Joni concert in New >York on 22 May. Joni might not Travel to Europe and I am taking NO >chances:-). > > I would Reeeeally like to meet other JMDLers while I am in New York >especially before and/or after the concert. Hope to see you all there! > >Cheers > >Paul Headon > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:59:01 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: opinions about the tribute Afraid to say that NONE of the songs on Hejira are in open tuning... Having played most of them, I can safely say that. Ask Marian or Michael. I think what she meant by 'on the road' was 'on the road' in a performing sense not 'on the road' in the Kerouac sense - which is how Hejira was inspired, not written. Only perhaps Blue Motel Room, but even then it's only the lead that's standard, and that's played by Larry Carlton. The electric rhythm is played by Joni and that's in something completely different, Mark Domyancich will tell you. Strange Boy, open D, Hejira in the same tuning as NRH (but different key), Amelia, open C, Coyote in Just Like This Train tuning. These are only the ones I can think of. Sorry to make a point, but Joni has only ever written two/three songs in standard (Urge For Going, Harlem In Havana and maybe Tin Angel, but I couldn't be sure.) Jamie Zoob being an anal Joni freak again Also the Spaniards created the modern guitar tuning as we know it today, after it was introduced to them by the Arabians who got it from the Grecians, hence Furry Lewis saying "I kin play in Spanish tonin'! " when JM met him at his place after she said to him, 'I play in open tunings too!' thinking they will have something to talk about... > Hejira was the only album done in standard tunning. I heard > Joni talk about that in an interview saying that it was a pain to keep > tunning the guitar when she was on the road writing that album so she kept it > in standard. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:19:49 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Tribute rebroadcast dates/times In a message dated 04/17/2000 6:40:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scam1@freeway.net writes: << For those who either missed watching or forgot to tape, the rebroadcast dates and times are: 04/19/00 - 08:00 pm ET - TNT, 04/19/00 - 10:00 pm ET -TNT and 04/20/00 - 12:30 am ET - TNT >> I hope you're right Sue, but according to my guide and the TNT website, the only rebroadcast is : Wednesday, April 19 at 12:30 AM (ET/PT) Maybe it's not the same in different areas. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:35:05 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Re: howard_scptv@interaccess.com "Hated it!" >>Hated: James T should have thrown that version in a River<< I had to laugh out loud at your comment. It was like there was nothing left of the original song, just James Taylorish chords and melodies. But wasn't the tribute in itself amazing? I cried during Case of You and again when JM sang that song. You're right - she brings a whole life along with it (and at fifty I'm experiencing those backward glances) and those mournful shimmering strings set it of in this new way that completely overshadows the tinkly arrangements of the past. Thanks for the laugh. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:02:56 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Mark In Seattle > I guess Mark's "out" of the geographical closet so to speak. Tell me Mark, > why did you decide to "out" yourself on a Sunday? Your secret's out. I didn't out myself. It was Travis, the dirty rat! Mark in The Twilight Zone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:04:16 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Tribute review from the "older generation" > > > > Anyway, on the first couple of pages are the "society" photos from Hollywood > > etc. with a photo of kd lang at the TNT Tribute with the following caption: > > > > "Call the fashion police! Normally super-cool singer kd lang turned up to a > > New York tribute concert for JONI MITCHELL wearing ROSEANNE BARR's clothes". > > Roseanne never looked THAT bad. > > Jerry > What I want to know is when has anybody ever seen k d dressed up? Mark in The Land of Make Believe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:07:35 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: opinions about the tribute Right, Larry Carlton is playing the acoustic (in standard) and Joni is playing the electric (in CGDFAD). Even though I tabbed it out with Howard, I still can't play it! So no one request it come Labor Day, OK? :D Strange Boy is actually DACGAD, Hejira is similar to NRH, only a half step lower and the 3rd string is up half a tone. Sorry to be so anal as well, Jamie, but this is the stuff I think about all the time! (When I'm supposed to be thinking about US History... barf) NPIMH-Grateful Dead, Help On The Way At 12:59 AM +0100 4/18/00, Jamie Zubairi wrote: >Only perhaps Blue Motel Room, but even then it's only the lead that's >standard, and that's played by Larry Carlton. The electric rhythm is played >by Joni and that's in something completely different, Mark Domyancich will >tell you. Strange Boy, open D, Hejira in the same tuning as NRH (but >different key), Amelia, open C, Coyote in Just Like This Train tuning. These >are only the ones I can think of. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:11:17 EDT From: Drewdix@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #194 Hello all, been away too long. Met some of you at the "Triple Crown" before the MSG show last year... Love everyon'es comments- But sorry, Cassandra missed the mark completely with her one-note Dry Cleaner. She didn't look comfortable at all. Diana Kroll, KD Lang and Cyndi Lauper. Wow. I'll be at the MSG theater 5/22- but could not get better than mediocre seats, even with dialing as soon as the box office opened. Any help with a trade-up? Love to be close- saw Woodstock back on the hill, and MSG too far away...Help! Great time to be a Joni jmdler (no lurker, I!) Misses this list. Missed Wally's passing. Please tell me when. We owe him much. Thanks Chilihead, for the idea...you'll be hearing from me. Any NYC pre-show gathering? sorry to be playing catch-up. - --Drew Dix ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:21:29 -0400 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Hi I'm New My name is Carol. I'm going to be 30 in May, and thanks to TNT I rediscovered Joni Mitchell, I dug out "Blue" that was on the bottom of my CD pile, and I cannot believe, I hadn't played this disc in years. (I've been listening to some JM music on my computer, but it's nice to put a tangible disc in the player.) I think "Carey" is my new fave Joni Mitchell song, but my absolute favourite is "The Circle Game". (I just gave a quick listen to "Carey", "The River", (which I had played from time to time whenever the mood struck me), and "A Case Of You" *********** I'm sure everyone has discussed the TNT special already, so I'll just say--I was flipping the channels and when I saw Wynonna and who was it Bryan Adams? Doing some rock-ish broadway sounding show tune number, I'm like that's not how Joni Mitchell is supposed to sound, and I came back in time to see Cyndi Lauper do a wonderful "Carey". I think "Woodstock" works better with a female voice, but I felt Richard Thompson did a better job on "Black Crow". What song did k.d. lang sing? I can't remember, I thought she did a good job, though. My wish was to hear "The Circle Game" in proper acoustic guitar, I kind of got my wish at the end with the singalong (It got cut off though as soon as the credits finished rolling.) ********* I like all different kinds of music, and I run two mailing lists that is almost the opposite in Joni Mitchell's music, but I love different styles and lifestories. ******* I am a huge Anglophile, so if any British blokes on the list want to say hi, feel free to email me. ************** I hope this isn't too long, and that I didn't bore anyone too much. I am going to get ready to watch the Bravo documentary on John Lennon (if anyone else loves the political/talk show J&Y era feel free to email me) *********** We are golden, Carol ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:24:26 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Joni mention (both praise and dis!) in Slate magazine I took my friend Charlie Kaiser to the Joni Tribute the other night, and, being the writer and gem he is he found a way to work it into a column he writes for Slate magazine called "The Breakfast Club." But be warned: he co-writes this thing with another and that guy has some unflattering things to say about Joni. It seems that there will always be those out there who mistake her directness and honesty at a time of great vulnerability for, well, self pity. Ah well, let him--them. It's like that woman said to Joni when she played Court and Spark for Dylan and Co. and Dylan pretended to fall asleep and everyone else just kinda went "huh." Remember that story? She said, "Those boys don't have any ears." Neither, it appears, does this fellow. (Although he does praise Laura Nyro to the skies). To read it their mostly political banter (Charlie works in Hillary of course) go to: http://slate.msn.com/code/breakfast/breakfast.asp?Show=4/17/00&idMessage=5127& idBio=162 p.s. This is the first time I've ever directed anyone to another site by copying in the address--I hope I did it right. If I didn't, then just go to Slate magazine and click on The Breakfast Club--that's what I did. rg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:25:40 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: plea for urgent help JC JC JC JC JC back from my mini ski trip [which involved numerous encounters with levitating mountain-dwelling wizards and a lot of frolicking in the snow, though no skiing at all -- but that's story for another post]. i was surprised to read that joni is now -- after more than 35 years of experimentation in other genres -- a folk singer again. this list is full of surprises. as to the subject line, a person from argentina that was once referred to me by les has written to ask about the dates joni will be performing either in NYC or in San Francisco. can anyone lend a hand? i have the original post that contained this information, but it is probably buried under 3,000 other posts [like colin, i save everything now. you never know when you'll have to sue.] sisters and brothers be sober, sisters and brothers be vigilant! will you write soon, PLEASE? wallyk, np cocteau twins, rilkean heart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:26:14 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: opinions about the tribute In a message dated 4/17/2000 3:53:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marian@jmdl.com writes: << You are right, Catgirl. The Hejira songs are definitely recorded in alternate tunings and that is how Joni plays them. I know you know this, but for anyone who doesn't know, there are some very good transcriptions available in the JMDL Joni Mitchell Guitar Files: >> Thanks Darling and if it wasn't for you I would still be struggling with standard tuning and probably wouldn't have picked up my guitar again...All Hail Marian!!! Big HUGS!!! Catgirl proud owner of a taylor guitar.....all because of learning to play Joni in the correct tunigs...Marian, YOU RULE!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:27:59 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: tribute reaction I'd have to agree with Pat. I enjoyed every bit of the tribute. I even liked >Hilary's speech......(regardless of what some people may think of her) I >thought it was touching that she shared the story of Bill and her walking >through the Chelsea district singing Joni's song. i also agree with jimmy and pat... i like hillary. i just wish she wouldn't have sounded so rehearsed, or "canned" as catgirl, i think, put it. i remember reading this story way back when clinton first ran for president. i liked him much more after i heard it. Hey Alison! I like Hillary too and am glad to hear someone I support is a Joni fan --- BUT . . . we all know that she was talking about Chelsea in London and Joni actually was writing about Chelsea here in good ole' NYC. She said it in that recording in '68 in Cambridge, MA "This song is about the Chelsea district of New York, which used to be a nice place to live until Andy Warhol made a movie about Chelsea girls and gave us all a bad name." Wrong Chelsea Hillary, but I like ya anyway. Shouldn't one of her political advisors have told her that the jimdle's might be listening and would know to which Chelsea she was referring? Probably no one else noticed, except for the joni fan sitting in front of me. We made that connection right away. A little anal and holier than Hillary when it comes to Joni, : ) Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:36:49 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Eccentric/tribute In a message dated 4/17/2000 11:58:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << Best of show last night? Richard Thompson, Cyndi Lauper, Diane Krall and JT. Wow, wow, wow. Was that Kilauren sitting a couple of people to Joni's left? >> I thought the same thing until she sat down and sang *A Case of you* I do beleave that beauty was Daine Krall. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:41:01 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: tribute reaction (VLJC) >>>>I think it is called R_E_S_P_E_C_T. You know it seems like a little thing or something one can be called "picky" about if they mention it but KD Lang IMHO totally blew it. Shes entitled to wear whatever she wants at HER tribute, but out of respect for Joni she should have dressed up. Those who give no respect to others have no right to demand same. I think this is symptomatic of todays "values". Example. What if right in the middle of the slobs song someone decided to just walk up on stage and read their latest poetry. No respect right ? Well by the slobs values that should be perfectly all right because no one has to give respect to anyone else. We just do what WE think is cool and everyone else has to live happily with it. Lets not quibble over degrees because then we are talking about the same thing. Let the flames begin<<<< kd lang paid homage to Joni by singing one of the most heartfelt, sexual, beautiful, versions of "Help Me" I've ever heard with ease. She bowed to Joni and put her hands to her heart after she finished, thanking her for the blessing of the song. I was there and I saw it. It was very humble and I thought pretty damn respectful. What a person wears, what a singer wears, has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not she respects the artist for whose tribute she is performing. Absolutely nothing. She quite possibly will turn lots of people onto Joni's music as a result of her terrific performance. If that's disrespect, then she can disrespect my music any time she likes. All that crap about what people wear or how pretty they are or how fat they are is what is keeping the good stuff from getting through. IMHO - totally superficial. It just doesn't matter. Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:40:46 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Trbute glimpses and JMDL sign Sue (not James) Cameron wrote ;-) > Now that we have shared our reviews of the show, lets talk >about who was there! The couple in the box with their child >behind Joni... who were they? I was wondering the same thing. >Donald we know, but where was Kilauren? Someone said they thought they saw her.. Someone (pat?) asked if that was Donald getting choked up and teary and yes it was. I did not notice Kilauren at all and I think they would have shown her if she was there. Diana Krall was sitting with Joni for a bit and I can see a slight resemblance to Kilauren. > Listers who were present, can you tell us again where you were sitting and > if you glimpsed yourselves at all? I'd like to hear about this, too. I hope you all spotted yourselves. > Nice credit at the end to Jim Johansen. Did anyone else notice? I kicked myself for missing the credits twice! Bravo to Jim! > One more note about the JMDL sign...I am ready to ship it out west if there > are any takers... I love your idea Sue but I don't know how we can do this logistically unless someone going to the L.A. show is also attending the show in Concord in Northern California. The L.A. show is on a Friday night and the Concord is the very next night, I believe. There would be no way to Fed-Ex it in time. The only way is if someone personally hand-carries it with them. If we can't swing it on the west coast, I hope we can at least cover most of the other shows. Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #144 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?