From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #143 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Monday, April 17 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 143 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Tribute on TNT [Scott Price ] Coyote's Tribute to the JMDL (VLJC) [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] Questions/Comments re:TNT Tribute [LasaterJ@aol.com] Re: opinions about the tribute [Marian ] Re: [Re: opinions about the tribute MD)] [Lori Reason ] Re: TNT Tribute [catman ] Re: Covers and Contributions Project ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Tribute review from the "older generation" ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Mark In Seattle ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lamadoo\)" ] Re: Tribute review from the "older generation" [Jerry Notaro ] tribute reaction [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute [Mike Friedman ] No Subject [Ladygrammy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #194 [TanyerSCO@aol.com] Tribute DVD? ["Demarcus, Thomas A" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #194 [TanyerSCO@aol.com] Tribute ["howard_scptv" ] Re: Elton's Free Man (VLJC) [TanyerSCO@aol.com] Eccentric/tribute [Steve Dulson ] Fwd: TNT Tribute comments [GREYC1@aol.com] Re: Tribute DVD? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] naively optimistic and tribute [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Eccentric/tribute [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: tribute reaction [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: TNT Special...thoughts from a neophyte [FMYFL@aol.com] TNT - kathryn's help ["P. Henry" ] Re: Close, but no guitars. ;-( [Catherine McKay ] Re: [Catherine McKay ] Joni on TNT [Steve Polifka ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:02:47 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Joni Tribute on TNT Just finished watching the TNT tribute show and must thank all those who were present at the taping for their wonderful descriptions. Your observations added greatly to my enjoyment of this show. Also must give a little thank you to whomever "invented" stereo TV and surround sound receivers...who would have thought 20 years ago that a television broadcast could have such great sonics? I'm still in a bit of disbelief that *Joni* is the focus of all this attention! Is the world other than the JMDL now recognizing her genius? :-) I thought the producers did a great job matching up performers to songs. So many fine moments, but the standouts for me were Richard Thompson on "Woodstock" and kd lang singing "Help Me." Thompson's guitar playing is as rock-solid as anything I've ever heard. The man must have a grip like a vise...his notes sustain and have a clarity that is rarely heard. kd lang may need a little "help me" with her wardrobe but that voice needs no help at all...what a beautiful instrument! I thought her rendition most closely matched the "original" Joni version but she brought her own cool sophistication to the presentation and I felt the song literally soared. The acoustic guitar and vocal duet of Shawn Colvin and Mary Chapin Carpenter on "Amelia" had me spellbound. While I think it may have been more affecting to have just one, or the other, perform the song solo, I did very much like the harmonies and the blending of the two guitars. I didn't expect to enjoy Elton John's "Free Man" but once again, felt this song suited his style very well and it came off just fine. Cassandra, Diana, and so many others turned in top-quality performances also...what a super lineup of talent! Joni closed the evening with the style and grace we've come to expect. She seemed genuinely touched by the tribute and her performance (backed by the large orchestra) was a fitting jewel to cap the show. She said that it would take a while for all this to sink in. I think I understand what she's talking about...it's still not quite sinking in to me that after all these years she's getting all this much-deserved attention. A fitting tribute indeed. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 03:14:17 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Coyote's Tribute to the JMDL (VLJC) Hey fellow listers: Move on if you want to avoid the ramblings of a temporarily jaded he-devil from LA. I watched the tribute tonight perhaps with glasses on that I would prefer not to wear. Not a good night for me overall. It's our night and I wasn't there. I was happy she had her night. But, it made me think of those that may never be so celebrated. That made me mad. All I could think about was y'all and your contributions to our lives. Speaking for myself, more than JM has ever done. No one did a TV show about you. You were robbed. Spurred on by some personal quandary, I tried to move myself. I even played H, HOSL, and DED (my lonely favorite), to get in the mood. Heck, JM played throughout my house all day as I worked to get myself up for the night's festivities. I hoped JM would come through for me as she has in the past. Ya know, lift my spirits. Make me think deeply. Make me feel connected. Make me feel *lucky.* But surprisingly, it was Helen Reddy that did the trick. I'll spare you the gory details. I began to wonder why I was rearranging my plans to stay home and watch this tribute live when the VCR would capture every angle for eternal viewing. I've wondered why, for months now, I faithfully read fifty or so emails a day from people I don't even know. Especially since the subject of so many emails doesn't even own a computer and is semi-clueless to the depth of THE DEVOTION. The devotion of people that will probably never sit with her in the balcony of The Televised Devotion. Simply because we share a common interest, I read them. I even reread some of them. I even save some on the hard drive. I began to wonder if there was something terribly wrong with me. Is my life not full enough that I seek pleasure from a keyboard, a flickering CRT, and that certain email that tells me something I didn't know. Yet, it is so damn important. I can't skim. Damn, I can't even lurk. Some people I know live in Internet chat rooms seeking love or some resemblance. Heck, if that doesn't work, they will settle for a safe roll in the hay. I hope safe. I guess that part of me is fulfilled, so, I sign on the computer to find out what new project Bob is working on. Or what news Kakki is sharing about her latest LA adventure or where Clark has so painfully (and joyously) last sung. Or where Mark (and/or) Travis really live. Or what positive little message Paz has to give about Jonifest. Or what observances Catherine has to share about what she has read. I love those. Or how Penny is supporting us all. Or, wondrously, how Anne is doing in her struggle to survive. Tell me, my fellow listers, why do we sign on? Why do we do so much for someone we don't even know? Is it because we like hearing from people who seem to share a basal characteristic or interest? Is it because something about her represents our collective past? Is it really just the music? If so, why don't we so fervently belong to the discussion lists of other miraculous artists? Do they exist or does God give us only one hero? Or is it really about our past, a past that we don't ever want to forget? Did she provide the soundtrack? Or is it that she lives the life some of us would always want to live. To be celebrated for our contributions to society? To have websites created about us? By people we don't even know? We all contribute. Herein, in our small ways, we are famous. Maybe not because we can turn a phrase well, or open tune a guitar (whatever the hell that means), but because we take time out of our lives to do things for others - even if it is simply writing inspirational words on a flickering CRT. We make a connection. Yes, I love her too. But she really doesn't live that differently. Maybe more fabulously. What has she really done but provide us subject for discussion and glorious music for our tired ears? I love her for that, but lots of people do that for me. Some celebrated. Some not. She has people that want to do TV specials about her talent. A lot of people don't have that. And a lot of people deserve that. Personally, I am celebrating tonight the talent of the people on this list. The people that have truly changed my life on a daily basis. On a personal basis. The ones that have really made me think. Those that answer my mail - not toss it in a wastebasket. Not with the release of a record. I don't know why I do it. Why I savor each email. But I do it. And I always feel so much better afterward. Just like good sex. So, tonight while some of the world celebrates JM, and well they should, I celebrate you, my fellow listers, for the love you share and the inspiration you provide. Don't ever stop. No regrets, Coyote Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 03:42:35 EDT From: LasaterJ@aol.com Subject: Questions/Comments re:TNT Tribute Hello JMDLers. After an extended hiatus, I'm back on the list. (During my absence, I checked the archives every once and a while, but I must admit I'm pretty out of it Joni-wise.) I've got some questions, sorry if this stuff has already been covered on the list: 1. Any chance that there will be an audio CD and/or video/DVD release of the tribute show? I'm pretty sure that somebody released the TNT Burt Bacharach tribute on CD, so maybe they'll do the same for the Joni show? 2. Who invited John Stamos? And why did the camera keep cutting to him? Surely because he has a gorgeous supermodel wife who was sitting next to him, right? 3. Where and when is the New Orleans Jonifest? Is this covered on the Web site somewhere? 4. Why didn't anybody perform a song or two from Joni's more recent recordings, like say, NRH or TTT? Some impressions from tonight's show: The people I worship (Richard Thompson, Shawn Colvin) were merely good, but the people I don't particularly care for (Wynona Judd, Bryan Adams, Cyndi Lauper) really impressed me. I also loved the performances by Diana Krall and Cassandra Wilson. Other highlights: - -k.d. lang singing 'Help Me.' - -Elton John singing 'Free Man In Paris' - -Sir Elton claiming that performing in front of the Queen of England isn't as intimidating as performing in front of Joni Mitchell. Classic. - -Joni genuinely touched/stunned/speechless at the end of the show. Glad to be back on the list, - -John Lasater ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:55:10 +0200 From: Marian Subject: Re: opinions about the tribute In a message dated 4/17/2000 12:08:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dave writes: << < AMELIA in open tunings << < Hejira was the only album done in standard << < tuning. I heard Joni talk about that in an << < interview saying that it was a pain to keep << < tuning the guitar when she was on the road << < writting that album so she kept it in standard. << < Dave >> First of all, Joni doesn't ever have any trouble tuning her guitar. Why would she have trouble tuning it on the road? Even if she bought some cheap guitar for the journey, I can't imagine her resorting to standard tuning because she was having trouble tuning it. (????) It just doesn't make sense. If she had trouble tuning her guitar to her alternate tunings, then she would have just as much trouble keeping it in standard tuning! Secondly, I just can't imagine Joni coming up with the musical structures of the Hejira songs using standard tuning as a starting point. It is definitely possible to play the Hejira songs in standard tuning, as I know from seeing someone play Refuge Of The Roads in standard tuning in Vienna for the Joni tribute a couple of years ago. But the gymnastics required for achieving Joni's chords in standard tuning are beyond the ability of most guitarists and Joni has said in an interview that she has weakness in her left hand due to polio and the alternate tunings make it easier for her to achieve the sounds she likes the most. Thirdly, it is my opinion that Joni's melodies are inspired by the beauty of the chords in the alternate tunings. I suspect (don't know for sure) that when Joni composes, the tuning and chord shapes come first, then the melodies, then the words. I would be surprised if she dreams up a melody and then tries to work out the chord shapes to go with it. It's hard to work that way - hard to take a song in standard and put it into an alternate tuning. Ask Martin Giles who has made a beautiful version of For Free for the guitar. On Mon 17 Apr 2000 01:12:44 EDT CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: > Well, I don't know about that. You will have to ask > the guitar expert herself, Marain. I know when I play > and and when I saw her (Joni) play it it looked kinda > open tuning to me. Also, when she does Coyote (which > I do as well) It is definately in open tuning. I have > seen her play that on SAL and even can play along with > her in the open tuning. All I need is a beret! > Catgirl You are right, Catgirl. The Hejira songs are definitely recorded in alternate tunings and that is how Joni plays them. I know you know this, but for anyone who doesn't know, there are some very good transcriptions available in the JMDL Joni Mitchell Guitar Files: http://216.247.66.89/guitar/index.cfm Marian Vienna NPIMH: Blind Willie McTell - Dylan ------------------------------ Date: 17 Apr 00 10:41:36 MET DST From: Lori Reason Subject: Re: [Re: opinions about the tribute MD)] Interesting - when I saw Diana Krall she said her favorite singer of all time is Peggy Lee. She also said she was lucky enough to have had the same vocal coach. (I can't remember who - I'm terrible at remembering names. Help!) Someone else (see?) said you could hear a pin drop when Diana came out. I wonder if she has that effect on her audiences. I saw her over here in Switzerland, same thing - you could hear a pin drop between all the songs, and I assumed it was because the Swiss are usually a pretty quiet, reserved audience. Maybe she just has that kind of command - presence - charisma. She was great in concert and very funny - told little stories of her adventure in the Antarctic. I wish I could have seen the Tribute - it sounds so wonderful, especially that you could see Joni's reaction to it all. Lori, not going to the back of the class :) > Absolutely seguing into the next phase of her singing career and from what I heard her do shes right there with Peggy lee. If you don't know who she was go to the back of the class. > > Seriously Peggy Lee is one of the all time best female vocalists and song interpreters in history and a genius. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 01:41:18 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Tribute review from the "older generation" I thought this was a cute review from the parental side. My mother had been after me all week to remind her of the tribute show airing. After the first showing she called and said with concrete finality "you know who was the best singer of them all?? JONI!" And "she outsang them all. Her voice is MUCH better now than those old albums you used to play." She thought Joni looked very beautiful but doesn't like the "crinkly" clothes. She also sounded Myrtle-like when she tsked at Joni and James "gleaming" at each other and wondered what Joni's boyfriend thought of it all. (side comment - Boy, Donald sure looked handsome tonight) Thought Ashley, Wynonna, Shawn and Mary Chapin Carpenter were cute in their stories about singing Joni songs and imitating her in their youth and also said that k.d. should have dressed up a bit more. Loved the early photos and said with a slight sigh that she never knew Stephen Stills was so gorgeous. (I told her Graham is the handsome one now) Grilled me about all the other musicians - Klein, Isham, et al. (I think she'd like to go to the show in May) Said my father kept asking where I was in the audience and that she snapped impatiently that it was in New York and he said she just doesn't get his sense of humor. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 05:17:47 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: TNT Tribute JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > -My best of show vote goes to Cyndi Lauper doing "Carey". I loved the way > she infused the song with an African rhythm and slower tempo. Her voice is > perfect for this song. I thought exactly the same thing. This is my favorite of the show too. It was such a surprise after Raised on Robbery which sounded pretty much the way Joni did it, and at the taping before Cyndi started I was hearing the familiar Carey in my head. But as soon as I heard those new rhythms, my old friend, the lighthearted Carey, had to take a hike. I also loved how Cyndi added the extra verse and had to coax the musicians to keep going. I think they were very surprised. She could have gone on for a lot longer and I would have been happy. A close second favorite of the show was Richard Thompson doing Woodstock. That really did sweep me into serious fanhood (and that hasn't happened since I first heard Joni almost 30 years ago). I loved the sound of his voice and guitar playing and strong presence. It was great seeing all those closeups on the TV. What a guy! Now I understand what all you RT fans were talking about. Black Crow had been hard to hear at the actual performance -- for some reason I couldn't quite make sense of it then, so I'm enjoying it much more now that I'm able to listen again, and probably again. And Diana Krall did a great job on A Case of You. I feel like I just want to listen to that over and over and over. > Feels so good to be in love with Joni Mitchell tonight. Yes, it does. Joni's grown up and I've been lucky enough to tag along. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:21:27 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: TNT Tribute Okay, all of us not in the USA, what shall we talk about? :( ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:27:53 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Covers and Contributions Project Kakki wrote: >I received the latest installment of the box set today and have had it on >repeat play. Thanks, Bob! > >There are some amazing gems on it. Some of the standouts for me were: > >> 1. Jacqui Fitzgerald - Dry Cleaner From Des Moines >> 2. Jacqui Fitzgerald - Be Cool >> 3. Jacqui Fitzgerald - God Must Be a Boogie Man > >Talk about picking the most ambitious songs to cover! I am very impressed >with her. Glad you liked my little contribution to this project - and thanks again Bob for a great job! Jacqui Fitzgerald is a NZ jazz singer who's been around for quite a few years, although I think she's moved to the other side of the microphone these days - ie. production. If you'd like to hear more, I'd be only too happy to record the entire album for you (or anyone else that's interested) - it's well worth hearing! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:01:45 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Tribute review from the "older generation" Kakki shared her mother's thoughts on the TNT show: >Thought Ashley, Wynonna, Shawn and >Mary Chapin Carpenter were cute in their stories about singing Joni songs >and imitating her in their youth and also said that k.d. should have dressed >up a bit more. Loved the early photos and said with a slight sigh that she >never knew Stephen Stills was so gorgeous. (I told her Graham is the >handsome one now) I agree that Stills used to be the cute one, and that Graham has aged the best! But as for the TNT tribute, I bought my copy of our "NZ Woman's Weekly" today - a terrible magazine, which has lots of articles about how adorable the young royals are (that cheeky young Harry!), lots of knitting patterns, and cute stories about grandchildren in a section called "Over The Teacups". I buy it because there's a crossword competition to win $1000 every week, which would partially fund my trip to the 2005 Jonifest! Anyway, on the first couple of pages are the "society" photos from Hollywood etc. with a photo of kd lang at the TNT Tribute with the following caption: "Call the fashion police! Normally super-cool singer kd lang turned up to a New York tribute concert for JONI MITCHELL wearing ROSEANNE BARR's clothes". No photo of Joni or any other news about the Tribute - which just goes to prove that NZ is the musical, cultural and intellectual back-water that I've always maintained! Hell NP: Bonnie Raitt - Nick of Time _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:07:07 -1000 (HST) From: RainbowCrystal@webtv.net Subject: Rainbow's rambling Aloha everyone! On this still, beautiful moonlit nite I am finally writing . It seems like it takes so long to keep up with the reading that I don't feel like writing after I finally finish, even tho I am totally with you all. Coyote, I loved your post. It really says it all. Maybe that's why I don't write more often--because it's already said so well. I don't know how many of you with jobs and families find the time to keep up with all this. I am out here on the edge of the ocean with this web tv. My neighbor mentioned seeng Joni on Letterman--I didn't realize he got tv reception or I would have invited myself over! So I made a special point to do so for the Rosie show, only it was on a different station that got shitty reception, so I could see it was her, (barely) but not really make out any of the talking. It was frustrating! And tonite--the tribute show! I am still unfamiliar with the way this whole video tree thing works, but would there be a show of Joni's tv appearances, as well as the tribute show available as one tape? I know there are others who didn't have the opportunity to catch these shows either. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:06:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tribute Impressions <> Welcome (back), Russ! While I wouldn't call Wynonna's tunes the highlight, she certainly seemed to be sincerely humbled at the opportunity to sing them in front of Joni herself... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 07:49:25 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Yet another tribute comment! Not much to add to everyone's insightful comments - I just thought it was the best 2 hours of televsion I've seen in a LONG time!!!!!! (Possibly, ever?) I'm going to see CSN & Y tonight. It will be great to keep the musical "high" going. (Plus, seeing Joni's old boyfriends will keep the theme going :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:13:03 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lamadoo\)" Subject: Mark In Seattle I guess Mark's "out" of the geographical closet so to speak. Tell me Mark, why did you decide to "out" yourself on a Sunday? Your secret's out. You don't live in Seattle. Now that tag line is due for revision! Mark said, > Mark somewhere north of Seattle in a burb called Shoreline that was once called unincorporated King County and whose address in those days was indeed Seattle All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati BTW, I live in northern Kentucky!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:26:46 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Tribute review from the "older generation" > > > Anyway, on the first couple of pages are the "society" photos from Hollywood > etc. with a photo of kd lang at the TNT Tribute with the following caption: > > "Call the fashion police! Normally super-cool singer kd lang turned up to a > New York tribute concert for JONI MITCHELL wearing ROSEANNE BARR's clothes". Roseanne never looked THAT bad. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:09:17 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lamadoo\)" Subject: Joni's TNT Tribute Best line: When "For The Roses" came out, (Mary Chapin) Carpenter and me both went out and bought green pants suits and those Frye boots. We're not you. But we're here to pay TRIBUTE to you. Great line, great timing. Like only a Singer Songwriter could deliver. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu BTW, did anyone else notice that Jim Johanson has posted on Wally's page, the great news that Joni's playing 2 nights at Madison Square Garden. Our Joni???? She must be selling some albums this year! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:37:41 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: tribute reaction my thoughts on the tribute went like this. 1. richard thompson was totally cool and i am amazed that this guy has been out on the plante and i have missed him. i thought his version of woodstock was the best i have ever heard. i actually thought he mixed some of everyones versions in that. i thought he sang it like joni, but bent strings like stills. it was the high point of the show for me. and i too thought of him as a clapton, only with a more gentle touch. 2. diana krall was the next best moment. her piano playing was great and her version of a case...made me think she knew what the song was really all about. like she owned a part of the song. 3. i thought cindi lauper did a great job with carey. and i thought she surprised the band by stretching it which was totally cool. like she just wasn't ready to let up yet. made me a little afraid of her. 4. i thought winnona did a great job alone and i liked it when she stopped playing and just sang. i just felt she hit the vocals like they were meant to be hit. 5. at one point, the guy sitting on joni's right, our left, seemed to be crying and that was cool. there was nothing negative about the show that stood out to me at all. these things were just the things that i remember this morning. pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 07:50:37 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute Just to be clear, VHS is a video standard, whereas NTSC and PAL (and SECAM in France) are television braodcast standards. VHS can record from any of the standards, it's interchangeable. ================================================================ "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Brain, but how are we gonna find chaps our size?" Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA, USA http://63.192.218.181 > From: Richard Goldman > Reply-To: Richard Goldman > Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:58:29 -0700 > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute > > >> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:06:07 -0500 >> From: pat holden >> Subject: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute >> >> on my knees begging..would some kind soul do me the >> sweeeet favour of making a copy of the tribute show >> too. We won't be able to see it here either :((( waa >> waaa waaaaa. >> ahhhh but the art show might head this way!!! I can >> only hope >> >> gratitude from the bottom of my heart >> >> mags* > > Of course! I'll make and send you a copy, mags: as long as you Canada is > VHS and not PAL, right? Then no problema, amiga. Just send me your snail > mail address and I'll get ya' one next week. > > RichardSF > richard2sf@earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------ Date: 17 Apr 00 10:59:34 EDT From: Loren Carter Subject: TNT Special...thoughts from a neophyte Hello all, I missed Letterman (work night and I had to get into bed). I missed Rosie (at work). After reading all of your impressions about those two ventures into TV-land, I sure as hell wasn't gonna miss the TNT event. I'm hating life right now, stayed up to watch, went to bed, the alarm went off 30 minutes or so later, so I'm really sleepy right now at work. Sure hope nobody notices. Anyway, I really enjoyed Cindy Lauper singing Carrie (I could have done without her pelvic thrusting), to me the singing and emotion was beautiful. Did I see her tear up after finishing? The story of her singing Joni songs on the curb for money, then watching her sing, I had to grab a hanky too. Elton John singing Free Man in Paris..I think that that's the first time I've heard that one, and I really loved it. Really liked his comment about being nervous singing in front of Joni, even after singing in front of the Queen. James Taylor and a guitar...ain't nothing better. Sandy Krull (apologise if I have her name wrong) and a piano...damm fine too...gotta go and hit the record store to find and purchase some of her stuff. TNT replayed the event immediately after the first one, and my wife stayed up to watch it again. Then I'm sure that I heard Mingus on the tape player downstairs. Thanks for letting me put my chump change in the bucket this morning. Sure hope TNT replays this again in the future, gotta have the VCR recording next time. After listening for about half the show, I uttered a "AH, NICE". The kind of NICE that you speak when something truly wonderful is happening and you get to be a part of it. You know ineffable (had to look that one up in Webster's, but it is so fitting of the whole event, thanks Ashley for teaching me a new word), and for the "correct" pronounciation of Hejira. Loren..... NP...James Taylor singing River (sadly, only in my memory) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Joni's sales jump! Morning y'all! Wasn't that tribute great!!!! Especially loved Cindy Lauper's Carey.....more me too's later...I'm late for work. But I wanted to pass on a quick check of Joni's sales numbers on different web sites. Tower....BSN #9 CDNow....BSN #12 Amazon ....BSN # 1, Hits #11, Blue #17, C&S #25, Hejira #40, LOTC #56, FTR #64 And on Amazon's "Movers and Shakers": 1...Hits 2....C&S 3....Blue 10....BSN Ain't it cool!!!! Go Joan!!! Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 00 10:04:12 -0500 From: "howard_scptv" Subject: High Fidelity (SJC) First of all, go see High Fidelity. Really good movie, smart, funny, very well-written, well-directed. John Cusack is great and so is Chicago. So much Chicago in it. And I am sure someone has mentioned this already but there is a JM visual reference and verbal reference (albeit in the same scene). The friend I was with, knowing I am a Joni freak, leaned over as soon as he saw the JM album cover to point it out to me. I missed it. Moments later, however, he says something like "Right, so you're banging to Joni Mitchell now." Correct me if I am wrong. Howard M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:14:35 EDT From: Ladygrammy@aol.com Subject: No Subject Hi, I've been pretty quiet for a while now. Had a baby 7 months ago and have been producing 5 or 6 days a week. I watched the tribute. It was interesting to me to see who was chosen to sing Joni's stuff. I would have liked to see some better singers. If anyone besides Joni is going to sing her material they ought to do better. I loved Carey with Cyndi. She impressed me and I also think she is underrated. Hope to see another hit with her soon. I love K.D Lang but thought the key did not showcase what she is famous for, her slide... It seemed like there was some country tones to most of the songs, interesting, hm. James Taylor still has it! Made me think that I might like to have some of my artists sings some Joni tunes and produce them in the most soulful way possible. Thought my husband's comments about what a great writer she is was wonderful We have been married for many years. He is only now getting turned on to Joni. My whole career is dedicated to her. She taught me that a woman could be in love with men and with life and that people would love to hear about it. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:26:31 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #194 In a message dated 4/17/00 3:04:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << I met Rosie years ago backstage at a Joan Armatrading concert ( NAME DROPPER) just as she was signed to her show. What a discusting pig she was. >> Dave, IMHO, I'm going to venture to say that if she weighed a hundred and twenty pounds, you wouldn't call her a disgusting pig. Maybe you would, but I doubt it. Thanks for the insight about your experience, though. Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:27:15 -0400 From: "Demarcus, Thomas A" Subject: Tribute DVD? Folks, I'm new to the list after watching the smashing tribute last night. The performances and production were tremendous and the technical quality of the digital audio and video via satellite on my home theater setup had to be better than being there (if not as exciting). Does anyone know if there are plans to release a DVD? tomflix ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:31:06 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #194 In a message dated 4/17/00 3:04:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Yeah that was before Hejira, the songs (in standard tuning) were Urge For Going and and and OH NO I forget >> Dave, Don't bother listening to everything. The other song is Tin Angel. I play it all the time. : ) Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 00 10:33:13 -0500 From: "howard_scptv" Subject: Tribute I have to weigh in with my best and worst. Loved: Cyndi Lauper A-may-zing; the video clips--for all the pics but mostly for the clips of music (mmm Turbulent Indigo, Coyote, mmm); Shawn and Mary Chapin--someone at the concert didn't like them and I was expecting the worst--and I thought they were sublime (could Amelia be a more brilliant song?); Cassandra Wilson--hoochie mama; Sweet Honey in the Rock; Diana Krall--she made me laugh with " I'll be in the bar"; kd lang--who has one of the most divine voices Okay: Elton--he wasn't bad, it just wasn't great; Richard Thompson on Woodstock--I actually didn't like it much but it made me cry when he sang we are stardust the first time--he screamed a few words a little too much; Wynonna on both songs seemed not to know the lyrics (she was watching the telepromoter, as was R Thompson) And for all the Ashley-blather about how she and Wy used to listen to Joni constantly, in the barn (I thought her mother was a nurse in Kansas City or something?) with flashlights, etc, you think she'd have a special convolution in her brain for the lyrics. (I know I do and I wasn't singing at no tribute concert.) and, while I don't know anything about music, I think I know that songs can be rearranged to suit the singer's range, yes? She was struggling with those high notes in both songs. (Which is one of the things I hate about singing along with Joni sometimes, I can't make those musical leaps with my untrained voice.); Laurence Fishburne introducing the jazz song being sung by a black woman--can we please get away from this shit right now--they do this at the Oscars, too, having blacks introducing black movies and cutting away to black audience members if one wins or is speaking (they did this in the Oscars when Almodovar won--they cut away to Gloria Estefan--a Cuban but close enough for Oscar)--I mean he may be a jazz afficianado but it is a little wierd and smacks of tokenism. Hated: James T should have thrown that version in a River; Black Crow--bunch a noise--but I have never liked that song, Coyote would have been a much better choice by far, but almost nothing is better than Coyote; Bryan Adams--I have nothing against him but was he there simply becuz he is Canadian? I found it wierd that a man was singing Raised on Robbery (and I want more men to sing Joni songs without changing the lyric--i.e, my Crusade for George Michael and Last Time ISR) but in this song, it just didn't work. Only embarrassing moment: Tony Bennett screwing up his last line then trying to save it, only made it worse. Most Amazing Performance: Joni. What that song means with her singing it now--and how beautifully she sings it (with that smoke/age-ravaged voice) and phrases it--it is hearbreaking. Loved. Loved. For what it's worth. Howard M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:37:00 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: Elton's Free Man (VLJC) In a message dated 4/17/00 3:04:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << I liked all the songs but what really got me was Elton. He sang Free Man in paris in a very low register and it seemed to me that he was having a hard time with a cold inflicted vocal chords. In fact the song was played in a very unusual key. >> Marcel, It sounded like an unusual key to me too, but I think mostly because I am a woman and sing in Joni's octave. Men's voices don't transpose (or fit) at an octave, they usually transpose at about a fourth or a fifth, which would make the song sound almost at the other end of the spectrum. Although it is possible to sing at the octave, it probably would feel more spectacular to him at the fifth, so he could sing for comfort - especially if he had a cold. Interesting stuff . . . : ) Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:56:08 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Eccentric/tribute >Is Joni becoming "artsy eccentric"?> > > becoming?!?!? wasn't she already???;o) > Doesn't she have a couple cats? : ) > Didn't she used to play the dulcimer? :>) Uh-oh. I have three dulcimers and three cats...so that makes me...? Best of show last night? Richard Thompson, Cyndi Lauper, Diane Krall and JT. Wow, wow, wow. Was that Kilauren sitting a couple of people to Joni's left? ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:04:31 EDT From: GREYC1@aol.com Subject: Fwd: TNT Tribute comments - --part1_64.1d9dad6.262c900f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_64.1d9dad6.262c900f_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: GREYC1@aol.com From: GREYC1@aol.com Full-name: GREY C1 Message-ID: <4c.43dd92d.262c8ab2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:41:38 EDT Subject: Re: TNT Tribute comments To: Wolfebite@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 101 In a message dated 04/16/00 10:21:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Wolfebite@aol.com writes: << diana krall, cassandra wilson and cyndi lauper get my vote for making the songs a.) not just a cover version, b.) more than just their own style. c.) a wonderful hybrid that served the songs wonderfully. d.) all of the above. >> I have to agree...it was a great surprise to hear Cyndi Lauper's "true" voice. Cassandra Wilson and Diana Krall are just so amazing. I'm so glad that they were "representing" the jazz end of the musicians. I hope I don't get a lot of flack for what I'm about to say, but, I'm finding Mark Isham's trumpet really annoying. He seems to play the same single-note style motifs over and over. I don't find his additions to the music very interesting or inspired. It's as though he needs to fill his alloted number of bars with something. It's a very, very far cry from Wayne Shorter's genius on the soprano sax!! Just my not-so-humble opinion!! - --part1_64.1d9dad6.262c900f_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:14:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tribute DVD? <> Welcome, Tom! Don't know if there'll be any official releases of this in any format, the DVD would be cool so they could put in all sorts of extra goodies! Look forward to hearing more from you! Bob NP (Now Playing): Tom Waits, "Hold On" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:12:48 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: naively optimistic and tribute OK, so it takes a couple of days for the chemo to really hit you. I kind of knew that, but was hoping it wouldn't be as bad as it was. I'm only just starting to feel alive at all - well barely... Unfortunately, I missed a JMDL get-together to watch the tribute. Oh boo. I'm also missing the last 3 minutes or so. My tape stops on the last line of BSN. What's after that??? Did Joni say anything? lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon Apr 17 12:30:21 2000 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Eccentric/tribute <> I think that was Diana Krall, Steve...that chair seemed to be a "floater" chair, everytime the camera panned up there, there was somebody different. And I LOVED the closeup shots of Joni with her eyes shut, feeling the songs, really enjoying herself... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:32:15 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: tribute reaction In a message dated 4/17/00 10:41:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Siresorrow@aol.com writes: << there was nothing negative about the show that stood out to me at all >> I'd have to agree with Pat. I enjoyed every bit of the tribute. I even liked Hilary's speech......(regardless of what some people may think of her) I thought it was touching that she shared the story of Bill and her walking through the Chelsea district singing Joni's song. I was also pleasantly surprised that Shawn Colvin and Mary Chapin Carpenter were wonderful. I remembered a few of the listers that saw the live performance said one of their songs wasn't so hot. I love both of those singers and I was prepared for a let down. I'm sure if I were to watch the tape over and over I might find some flaws.... ie someone sang a wrong note or kd lang had some toe jam, but I thought it was one hell of a performance by EVERYONE !!!! I will say my favorite part was seeing Joni's face with her eyes closed as if she was in a trance while Diana Krall was singing ACOY. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:36:10 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: TNT Special...thoughts from a neophyte In a message dated 4/17/00 11:02:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lorencarter@usa.net writes: << Sure hope TNT replays this again in the future, gotta have the VCR recording next time. >> It will be airing again Loren. I think someone posted some of the dates, but I just looked at TNT's site and it said it will be aired April 19th at 12:30 a.m. (EST) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:39:59 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: TNT - kathryn's help kathryn wrote: >Forgive me if this is not the place to do this. I just thought since I already have the capability I'd be happy to help if I can.> kathryn, I think thanks rather than forgiveness are in order... out of a list of over 600 you may find you've bitten off a bit much and if so, I think there are others with the capability who would be willing/able to help share that load. (just judging from the kindness that's been shown to me since I've been a lister) at any rate, I'm one of the needy ones who can't get the cable coverage... the problem is your mail server thinks I'm a spammer or something and rejected me when I tried to write you privately, hence, this onlist request... here's the rejected message: >>: Connected to 206.52.158.250 but sender was rejected. Remote host said: 550 We don't accept spam mail - --- Below this line is a copy of the message. hi kathryn, wow, that is really nice of you to make such an offer. I live all the way on Guam and it would be great if I could get a copy of the tape also. if you could check the next time you're in to PO on what it would cost for postage and also email me you postal address so I can send you the money, that would be great. $10 ought to cover it but maybe not. pls let me know.>> thanks, pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:46:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Close, but no guitars. ;-( I'm behind again so I'm sure this has already been answered, but that won't stop me... - --- Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Call me a little Joni anal freak here but isn't the > name of the daughter > Joni gave up for fostering, Kelly? The name of the > daughter she got in touch > with was the name the Gibbs gave her which was > Kilauren.... Joni named her Kelly. When she placed her for adoption, the adoptive parents named her Kilauren. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:55:28 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Tribute Concert re-run While perusing the Sunday paper tv schedule at work last nite I noticed that TNT will be rebroadcasting THE concert Thursday morning at 12:30 am PDT. Check your local listings. Travis somewhere. NP: my local NPR station KUOW. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:03:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: I got a similar grouchy e-mail. I'm glad I wasn't the only one he complained about (that wouldn't be fair!) It would be nice to hear something more from Greg, apart from asking us not to post about *other* things - - most of the time we do remember the NJC tag (we're still human, therefore we err occasionally). Greg, have you considered subscribing to the joni-only list? Then, you wouldn't have to hear from pains like us who like to talk about *everything*. ;) - --- catman wrote: > Anyone know who this nice person is? > > Greg Dudichum wrote: > > > > Hello catman, This is about you posting Star wars > messages to a Joni > > Mitchell discussion list. Do you even know who > Joni is? Appearantly not- > > She is a 56 year old folk singer who is not even > remotely associatef with > > Star Wars so please stop posting!!!!!!!!! > ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:13:53 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Joni on TNT To Coyote (and all the rest...) I got caught up in your quandry and thirst for meaning, in your post. My celebration of all things Joni was spent with other fans, and 'newbie' to Joni, with the watching of the Special last night. Sometimes I just feel that Joni, somehow, someway-(and all the time so elequently and honestly)- speaks for the collective unconscious of mankind. She has touched you and I and the rest of the JMDL- as well as folks who are now even familiar with us- in indescribable ways. In the Chili's post to send fanmail, I thought, "Well, what WOULD I say?" How can I describe the emotion she has ferreted out of me when my walls were put up high and strong, or when I felt great about love or life she could get me to feel even higher than I was flying already? So I celebrated the 'recognition' and 'praise' and 'honor' that was bestowed upon her through a feeble TV program. Feeble only in the fact that it could not cover the broad spectrum of thanks, gratitude and greatfulness that we all feel. (What I did get from watching was that ALL involved truly felt some connection and caring for her and her art-music/painting/sharing/giving-whatever it is- And that is what made TNT's show a true Tribute. So Coyote, enjoy the moment- a mere 2 hours- of great love over the 'wires and pipes'... After all. the only thing that is important is how she has touched your life... Yours in all-things-Joni, Steve Steve ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #143 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?