From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #135 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, April 11 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 135 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: joni as Gay Icon [Dmascall@aol.com] re: Joni as gay icon [Dmascall@aol.com] Re: joni's clothes [FMYFL@aol.com] Parody [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Subject: Re: Joni, Miyake, & JMDL ["geronimo" ] Re: Two Grey Rooms ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lamadoo\)" ] Joni is a Diva? [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] TNT coverage ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lamadoo\)" ] Re: Joni, Miyake, & JMDL [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni, Miyake, & JMDL [Catherine McKay ] Re: Parody ["Matthew Hall" ] rosie [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: BSN moving on Amazon [Phyliss Ward ] Re: rosie [catman ] Re: Joni, as gay icon [SMEBD@aol.com] RE: Both Sides Now....Lord of the Rings ["Garret" ] RE: Parody ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Both Sides Now....Lord of the Rings [Catherine McKay ] Re: sunset pig - jlc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Tape of Tribute [Catherine McKay ] all this attention [Kate ] Re: all this attention [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni Centrefold [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni on Rosie [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: joni's clothes [jan gyn ] Re: all this attention [Don Rowe ] More on Tribute [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Opener? [Steve Dulson ] Guitar Tab [TanyerSCO@aol.com] Whoops! Try this KINK link [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Opener? [Don Rowe ] Two Days In A Row On Amazon [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Opener? [Mark Domyancich ] Re: joni's clothes [Catherine McKay ] Re: Parody [Catherine McKay ] Re: all this attention [SMEBD@aol.com] Parody ["H.D. Motyl" ] Re: Joni is a Diva? [Catherine McKay ] KINK Tribute Contest [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] RE: Both Sides Now....Lord of the Rings [Catherine McKay ] More on Joni and JMDL ["Kakki" ] RE: sunset pig - jlc [Sally Pont ] Re: Joni on Rosie [Richard Goldman ] Re: Rosie [Richard Goldman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:12:01 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Re: joni as Gay Icon I've just caught onto the tail end of this thread, and the bit about the "two grey rooms" (excuse my english spelling). Hope I haven't missed someone else saying what I'm about to say. 11 I've been living a very nomadic existence lately and NRH has been in the tape player of the car a lot - and particularly that song (can't remember the title now & the tape's still in the car). This is one track I've been playing a lot - one reason being that it's a Joni piano song and I LIKE Joni piano songs (a whiff of heresy here). It's also a quite an untypical Joni song - it's interesting to hear it's an observation song like Edith and the Kingpin, with a distance, but sung from one character's (passive) point of view. I agree with Howard M and Dave C that I can imagine a woman doing this - but not necessarily as a stalker. To me, and before reading the posts to see there are other interpretations around, the song has a wistfulness and longing to it, a feeling not of regret but of revisiting the time when you 're so in love you just want to watch your partner's every move and revel in what they do and the way they move. It still evokes that feeling in me. Funnily enough I'd been thinking about the lyric, and thinking it could only be sung by a woman, and if it were sung (with a few modifications) by a (straight) man, it wouldn't fit. I mainly thought it wouldn't fit because of the way the covert action would be interpreted- probably as creepy and a bit seedy. The possibility of a man-on-man interpretation just hadn't struck me. Perhaps we should all just take it the way we see it - after all, in my book great art should act as a springboard to creative thought, rather than have a set interpretation. The one thing we shouldn't be afraid of is sharing our thoughts. That's enough wittering for now David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:19:17 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: re: Joni as gay icon Before anyone writes to tell me what I'm thinking can I emphasise that what I refer to as "creepy and seedy" in my previous post has NOTHING to do with a man-on-man interpretation of "Two grey rooms". Live and let live. David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:44:27 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's clothes Ranger Rick wrote: << What with all the recent comments about Joni's crinkly clothes it was inevitable that List synchronicity should strike again: I was closing up the park tonight (I'm a park ranger) and getting in and out of the truck to lock gates and buildings up, when I heard the words Issaye Miyake (sp?) over the sound of the diesel engine. I immediately turned off the truck and delayed my rounds to listen to a short bit of a fascinating CBC Radio program on Japanese clothing designers. It seems Joni's favourite designer bases many of his designs on the traditional kimono in that the (partial) intent is to cover the body with fabric that hides the shape of the body (the traditional kimono ideally should conceal the wearer's body in straight perfect lines and folds.) Miyake has added the twist of pleating the garment but not in the western way where the garment pieces are pleated first and then sewn together. Rather the garment is made two or three times larger than the desired end result and pleated after it is sewn together. It also works in different dimensions: Folded, the garment may look like several two-dimensional shapes, circles or ellipses, stacked together; only when the garment is worn does it reveal its true shape and purpose. >> I just want to know if you remembered to lock up the park :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:34:45 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Parody I saw Joni on both Letterman and Rosie and I don't know if it was the TV, or the "Mary Travers cape thingy" but I ended up writing this parody at work last night. I just went (for the first time) to the parody section of the JMDL website and noticed that there were at least three parodies of Both Sides Now, and mine is similar in theme to one by Fred Simon, but I swear I never saw Fred's until after mine was written. So here it is anyway: FULL SIZE NOW Bows and shells and angel hair In Alfredo and Marinara And Fettucine ev'rywhere I've cooked it all that way But now they only ruin the fun They make my thighs feel like a ton So many things I would have done But look how much I weigh I pick my clothes from full size now I was a six, but then somehow It's Hagen-Daz as I recall I really should'nt have ate it all Buttered scones and danish wheels The blissful bloated way you feel As ev'ry snack becomes a meal I've cooked it all that way But now it's just a jellyroll Another dozen more, to go And if they stare, don't let them know Don't tell them what you weigh I buy my clothes in full size now I was an eight, but then somehow It's KFC as I recall I can't believe I ate it all Chips and dips and feeling stout To say "Triple size it" right out loud Fries and pies and dogs with kraut I cooked it all that way But now old friends are acting vague They send me thngs from Jenny Craig They say, "you've lost", but no, I've gained A new pound ev'ry day I wear my clothes in full size now I was a twelve, but then somehow It's Sarah Lee as I recall I really think I've ate it all I pick my clothes in full size now In five more years, I'll be a cow Just like the one that I recall I really think I ate it all gdave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:03:29 +1000 From: "geronimo" Subject: Subject: Re: Joni, Miyake, & JMDL Phyliss wrote: > My memory at the LACE is that her dress was "crinkly" or >maybe more accurately "pleated" and the adorable back >pack matched it perfectly. > I know the dress had wonderful, and very deep pockets. I >absolutely loved that outfit. Does anyone know where you >can buy this Miyake stuff in Southern California and > how expensive it is? I seem to remember reading somewhere that Joni said she didn't think much of the guy of who stocks Issey Miyake in Los Angeles - something about him not having a good eye, and that she mostly buys her pieces when she is overseas. Maybe she did a big shop when she was in London. And yes, Miyake doesn't come cheap, but his work is amazing and perfect for a diva (Phyliss - if you do indulge we expect to see photos!) Nicholas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:07:18 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lamadoo\)" Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms Patrick, Don't be surprised if this track surfaces on my web page! I spent most of Sunday boosting the bass to restore the kick drum and electric bass. It's not a high-end recording by any stretch but until Joni gives us a box set, it'll have to do! Soon you'll be able to hear it when ever you want! Lamadoo Patrick Leader said, in part hey kerry, also, kerry and others, you can hear the original track with wordless vocalizing on a mid-eighties english radio show called 'my top twelve', where the artist picks favorite influences etc. it's an amazing track and it's available on one of the tape trees (4 or 5, i think) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:16:11 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Joni is a Diva? I have been waiting and waiting for someone to remark on JM calling herself a diva yesterday on Rosie. It surprised me to hear that word come from her, especially about herself. While she fits the classic definition, of course, that word is tossed around so freely today to decribe others with far less range of talent or career longevity. (I won't use examples for fear of wild, angry threads, let's just say "I'm Comin' Out" hardly compares to ACOY in depth). Maybe JM is hinting that she wouldn't mind doing VH1's Divas 2001, A Salute to Joni Mitchell? Wishin' and Hopin' and Plannin' and Dreamin' here in Hollywood. No regrets, Coyote Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:34:08 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lamadoo\)" Subject: TNT coverage Jim J. has posted Part I of his coverage of the Joni on TNT Tribute on Wally's web page: www.jonimitchell.com The photos are unaccredited right now but I think Pearl W. took them. Nice going Pearl! All the best, Lamadoo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:07:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni, Miyake, & JMDL Nicholas wrote: >She certainly does seem to have a wardrobe full of > his characteristically > heavily pleated and artfully >crushed pieces. > Any other Miyake > sightings? Kakki, surely you can help me out here? - --- Kakki wrote: > I laughed reading your post because I've also been > wondering for some time > about this "crinkly" thing she has going ;-) "Crinkly" has a lot going for it -- no ironing!!!! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:07:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni, Miyake, & JMDL Nicholas wrote: >She certainly does seem to have a wardrobe full of > his characteristically > heavily pleated and artfully >crushed pieces. > Any other Miyake > sightings? Kakki, surely you can help me out here? - --- Kakki wrote: > I laughed reading your post because I've also been > wondering for some time > about this "crinkly" thing she has going ;-) "Crinkly" has a lot going for it -- no ironing!!!! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:53:59 +0100 From: "Matthew Hall" Subject: Re: Parody that was brill dave, i am literally laughing out loud, much to the disapproval of my sleeping dog Math - ----- Original Message ----- From: gr8fuldave To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 1:34 PM Subject: Parody > I saw Joni on both Letterman and Rosie and I don't know if it was the > TV, or the "Mary Travers cape thingy" but I ended up writing this parody > at work last night. > > I just went (for the first time) to the parody section of the JMDL > website and noticed that there were at least three parodies of Both > Sides Now, and mine is similar in theme to one by Fred Simon, but I > swear I never saw Fred's until after mine was written. So here it is > anyway: > > FULL SIZE NOW > > Bows and shells and angel hair > In Alfredo and Marinara > And Fettucine ev'rywhere > I've cooked it all that way > > But now they only ruin the fun > They make my thighs feel like a ton > So many things I would have done > But look how much I weigh > > I pick my clothes from full size now > I was a six, but then somehow > It's Hagen-Daz as I recall > I really should'nt have ate it all > > Buttered scones and danish wheels > The blissful bloated way you feel > As ev'ry snack becomes a meal > I've cooked it all that way > > But now it's just a jellyroll > Another dozen more, to go > And if they stare, don't let them know > Don't tell them what you weigh > > I buy my clothes in full size now > I was an eight, but then somehow > It's KFC as I recall > I can't believe I ate it all > > Chips and dips and feeling stout > To say "Triple size it" right out loud > Fries and pies and dogs with kraut > I cooked it all that way > > But now old friends are acting vague > They send me thngs from Jenny Craig > They say, "you've lost", but no, I've gained A new pound ev'ry day > > I wear my clothes in full size now > I was a twelve, but then somehow > It's Sarah Lee as I recall > I really think I've ate it all > > I pick my clothes in full size now > In five more years, I'll be a cow > Just like the one that I recall > I really think I ate it all > > > > gdave > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:23:45 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: rosie there were a couple of interesting comments made on the rosie show that stood out to me. one, rosie asked joni about how she chose the songs for bsn. joni started talking about the progression of a relationship and how the songs sort of lead in that sequence of emotions. then they talked about a case of you and joni said that some of the songs were "door mat" songs...( songs that paint the woman out to be a door mat ). then joni said that a case of you was really an "enlightened door mat song" and i thought this was really neat, rosie picked up that right away and said " yea, yea i get that ...like,,,if you want me i'll be in the bar, right? yea, and in the mean time, i'm thining about my home town in canada, right?" it did appear that rosie tracked with joni dead nuts on and there was no invasive questioning or anything like that and that made joni look totally at ease. and for catman, i'll relay this as well. joni said that the standard songs were pretty easy to get together because they are made for singing and any singer can do them. but her songs are not really and i quote her "singer's songs". joni said her songs are more theatrical. they are "wordy", and to sing them involves something other than a good voice. it's more a form of acting, to communicate the emotions of her words to the music. when she sings her songs, for her, it's not a singer's role, but more an actor's role. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:52:14 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: BSN moving on Amazon Wow! That is awesome! Phyliss, who will take credit for making the not too difficult prediction Catherine Turley wrote: > it is great to see that Both Sides Now is currently Amazon's top > selling CD, with sales up 600%. Whoever observed that appearing on > Rosie would boost sales hit that nail on the head. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:56:07 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: rosie > > and for catman, i'll relay this as well. joni said that the standard songs > were pretty easy to get together because they are made for singing and any > singer can do them. but her songs are not really and i quote her "singer's > songs". joni said her songs are more theatrical. they are "wordy", and to > sing them involves something other than a good voice. it's more a form of > acting, to communicate the emotions of her words to the music. when she > sings her songs, for her, it's not a singer's role, but more an actor's role. Okay, so WHO sent her my emails on the subject?! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:55:08 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, as gay icon In a message dated 04/10/2000 6:39:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mikefriedman@pacbell.net writes: << My lover and I (we celebrated three years on April 2, 2000!) met on AOL because of Joni. :-) >> Mike: Congratulations! What a wonderful story and how nice that Joni played a part in you and your lover getting together. I also know a number of gay men who love Joni. Is Joni a gay icon? I think that she is, but not in the same sense as Judy Garland or Streisand. I think that Joni appeals to a very specific group of people--both gay and straight--and that for those who are touched by her artistry, she holds a very special place in their hearts and lives. I think that her gay following is very in tune to the emotions that she writes about. Being a gay icon doesn't mean that she appeals to gays only. Far from that. It simply means, IMHO, that gay men and women identify with some aspect of the artist and hold them in high regard. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:18:44 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: RE: Both Sides Now....Lord of the Rings Ok, even i succumb to the odd typo!! as it happens Joni actually said Lord of hte Rings. right now, though, i am reading Lord of the Flies, and that's probably how i made that mistake! how awful of me for misleading you :-) When are the films due for release?? this year? >"And the whole idea probably came from my > reading Lord Of The Flies. *That* was *a* direct influence."_ GARRET np Patti Smith - Gung Ho ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:51:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Parody oh my god !!!! this one is sooooooooooo good! thanks for the laugh gdave wallyk, rolling around, full size and laughin' > FULL SIZE NOW > > Bows and shells and angel hair > In Alfredo and Marinara > And Fettucine ev'rywhere > I've cooked it all that way > > But now they only ruin the fun > They make my thighs feel like a ton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:03:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Both Sides Now....Lord of the Rings Thanks for the info, Garret. Much of this is news to me too (I heard about the SIQUOMB thing which, on its own, sounded kind of lame to me, I must admit - but then I hate those darned acronyms! However, reading your e-mail makes it a bit clearer. Maybe Joni should actually write this as a book or a series of books. I'm sure she could do it. It sounds as if it could be developed into a CS Lewis/Narnia type of thing - one of those "children's" stories that also speaks to adults. Joni really needs another project, doesn't she! I also have to wonder about the whole business of critics (of all expression) lambasting people for their "young" writings, as if they had been written a year or so ago. I've heard some of Joni's early stuff referred to as "pretentious". I came across some poetry that I had written when I was about 15 and thought IT sounded pretty darned pretentious too - but what do people want from a young child? It's part of the growing process. That was then, this is now. I suspect the kind of people who make those kind of comments about Joni haven't read or heard any of her stuff for at least the last 20 years and are assuming she's the same person she was at 19 or 20 - you know, the "folksinger" ;) - --- Garret wrote: > In my earlier post i had meant to include a passage > from Joni in that Hot > Press interview, but i feared it was getting too > long. I thought this was > fascinating; > _"the first songs that i wrote were not very soul > serching. They were very > *young*. Lines like "nights in the city look pretty > to me". Although i did > write BSN as one of those first ten songs. But > *that* is half naive and > half worldly. Each verse alternates in that way" > Elaborating on the genesis of one of her most famous > songs Joni explains > that its roots also stem, in part, from a fairy tale > that she was writing. > "it was called Mythology and focused on a place > that had two kingdoms. I t > was kind of like childhood Zen. The kingdome of > Fanta and the kingdom of > Real. Fantasy, rality. And BSN came out of that > mythology, from Sequan, > the queen of that mythology. It *was* a childrens > story! And yet people > say it's narcissisticbecause i'm refferring to > myself. But it was the Queen > of the kingdom of Fanta singing. And the whole idea > probably came from my > reading Lord Of The Flies. *That* was *a* direct > influence."_ > > I dont know if that is a well known fact, but it was > new to me. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:08:39 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Pearl's Photo's Hey Pearl! Your photos look great on the website! I can't believe you were so discreet with your camera from the second balcony and they came out so well! Did you have a zoom lens? They are wonderful! Thanks so much for your contribution. After viewing the website today and seeing your photos along with the narrative, I had chills. I can't wait to relive it on Sunday! : ) Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:13:24 -0500 From: "H.D. Motyl" Subject: RE: Two Grey Rooms This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------02026EDCEDA48CC31E237E8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "kerry" wrote: >This list is making me obsessive! I went down and dug out my "Come In From >the Cold" video to refresh my memory of the story Joni tells about writing >Two Grey Rooms. It's really nice, so I thought I'd share it. She said she >had the piano chords and the melody first and when she first sang it, she >was feeling left out and melancholy because she was with a new band and >their "play" and conversation was very male. Then she looked for a story >for 7 years to go with the melody. It was the story of a man who was a gay >german aristocrat who had a lover that he never got over. In his 40's he >found out where the man worked, left his "fancy digs," and took an apartment >for the sole pleasure of watching him walk to and from work every day. No wonder I loved this song from the moment I heard it. Howard M I have a question for you computer savvy listers: is there any way for me to get rid of all that computer gunk at the beginning and end of my messages? - --------------02026EDCEDA48CC31E237E8E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for H.D. Motyl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="howard_scptv.vcf" begin:vcard n:Motyl;Howard tel;fax:312-421-7714 tel;work:312-421-7711 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SCPTV Worldwide adr:;;400 North May Street, Suite 201;Chicago;Illinois;60622; version:2.1 email;internet:howard_scptv@interaccess.com title:Director, Creative Development note;quoted-printable:"Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something for someone coming behind you and you don't,=0D=0Ayou are wasting your time on this earth."=0D=0A Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------02026EDCEDA48CC31E237E8E-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:21:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: sunset pig - jlc - --- patrick leader wrote: > most people think sunset pig means a policeman > working the sunset strip in > l.a. at the end of the '60s, which makes perfect > sense in retrospect. > however, growing up in the bay area, i've always > thought it was a cop in the > sunset district in san francisco, which was right > down the hill from the > haight (haight/ashbury) and was fairly drenched with > hippy culture at > exactly the same time. i guess i'll always think of > it that way... Of course, what everyone fails to realize is that Joni was in Greece at the time. Although she loved it there, "It's a nice place to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there" syndrome (or IANPTVBYWWTLTS) (pronounced Yan--by-Wit-Lits)had well and truly set in. Joni was truly desperate to get back to California, but, having spent all her money on cheap ouzo and omelettes and trying to scrape the beach tar off her feet, lacked the funds to get back. An ancient Greek myth says that if you kiss a pig at sunset while making a wish, that wish will come true. In her desperation, Joni kissed the pig as the sun set over the Grecian isles - the rest is history. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:23:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Tape of Tribute - --- Sue Cameron wrote: > Sorry for my poor memory! > > Someone wrote that they wondered if a tape of the > concert would be available > to order. Questions regarding this should be > directed to: > http://www.tnt-tv.com/asktnt/special_events.html. Thanks, Sue - c'etait moi! I'll let you know what kind of response I get. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:24:46 -0600 From: Kate Subject: all this attention Yesterday as my eleven-year-old son, Emil, and I - barely breathing, and immensely thrilled - watched Joni on Rosie, my husband commented that it seemed strange to him that Joni is getting all this media coverage and rave reviews (like never before, he figures) for an album that is not her own songs. I said it was probably because she has hired a new publicist and is taking a different approach to hyping herself in the media than she has with past albums, but I have been thinking about this and wondering what you guys think. Could it be because the old standards she has covered are simpler songs than her own, as she mentioned on Rosie yesterday, so that they are more palatable to the non-Joni connoisseur? Kate of the North ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:34:45 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: all this attention Kate wrote: > Yesterday as my eleven-year-old son, Emil, and I - barely breathing, and > immensely thrilled - watched Joni on Rosie, my husband commented that it > seemed strange to him that Joni is getting all this media coverage and > rave reviews (like never before, he figures) for an album that is not > her own songs. I said it was probably because she has hired a new > publicist and is taking a different approach to hyping herself in the > media than she has with past albums, but I have been thinking about this > and wondering what you guys think. Could it be because the old standards > she has covered are simpler songs than her own, as she mentioned on > Rosie yesterday, so that they are more palatable to the non-Joni > connoisseur? Actually, Joni has wanted to do this for a long time, but her recording contract limited her to recording only her own compositions. I guess the recording companies felt that was her greatest asset. While true to some extent, Joni was nonetheless bothered by the constraint, like any great artist would be. First chance she had to prove them wrong, she did. Jerry np: Atlanta "98 Both Sides Now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Centrefold - --- James Leahy wrote: > The National Post pulled out all the stops with a > two-page centrefold > piece on the Joni Tribute today. The piece featured > several photos of > the event, including a full-size (20 inches tall!) > pic of JM with her > fists up, in the style of a victorious prize > fighter. ... http://www.nationalpost.com/artslife.asp?f=000410/255031 > > The good news for Canadians in this story is the > line "Thursday's > tribute ... will be broadcast stateside on Sunday > and in Canada later > on." Oh God, please let it be on MuchMore Music and > NOT THE CBC! Thanks for the info, Jim - (today is one day they're NOT handing out free copies of the Post at subway stations as they've been doing a LOT lately, hmm, I wonder why...) I hope you're right about MMM rather than the CBC (who would probably snip it down to one hour and maybe bump it in favour of a hockey game!) At least if it's on MMM, they'll show it more than once so those of us (like me!!) who are technically inept can attempt to tape it every time and perhaps succeed once (and I thought the VCR programming feature was a snap! mine goes nuts if you want to start taping late one day and continue past midnight - or maybe it's me and I really AM that much of a klutz). ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:19:51 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni on Rosie Loved seeing Joni on Rosie yesterday!! I just LOVE to hear our Joan talk! Don't think her charming Canadian accent is anywhere near as pronounced as it was mid-eighties though....during her DED period it seemed particularly heavy to me. And the only thing I wished Rosie wouldn't have said was that BSN puts her to sleep. As for my impression of the show, my overwhelming initial thought was/is is that Joni is going to have to hire a special group of roadies for this tour to mop up the smiley faced puddles of goo that had been JMDLers before the concert. ;-) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:27:57 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: joni's clothes What's cool about Miyake, and most of the other Japanese and Belgian Avante Garde designers, is that their styles work on a wide range of body types, as opposed to say, Versace, which is usually tailored for the archetypal 'model' figure. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: all this attention I think a part of the answer to this question comes from the middle of one of her "the music biz sucks" rants in a recent interview. She said something to the effect of: "Remember this? This was music." Music from a time before money was all important ... when interesting harmony and clever, savvy lyrics were the excpetion and not the rule ... when musicians played instruments instead of programming computers. I personally think Joni's pleased as punch to have, essentially, elected herself the spokesperson for the American songbook. Sure she'll take her critical shots on her performance and including two of her own compositions, but BSN isn't about Joni Mithell, it's about the songs. More power to her, and if her original material gets a commercial jumpstart out of it -- huge, but I think largely unintentional BONUS. Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:54:00 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: More on Tribute Hi guys! Checking out our KINK radio page, I saw that TNT sent one of the KINK guys to the tribute for some addition press coverage. DJ Sean Marten is posting his journal account of the trip....journal account still in progress on the page....he hasn't gotten to the actual tribute portion yet. There is also a link at the bottom of the page with pics. http://www.kink102.com/airstaff/sean/nyjournal1.html Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:58:59 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Opener? Someone asked about an opening act for the Joni tour. I suspect that there will be none. Perhaps for a prelude the orchestra will open with a medley of Joni tunes? ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:02:10 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Guitar Tab Hi everyone! I think I have figured out how to play Ballerina Valerie and thought it might be nice to share the chords with anyone who wants them. Is there a way I can post this on the guitar site? : ) Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:07:01 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Whoops! Try this KINK link http://www.kinkfm102.com/airstaff/sean/nyjournal1.html :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:15:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Opener? - --- Steve Dulson wrote: > Someone asked about an opening act for the Joni > tour. I suspect > that there will be none. Perhaps for a prelude the > orchestra will > open with a medley of Joni tunes? My sources tell me that the opening act will be The Turtle Island String Quartet -- playing chamber music arrangements of Bob Dylan songs ... Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:49:46 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Two Days In A Row On Amazon Great Catherine, as if I weren't already addicted to checking Joni links, now I'm checking Amazon too! ;-) Anyway, Joni's tops two days in a row as their biggest seller. But today, instead of being number 3 in the "Movers and Shakers" catagory, she's number 1 there too! YAY! Penny NP Tribute special commercial on KINK ;-) ;-) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:53:09 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Opener? I had heard Metallica backed by the orchestra. NP-Grateful Dead 9/28/75 At 11:15 AM -0700 4/11/00, Don Rowe wrote: >My sources tell me that the opening act will be The >Turtle Island String Quartet -- playing chamber music >arrangements of Bob Dylan songs ... - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:08:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni's clothes - --- susan+rick wrote: > What with all the recent comments about Joni's > crinkly clothes it was > inevitable that List synchronicity should strike > again: > I was closing up the park tonight (I'm a park > ranger) and getting in and out > of the truck to lock gates and buildings up, when I > heard the words Issaye > Miyake (sp?) over the sound of the diesel engine. [...] > It seems Joni's favourite designer bases many of his > designs on the > traditional kimono in that the (partial) intent is > to cover the body with > fabric that hides the shape of the body (the > traditional kimono ideally > should conceal the wearer's body in straight perfect > lines and folds.) > Miyake has added the twist of pleating the garment > but not in the western > way where the garment pieces are pleated first and > then sewn together. > Rather the garment is made two or three times larger > than the desired end > result and pleated after it is sewn together. It > also works in different > dimensions: Folded, the garment may look like > several two-dimensional > shapes, circles or ellipses, stacked together; only > when the garment is worn > does it reveal its true shape and purpose. > The things you learn while driving a truck! It sounds like origami with cloth - you've got to love the Japanese for this kind of thing - it's holistic, organic, all that stuff, everything makes sense, and it works - and, it's art as well. A year or so ago, I was working with someone whose taste I totally admired (add to that, what a nice person she was!) She wore this kind of cloak/poncho type of thing that I really admired. I told her how much I liked it and she told me she had made it herself - from a pattern by Issey Miyake! (Must oil the sewing machine, sharpen the scissors and get down to Fabricland, because there's no way on my crappy salary I'm going to be able to buy original Miyakes!) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:14:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Parody - --- gr8fuldave wrote: > I saw Joni on both Letterman and Rosie and I don't > know if it was the > TV, or the "Mary Travers cape thingy" but I ended up > writing this parody > at work last night. > ROTFL! My god, you're writing about ME! (Either that, or Homer Simpson1 MMMMMMMMMM dooooooonuts...) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:19:13 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: all this attention In a message dated 04/11/2000 12:27:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, katej@connect.ab.ca writes: << Could it be because the old standards she has covered are simpler songs than her own, as she mentioned on Rosie yesterday, so that they are more palatable to the non-Joni connoisseur? >> Kate: I'm sure that this has something to do with it. A coworker of my lover is not a Joni fan, but he bought the Limited Edition BSN (in part because he loved the packaging and in part because he heard me and my lover rave over the CD) and is recommending it to everyone. He thinks that she nailed the standards. He stated that he never got into Joni because she makes one work/think in order to understand her songs! I think that Joni is pushing this CD more than others in the past because this project is very dear to her--she really wanted to do a CD of standards. I think that she isn't looking at this CD as part of her contract as much as a labor of love. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:25:21 -0500 From: "H.D. Motyl" Subject: Parody This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------8383D530C3A01AA23E61BBF7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gr8fuldave your parody was brilliant I laughed out loud and I'm sending it to friends. Howard M - --------------8383D530C3A01AA23E61BBF7 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for H.D. 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[...] > Maybe JM is hinting that she wouldn't mind > doing VH1's Divas 2001, A > Salute to Joni Mitchell? Wishin' and Hopin' and > Plannin' and Dreamin' here > in Hollywood. When's she going to do a duet with Pavarotti? What the hell - everyone else does... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:27:36 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: KINK Tribute Contest Gotta share this you you guys. I just realized KINK is playing excerpts from Joni's Tribute concert every night this week with some give away items too. Most of them sound fairly small... BSN t-shirts, CD's, posters, etc. But they're also giving away a Martin guitar signed by Joni!!!! Wish me luck.....since I don't have any co-ordination in my left hand, if I won it, it would probably end up belonging it to one of y'all! (proceeds going to Les for JMDL site costs) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:23:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Both Sides Now....Lord of the Rings - --- Garret wrote: > Ok, even i succumb to the odd typo!! as it happens > Joni actually said Lord > of hte Rings. right now, though, i am reading Lord > of the Flies, and that's > probably how i made that mistake! how awful of me > for misleading you :-) > When are the films due for release?? this year? > > >"And the whole idea probably came from my > > reading Lord Of The Flies. *That* was *a* direct > influence."_ If we were to hear Joni singing, "Kill the pig. Make it die," would that be a scary thing? ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:50:28 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Curad Bandages Lori asked: But does any company manufacture bandages for people of color? Does anyone know? YES.......either Curad or Band-Aid or both do make these. When I worked (now i'm a stay-at-home mom.... altho I try not to stay-at-home!!) my partner in crime was a woman of color. I had a stash of bandages in my drawer..........and when she needed one she'd always complain about them not matching her skin. One day I actually found a box of bandages that matched her skin and put one on my finger and kept waving my hands at her until she noticed!! It was the first time she saw these either. You won't find these in the stores if you live in an all-caucasion neighborhood tho. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:52:09 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: joni's clothes >herself - from a pattern by Issey Miyake! (Must oil >the sewing machine, sharpen the scissors and get down >to Fabricland, because there's no way on my crappy >salary I'm going to be able to buy original Miyakes!) >Catherine (in Toronto) >catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca Joni should play accordian when she's wearing pleated Miyake! - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:08:06 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: More on Joni and JMDL In discussing whether Joni knows the JMDL, I left out the most important "proof" of all. By my recall and count, Joni has met around 40 listmembers, both individually and in large representative groups, in Detroit, L.A. and Atlanta in the past couple of years. I can understand if she only met a couple people from the list but upwards of 40 people would be remembered. There might be some wondering as to why she referred to us as her "internet community", which sounds sort of generic, in the recent interview. It may be because that is easier shorthand for the general public to understand rather than making reference to a "discussion list." I've noticed that some other artist discussion lists have distinct nicknames, like the CSN "Lee Shore" and the Neil Young "Rusties". Maybe we should come up with something more memorable that she can refer to, like the "Turbulent Indigos" or something ;-) At any rate, she is about to meet yet another large JMDL group in Saskatoon. I only have one request - that those attending ensure that native son Evian is first in line to meet her. If he can't make it through the crush, I want a posse to drag him to the front of the line and I want photos! ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:45:59 -0400 From: Sally Pont Subject: RE: sunset pig - jlc I have always thought of the "pig" as a cop, but I doubted myself a bit when I read an article about Joni from her Laurel Canyon days. The description of her apartment mentioned an enormous pig--made out of wood or clay or some such--and lo and behold I saw the pig in one of the pictures. It was very large and quite comical looking. I don't think that's the pig from the song, but it's awfully funny that Joni has a pig of her own! Sally - -----Original Message----- From: patrick leader [SMTP:patrickl@bway.net] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 8:27 PM To: Bounced Message; joni@smoe.org Subject: sunset pig - jlc most people think sunset pig means a policeman working the sunset strip in l.a. at the end of the '60s, which makes perfect sense in retrospect. however, growing up in the bay area, i've always thought it was a cop in the sunset district in san francisco, which was right down the hill from the haight (haight/ashbury) and was fairly drenched with hippy culture at exactly the same time. i guess i'll always think of it that way... patrick np - eva cassidy - had i a golden needle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:57:19 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Joni on Rosie >Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:34:48 -0700 >From: Phyliss Ward >Subject: Joni on Rosie!!! > >Unbelievable! I've already watched the video once after watching the >"live" edition and I want to watch it again. I'll make myself wait till >Bob gets home from work and play it for him. After hearing others say >you could tell how much Rosie loves her I was not impressed. I've >watched the show quite a bit and Rosie *always* acts like she loves >*everyone* on the show, but this was major *different.* I wouldn't be >suprised at all if BSN goes way up in the charts as a result of this >show. > >So now I'm thinking I'd like to go to the San Francisco show in addition >to L. A. God, I can't wait for the TNT Special. This is so cool!!! > >Phyliss, on a cloud! Phyliss, if you do decide to come up for it, I do have tickets. Email me. (I bet other people have some too... even better ones I'd guess... but if you do, let me know). - -Richard +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Richard Goldman richard2sf@earthlink.net http://www.home.earthlink.net/~richard2sf/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:16:49 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Rosie >Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 02:36:25 EDT >From: FredNow@aol.com >Subject: Re: Rosie > >Mark Domyancich wrote: > > >>>I don't know if this is mentioned, but who was the clarinetist they > >>>showed a close up of? > >Don't know who that musician was, but he sure sounded great. He was actually >playing soprano saxophone (what Wayne Shorter plays on some of BSN, along >with tenor sax on other cuts), not clarinet. It is a straight horn, slightly >larger than clarinet, so it's easy to confuse. > >- -Fred I was wondering the same thing myself. And.. the trumpet player? was that Mark Isham? I've never seen him, only heard and loved his own music for years. I wonder if any of them will be touring with her... (I've been sort of a lurker on here: just having 'joined' in the past week and have only posted with extra tickets for sale for Concord - how opportunisitic of me, I know... - we still have 'em, and I really *really* want them to go to Joni fans!) Anyway, I so thoroughly love reading all the posts on here, you're all so wonderful, and it's so great to find people who appreciate such a great artist as much as I always have and are so incredibly articulate and informed! and I too was one who was blown away by the Rosie show yesterday. - - Richard +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Richard Goldman richard2sf@earthlink.net http://www.home.earthlink.net/~richard2sf/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #135 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?