From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #133 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Monday, April 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 133 Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund," with all donations going directly into the upkeep of the JoniMitchell.com website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds, and it will now be up to Jim to continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL signs [M.Russell@iaea.org] JC: "Two Grey Rooms" [Kate Tarasenko ] Re: Joni, Miyake, & JMDL [FredNow@aol.com] Setlist ? [Flip Feij ] Eva sang Joni ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Kurt Elling (some Joni) ["Kakki" ] Re: Covers Project Update ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: JC: "Two Grey Rooms" [Jerry Notaro ] Joni and Gordon [Chilihead2@aol.com] STONE TEMPLE PILOTS AND TNT'S JONI TRIBUTE [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: JOni as Gay Icon [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Joni's Charming Accent [Catherine McKay ] Re: Tribute show [Catherine McKay ] Great Joni comments in PERFORMING SONGWRITER (steely Dan Content too) [ma] Vote JONI MITCHELL online [mann@chicagonet.net] JANIS IAN also In Performing Songwriter [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Joni, Miyake, & JMDL [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Joni, Miyake, & JMDL [Phyliss Ward ] I FEEL LEFT OUT! [Bounced Message ] He.lp!! Joni lyric to decipher [Bounced Message ] Re: HOSL [Catherine McKay ] Tribute Review From Sonicnet [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Joni on Rosie [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: I FEEL LEFT OUT! [Jerry Notaro ] HoSL/Hej ["H.D. Motyl" ] Re: He.lp!! Joni lyric to decipher [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: BSN chart debut [Catherine McKay ] Re: JONI picture-of-the-day [Catherine McKay ] mail to the joan [Kate ] JT and River [Steve Dulson ] RE: joni as Gay Icon [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni, Miyake, & JMDL ["Kakki" ] Re: He.lp!! Joni lyric to decipher [Dflahm@aol.com] RE: He.lp!! Joni lyric to decipher ["Wally Kairuz" ] That Mitchell Woman ["Flip Feij" ] Re: Joni's Charming Accent ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: He.lp!! Joni lyric to decipher ["susan+rick" ] Re: Concert Reviews ["Kakki" ] Joni in Hot Press ["Garret" ] Re: JMDL Signs ["Kakki" ] RE: Great Joni comments in PERFORMING SONGWRITER ["H.D. Motyl" wrote: > Hey Marian....Did the cookbook say JMDL on the cover? She > might know it from that... The cookbook cover says: "Sitting On My Groceries" A Collection Of Favorite Recipes From The Joni Mitchell Discussion List Marilyn Urbanski painted the portrait of Joni and Don Rowe designed it. When Kakki was talking with Joni at LACE, Kakki gave her the CDs from the Boston Jonifest. I'm pretty sure that the CD packaging has JMDL on it somewhere. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:27:48 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: JC: "Two Grey Rooms" Before the Kilauren story broke wide, I always imagined that this song was about a male child that Joni had given up, and that she discovered who he was and tracked him down and sort of spied on him for a while before actually approaching him. Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:44:04 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, Miyake, & JMDL "Kakki" wrote: >NP: Kurt Elling - Esperanto (One of the most gorgeous songs I've ever >heard - music by Joni conductor Vince Mendoza and lyrics by Elling) Kakki, you asked about Kurt Elling in another post. Kurt's a friend and musical colleague; we've gigged together and written together and hopefully will do more. When he was getting started I sent his tape to my manager who in turn got him his record deal on Blue Note. He definitely has his own thing going on, and it can be quite beautiful, as it is in the Mendoza piece. On that same record, Live In Chicago, I also very much dig his rendition of My Foolish Heart, with that long, beautiful improvised interlude in the middle. Speaking of Joni's arranger/conductor Vince Mendoza, he's a favorite of mine. I would highly recommend his albums "Start Here" and "Epiphany," the former being his compositions for mixed chamber ensembles with rhythm section, and the latter scored for full orchestra with rhythm section. Peter Erskine is on both, and has also recorded many of Vince's wonderful tunes on his own albums, including the tune Esperança (Portuguese for "hope"), the song upon which Elling's version, Esperanto, is based. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:59:22 +0200 From: Flip Feij Subject: Setlist ? Hi all, The JM Tribute led me in the arms of the JM-Discussionlist (I love Joni since her Big Yellow Taxi-days, but started deepening my knowledge of Richard Thompson as soon as I came on-line, some 4 years ago, by subscribing to the Richard Thompsonlist and I haven't been away there since). I may have missed the complete setlist of the tribute. Is there a kind soul willing + able to forward this via private mail ? People at the RT-List feel proud OH (= Our Hero) seemed to have played such a fine roll at the tribute. We knew he could do it, of course, but performing at a show hosted by Ashley Judd is not Richard's usual cup of coffee. Learn more about RT at my Richard Thompson For Completists Website http://people.zeelandnet.nl/flipfeij/ There's some JM-content too, now. Regards, Flip Feij The Netherlands ******************************** Richard Thompson For Completists Website http://people.zeelandnet.nl/flipfeij/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:11:59 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Eva sang Joni Yesterday I posted the 'All Star Tribute' set list on 'Whispers', a bulletin board on the website of BBC DJ, Bob Harris, mentioning that Richard Thompson had done a last minute version of 'Woodstock'. The following post was from someone at a UK record label saying that they have included a version of 'Woodstock' on the new (posthumous) Eva Cassidy album, which will be released later this month. I was pleased by another small synchronicity - the title track of this album is 'Time After Time', an apparently stunning version of the Cyndi Lauper song. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:12:18 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Kurt Elling (some Joni) Fred! Good Heavens, I hoped you might know him! Wish I would have known this before I saw him last week and chatted with and raved over him after the show. I went knowing nothing about him and then was blown away. Even more so when he started telling the audience between songs about working with Jon Hendricks, Wayne Shorter and his band members working with Vince and all. He also mentioned Peter Erskine as a good buddy. He made a special point of telling everyone that "Vince has just conducted Joni Mitchell's new album" and then I loved it when he paused for the expected small gasp from the audience at the mention of Joni's name (and they all did!) I was just grinning and shaking my head that my new musical find had such a strong Joni connection. And now a close Fred connection, too!! Wow! His My Foolish Heart just puts me over the edge, as does Night Dream (music by Shorter, lyrics by Elling). I had no idea Mendoza wrote such beautiful music - and Elling did tell us the amusing story behind the titling of the Esperanca/Esperanto song. Thanks Fred! Kakki, hoping for case that takes me to Chicago soon! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:29:34 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Covers Project Update Bob wrote: >Here's the latest scoop on the covers "Boxset" - I finally got the last of my >seed songs so I have completed Disc 4, the last one of Volume 2. I've come across another Joni cover - although it may have already been included on one of the other covers projects. I was at a friend's house for dinner on Saturday, and he put Glen Campbell on the stereo. Not normally one of my favourite artists ;o) - but the second track was Both Sides Now, and actually wasn't bad! So I may have another contribution for the next covers project!? Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:26:07 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: JC: "Two Grey Rooms" Kate Tarasenko wrote: > Before the Kilauren story broke wide, I always imagined that this song > was about a male child that Joni had given up, and that she discovered > who he was and tracked him down and sort of spied on him for a while > before actually approaching him. > > Kate in CO The wonderful talent of Joni's is that this is a perfectly valid interpretation. She always explains that her life experiences are the starting point to her lyric and music, but not the final destination. Jerry np: Malcolm Mclaren - Paris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:02:26 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: Joni and Gordon Having just seen Gordon and after having been a fan for many years, I think it's that Gordon writes from a very male perspective. The emotions are kept at bay. Whereas Joni writes with all the colors she can mix. No emotional landscape is left untouched. It's not that men can't do this it's just that few have. - -Chili ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:03:11 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: STONE TEMPLE PILOTS AND TNT'S JONI TRIBUTE From the Rolling Stones site: http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/news/text/newarticle.asp?afl=&NewsID=10571&ArtistID=684&origin=news STONE TEMPLE PILOTS cancelled their Thursday night appearance at the taping for TNT's JONI MITCHELL tribute. SCOTT WEILAND suffered throat problems resulting from the band's show at New York's Irving Plaza the previous night. RICHARD THOMPSON stepped in for STP to play Mitchell's "Woodstock." The special airs April 16. I, too, have loved reading everyone's account of being there! Laura http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/news/text/newsarticle.asp?afl=&NewsID=10440&ArtistID=360&origin=advsearch http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/news/text/weeklyheadlines.asp?afl=&comingfrom=artist&LookUpString=360 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:02:53 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: JOni as Gay Icon In a message dated 4/9/00 3:50:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, howard_scptv@interaccess.com writes: << Hmm. We had a discussion like this about a year ago, I think. But it wasn't about Joni being a gay icon, it was about Joni being a gay *man*. >> as i remember it, we took it one step further and labled joni as a gay black man. pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:18:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's Charming Accent - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I remember Joni saying in a magazine interview, that > she chose that snippet > of tape (Play that weird minor chord) because it > gave the album an > introduction to Sue, Mingus' significant other. > It's not Joni. Joni's on > "I's A Muggin'". There's no mistaking that laugh. > Is "I's a muggin'" part of a real song? I'm just wondering because it reminded me that, when my youngest sister was a baby just learning to talk, she used to call milk "mogi". When she wanted some milk, she'd say "I sa' mogi" (I want some milk). My dad turned that into a song that sounded suspisciously like "I's a-muggin'" - it never occurred to me until years later that he may not actually have made that song up! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:20:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Tribute show - --- Mike Friedman wrote: > It's scheduled for two hours, so the full thing > should end up. Frankly, they > can cut Hillary Clinton, first! > As if!! For those of us outside the US, maybe it's premature, but do you suppose they might make this show available on video? Is there anyone who might be prevailed upon to make this happen? ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:39:49 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Great Joni comments in PERFORMING SONGWRITER (steely Dan Content too) PERFORMING SONGWRITER magazine March/April 2000 under the article "A Century of Woman in Music" by Lydia Hutchinson. "No doubt on of the most respected singer-songwriters in music's history, Mitchell has been uncompromising in her darling and innovative approach to her craft from the very beginning. Her music defies categorization, and her influence can be seen in most of today's female performing songwriters. Her accomplishments are so substantial and her impact on the music world so great, that there's no way to even begin to do it justice in this measly little paragraph. Songwriting would not be what it is today without Joni Mitchell" http://www.performingsongwriter.com/pages/new44/women44.html Also, in the middle of this magazine is a 8x10 tear-out page to vote for your 10 choices (and why) for "A Century of Women in Music" Joni is pictured among some others. You can vote online at: www.performingsongwriter.com Nice to see, a picture of Joni in an advertisement, in the is same magazine, for ASCAP. Some pics. of Joni from their site: http://www.ascap.com/membership/pop99-4.html With Stevie Wonder: http://www.ascap.com/playback/1999/september/popawards.html With Stevie Wonder & Janet Jackson http://www.ascap.com/playback/1999/september/popawardsphotos.html ***STEELY DAN FANS: This magazine's cover has picture of Steely Dan. "Exclusive Interview with Walter Becker and Donald Fagen together". There is an ELEVEN page interview inside with lots of pictures!! There's also a one page interview with Diana Krall and a five page article on Los Lobos. Great issue! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:47:02 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Vote JONI MITCHELL online Go to: http://www.performingsongwriter.com/ and vote for Joni for WOMAN OF THE CENTURY IN MUSIC PICKS. "Who Are Your Choices For “A Century of Women In Music?” This year we are paying tribute to women who have affected change in the music industry over this last century. Each issue of 2000 will have our different editors' top choices, but we really want to know who our readers feel have made the greatest impact on the industry. Please take a few minutes and send in your choices of women in the industry. We’ll gather all of the votes and print our Readers’ Choices for A Century of Women in Music in the January/ February 2001 issue of Performing Songwriter magazine." You can name up to 10 different woman along with your reasons why you've picked them. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:58:47 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: JANIS IAN also In Performing Songwriter OOPS! Forgot to mention this.......for all you Janis Ian followers. This same issue of Performing Songwriter has a six page article written by Janis Ian. (go to: http://www.performingsongwriter.com/pages/framewom.html for a picture of the cover) Under: RISKY BUSINESS Truth & Truthfulness Part I Janis Ian "delves into the ways that truth can move listeners, and how to stay true to the intent of the song versus its literal meaning." FYI: Found this magazine at Tower Records. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:33:39 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni, Miyake, & JMDL I wondered whether that was the same outfit from stormy weather. It certainly is similar. My memory at the LACE is that her dress was "crinkly" or maybe more accurately "pleated" and the adorable back pack matched it perfectly. I know the dress had wonderful, and very deep pockets. I absolutely loved that outfit. Does anyone know where you can buy this Miyake stuff in Southern California and how expensive it is? Phyliss, feeling an unauthorized shopping spree coming on... Kakki wrote: > I laughed reading your post because I've also been wondering for some time > about this "crinkly" thing she has going ;-) I recall she wore a blue-ish > crinkly dress to the Stormy Weather concert similar to the Tribute dress. > She wore another crinkly blueish-turquoise outfit to the ASCAP awards. She > is wearing a greyish green crinkly in the hand on knee painting from TTT and > a white crinkly in the French Kiss painting from BSN. I really cracked up > when I saw her at LACE wearing no crinkly clothing but wearing a crinkly > black silk back pack! > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:33:39 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni, Miyake, & JMDL I wondered whether that was the same outfit from stormy weather. It certainly is similar. My memory at the LACE is that her dress was "crinkly" or maybe more accurately "pleated" and the adorable back pack matched it perfectly. I know the dress had wonderful, and very deep pockets. I absolutely loved that outfit. Does anyone know where you can buy this Miyake stuff in Southern California and how expensive it is? Phyliss, feeling an unauthorized shopping spree coming on... Kakki wrote: > I laughed reading your post because I've also been wondering for some time > about this "crinkly" thing she has going ;-) I recall she wore a blue-ish > crinkly dress to the Stormy Weather concert similar to the Tribute dress. > She wore another crinkly blueish-turquoise outfit to the ASCAP awards. She > is wearing a greyish green crinkly in the hand on knee painting from TTT and > a white crinkly in the French Kiss painting from BSN. I really cracked up > when I saw her at LACE wearing no crinkly clothing but wearing a crinkly > black silk back pack! > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:01:23 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: I FEEL LEFT OUT! From: "allan" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:14:33 +0200 Ijust want to sat that all you Americans areSO lucky living where you live cause=B4 i feel so left out here in Barcelona Spain! I must say though its delicious to read your reviews on the JONI con certs and TRIBUTE concert last week but " oh mymy " how i would love to see her or buy up to date magazines mentioning Joni, i used to be so in touch.Anyway to my surprise , they showed a piece of the tribute concert on Spanish national TV !! Npw thats a first!! Well i just wanted to say thanx to all of you who love and admire Joni like me and a bigger thanx for your stories ..ALLAN, MILES OF ISLES AWAY! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:05:07 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: He.lp!! Joni lyric to decipher From: Louis Lynch Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 06:25:48 -0700 Hi all, Yesterday, I saw a California license plate, rather rare up here in Pennsylvania. It spurred me to sing the Joni song, "California." (I've been inspired to sing Joni songs by much less, of course.) When I came to the line, "I'll even kiss a sunset pig," my 10-year-old daughter chuckled and chuckled. She wanted to know what kissing a sunset pig meant. After loving the song for decades, I hate to admit I don't really know. Can someone explain what the phrase means? I need to know -- when Annie grows to be a teenager, how am I ever going to be able to say the music she listens to doesn't make as much sense as music from my generation? If I don't find out, I'll never be able to say "In my day, music MEANT something, young lady!" If anyone can explain, please e-mail me directly (I'm on digest now) -- my kid's making fun of me here -- this is serious! Thanks and regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:07:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: HOSL - --- Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > Howard, I know that many people share your opinion > of THE HISSING OF SUMMER > LAWNS; I certainly do. Howard, I loved that whole post! That killed me - you asked the same questions I'm always asking myself- you relize there are no answers to these questions, at least no answers that bear thinking about! You must accept the fact that the vast majority of humanoids out there who are buying records just aren't in OUR league! They're buying the top 40 stuff. 'Scuse me for responding to David's, rather than to yours, however David raises some very true points in his... > I think we all understand that a work of such > subtlety, such uncompromising > originality will probably find favor with a small > proportion of the consumer > population. > I feel that Joni Mitchell, beyond subtlety, beyond > originality, has also been > prolific, extremely determined and ever-evolving. > She has lived and worked > as if she believed in herself and her work. That > belief has been valid. As a > result, she is a productive, wealthy woman who has > not surrendered her right > to be ambitious and proud. > > She could not be anyone but who she is and while I > happily acknowledge, as > you do, all I have gained from being connected to > her music, I don't worry > too much that her career/image/reputation--call it > what you will---has not > duplicated that of Dylan, or any other artist. > > She is arguably the greatest songwriter in the > English language for the > second half of the 20th Century; for me she IS that > and by a very wide margin. The fact that, while she may not be appreciated all that much by the masses, she IS appreciated and frequently spoken of with reverence as being an influence on other musicians (some of whom you would never suspect of being Joni fans), speaks volumes. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:08:55 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Tribute Review From Sonicnet Did the writer of this come out of Jimdle hiding this past weekend? ;-) http://www.sonicnet.com/news/archive/story.jhtml?id=820699&pid=758913 PS Who besides Emily doesn't have net access? It's just as easy for me to send the transcript to each of y'all at once......Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:08:58 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Joni on Rosie WHAT A WONDERFUL SHOW!!!! I'm so glad that Rosie gave Joni so much air time. Joni looked beautiful, her singing was in top form, the orchestra was great, and you could tell that Rosie is a big Joni fan. Watching this made me even more excited about seeing her perform in May! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:09:18 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: I FEEL LEFT OUT! Bounced Message wrote: > From: "allan" > Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:14:33 +0200 > > Ijust want to sat that all you Americans areSO lucky living where you > live cause=B4 i feel so left out here in Barcelona Spain! Ah. But living in one of the most beautiful cities in the world must make up for some. Jerry np: June Tabor - Angel Tiger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:21:43 -0500 From: "H.D. Motyl" Subject: HoSL/Hej This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------7E4F77F47FB37ECF005FD010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Don't get me wrong--I love HOSL, but Hejira, by far, is I think JM's best and my favorite. Don't get me started on why this album isn't recognized as one of the greatest rock/pop albums of all time. 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After loving the song for decades, I hate to admit I don't really know. >> I'm probably dead wrong as I am with most lyrics, but I always thought she was talking about kissing a policeman on Sunset Blvd. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:32:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: BSN chart debut - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Michael writes: > > << From another list, this info on BSN's first-week > sales and some trivia: > > Joni Mitchell's cover album "Both Sides Now" sells > over 18,000 copies to > debut at #89. >> > > I have the BSN LE, but I still want to purchase the > regular release. I try > to buy my cd's thru CD NOW so some of the proceeds > will go to Wally's > website, but I'm wondering if I should buy it at one > of the local record > chains to boost the charts. It seems like there was > a discussion on the list > when TTT was released. Isn't Billboard's top 100 > based on sales at the > record stores and not thru online services or > K-Marts? If this is true, and I remember reading this here somewhere myself some time ago, - but why? It doesn't make sense. A sale is a sale. Does this mean Billboard is a pawn of "the record stores" - BTW, which stores would this include? Only the big-box chains? Does it include only sales in the US, or worldwide? ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:48:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JONI picture-of-the-day - --- Penny wrote: > > This link, that Randy Remote posted yesterday, just > worked for me a minute > ago. Can someone scan this thing so it's not lost > in time. (I can't scan) > Penny > > http://www.canoe.ca/Apr7/jam.jpg > > __________________________________________________ It has taken me quite a long time to figure this stuff out but, because chances are, no one is going to tell you this stuff - you'll just have to muddle through it like the rest of us computer-semi-literate goods. If you're going to the basic website, as it was first provided, you would see whatever the picture of the day was/is *for the day you go there*. The one that includes the date on it would bring you to the *right* one no matter what today's date might be, because it included the date for which the picture *was* picture of the day. Just going to the website in general would bring up the *right* picture if you went there on that date (April 7). (I went there this morning and got "The Cure". However, clicking the URL with the date on it brought me to Joni and Cyndi.) A lot of these sites also have archives and you can access the pictures (or articles as the case may be), but you have to know HOW to look for this stuff, and where to go, and hope the webmaster on that site uses a good and logical "search" function to help you get there without any major hassles, otherwise your search will be frustrating and fruitless. These are all things I've learned from experience - many's the time I've clicked on a URL and ended up with an error message which often means they've either moved or removed the page from their website. If anyone who is more web-savvy can explain this better, please do! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:04:22 -0600 From: Kate Subject: mail to the joan Mr. Chilihead, What a good idea to hand deliver some mail from us to Joni. I'd love to participate. How shall I go about it? Back in '85 or '86, when I was working up in Flin Flon, Manitoba, I heard that Joni felt she was getting no appreciation or recognition and was considering quitting the music business because of it. I also heard that she was quite ill (this would have been the throat thing she suffered). I was so distressed that she might actually feel unappreciated -- when her music meant so much to me! - that I sat right down and wrote her a long letter making sure she knew she had had an impact that was ongoing and longterm and deeply felt. I never did receive acknowledgement of that letter and consequently always wondered if she ever received it. Have any of you written letters to our Joan, and if so, was there a response? Kate of the North, where today we have sunny blue sky, and hoarfrost on the trees, and fresh-fallen, sparkly snow on the ground ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:06:18 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: JT and River Oops! Deleted the author of: >And listening to James Taylor sing River accompanied only by his guitar >was also very moving. Didn't Joni write River about her breakup with >him? It's interesting to see things go full circle like that. River has been in JT's repertoire for a while. He performed it 12/8/75 at the Loyola Marymount benefit that Joni was supposed to perform at, but skipped to do the Rolling Thunder tour. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:09:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: joni as Gay Icon - --- patrick leader wrote: > > on the other hand, two grey rooms is specifically > about a man-to-man > situation; joni has said so proudly in interviews > (she's proud of being able > to write from a totally unfamiliar viewpoint) it's > inspired by a fassbinder > movie (or story?). and it's hard to imagine it any > other way. can you > imagine a woman renting a little apartment just to > watch an ex-lover walk by > every day? in my experience, women are more > pragmatic than that; they have > to be. Not necessarily - women can be obsessive too. "Two grey rooms" reminds me of the Coke commercial where a bunch of women working in an office gather around the office window at a certain time each day to see a certain hunky construction worker take his shirt off. Pretty prosaic and I'm not sure it's what Joni intended, but there you go! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:09:05 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni, Miyake, & JMDL Phyliss wrote: > My memory at the LACE is that her dress was "crinkly" or >maybe more accurately "pleated" and the adorable back >pack matched it perfectly. Yes, pleated is the more accurate word. I call it "crinkly" because the fabric seems so soft and crushable. Didn't think the dress matched though - maybe it's time for my eye check-up again ;-) The long silkish scarf she wore at LACE looks like the same as the one she wore with the white dress on Letterman. > I know the dress had wonderful, and very deep pockets. I >absolutely loved that outfit. Does anyone know where you >can buy this Miyake stuff in Southern California and > how expensive it is? I would guess there is a shop Beverly Hills and I would guess very expen$ive. I kind of get the feeling she must have these outfits made special for her. Kakki, wishing she had "deep pockets", too ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:22:28 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: He.lp!! Joni lyric to decipher I can't imagine any interpretation too far from yours; you are right on IMO. LAHM (age: 59) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:27:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: He.lp!! Joni lyric to decipher sunset pig as in sunset boulevard cop, maybe? wallyk > > If anyone can explain, please e-mail me directly (I'm on digest now) -- my > kid's making fun of me here -- this is serious! > > Thanks and regards, > > Harper Lou > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:45:29 EDT From: EVRIBUTJON@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #180 Hi, I don't post too often but I am a daily reader and enjoy everyone's thoughts on Joni. I saw the Rosie O'Donnell Show today and was compelled to write. Was Joni not wonderful? Awe-inspiring in performance and so engaging in conversation. I have second row seats for the E-center in Camden and cannot wait! (I met Brian Gross there the day tickets were on sale, Hi, Brian!!! (I was the guy you dubbed a lurker). Anyway, I thought Joni looked and sounded GREAT and seemed happy. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:37:30 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: concert reviews Kakki sugested: >Maybe the solution would be just to post >reviews to the jonimitchell.com site or >maybe a section of the JMDL site that Les >sets up and then people who are >interested in reading about the concerts >can bypass reading the list to hear about >them. Count me among those who want to see the reviews here on the list, ASAP. This is one of the, if not the, primary functions of a music mailing list devoted to a touring artist! Hello? Don't want to see them? Delete or close your eyes and scroll. Spoiler warnings are a good idea but that is as far as I'd go. The JMDL is a place where one can post about movies, art, gay issues, etc. but don't post concert reviews of the subject of the list? C'mon, that's is the very best thing about such a list and there is far too little of it here due to her very limited touring. Join the list of a constantly touring artist and show reviews and setlists make up 75% of the posts. Bring 'em on, I say. Besides, unless I miss my guess, it will be more or less exactly the same setlist everynight. She is using different orchestras on each stop, so they will be learning and practicing the tunes well in advance of each show, if they're not indeed already doing so. If anyone knows an orchestra member you could probably get the complete setlist before the tour even starts. gdave NP: 4/10/99 Bruce Hornsby FM Kirby Center, Wilkes-Barre, PA - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:43:18 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: concert reviews gr8fuldave wrote: > > > Count me among those who want to see the reviews here on the list, ASAP. > This is one of the, if not the, primary functions of a music mailing > list devoted to a touring artist! Hello? I want every detail, not just the set list. One similar to Phyliss' would be great. Maybe she can follow the whole tour and give daily updates! Jerry np: Tim Buckley - Dream Letter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:59:44 +0200 From: "Flip Feij" Subject: That Mitchell Woman Sorry for intruding this list for the second time in 24 hrs, but I thought I had to contribute something of interest for you too. I had it sent to the Richard Thompson list too. You may delete when you're happy to be on both lists like Flip- > > Hi all, > > Some time ago I was wondering about early Fairport Convention-Richard > Thompson-Joni Mitchell > relations. In the Dutch "Man On The Edge" tv documentary a fan catches RT > during a walk > around Royal Festival Hall in London reminding him of a sixties FC-gig with > Joni Mitchell opening. > > While Richard must be on his way to Hawai by know ;-) > I asked RT's FC-buddy Simon Nicol > if he had any sweet memory to bring up on this issue. > > Less than two hours ago he came up with this (subject line courtesy SN) > (I'll add the lastest Nicol-joke as a bonus, sorry girls ) : > > > "AS I RECALL IT " .......... Joni made her first trip to London around the > same time we got signed to Joe Boyd, entrepreneur of this parish. Maybe I'm > wrong about it being her first - her earliest songs make reference to Paris, > for instance. Anyway, as tiny children possessed of guitars and no sense of > responsibility in equal measure, we were introduced to the lady in question > in the winter of 67/68 at Joe's flat in Westbourne Grove, Paddington. We > needed songs for our forthcoming album: she had a portfolio of magic. > Richard, Ashley and I were stricken by the confidence, maturity, talent, > poise, voice, tunings, style, beauty, etc. She actually gave us the time to > sit in a room and sing us Both Sides Now, Morning Morgantown, Chelsea > Morning, the whole schmeer in the (somewhat misplaced) hope that we > catapault > her to stardom. > The degree or extent of her "friendship" with Joe was never made clear: but > it is thought he can be spotted in some of her more autobiographical > songs.... > She certainly did "support" us at the RFH in London, and we remained in > touch > long enough for Richard and I to be entertained to Tea at her beautiful > house > in Laurel Canyon not long after she signed the ground-breaking publishing > deal for $7,000,000 with A&M, but sadly the ties have weakened and I no > longer get a Christmas Card. > Peggy is particularly sad about this. > > > (...) > > PS > The other day a friend in the medical industry told me of a drug that Glaxo > has under development. This drug sounds so promising that I want to suggest > to my friends that they consider buying stock in the company. > The drug is called "Gingko Viagra," and its function is to help you remember > what the fuck you are doing. > > > Regards, > Flip- > Richard Thompson For Completists Website http://people.zeelandnet.nl/flipfeij/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:23:59 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Joni's Charming Accent From what I gather it's a song writen by Stuff Smith for a movie. If you would like to hear a small portion of this song go to CDNow.com and enter Stuff Smith under artist search. Take the album "1936-1939" and it's the first song. You will need Real Audio! Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > I remember Joni saying in a magazine interview, that > > she chose that snippet > > of tape (Play that weird minor chord) because it > > gave the album an > > introduction to Sue, Mingus' significant other. > > It's not Joni. Joni's on > > "I's A Muggin'". There's no mistaking that laugh. > > > > Is "I's a muggin'" part of a real song? I'm just > wondering because it reminded me that, when my > youngest sister was a baby just learning to talk, she > used to call milk "mogi". When she wanted some milk, > she'd say "I sa' mogi" (I want some milk). My dad > turned that into a song that sounded suspisciously > like "I's a-muggin'" - it never occurred to me until > years later that he may not actually have made that > song up! > > ===== > Catherine (in Toronto) > catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:40:02 -0700 From: "susan+rick" Subject: Re: He.lp!! Joni lyric to decipher Hey Lou It's embarrassing to admit but back in the sixties police were commonly called pigs by kids who called themselves hippies. I was never that comfortable with it (and I didn't call myself a hippie) but I did use it on occasion. Without a doubt Joni is talking from the perspective of someone who will be so happy to get home that she would even kiss one of the cops on the beat on Sunset Strip, who were known for their dislike of hippie types. By the way, several police departments adopted this slur into a slogan designed to boost morale: P.I.G.S.= Pride Integrity Guts and Service Rick > If anyone can explain, please e-mail me directly (I'm on digest now) -- my > kid's making fun of me here -- this is serious! > > Thanks and regards, > > Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:58:05 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Concert Reviews gr8fuldave wrote: > Count me among those who want to see the reviews here on >the list, ASAP. This is one of the, if not the, primary >functions of a music mailing list devoted to a touring artist! >Hello? It certainly is considered an important function and is done routinely on all the other music discussions lists out there. But the JMDL can be idiosyncratic, and I wanted to avoid future upsets by suggesting another solution. However, after thinking about it some more, I realized there is no way to control the list completely to avoid seeing concert reviews and setlists on it. Even if those of us who see the concert before the others label our posts or post them only on the websites, there are still going to be newbies who come on innocently and post their reviews without warnings - (this has occurred here everytime there has been a Joni live performance). Also, people are going to be posting press reviews of the shows on the list, which are certain to give away set lists and surprises. I think we are just going to have to live with having the reviews on the discussion list. However, I WILL, and I'm sure the others who see the first show, will, post spoiler warnings on their posts. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:15:12 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Joni in Hot Press The April 12th copy of Hot Press magazine (hte one with Moby on the cover) features the first of a two part interview with Joni spread over two (big) pages. The article seems, for a large part, to be written from the "Joni as a singer-songwriter" point of view. In fact the headline reads "Confessions of a Songwriter". The author, Joe JAckson, credits Joni with being "a pioneer in the field of confessional singer-songwriting". The article deals with both the personal and professional sides of JM. She discusses everything from how it was Bob Dylans songs that taught her music could be a medium in which to speak your mind, to her experiences with polio, to her esrly love for rock n' roll and dancing. She talks at length (well, relative length) about Rachmaninoff and Nietzche. This leads into her opinion regarding religous hypocrisy .ANd we get an extended interpretation of "acid, booze and ass/needles, guns and grass". The interviewer takes a grat interest in the fact that Blue is an album of candid honesty and emotional openness. Joni attempts to explain where she was coming from wiht that album, her mindset and reactions to people. Also, she speaks about her daughter. The article closes by telling us that Joni has never recorded"an album quite as raw or revealing again" Ok, so some people may know all this already, but for me it was revealing. The most memorable part of the interveiw for me was Joni discussing her early songwriting, and how Both Sides Now came about. On another topic altogether, i have to admit to being one of Oprah's fans. I don't know why, because much as i like her, i find her "self-imporvement" buzzes rather irritating, and then there those equally as annoying "soul/angel" shows. I consider her a great personality, and a very good talent. SHe has a gift to speak to people. For me, the acting is most impressive. Due to Oprahs film Beloved i was introduced to the writing of Toni Morrison, a lady who is truly one of the modern literary worlds most valuable treasures. GARRET NP-Fiona Apple, pale september (live) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:07:07 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JMDL Signs Marian wrote: > The cookbook cover says: > > "Sitting On My Groceries" > A Collection Of Favorite Recipes From The Joni Mitchell >Discussion List; Marilyn Urbanski painted the portrait of Joni >and Don Rowe designed it. When Kakki was talking with >Joni at LACE, Kakki gave her the CDs from the Boston >Jonifest. I'm pretty sure that the CD packaging has JMDL on >it somewhere. Marian, I think your birthday message that accompanied the cookbook also specified it was from the "Joni Mitchell Discussion List." I will add that Les had a four hour lunch with Joni back in 1997, during which they discussed the JMDL and the posts. Les wrote a report of this meeting and it is in the articles section of the JMDL website. Also, when I was at LACE, I initially was just going to give the Jonifest CDs to her friend Shel to give to her, but he insisted I give it to her and made sure I got to see her. When I said I was from the "discussion list", he immediately asked if I was a friend of Les. When I gave her the Jonifest CDs, she immediately made the connection between us and the cookbook, without my mentioning it. When I told her that the performances were good on the CDs she said emphatically "YES, I know they are good!" She know that and remembers that from the Tribute Tape that the JMDL members made and sent to her back in 1997. Based upon all these indicators, my deductive reasoning therefore concludes that she does know us ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:22:39 -0500 From: "H.D. Motyl" Subject: RE: Great Joni comments in PERFORMING SONGWRITER This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------0E9F35D9F809107F11D492D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: mann@chicagonet.net > > PERFORMING SONGWRITER magazine > March/April 2000 under the article "A > Century of Woman in Music" by Lydia > Hutchinson. > > "No doubt on of the most respected singer-songwriters > in music's history, Mitchell has been uncompromising > in her darling and innovative approach to her craft from > the very beginning. Her music defies categorization, > and her influence can be seen in most of today's female > performing songwriters. Her accomplishments are so > substantial and her impact on the music world so great, > that there's no way to even begin to do it justice in this > measly little paragraph. Songwriting would not be what > it is today without Joni Mitchell" > http://www.performingsongwriter.com/pages/new44/women44.html > How wierd that this should be published just when we were talking about this . . . oh this strange and wonderful universe. Howard M NP: All Things Considered (and waiting to hear the story about the recording of Billie Holliday's "Fine and Mellow" - --------------0E9F35D9F809107F11D492D3 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for H.D. 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Joni looked beautiful, her singing was in top form, the orchestra was great, and you could tell that Rosie is a big Joni fan. Watching this made me even more excited about seeing her perform in May! Jimmy >> Oh I agree!!! She looked radiant!!! When she started singing Both Sides Now I started to tear up. I was also thrilled that she had part of an orchestra with her. I woke up at 10:15 and having forgotten to program the VCR I ran downstairs in a dash. I was so happy I did not miss it like I did with Letterman. I am so happy I am seeing her twice. Catgirl ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #133 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?