From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #132 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Monday, April 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 132 Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund," with all donations going directly into the upkeep of the JoniMitchell.com website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds, and it will now be up to Jim to continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- HOSL ["H.D. Motyl" ] JOni as Gay Icon ["H.D. Motyl" ] Voices at Mendel Gallery, Saskatoon [Robert Holliston ] Re: Joni Concert Reviews ["Kakki" ] Joni's wonderful wardrobe ["geronimo" ] Joni In MD...coming from GA...anyone interesetd? [Matt Jones ] Re: Some new Joni finds [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: HOSL ["H.D. Motyl" ] Getting your notes to Joni and the CT Show--tix still available [Chilihe] Re: BSN chart debut [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: pat's guitar update - FINALLY! ["P. Henry" ] Re: Another "me too" re Joni/Cyndi pic [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] Re: BSN chart debut [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: RE[2]: JONI picture-of-the-day [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: JONI picture-of-the-day [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: JONI picture-of-the-day [Penny ] Re: JMDL signs [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: HOSL [catman ] Re: Letterman Loves Joni ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: JONI picture-of-the-day [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Re: JOni as Gay Icon [catman ] Re: Joni RealAudio Clip That Failed [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: HOSL [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Some new Joni finds (VLJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: HOSL [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JONI picture-of-the-day [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE[3]: JONI picture-of-the-day [RAVEN@igc.org] RE: JONI picture-of-the-day [AsharaJM@aol.com] Joni POTD - anyone else? [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni POTD - anyone else? [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: HOSL ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: HOSL (md) [Dflahm@aol.com] JMDL signs [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: JMDL signs [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: joni as Gay Icon ["patrick leader" ] Re: JONI picture-of-the-day [Les Irvin ] Joni in Who weekly [Bounced Message ] Re: joni as Gay Icon [Guitarpoint@aol.com] Re: HOSL [Dave Gertler ] Joni on the radio IN ENGLAND !!!!! ["Hejira" ] Re: HOSL [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: HOSL [Dave Gertler ] Re: JMDL signs [Phyliss Ward ] Re: joni as Gay Icon ["H.D. Motyl" ] Re: Joni, Miyake, & JMDL ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 02:29:09 -0500 From: "H.D. Motyl" Subject: HOSL This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------D5EAD63D13633C92700F6B68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wanted to listen to TI today but I left it over a friend's house and keep forgetting to get it back. I actually panicked when I first discovered it was missing from the JM section of the CD rack. I searched the entire rack, and then racked my brain: where did I have it last, did I take it to work--oh no, I changed jobs, did I leave at the old job. The biggest problem is that it is the cardboard version, not the jewel case, and I can't lose that--in my mind, it is more valuable than the jewel case. But I know that if I take to the used CD store, it ain't gonna get me anything more. But anyway, I put HOSL on--partially becuz I love, love, love "In France They Kiss on Main Street" (with his head full of poolhall pictures and songs from the hit parade) and the title tune (and on every metal thorn, just a little blood of his own) but man, oh man, how good is this entire album? When it first came out, I loved it and I couldn't understand why it was getting such bad press. Lyrically, it is amazing. And musically, I will say that it is amazing--although I am no musician, but, honey, I know what I like. (Don't get me started about the English Patient. Mmm.) Edith and the Kingpin continues to slay me. There is that slight change when Edith, in his bed, the planes in the rain are humming, that wires in the wall are humming, that is so beautiful. And the lyrics--the passed over girls are conferring . . . all claws, for now, withdrawn, one by one they bring his renegade stories to her-- It is really a wonder that she doesn't get more recognition, more hardcore recognition for the lyrics (and the music.) I have to say, I don't get Dylan, I didn't way back when, I don't now. He doesn't hold a candle to her. And all I can think here is that he is a white boy and she is a girl and so, she just sings about love and boys and all that girl stuff, so she's not as important. Truffaut once said: Love is more important than social questions, it is the way to lead people to the truth. Why is it okay for a boy to write about love--but it can be dismissed when a woman writes about it. And with all the amazing songs she has written, why is it that Big Yellow Taxi is the one people always talk about. I like it, but please--no regrets, Coyote, I just come from a different set of circumstance--I know, I know, it wasn't a hit. And why isn't Hejira considered one of the best rock/pop albums ever made? And now, I have to ask. Is this the most rambling post ever? Let me know if it makes sense. Guess I should sleep. Howard M NP: Shadows and Light "Compelled by prescribed standards or some ideals, we fight for wrong or right" - --------------D5EAD63D13633C92700F6B68 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for H.D. Motyl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="howard_scptv.vcf" begin:vcard n:Motyl;Howard tel;fax:312-421-7714 tel;work:312-421-7711 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SCPTV Worldwide adr:;;400 North May Street, Suite 201;Chicago;Illinois;60622; version:2.1 email;internet:howard_scptv@interaccess.com title:Director, Creative Development note;quoted-printable:"Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something for someone coming behind you and you don't,=0D=0Ayou are wasting your time on this earth."=0D=0A Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------D5EAD63D13633C92700F6B68-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 02:50:55 -0500 From: "H.D. Motyl" Subject: JOni as Gay Icon This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------37764D54961A3AB65602EB76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm. We had a discussion like this about a year ago, I think. But it wasn't about Joni being a gay icon, it was about Joni being a gay *man*. If I remember it all correctly, it began with imagining "Last Time I saw Richard" being sung by a man--and it all works as a man to man love thang. (If you'd like, I can reprise this reading. Down to "with all the house lights left up bright") But I think we can also imagine a man singing "Two Grey Rooms" and it would fit beautifully into the man to man love lust. (on hot days, your shirt's undone . . .) There were other songs pointed out, too, (by Colin, I think). And, I believe, we gay men were very happy to accept Joni as a gay man. Howard M NP: Shades of Scarlett Conquering (She Covers her eyes in the x-rated scenes . . . with her impossibly gentle hands, and blood red fingernails . . . a woman must have everything) - --------------37764D54961A3AB65602EB76 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for H.D. Motyl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="howard_scptv.vcf" begin:vcard n:Motyl;Howard tel;fax:312-421-7714 tel;work:312-421-7711 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SCPTV Worldwide adr:;;400 North May Street, Suite 201;Chicago;Illinois;60622; version:2.1 email;internet:howard_scptv@interaccess.com title:Director, Creative Development note;quoted-printable:"Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something for someone coming behind you and you don't,=0D=0Ayou are wasting your time on this earth."=0D=0A Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------37764D54961A3AB65602EB76-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 01:01:24 -0700 From: Robert Holliston Subject: Voices at Mendel Gallery, Saskatoon Hi, As you all know, Joni's exhibition is scheduled to open on June 30 at the Mendel Gallery in Saskatoon. According to the information available at jonimitchell.com, there is a public reception on opening night, no tickets necessary, and the artist will be in attendance. Well, that was enough for me! Just reserved my hotel room (Comfort Inn, and inexpensive) and wanted to let you know, if you're thinking of attending, that most hotels are booked for that weekend. There are rooms at the Quality Inn and the luxurious Delta Bessborough (which however are $188 a night) and probably elsewhere, too. Would be great to see some other JMDLers there, so if you're fence-sitting........ all the best, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 01:13:44 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Concert Reviews Deb, Gina & Mark, I'd be happy to label any review with a warning label so as not to spoil potential surprises for others. But then you may have others who respond to the review posts who inadvertently let the cat out of the bag, so to speak. Maybe the solution would be just to post reviews to the jonimitchell.com site or maybe a section of the JMDL site that Les sets up and then people who are interested in reading about the concerts can bypass reading the list to hear about them. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:51:50 +1000 From: "geronimo" Subject: Joni's wonderful wardrobe Thanks to Raven for posting the website address for the photo of JM, Cyndi Lauper et al. I too was stuck with party of five until this useful bit of info came along. Wow, it seems like Joni has been on a big Issey Miyake shopping spree or has she just finally decided to make her collection more public?. She certainly does seem to have a wardrobe full of his characteristically heavily pleated and artfully crushed pieces. Now, at the risk of being designated the list's most ridiculous fashion queen, I need to clear something up here - according to the TNT photo, Joni's IM gown and coat are blue, but in Phil's review of the show, he says she was wearing green ("joni, looking positively radiant in a green gown...."). Can we have confirmation either way, please! (and is this the same frock (!) she wore to the Oscars/Oscars Party of a couple of years ago?) Other Miyake pieces include the blue (?) top she's wearing in the phone from the recent People Magazine story (yes? No?), the green (?) and black ensemble used in the BSN promo photos and the cream coat (and possibly the purple scarf) worn on Letterman. Any other Miyake sightings? Kakki, surely you can help me out here? Nicholas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 09:10:20 -0400 From: Matt Jones Subject: Joni In MD...coming from GA...anyone interesetd? Hey Guys I live in GA, and due to a prior committment to provide musical direction for a production of Fiddler on the Roof, I can't make it to see Joni in Atlanta. However, I MUST see her! The option of going to the concert in Washington/ Maryland is appealing to me... however, I don't want to make a trip like that alone. Anyone interested in a road trip? Matt in GA musicmat@earthlink.net Please email me if interested ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 09:13:43 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL Howard, I know that many people share your opinion of THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS; I certainly do. Still, it was great to read your words, to see that album again properly appreciated, properly praised. I think we all understand that a work of such subtlety, such uncompromising originality will probably find favor with a small proportion of the consumer population. I feel that Joni Mitchell, beyond subtlety, beyond originality, has also been prolific, extremely determined and ever-evolving. She has lived and worked as if she believed in herself and her work. That belief has been valid. As a result, she is a productive, wealthy woman who has not surrendered her right to be ambitious and proud. She could not be anyone but who she is and while I happily acknowledge, as you do, all I have gained from being connected to her music, I don't worry too much that her career/image/reputation--call it what you will---has not duplicated that of Dylan, or any other artist. She is arguably the greatest songwriter in the English language for the second half of the 20th Century; for me she IS that and by a very wide margin. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 09:19:36 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Some new Joni finds (VLJC) In a message dated 04/08/2000 11:59:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy writes: << < Is that the same Rod Taylor that was the actor in Alfred Hitchcock's "The Birds" ? >> No, and I didn't see any Joni covers by Tippi Hedren either! :~) >> Bob, I think it is the same Rod Taylor. I did some checking on CD Now and it said the following about Rod's import album called "S/T": HIS BACKGROUND INCLUDES SONGS FOR IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY'S 3RD LP & LINDA RONSTADT. THIS LP BOASTS JESSE ED DAVIS, JONI MITCHELL, BONNIE BRAMLETT, JIM KELTNER ANDREW GOLD, BILLY PAYNE & OTHER LA SESSION PLAYERS ALONG FOR THE RIDE. When I checked on the bio and video links, it did show that he was in "The birds" and "Glass Bottom Boat". Look on the cover again and see if it's the same guy. If it is, I had no idea that man could sing. It really doesn't matter if he could, that Aussie actor was *HOT* :-) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 09:39:16 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: BSN chart debut From another list, this info on BSN's first-week sales and some trivia: Joni Mitchell's cover album "Both Sides Now" sells over 18,000 copies to debut at #89. She has had new albums charting in the '70s, '80s, '90s and '00s, with a chart life span of 29 years and 9 months. Beating her in both terms is Led Zeppelin. As "Latter Days: The Best Of Led Zeppelin Volume Two" enters at #81, the group has had albums charting during five decades ('60s-'00s) with a span over 31 years. Me again: 18,000 is extremely respectable. In slower sales weeks, it would be enough to rank top-50, but post-Grammies sales tend to be more competitive. Go Joni! A slow, steady burn of sales for this album could make it her first gold in years. Given the nature of the material, the promotions, and the tour, it is not an impossibility. - --Michael NP: Basement Jaxx, "U Can't Stop Me" - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ooh baby baby, mad sex And when we're through I really have no problem Acting like I don't know you." - --Me'Shell NdegeOcello, "If That's Your Boyfriend (He Wasn't Last Night)" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:15:13 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Some new Joni finds I spotted some weird Joni stuff myself yesterday. A BSN on an album of classical harp music and a Carey on an album by Diane Davison, whoever she is. Actually I figured out from the sleeve that she's american and country. Owing to the shop owner's no discount policy on these and some other items that he's never going to sell, I was unable to conclude a deal. I will go back for the harp record though. Philip NP My Secret Place ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 10:40:51 -0500 From: "H.D. Motyl" Subject: Re: HOSL This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------0A0B9FD243F0849080A87730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > I feel that Joni Mitchell, beyond subtlety, beyond originality, has also been > prolific, extremely determined and ever-evolving. She has lived and worked > as if she believed in herself and her work. That belief has been valid. As a > result, she is a productive, wealthy woman who has not surrendered her right > to be ambitious and proud. > > She could not be anyone but who she is and while I happily acknowledge, as > you do, all I have gained from being connected to her music, I don't worry > too much that her career/image/reputation--call it what you will---has not > duplicated that of Dylan, or any other artist. > > She is arguably the greatest songwriter in the English language for the > second half of the 20th Century; for me she IS that and by a very wide margin. > > DAVID LAHM When I read your words, I sort of cringe at "the greatest songwriter" (even with Shades of Scarlett Conquering playing--yes, I played HOSL again when I woke up) and then I think, what other pop/rock songwriters (I'm assuming here that this is the implied category--but correct me, rant at me, put me in my place, if I am wrong and you are saying, in all categories of song) of the second half of the last century do equal her. I think of Burt Bachrach, whom I love, and know, that as much as I love him, his stuff is so very pop, especially lyrically, that they could almost blow away--but what lovely lyrics. Musically, yes, his tunes are imminently hummable--but somehow, he doesn't add up to the depth, range, intelligence, experimentation of JM. Bob Dylan--I don't get it at all, so I won't go into it. The guys from Motown? Dozier-Holland-Dozier: great songs, great beat, beating JM? Hardly. Carole King? Laura Nyro? Peter Gabriel? Those Beatle boys, Lennon and McCartney? Who else does equal her? Who surpasses her? I'm hard-pressed. Howard M. - --------------0A0B9FD243F0849080A87730 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for H.D. Motyl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="howard_scptv.vcf" begin:vcard n:Motyl;Howard tel;fax:312-421-7714 tel;work:312-421-7711 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SCPTV Worldwide adr:;;400 North May Street, Suite 201;Chicago;Illinois;60622; version:2.1 email;internet:howard_scptv@interaccess.com title:Director, Creative Development note;quoted-printable:"Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something for someone coming behind you and you don't,=0D=0Ayou are wasting your time on this earth."=0D=0A Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------0A0B9FD243F0849080A87730-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:56:13 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: Getting your notes to Joni and the CT Show--tix still available Hi Kids, I am so happy and so lucky that I will be one of the JMDLers sitting two rows from her majesty at the CT show. Thanks to our majesty HEATHER!!! Here is a thought. Remember how Joni talked about the cookbook and the bios. I thought wow she really did read our Birthday present. Anyway, here's an idea I have. What about writing a personal letter to Joni? Send it to me. I will compile them and bind them and hand them to Joni personally or somehow. Maybe you could write about your favorite song, or concert, or even the Dalai Lama running for president or whatever. These letters WILL GET TO HER. I mean this is a guy who jumped on stage and kissed Joan Baez. I promise somehow they will get to her. Just let me know if you're interested. Then we'll take it from here. As far as a sign for the show, I was thinking something like We'd "sure like to see you sometime" on the JMDL. Anyway it's a working title but you get my meaning. Also, Mrs. Chili is looking for a photograph of Joni. A very special one. A close up maybe from the 98 tour. The Garden ---MSG? Something that shows her face close up and lots of detail. She plans to make an oil of it and then reproduce into a print. These prints will be sold to raise money for Les (JMDL.com) and Jim (JoniMitchell.com). We will return all photos received. Please help with this one. Thanks so much!! Yesterday it was sunny in the 60s and we were in the garden. Today it is snowing. Just picture winter with the golden forsythia in full bloom and you've got it! Funny from my window I see two mallards have made a home in our swimming pool. Also, a pair of doves have made a nest in a yew tree. Also, this is to the drummers who responded to me when I posted about finding a drum. I am sorry I didn't write your names down and that's why I am posting this to the list. A great source for native drums is Neko-Chan Trading Co. Neko-Chan's catalogue can be ordered by e-mail cjrah@earthlink.net or toll free 1-888-635-6242. They sell a lot of "cool" stuff like Tibetan prayer flags and a great selection of books. They also sell Michael Harner's book, Th e Way of the Shaman . Mr. Harner and his assistants teach about drumming, sweat lodges and the like. They hold classes all over the planet but are based in Connecticut. For more info http://www.shamanism.org/. Also again for more drums and drumming GlenVelez.com. He has worked with Remo (Remo is not just the name of a drum company , he is an actual person) to come up with a number of synthetic drums with voices that are not dependent on the climate in order to sing. He also has constructed the biggest Bodhran (Irish frame drum) we've ever seen! Again, if anyone is coming up from NY for the Connecticut show. We will be happy to pick you up from the train and transport you. Just let us know. You have to like dogs though. BTW, good tickets are still on sale here's the link to the CT show site joni oakdale theater, Wallingford CT http://www.oakdale.com/index.html . Just a note: the show is going to take place on 5/27 but the site is not updated but I assure they are selling tickets at the box office. Heather's last report said it was about half sold out. As the ads always say "Call Today" :-) - -Chili "Kind words and a real good heart doesn't mean you'll get respect"-Joan Armatrading ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 12:16:56 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN chart debut Michael writes: << From another list, this info on BSN's first-week sales and some trivia: Joni Mitchell's cover album "Both Sides Now" sells over 18,000 copies to debut at #89. >> I have the BSN LE, but I still want to purchase the regular release. I try to buy my cd's thru CD NOW so some of the proceeds will go to Wally's website, but I'm wondering if I should buy it at one of the local record chains to boost the charts. It seems like there was a discussion on the list when TTT was released. Isn't Billboard's top 100 based on sales at the record stores and not thru online services or K-Marts? Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 09:46:32 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: pat's guitar update - FINALLY! bob, thanks. I'm going today to get some sooper, sooper lite gauge slinky strings for this thing. wow, it's been so many years since I played, the med. gauge strings that came with it seem to cut right through to the bone! ouch! as for my posts, I wish I'd archived them somewhere... I find that a lot of things I said before I want to write all over again for some of the newer people who love her early stuff especially. hmmm... guess they *are* all archived in the digest back issues at jmdl.com, come to think of it... ;o) right now I'm just determined to re-create the songs Joni taught me and get them right (at least 'my' versions) on the guitar site. I owe her that much for all she's given me. pat NP 'Ball & Chain' - Janis Joplin w/ Big Brother And The Holding Company On Sat, 8 Apr 2000 09:04:30 SCJoniGuy wrote: >Glad you finally got your guitar, Pat! And I'm always ready to hear more of your stories of Joni's early club days. Those posts are among the best of what I've read here! Bob NP: XTC, "Ball & Chain"> Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:15:05 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: Another "me too" re Joni/Cyndi pic I missed it too, if it's floating around, please send it my way. No regrets, Coyote Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:23:15 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: BSN chart debut <> Jimmy, I don't know how the charts work either, but the internet sales numbers aren't lost. Joni's first week, BSN was number 9 on the internet charts. Looking last night, BSN had dropped to 99 on Billboard's 200. Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:36:57 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: RE[2]: JONI picture-of-the-day In a message dated 04/08/2000 11:01:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RAVEN@igc.org writes: << >i've tried, but alas too late; all i get is a picture of party of five!!!!! >[and i hate that show] has anybody saved the pic? You should still be able to access the photo at: >> Rats! I get nothing except a message saying "returned without results". :( Gina ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:41:12 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI picture-of-the-day In a message dated 04/08/2000 7:08:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: << Here's the dreaded "me too." At 07:38 AM 4/8/00 -0300, you wrote: >i've tried, but alas too late; all i get is a picture of party of five!!!!! >[and i hate that show] has anybody saved the pic? can you send it to me as >an attachment. much obliged! >wallyk >> Me three! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:02:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Penny Subject: Re: JONI picture-of-the-day This link, that Randy Remote posted yesterday, just worked for me a minute ago. Can someone scan this thing so it's not lost in time. (I can't scan) Penny http://www.canoe.ca/Apr7/jam.jpg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:05:17 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL signs In a message dated 4/8/2000 11:02:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scam1@freeway.net writes: << Hello all! I liked Brian's idea of having signs at the concerts. Thinking about that made me wonder if we could somehow hand the JMDL loves Joni sign that I made for Woodstock at each of the concerts. This would be very tough as she is doing some shows back to back, but are there listers who are doing multiple shows (like the Rev. Vince who is doing both Chicago and Detroit)? >> I also want to give her roses. I know I might be able to at the Merriweather show since I am in the pit but the other show Brian might have to give her the flowers since he is in the first row of the pit at the E Center. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:08:22 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: HOSL well you aren't the only one to love HOSL. It was my first ever Joni and I think it is brilliant and I am definately not a musician! colin-celebrating Phoebe's 4th Best Puppy win in a row! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:09:42 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Letterman Loves Joni Dave Letterman was on Charlie Rose's interview show years ago. Dave pulled out a cigar and a book of matches in the middle of a story. He continued to talk to Charlie as he struck the match. Kept talking. Kept talking. Kept talking. The match got shorter and shorter and Dave kept talking. Kept talking. Finally he shook the match so he won't have to stop talking to blow it out. Struck another match as he kept talking. Same thing again. Kept talking. The match got shorter. Kept talking. Shook the match. Kept talking. Here's a guy who loves to hear himself talk! All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:10:19 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI picture-of-the-day Don't be too concerned about finding this photo. As I mentioned earlier, I took lots of pictures at the concert and have forwarded the best ones to Jim at JoniMitchell.com. He seemed very pleased and you should be seeing them very soon. Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:11:21 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: JOni as Gay Icon > > There were other songs pointed out, too, (by Colin, I think). this thread is news to me So i don't think it was I. But I think probably most love songs can be fiddled with to fit. And, I > believe, we gay men were very happy to accept Joni as a gay man. > > Howard M > > NP: Shades of Scarlett Conquering (She Covers her eyes in the x-rated > scenes . . . with her impossibly gentle hands, and blood red fingernails > . . . a woman must have everything) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:12:26 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni RealAudio Clip That Failed In a message dated 04/09/2000 1:43:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << Recruit a queer babe and win a toaster! :) Jim, Make it a coffee percolator, and I'll get you a lesbian (O.K., it might be my lover in drag, but it's close!). I have no idea what you were talking about, but it seems very complicated and impressive! I await your E-mail. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:13:33 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL In a message dated 4/9/2000 3:29:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, howard_scptv@interaccess.com writes: << But anyway, I put HOSL on--partially becuz I love, love, love "In France They Kiss on Main Street" (with his head full of poolhall pictures and songs from the hit parade) and the title tune (and on every metal thorn, just a little blood of his own) but man, oh man, how good is this entire album? When it first came out, I loved it and I couldn't understand why it was getting such bad press. Lyrically, it is amazing. And musically, I will say that it is amazing--although I am no musician, but, honey, I know what I like. (Don't get me started about the English Patient. Mmm.) >> Have you ever heard the Hissing of Summer Lawns Demos? They are quite amazing too!!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:17:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Some new Joni finds (VLJC) In a message dated 4/9/00 7:22:01 AM US Central Standard Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << I think it is the same Rod Taylor. I did some checking on CD Now and it said the following about Rod's import album called "S/T":>> Well dang, Jimmy, you may be right but it sure doesn't look like the same dude, maybe because he's got a beard & moustache in these photos (by Henry Diltz). Matter of fact, if you think he's a hottie, you would particularly like the inside photo of him shirtless in jeans, guitar on his lap, ciggie dangling from his lip. This is Asylum SD 5062, actually this one is a promo copy with the white Asylum label on the actual record. It was released in 1972. (btw, Kate in CO has declared dibs on it after I transfer it to disc) <> Others of note are Ry Cooder, Kenny Edwards, Russ Kunkel, David LaFlamme, Lee Sklar, Ernie Watts. Produced by Chuck Plotkin. Now I'm really anxious to hear it! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:38:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL In a message dated 4/9/00 9:41:02 AM US Central Standard Time, howard_scptv@interaccess.com writes: << Who else does equal her? Who surpasses her? I'm hard-pressed. >> Synchronicity on this question, Howard! I went for a run when I got home this morning, and was thinking about the differences between "songwriters" and composers"...some imo are one or the other, some are both. Joni is obviously a songwriter AND a composer - who in their right mind could call Paprika Plains, Amelia, Same Situation, The Sire of Sorrow, among others, merely "songs"? Her equals, imo - George Gershwin, Miles Davis, Leonard Bernstein, Thelonius Monk, Fagen/Becker, Frank Zappa. All of these people took what was the musical convention of their day and pushed the boundaries way out, creating things that were so unique they couldn't be done by anyone else. Even my favorite songwriters besides Joni - Elvis Costello, Tom Waits, Andy Partridge, Bruce Springsteen, are not writers that I would refer to as "composers". That takes NOTHING away from them as they are geniuses in their own right. I'm sure there are many others that other JMDLer's would add to the list... Bob NP: Elvin Bishop, "Fannie Mae" (definitely NOT a composer! :~D) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:44:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI picture-of-the-day In a message dated 4/9/00 12:03:50 PM US Central Standard Time, zapuppy@yahoo.com writes: << Can someone scan this thing so it's not lost in time. >> Penny, I've saved it (I think Mark did too). I'll be glad to forward it to whoever wants it... Bob NP: Jackson Browne, "Before the Deluge" (going to see him TONIGHT!, right here in Greenville (in the same acoustically perfect auditorium that Joni should be be playing in...) "Let the music keep our spirits high"...J.Browne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 11:48:55 -0700 From: RAVEN@igc.org Subject: RE[3]: JONI picture-of-the-day At 10:36 04/09/2000, Gina responding to my reply to Wally Kairuz, wrote: >In a message dated 04/08/2000 11:01:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >RAVEN@igc.org writes: > ><< >i've tried, but alas too late; all i get is a picture of party of >five!!!!! > >[and i hate that show] has anybody saved the pic? > > You should still be able to access the photo at: > > >> > >Rats! I get nothing except a message saying "returned without results". That link still works (at least it worked for me 5 minutes ago), but if it's unavailable to you, you can get a copy from my website at: or RAVEN ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:00:40 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: RE: JONI picture-of-the-day Deb wrote: <<>i've tried, but alas too late; all i get is a picture of party of five!!!!! >[and i hate that show] has anybody saved the pic? can you send it to me as >an attachment. much obliged! >wallyk>> <> Uh, me three???? ;-) I'd love to see the pic! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:12:12 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Joni POTD - anyone else? Just let me know and I'll send it out pronto! NP-Sunny Sunday (it is!) - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:27:41 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni POTD - anyone else? In a message dated 04/09/2000 3:14:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << Just let me know and I'll send it out pronto! >> Thanks Mark, and if you don't mind I'd like mine in an 8x10 glossy, framed of course and signed by Joni and Cyndi. just kiddin :-) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:56:44 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: HOSL > well you aren't the only one to love HOSL. It was my first ever Joni and > I think it is brilliant and I am definately not a musician! > colin-celebrating Phoebe's 4th Best Puppy win in a row! > Congratulations, Phoebe & Colin! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:05:26 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL (md) Oh, Marcel, we're gonna have fun with this! I did say the SECOND HALF of the century, so forget Ellington. Broadway? The only possible candidate is Sondheim (R & H's greatest score, "South Pacific" came in 1949 heh heh) and most of Sondheim's songs have great lyrics but minimal musical interest (for me). He seems to hardly acknowledge jazz or black music at all and sure, that's his prerogative, but it means that I get little emotionally out of the music. He is a legitimate contender, though. So are Lennon/McCartney. They were capable of great tenderness, vivid irony and a good-time feeling. They observed sharply and made good use of the resources of the mother tongue. All these are true of JM--I feel to at least an equal extent--and there's an additional focused selfhood in the JM persona that is very convincing to me. So I do not retract nor qualify anything I claimed for JM. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:29:30 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: JMDL signs Sue wrote about passing the Woodstock sign: <> I am going to be in Hartford on the 27th, then coming home to go to the Boston show for the 28th. If this happens, I would be glad to bring the "bearer of the torch" so to speak. Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:04:53 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL signs Question for those who've had the great honor of meeting Joni...... Joni is quite aware of JoniMitchell.com and all of us "web people", but does she know what JMDL is? Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:41:11 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: joni as Gay Icon hey howard, i don't remember the discussion regarding joni as a gay man, but the gay icon topic has risen many times. people have defended both yes and no, some intelligently, some less so, imo. as for the two songs you reference, i don't think 'richard' could possibly ring truer than it does by adding the man-to-man issue. it does add another level of complexity; plenty of men have compromised their sexuality to settle down and have ended up as unhappy as richard, but it's certainly not necessary to the core of the song. the compromise that joni writes about is all there, already. on the other hand, two grey rooms is specifically about a man-to-man situation; joni has said so proudly in interviews (she's proud of being able to write from a totally unfamiliar viewpoint) it's inspired by a fassbinder movie (or story?). and it's hard to imagine it any other way. can you imagine a woman renting a little apartment just to watch an ex-lover walk by every day? in my experience, women are more pragmatic than that; they have to be. patrick np - for the roses > >Hmm. We had a discussion like this about a year ago, I think. But it >wasn't about Joni being a gay icon, it was about Joni being a gay >*man*. If I remember it all correctly, it began with imagining "Last >Time I saw Richard" being sung by a man--and it all works as a man to >man love thang. (If you'd like, I can reprise this reading. Down to >"with all the house lights left up bright") But I think we can also >imagine a man singing "Two Grey Rooms" and it would fit beautifully into >the man to man love lust. (on hot days, your shirt's undone . . .) > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:22:41 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: JONI picture-of-the-day At 4/9/2000 12:02 PM , Penny wrote: >This link, that Randy Remote posted yesterday, just worked for me a minute >ago. Can someone scan this thing so it's not lost in time. (I can't scan) > Penny How about this: http://216.247.66.89/performances/docs/000406.cfm Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:34:19 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni in Who weekly From: "geronimo" Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:03:04 +1000 For Australian readers, the People magazine story on JM is in the Oscar's edition of Who Weekly (April 10). There is also a crappy review of BSN by local writer Barry Divola which damns with feint praise. The only useful line in the review is "Still, Mitchell has never been known to worry about people think of her career choices." Thank God! If she had there would be no Joni Mitchell as we know her and no Hejira, DJRD, HOSL etc etc. The problem with being such a ginormous Joni fan is that I don't think I can really write a rational response to reviews like this but its their patronising tone which really gets to me and the inclination to dash off a 'protest' letter rides high. If anyone wants a transcript, let me know, as they don't seem to have a web-site Nicholas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:47:29 EDT From: Guitarpoint@aol.com Subject: Re: joni as Gay Icon Patrick If you have ever been stalked by a woman you would know the possibility of a woman in two grey rooms. Joni's writes so well there can be different interpretations depending on one's own life experiences. Isn't that one standard for being a great writter. Dave C ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 21:23:49 -0400 From: Dave Gertler Subject: Re: HOSL This "who's the greatest songwriter/whatever" thread is fun, as such things always are. Just for a bit of perspective, though: A few years back, I was lurking around a Gordon Lightfoot mailing list (he's another of my faves). I made the mistake of offering a comment along the lines of "Gee, he's a terrific songwriter, though of course he's not in the same league as Joni Mitchell." You shoulda heard the loud wail of protest and dissent emanating from that group! They all think GL is The Greatest! To each her/his own. P.S. Regarding HOSL: interesting and all, but give me _Hejira_ any day (one of my two favorite albums of all time, the other being the far simpler yet strangely wondrous _Prince of Wales_ by Alison Statton and Ian Devine). P.P.S. One way to measure Joni's greatness is the fact that none of her compositions are cited in the fall-off-your-chair hilarious book _Dave Barry's Book of Bad Songs_. A highly recommended read for anyone into music! Dave Gertler dgertler@concentric.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:41:09 +0100 From: "Hejira" Subject: Joni on the radio IN ENGLAND !!!!! YES THAT RIGTH i heard joni for the first time ever on the radio here two tracks from BSN and the guy was really selling it saying how it holds up to billie hol ect ect. This is the only related thing I have seen or heard about BSN over here isn't that sad so you guys are being total spoiled and should make the most of it just imagine you could live here aaahhhh !!! I WANT TO COME TO CANADA FOR THE EXHIB CAN WE GET SOMETHING GOING SO WE CAN ALL MEET UP WHERE CAN I STAY ECT. Sorry this is a crap post I have just got in after driving 800 miles love to all keVin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:59:02 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL In a message dated 4/9/00 9:25:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgertler@concentric.net writes: << A few years back, I was lurking around a Gordon Lightfoot mailing list (he's another of my faves). I made the mistake of offering a comment along the lines of "Gee, he's a terrific songwriter, though of course he's not in the same league as Joni Mitchell." You shoulda heard the loud wail of protest and dissent emanating from that group! They all think GL is The Greatest! To each her/his own. >> So, would you say that your comment fell cold on their shoulders? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 22:23:51 -0400 From: Dave Gertler Subject: Re: HOSL IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/9/00 9:25:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > dgertler@concentric.net writes: > > << A few years back, I was lurking around a Gordon Lightfoot mailing list > (he's another of my faves). I made the mistake of offering a comment along > the lines of "Gee, he's a terrific songwriter, though of course he's not in > the same league as Joni Mitchell." You shoulda heard the loud wail of protest > and dissent emanating from that group! They all think GL is The Greatest! To > each her/his own. > >> > > So, would you say that your comment fell cold on their shoulders? > > Paul I Er, no -- it was more like they told me, in no uncertain terms, to hit the carefree highway. ;-) DG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 20:42:41 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: JMDL signs Good question Jimmy. Hey Marian....Did the cookbook say JMDL on the cover? She might know it from that... Phyliss FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Question for those who've had the great honor of meeting Joni...... > > Joni is quite aware of JoniMitchell.com and all of us "web people", but does > she know what JMDL is? > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 00:12:16 -0500 From: "H.D. Motyl" Subject: Re: joni as Gay Icon This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------10E0D3FA6AC15653AC8680D6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit patrick leader wrote: > on the other hand, two grey rooms is specifically about a man-to-man > situation; joni has said so proudly in interviews (she's proud of being able > to write from a totally unfamiliar viewpoint) it's inspired by a fassbinder > movie (or story?). and it's hard to imagine it any other way. can you > imagine a woman renting a little apartment just to watch an ex-lover walk by > every day? in my experience, women are more pragmatic than that; they have > to be. > This is the first time I've heard this, and I have to tell you, I imagined Joni in that room, watching that man go by everyday. I had no problem imagining her, specifically, or a woman, in general. And I loved the idea of a woman following a man to spy on him. 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I laughed reading your post because I've also been wondering for some time about this "crinkly" thing she has going ;-) I recall she wore a blue-ish crinkly dress to the Stormy Weather concert similar to the Tribute dress. She wore another crinkly blueish-turquoise outfit to the ASCAP awards. She is wearing a greyish green crinkly in the hand on knee painting from TTT and a white crinkly in the French Kiss painting from BSN. I really cracked up when I saw her at LACE wearing no crinkly clothing but wearing a crinkly black silk back pack! And related to the LACE show, Chili wrote: > Remember how Joni talked about the cookbook and the bios. I was so thrilled to see Joni mention this in that Pro QB interview because it reinforced the conversation I had with her at LACE. As I mentioned back then, she did not want to talk about anything but that cookbook and the bios. Even when others standing nearby tried to drift to another subject she would resolutely bring it back to the cookbook discussion and especially the bios. I was really so surprised by it all. And finally Jimmy asked: > Question for those who've had the great honor of meeting Joni...... > Joni is quite aware of JoniMitchell.com and all of us "web people", but does > she know what JMDL is? Yep, yep, yep, yep ;-) Kakki NP: Kurt Elling - Esperanto (One of the most gorgeous songs I've ever heard - music by Joni conductor Vince Mendoza and lyrics by Elling) "It's a hope, a sign, a measure of quiet rapture, of love and what might come after, it's letting go and letting no answer be an answer...." K. Elling ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #132 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?