From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #118 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 118 Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund," with all donations going directly into the upkeep of the JoniMitchell.com website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds, and it will now be up to Jim to continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re:- Hello Again my friends (vljc) [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Tribute Selections ["Kakki" ] Re: The old lady chain smoking ["Kakki" ] kazoo... ["P. Henry" ] Re: Joni on Brian Blade album [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: kazoo... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: kazoo... [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Elton's Jonispeak [Siresorrow@aol.com] My Contribution to Alan's project ... [Don Rowe ] Re: Elton's Jonispeak [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Elton's Jonispeak [Siresorrow@aol.com] BSN [Gerald Heibert ] Re: BSN [Jerry Notaro ] Folk DJs react to BSN [Steve Dulson ] New Article on Reprise Site [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: BSN [Catherine McKay ] Re: Elton's Jonispeak [jan gyn ] Re: BSN [catman ] Mary Chapin Carpenter too [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Madison Square Gardens YES [Catherine McKay ] Re: Hello Again my friends (vljc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: BSN [Siresorrow@aol.com] more on EJ Jonispeak [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Folk DJs react to BSN [Brian Gross ] mendel, dream, bsn [Kate ] Re: Folk DJs react to BSN [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: tribute selections [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Another DJ chimes in... [Steve Dulson ] Re: Creative Writing Project (SJC) ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: Joni covered by Nancy Wilson (VLJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni covered by Nancy Wilson (VLJC) [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] More on Joni L.A. Tickets ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 03:52:35 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re:- Hello Again my friends (vljc) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:57:52 +0100 From: "Hejira" Subject: Hello Again my friends (vljc) Hi !!!:):):):):):) Some of you may remember me and to all the new folks big hug live has been and still is very busy ,but I was just missing all the Joni vibe and have to get back to the list. Don't you just love the new CD wow that voice!! I also have a bit of Joni news that I really didn't want to hear but is interesting all the same. Her goes: A friend of mine Gary went to visit his ex in Brighton (England )recently and they went shopping and Gary picked up the new CD and Roy his Ex (who is not a Joni fan) said oh yeah I forgot to tell you I meet her a few weeks ago. It turns out that Roy now shares a house with the brother of some guy in the music biz who was having a dinner party and wanted the two of them to go: they did ,it was in some big country manor just outside Brighton Roy said there was about 10 or so people there most off them were in the pool billiards room most of the night but a few stayed in the kitchen talking. Roy stayed in the kitchen for a while chatting to an old women(his words) who chain smoked it wasn't until his friend said what where you talking to Joni about that he found out it was Joni Mitchell and even then he didn't care. Can you believe it Joni was in England hanging out and someone I know meet her and didn't care and it was at a little gathering wow the things we could have talked about.Anyway going on and on hope you like my bit of gossip.Anyone going to the The Mendel Art Gallery June 30. I am going to come over from Scotland and make it my holiday anyone meeting up? let me know What else is there to do? Love and big hug to all Kevin (HEJIRA) Hey, Kevin! It's great to have you back but that story has sent shivers down my spine. I'm on my way to Brighton right now and go there at least once a week. How did I MISS HER? You've got to let me know next time! I still play the tapes you sent me so Stay in touch, Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 01:22:15 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Tribute Selections I like your picks, Phyliss. This show should be incredible. I wonder whether they will focus on her "hits", "misses" or a little of both. Here's my guesses and some preferences: Elton John - How Do You Stop; Two Grey Rooms James Taylor - Yvette in English; Barangrill, Woodstock k.d. lang - In France They Kiss on Main Street; Coyote; Wild Things Run Fast (actually k.d. could sing just about any of them well) Shawn Colvin - Amelia; Night Ride Home Diana Krall - Be Cool; Blue Motel Room, Moon at the Window Chaka Khan - Talk To Me; Shadows and Light; Harry's House Wyonna Judd - Help Me; You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio Richard Thompson - Fiddle and the Drum; Both Sides Now Bryan Adams - Free Man in Paris; Hejira Cassandra Wilson - Black Crow; Hissing of Summer Lawns Good luck to all trying to get tickets to the TNT show tomorrow - wahoo!! Kakki NP: Willie Bobo - It's Not Unusual ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 01:28:16 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: The old lady chain smoking >Roy stayed in the kitchen for a while chatting to an old >women(his words) who chain smoked This is so awful and funny at the same time!! Thanks for the great story, Kevin, and welcome back. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 01:57:27 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: kazoo... bob, "1. Joni with kazoo accompaniment"... this one I've heard! in fact I've actually seen and heard our queen PLAY the kazoo as well on 'San Francisco Bay Blues' in duo with Chuck, circa 1966... ;o) (I'm sure Brian recalls that) pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:07:23 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on Brian Blade album In a message dated 3/31/00 12:25:16 AM US Central Standard Time, CarltonCT@aol.com writes: << I heard on our public radio station here in Los Angeles that Brian Blade's new album has a vocal by Joni. Anyone heard this CD yet? He's an amazing drummer. >> Clark, this tune has been reported on, Kakki talked about it a week or so ago. The name of the song is "Steadfast", I'm dying to hear it so as it's payday I'll be picking it up myself this weekend! PS - I'll be heading off to Columbia SC til Saturday night but I'll catch up on Sunday... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:11:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: kazoo... In a message dated 3/31/00 3:58:30 AM US Central Standard Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << this one I've heard! in fact I've actually seen and heard our queen PLAY the kazoo as well on 'San Francisco Bay Blues' in duo with Chuck, circa 1966... ;o) (I'm sure Brian recalls that) >> Very cool, Pat - get me a copy of that, willya? :~) AND she also features a kazoo on the version of 'Dreamland' on the Hissing Demos. I'll always treasure the kazoo I got at Jonifest 99, although I think we got 'em after we already did our tortured rendition on Ashara's stage... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:34:37 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: kazoo... Bob (who's gone til Sunday so let's flood him with emails :-) ) writes: << I'll always treasure the kazoo I got at Jonifest 99, although I think we got 'em after we already did our tortured rendition on Ashara's stage... >> I guess the kazoo bit won't happen at Jonifest2000 in N.O. with so many extremely talented musicians performing. Rats, cause I was hoping it would happen again since the kazoo is the only instrument I can play :-( Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:22:14 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Elton's Jonispeak In a message dated 3/31/00 2:24:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, pward@lightspeed.net writes: << Maybe Jonispeak on the music industry is a trend. It wouldn't be the first one she's started... ; - } I've never heard of Elton being a Joni fan before. >> i just read an elton article yesterday at the dentist. i think it may have been in people. he specifically mentioned joni mitchell in that article in the context of aging. the line was something like.....why can't mick jagger still sing songs or eric clapton or bruce springsteen...why can't joni mitchell keep putting out good work just because she is over 50.. pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 06:26:24 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: My Contribution to Alan's project ... Alan asked that I forward this to the list -- I wrote it for the interactive creative writing project he's working on. Don Rowe A Portrait of Ghosts and History -- Joni Mitchell's "Furry Sings The Blues" Effective writing of any sort, be it poetry, prose -- or in this case -- the lyrics of a song, treats a reader's imagination in much the same way a painter approaches a blank canvas. Pure imagination is a clear field for the writer to fill with vibrant and colorful images. That Joni Mitchell is herself a painter is evident from the opening lines of her song "Furry Sings The Blues." Old Beale Street is coming down Sweeties' Snack Bar, boarded up now And Egles The Tailor and the Shine Boy's gone Faded out with ragtime blues Handy's cast in bronze And he's standing in a little park With a trumpet in his hand Like he's listening back to the good old bands And the click of high heeled shoes The first 9 lines let you as a reader, even if you've never heard the song before, know exactly where you are. With an almost photographic clarity, the writing creates an image of a world once alive -- but no more. Notice particularly the way in which Mitchell creates the statue of W.C. Handy -- instead of approaching the monument like a tour guide ... "And here is Memphis' famous W.C. Handy, Father of the Blues. The bronze statue is the work of so-and-so, standing over 12 feet tall ..." etc. etc. Mitchell uses a subtle personification, creating the impression that the statue is rather, the bronzed ghost of the famous man -- whose spirit is still present in the little park. This device is used with remarkable consistency throughout the piece -- to describe pawn shops: Pawn shops glitter like gold tooth caps In the grey decay They chew the last few dollars off old Beale Street's carcass And later on, a decaying movie theater: There's a double bill murder at the New Daisy The old girl's silent across the street She's silent - waiting for the wrecker's beat Silent - staring ar her stolen name Into this vivid landscape Mitchell introduces a host of characters, living and dead -- with the song's title character at it's center. The overall effect is very alive -- gracefully overcoming the surface impression of shabbiness. The finished portrait of words is, in the end, every bit as effective as one painted with any brush. ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:29:26 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Elton's Jonispeak Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/31/00 2:24:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, > pward@lightspeed.net writes: > > << Maybe Jonispeak on the music industry is > a trend. It wouldn't be the first one she's started... ; - } > > I've never heard of Elton being a Joni fan before. >> > > i just read an elton article yesterday at the dentist. i think it may have > been in people. he specifically mentioned joni mitchell in that article in > the context of aging. the line was something like.....why can't mick jagger > still sing songs or eric clapton or bruce springsteen...why can't joni > mitchell keep putting out good work just because she is over 50.. To clarify, he didn't mean to imply that theses artists don't, but that people think they can't because they are over 50. Jerry, Born in '50, soon to be ........ np: Annie Lennox - Take Me to the River ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:23:24 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Elton's Jonispeak In a message dated 3/31/00 9:30:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: << he didn't mean to imply that theses artists don't, but that people think they can't because they are over 50. >> this is exactly right. in fact, in hind sight he might have said something more like...why shouldn't they be able to ....as opposed to what i wrote,...why can't they... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:36:06 -0800 From: Gerald Heibert Subject: BSN I just discovered this discussion list, and, being a HUGE Joni fan for the past 30 years, I'm delighted to read your comments and stories. I'm just a bit puzzled why people would be writing in to discuss Kevin Spacey's sexuality and that kind of stuff (I thought Joni was the focus!). Anyway, the new BSN CD has given me a whole new perspective on her work. The orchestra is so beautifully recorded, and comparing A Case of You to the Blue version gives us a poignant perspective of the passage of time, and how we've all grown up together. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:09:54 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: BSN Gerald Heibert wrote: > I just discovered this discussion list, and, being a HUGE Joni fan for > the past 30 years, I'm delighted to read your comments and stories. > > I'm just a bit puzzled why people would be writing in to discuss Kevin > Spacey's sexuality and that kind of stuff (I thought Joni was the > focus!). Many issues come up from time to time, especially on such a large, active list such as this. And we all know how creative and intelligent Joni fans are! If you notice, those messages which are not Joni focused are marked NJC. You can subscribe to this list as Joni only, or to include the NJC (No Joni Content.) Or you can just delete all the NJC if it happens to be a busy day. The great thing is there is a choice. Jerry np: Jimmy Webb - Suspending Disbelief ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:13:12 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Folk DJs react to BSN These comments were posted on the FOLKDJ list. I've kept them anonymous (except one) because I havn't asked permission to re-post them. DJ 1: Joni Mitchell/ Both Sides Now/ Reprise I didn't much like this album, but let the listeners vote on whether to leave it on or take it off. Votes divided about 50-50, but more said to leave it on (in the spirit of openness) so I played it through. My feeling is that I didn't like that kind of big string-backed ballad in the 50s and I don't like them now. Feels like they're an example of an artist using their power to command something expensive -- "Make It So" -- without really listening to the result. Makes me feel as if J.M. Has become so self-centered and self-absorbed that she can't see around that. Or maybe [dare one say] it just don't belong on a "folk" program. But, then, nobody else is playing this old "easy listening" kind of stuff, either. Just give me a scotch and a cigarette, hon. DJ 2: Regarding Joni Mtchell's latest CD: I think that I can safely say that Joni did listen to the album as it was being produced, and to the final production. Perhaps she wasn't interested in making a folk CD this time around. Perhaps she wanted to stretch and take a risk. Also, sidemen Wayne Shorter and Herbie Hancock are certainly not easy-listening in the vernacular meaning of the term DJ 3: i actually found her version of 'both sides now' to be the best song on the cd. the original recording and lyrics are kind of hippie-dippy (not dissin the hippies either). this new recording makes the song poignant, her raspy rendition lends credence to the reflection inherent and the arrangements make me believe there is real meaning there. i really like it, but i probably wouldn't play it on any strident 'folk' program. i think even the rest of the cd is a cut above, say june tabor's, sinead o'connors, linda ronstadt, blahblah attempts at standards. i think she is a much more credible interpreter. DJ 4: (OK, it's obviously Gene Shay) In 1967 three days after she wrote , "Both Sides Now" she sang in on my folk show on WHAT-FM (those call letters were changed to WWDB years later). That's the first time the song was ever heard on the radio. Joni told me she had just written it at her friend Joy Flebbin's apartment in Philadelphia and that the song was inspired by a passage she read in the Saul Bellow's novel, HendersonThe Rain King. For a while, at the suggestion of Dave VanRonk, Joni called the song Clouds and Dave recorded it under that title. DJ 5: Joni does jazz, and finishes off this jazzy set. I'm really liking what little I've heard of the new Joni, no matter how much she may not be folk. Hey, we all gotta grow sometimes. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:53:46 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: New Article on Reprise Site Hi Y'all! New article on repriserec.com. Click BSN album pic, then "enter." Here's the full text for those without net access. Conceptually breathtaking, brilliantly realized, lovingly crafted by an artist of consummate intelligence and unerring instincts, Both Sides Now is among the most surprising and fulfilling albums in Joni Mitchell's altogether surprising and fulfilling career. A collection of twelve classic love songs, including a new rendition of the title track - the artist's own enduring contribution to the canon - Both Sides Now puts Mitchell's inimitable stamp on material culled from some of the best songwriters of our time, working in one of the most fertile genres in the American musical idiom - the torch song. Included are exquisite new versions of "Stormy Weather," "You're My Thrill," "I Wish I Were In Love Again," "You've Changed," "Comes Love" and seven other meticulously selected tracks, including a reworking of "A Case Of You," Mitchell's own aching paean to love and loss from 1972's Blue. . Both Sides Now was produced by Joni Mitchell and longtime creative collaborator Larry Klein, who also served as the album's Musical Director. Arranged and conducted by Grammy-nominated Vince Mendoza (known for his work with Bjork, Pat Metheny, Chaka Khan and many others), with a contribution by the great Gordon Jenkins, these twelve selections spotlight Mitchell's rich, emotionally resonant range in a full orchestral setting, courtesy of the 71-piece London Symphony Orchestra. Guest soloists include another of Mitchell's longtime musical co-conspirators, saxophone master Wayne Shorter, as well as Herbie Hancock on piano and trumpeter Mark Isham. . For all its traditional trappings, Both Sides Now is hardly a collection of revamped chestnuts. Among the many creative and conceptual levels on which the album functions, the song sequence itself traces the arc of a modern love affair. "I've always used my albums as a way to tell a story, to take the listener on a trip," explains the artist. "I wanted this one to develop sequentially, with a beginning, a middle and an end, telling the story of what two people in love take each other through. . "I started where every love affair starts," the legendary songwriter and performer continues. "When you're smitten, which, of course, is what 'You're My Thrill' expresses so beautifully. Then comes the celebration, when you thank your lucky stars, which is the sentiment of 'At Last.' Then there's a bit of whimsical philosophy with 'Comes Love,' expressing the sheer hopelessness of the condition, which also has a kind of prophetic cast to it, like the dark fairy showing up at the birthday party." . And, sure enough, the next track on Both Sides Now is a gorgeous rendering of "You've Changed," which, for the artist, expresses "the seeds of change." "We've all been there," she says, "that moment when we realize the person we love is not the angel we once knew, that, already, so soon into the relationship, things have begun to decline. Then comes 'Answer Me, My Love,' which expresses the same thing musically, in chords that are neither major nor minor. It was one of my favorite songs when I was a teenager, a Nat King Cole classic and it asks a very simple question: What do I do now?". It was the same question Mitchell asked of herself as she reached this critical point in the song cycle she was assembling. "What happens next is a lot of variable perspectives," she explains. "To me, the most interesting part of a relationship is what goes on after the blush is off the rose. 'A Case Of You,' 'Don't Go To Strangers,' 'Sometimes I'm Happy,' 'Don't Worry 'Bout Me,' these are songs that approach love from an adult point of view, a realistic appraisal. But for all of those rationales, there's still the ache in your heart, which is what 'Stormy Weather' sums up better than any song I know. Then, finally, we reach a true equilibrium. For all the pain and disillusionment, we still can't do without it. 'I Wish I Were In Love Again' reiterates that idea and provides a kind of comic relief after the journey.". Mitchell closes her song cycle with "Both Sides Now." "I wrote it when I was 21 and was really steeped in the classics of the genre," she explains. "So it seemed to fit. It's a philosophical statement that brings the concept of this album full circle.". The remarkable structure of Both Sides Now is underscored by what is undoubtedly one of the most resonant and nuanced vocal performances of Joni Mitchell's career. "Singing my own material, I often worked on not being a showy singer," she explains. "The point was to deliver the text with emotional honesty and because of the density of the lyrics there was no room for embellishing. But this music allows the voice to string out like a fishing line and ride the curves like a surfer. And when you're singing with an orchestra and all that brass swells up, you've got no choice but to let it carry you, to sing louder and brighter and do things you maybe never did before. Most pop music is very compressed and even, but when you're out there in front of all those instruments and you hear that huge sound coming at you, it's a thrilling, Big Kahuna moment." . In preparation for recording Both Sides Now, Mitchell drew down deep her enormous reserve of musical inspiration. "We looked to Duke Ellington," she recounts, "and we looked to the late romantics who were a major influence on the filmmakers of the '40s and, of course, Nina Rota, who kept that whole tradition of cinematic romance alive. And, when I was in Toronto, putting the tunestack together, I took to frequenting a bistro near my home that played mostly women singers of the era - Ella and Billie and Blossom Dearie - and it was there that I formulated what I would do and how I would do it.". What Joni Mitchell has done on Both Sides Now is both a tribute to the enduring power of great songs and a testament to her singular ability to make every note and each word her own. "This record is good for you," she asserts with characteristic aplomb. "It's transforming. Most people will cry a really good cry, which is hard to get off a record these days. It allows you to create a setting for a personal response, based on your own life and experience. It's a gift." :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:03:51 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: BSN Hey, Gerald - welcome to the list. So, you thought it was a Joni Mitchell discussion list? Wrong-oh! This is a list where anything and everything can be and IS discussed, sometimes ad nauseum. This is the only list I'm on (and it's probably a good thing) - however, I have been told by others who are on various lists, that this is the most loquacious group of all. It is probably indicative of the nature of Joni fans. As possible explanation or description of the group, all I can offer further to this is a few words of the lady herself: "Be prepared to bleed." "I talk too much - I talk too open and free." "All the people at this party, they've got a lot of style" (or maybe that should be "lots of styles".) Welcome to mayhem - I hope you enjoy your stay. P.S. Enjoyed and so much agreed with your closing comments on a comparitive view of "A case of you" - from Blue to BSN. - --- Gerald Heibert wrote: > I just discovered this discussion list, and, being a > HUGE Joni fan for > the past 30 years, I'm delighted to read your > comments and stories. > > I'm just a bit puzzled why people would be writing > in to discuss Kevin > Spacey's sexuality and that kind of stuff (I thought > Joni was the > focus!). > > Anyway, the new BSN CD has given me a whole new > perspective on her > work. The orchestra is so beautifully recorded, and > comparing A Case of > You to the Blue version gives us a poignant > perspective of the passage > of time, and how we've all grown up together. > > ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:07:06 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Elton's Jonispeak (snip) >I've never heard of Elton being a Joni fan before. What song do you >think he'll pick for the tribute? I can hear him singing For Free. >Phyliss, up late, can't sleep, long story... I hope it's "Pat's Solo" . - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:38:35 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: BSN Hi Gerald-there are two Joni lists-one is for those who prefer to read only the Joni Content and is called Only Joni. The Joni List includes anything as well as Joni Content. NJC(No Joni Content) is put in the subject of non Joni posts so that they do not go to the Only Joni People. welcome to the list bw colin Gerald Heibert wrote: > > I just discovered this discussion list, and, being a HUGE Joni fan for > the past 30 years, I'm delighted to read your comments and stories. > > I'm just a bit puzzled why people would be writing in to discuss Kevin > Spacey's sexuality and that kind of stuff (I thought Joni was the > focus!). > > Anyway, the new BSN CD has given me a whole new perspective on her > work. The orchestra is so beautifully recorded, and comparing A Case of > You to the Blue version gives us a poignant perspective of the passage > of time, and how we've all grown up together. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:54:23 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Mary Chapin Carpenter too As we're speculating on who's going to cover what, add Mary Chapin Carpenter to the mix at the tribute. This from Reuter's Entertainment: In early April, Carpenter will be in New York City to make a special guest appearance on Trisha Yearwood's A & E (Arts & Entertainment Channel) ``Live By Request´´ television special (airs live on April 1st, check local listings for time). While in the Big Apple, Carpenter will also join an all-star cast including James Taylor, Elton John, Shawn Colvin and k d. Lang in ``An All Star Tribute to Joni Mitchell.´´ The TNT Network television tribute will be broadcast on April 16th at 9pm (EST/PST) Penny, who's wishing web surfing were good physical exercise. ;-) NP Court and Spark, trying to picture Elton doing that at the tribute. ;-) Love came to my door With a sleeping roll And a madman across the water He thought for sure I'd seen him Dancing up the river in the dark Looking for an Elton To court and spark :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:53:37 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Madison Square Gardens YES - --- Louis Lynch wrote: > Hi all, > > Funny thing. I fell off the list for the entire > month of March. With 47 > musical shows and a full-time job, I don't have any > space this month for > anything. I was wondering where you were - I thought maybe the non-smoking had driven you right over the edge and you'd ended up getting yourself incarcerated or something! >I found out my job > as a singing cowboy at > the rodeo is covered by the contract I signed a few > years ago -- this is the > last year of the contract, not a renewal year. Yikes! Next time you will read the fine print, won't you? > Also, I broke my record. On St. Patrick's Day, come > the fifth and final > gig, this Irish harpist had a minor incident > involving twelve or thirteen > beers and ended up smoking a few cigarettes! Blame > it on the Guinness, me > lads! That's OK - you have to quit quite a few times before you *really* quit. > After a four week absence from the list, though, it > seems that the same old > age-old debate about gay sensitivity is still going > on and on, this time > about Kevin Spacey of all people. Really, does it > matter? You know, I have > never once questioned nor cared whether anyone else > prefers boys or girls, > oral or whatever, missionary or trapezes. Why > should someone's sex life be > fodder for public conversation I agree. Who someone is sleeping with is their business. Do we really need to hear the details of anyone's sex lives, whether it's who Joni was having an affair with when she wrote song-X, or whether or not Kevin Spacey (or anyone else) is hetero-, homo-, bi- or even a-sexual? I can appreciate the fact that some gays may feel the need to have public figures identify themselves in public as being gay because there IS discrimination. Maybe I'm being somewhat naive (or maybe it's because I live in a large city where there is tremendous diversity and, while there are cases of gay-bashing, as there are of racist attacks, by-and-large the population in a large diversified city is much more accepting perhaps than they would be in a small town where everyone comes from the same basic gene pool); however,as with most things that create controversy (and here I must pause to ask the rhetorical question: why does anyone's sexual orientation even *need* to be controversial? IMO, it is what it is; it isn't a matter of choosing to be one way or the other; after which, another pause to catch my breath), there are probably a small percentage of people who are radically against [you-name-it], an equal number who are radically pro, but a greater percentage than those 2 combined who are in the middle, whose attitude is largely live-and-let-live. You can never win any kind of political battle by trying to convince the radical antis to be on your side - what you want to do is convince those in the middle that you're just as OK as anyone else is. IMO the best way to do that is to be who you are - if that means, you're a quiet person who happens to be gay, or a raging queen, that's who you are. On the other hand, I've never been attacked physically or verbally over sexual orientation, so what would I know? On the other hand (I guess I've moved on to feet by now!), I'm a woman, so I've had a case or two of people making unwanted moves on me, and I don't like that either. The odds of being attacked physically or sexually are greater if you're a woman than they are if you're a man, largely because women are usually smaller than men. Ultimately, those who attack others are usually cowards who feel the need to establish dominance over others to make themselves feel bigger and better - the bully from the schoolyard grows bigger, but not up. As usual, my diatribe draws to an end and I have no idea what I was talking about, so I'll just say TTFN. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:55:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: cd - --- FredNow@aol.com wrote: > Depending on how things go with this first volume, > I'm hoping to parlay this > into a continuing series: Songs of My Youth Vol. 2, > 3, etc., some solo and > maybe some ensemble. You could continue with Songs of my middle age; Songs of my old age and so on - it looks like you are on a roll! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:03:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hello Again my friends (vljc) - --- Hejira wrote: "Roy stayed in the kitchen for a while chatting to an old women(his words) who chain smoked it wasn't until his friend said what where you talking to Joni about that he found out it was Joni Mitchell and even then he didn't care. Can you believe it Joni was in England hanging out and someone I know meet her and didn't care and it was at a little gathering wow the things we could have talked about." Youth is wasted on the young - Joni is wasted on the Philistine. I would like to think you were having us all on, but I suspect you're not. Oh, . I guess Roy doesn't even remember what they were talking about - I imagine Joni could talk about everything and anything. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:06:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hello Again my friends (vljc) - --- catman wrote: What a pity it wasn't a fan. Still it might have better for Joni that it wasn't! You're probably right. If it were me, I'd probably have been reduced to slavering idiocy - not a pretty sight. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:51:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: tribute selections - --- Phyliss Ward wrote: > Anyone care to take a gander at what selections the > tributees will make > for the upcoming special? Elton John---Raised on Robbery Diana Krall---Moon at the Window; Be Cool Who is Wynona? Is that Wynona Judd? Is she a country singer? If so,.... "You turn me on, I'm a radio" seems a tad too obvious, but then, one can't expect much innovation in today's music industry. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:23:56 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN In a message dated 3/31/00 11:06:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, heibert@home.com writes: << I'm just a bit puzzled why people would be writing in to discuss Kevin Spacey's sexuality and that kind of stuff (I thought Joni was the focus!). >> welcome. there are some on this list who prefer not to be involved with any information that does not pertain to joni mitchell and to that end, the list has provided an avenue to filter all non joni mitchell comments, which you can read about on the web page. many others, myself included, find joni mitchell fans to be interesting people and that fact leads to broad based discussions. me personally, i would never stay on the list if it were only ever about joni mitchell as i can't limit my thinking to one talented artist. finally, some of these folks have been on this list for years now and they are very familiar with each other and that creates an affect of discussion as well. pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:28:14 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: more on EJ Jonispeak Early this week in an interview Elton complained that longtime contributors to the profession had to receive their Grammies off camera so that Christine, Mandy, Tiffany, and Ricky could be seen for the 40th time that week on tv. Sounded very Joni to me. Jerry np: Harry Connick, Jr. - Autumn In New York (my favorite season there) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:41:42 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Folk DJs react to BSN - --- Steve wrote: > These comments were posted on the FOLKDJ list. I've kept > them anonymous (except one) because I havn't asked > permission to re-post them. > > DJ 5 said: > > Joni does jazz, and finishes off this jazzy set. I'm really liking > what little I've heard of the new Joni, no matter how much she may not be > folk. Hey, we all gotta grow sometimes. I've listened a few dozen times already and I'm really liking it too > DJ 1: > > Joni Mitchell/ Both Sides Now/ Reprise > I didn't much like this album big snip > Just give me a scotch and a cigarette, hon. You can pass me the scotch, but can I trade the cigarette in for a j? > DJ 4: (OK, it's obviously Gene Shay) > > In 1967 three days after she wrote , "Both Sides Now" she sang in on my > folk show on WHAT-FM (those call letters were changed to WWDB years later). > That's the first time the song was ever heard on the radio. But is BSN on one of the Second Fret tapes?? later, Brian np: Garnet Rogers, Speaking Softly in the Dark ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:45:15 -0700 From: Kate Subject: mendel, dream, bsn Kevin, I will be at the Mendel on June 30th, definitely. If we haven't made any prior plans to meet up, I'll be the blonde woman with a 12-year-old blonde boy using elbow crutches to walk and crash into the line-up of people waiting to meet Joni. Don't be shy! Dreamed I met Joni again last night and had a wonderful time with her. I love these dreams. She is always very warm and natural and easy to talk with, in them. My friend saw Joni interviewed lately on tv and said I would have been disappointed if I'd seen it because she looked very unhealthy ("terrible" was the word he used) and not only that, but she was "boring." HMPHHH!!! I don't THINK so!!!! I ran out and bought BSN as soon as it was released in Alberta and have been playing it repeatedly every day. In spite of not being familiar with a number of the songs, I sang along from the very beginning. And I found that -- and no, I am not an art connoisseur -- her cover painting is very full of life and light, that it has a living depth. Nice weekend, all, Kate of the North ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:26:40 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Folk DJs react to BSN In a message dated 3/31/00 1:53:25 PM US Central Standard Time, BrianGross@rocketmail.com writes: << In 1967 three days after she wrote , "Both Sides Now" she sang in on my > folk show on WHAT-FM (those call letters were changed to WWDB years later). > That's the first time the song was ever heard on the radio. But is BSN on one of the Second Fret tapes?? >> Brian, it might be on one of the Second Fret collections...I *know* it's on the "Looking Out For Love" collection that I have because the song is preceded by her comment about just having written it 3 days prior. To hear her say this always makes a lump in my throat, I mean, to hear her unveiling what would become a classic standard and not know it is just pretty awesome! Bob, off to SC's capital city for some adjudicating... NP: Buena Vista Social Club, "El Cuarto de Tula" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:28:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: tribute selections In a message dated 3/31/00 12:55:23 PM US Central Standard Time, catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca writes: << Who is Wynona? Is that Wynona Judd? Is she a country singer? If so,.... "You turn me on, I'm a radio" seems a tad too obvious, but then, one can't expect much innovation in today's music industry. >> Yes, it would be Wynonna Judd...she WILL be playing "Help Me" as it is featured on her new record. If that's not her selection, I'll be REEEEALLL surprised! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:35:05 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Another DJ chimes in... DJ 6: To piggyback on Gene Shay's recent Joni post, she did title her second LP "Clouds," so she's sort of come full circle with the new CD entitled "Both Sides Now." Since Gene mentioned Dave Van Ronk being an influence on Joni, I still find his version of "Both Sides Now" to be the best ever recorded, although Joni's new rendition is almost on par with it. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 07:39:51 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Creative Writing Project (SJC) Regarding Don Rowe's essay on "Furry Sings The Blues" I just thought I'd better remind anyone who is thinking of contributing that you don't need to be able to write essay's like Don's excellent piece of writing. Just a short list of things to look for in a particular selection would be fine. Any contributions are gratefully accepted :-) Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:34:49 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Joni covered by Nancy Wilson (VLJC) Kakki: I decided to get to the bottom (hopefully) of the "Has Nancy Wilson--jazz Nancy--ever recorded a Joni song. It turns out that Nancy Wilson in performing at The Blue Note, a NYC jazz club, this weekend. I'm going tomorrow night and I'm going to try to get the answer from Ms. Wilson herself. You had better use your connection Kakki, or else I may just beat you to the punch :-) Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:22:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni song on TV phyliss, was that the not-tonight-i've-got-a-headache-darling migraine or just the regular kind? ;-) wally > Made my evening...till I got > a migraine...but that's another story... > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:51:57 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni covered by Nancy Wilson (VLJC) Excellent Stephen!! >It turns out that Nancy Wilson in performing at The Blue >Note, a NYC jazz club, this weekend. I'm going tomorrow >night and I'm going to try to get the answer from Ms. Wilson > herself. This is TOO cool! Please let us know the set list if you can since you've greatly resparked my/our interest in Ms. Wilson now. I hope some of the other NYC jmdlers can also attend the show. It should be phenomenal. >You had better use your connection Kakki, or else I may just >beat you to the punch :-) Go for it! I'll keep the connection in reserve in case we have any trouble getting ahold of the possible prized recording ;-) By the way, there is a treasure trove of her old vinyls for sale on eBay - albums that are not currently available on CD. But most of the sellers don't list the song tracks! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:00:30 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: more on EJ Jonispeak In a message dated 3/31/00 2:38:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: << Elton.....Sounded very Joni to me. >> i think elton is very joni like indeed. and i really like elton for his honesty. pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:41:19 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni covered by Nancy Wilson (VLJC) <> Have you two tried All Music Guide allmusic.com? They have what looks like a pretty comprehensive list of who has covered Joni's songs. (Nancy Wilson didn't show up, but then neither did Diane Reeves cover of River.....think it may just be too new.) But you can also search Nancy Wilson's extensive page and pull up track listings there. I looked up the last few years, and didn't find anything. Covers of songs from BSN though. Sorry Kakki, I tried to help put you back to at least even. ;-) The underdog, ya know..... you don't get to meet Miss Wilson tomorrow night. ;-) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:32:47 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni covered by Nancy Wilson (VLJC) > Have you two tried All Music Guide allmusic.com? Oh Penny, of course I have! But you see Stephen and I are on this quixotic chase at this point.... ;-) >They have what looks like a pretty comprehensive list of who >has covered Joni's songs. (Nancy Wilson didn't show up, but >then neither did Diane Reeves cover of River.....think it may >just be too new.) But you can also search Nancy Wilson's >extensive page and pull up track listings there. I looked up >the last few years, and didn't find anything. What's kept me from throwing in the towel was that those web pages did not list some of the obscure old NW vinyls I saw on eBay. >Covers of songs from BSN though. She has done several - maybe we'll just have to settle for a consolation "cover". >Sorry Kakki, I tried to help put you back to at least even. > ;-) The underdog, ya know..... you don't get to meet Miss Wilson tomorrow night. ;-) Thanks for helping! Well, if she confirms that there has been NJC in her career, maybe Stephen can inspire her to add some to her repetoire. And hey, as long as she is in NYC right now, maybe it's not to late to add her to the line-up over at the Hammersmith next week ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:53:16 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: re: tribute selections Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:52:58 -0800 (PST) From: Lori Fye Catherine (in Toronto) wrote: > Who is Wynona? Is that Wynona Judd? Is she a country > singer? If so,.... "You turn me on, I'm a radio" > seems a tad too obvious, but then, one can't expect > much innovation in today's music industry. Wynonna (Judd) is generally regarded as a country singer, but she does a terrific job of singing in other genres. Wynonna covered "Help Me" on her recently released CD, "New Day Dawning." Her version is fabulous, and the arrangement is eerily similar to the original. Lori in DC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:26:36 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni covered by Nancy Wilson (VLJC) <> Fer sure, that's a great thought! Pressure's on Stephen.....now the world will be counting on you! ;-) (way to turn the tables Kakki. wink) And how about also, since Bry Bry even paid for his own ticket, having him do his smoke'n version of Black Crow! He'd wow the crowd too! Congrats to both of our JMDLers for scoring tribute tickets! Whoohoo! Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:40:01 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: More on Joni L.A. Tickets For those who did not get in on the priority tickets pre-sale for the L.A. show May 12th, the public ticket sale starts this Sunday, April 2nd at 10:00 a.m.through Ticketmaster. The phone numbers are (213) 365-6300, (213) 480-3232, (714) 703-2525, are (714) 740-2000. I just got around to reading this week's L.A. Weekly and they have the full page BSN and Greek concert ad prominently displayed smack dab in the music section. It show the BSN cover painting in black and white (looking like a charcoal drawing) and is accented and bordered in bright red with the names of the the show cities listed around the border. It jumps right out at you. Get those phones and credit cards ready! ;-) Kakki NP: Christine Collister - Shades of Scarlett Conquering ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #118 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?