From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #100 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, March 17 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 100 Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund," with all donations going directly into the upkeep of the JoniMitchell.com website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds, and it will now be up to Jim to continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Aaaaahhhhh.....nice [AsharaJM@aol.com] Conversation [AsharaJM@aol.com] Sad, Happy, Sad, or: Both Sides Now in Topsfield [AsharaJM@aol.com] Listers and Jonifests [AsharaJM@aol.com] Joni Web Interview Transcript #2 ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: Sad, Happy, Sad, or: Both Sides Now in Topsfield [catman ] David Blue [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Sad, Happy, Sad, or: Both Sides Now in Topsfield [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Wirthless Reviews ["Matthew Hall" ] "Extra" lyrics: Conversation [Scott Price ] Joni Interview transcription #3 End ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Online Entertainment Weekly & People Short Joni Interview [mann@chicagon] Joni tour dates? [Randy Remote ] Interview Transcription #3 (end) ["Ken (Slarty)" ] mean review and other comments (almost all Joni content) [Bounced Message] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:06:34 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Aaaaahhhhh.....nice Loren, in bliss, wrote: <> Negatory on this one, Loren. I *still* do not have a copy in my little paws. I have sent the 3rd copy back to CdNow, and I am waiting for another, which is now *backordered!!!!!!!!!!* AAAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!! Can you say "frustrated?" Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:08:17 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Conversation Does anyone have the words to the extra "Conversation" verses that is on one of the underground tapes going around out there? I know they were posted before, but I can't seem to find what I did with it. Thanks!! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:35:33 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Sad, Happy, Sad, or: Both Sides Now in Topsfield Well, I've been trying to avoid writing this post, but can't seem to quite avoid it much longer. I am excited and sad that Joni is unconfirmed for the EXACT same date as the New Orleans Jonifest. :-( So....with much thought, I have decided that "if" the Boston date is confirmed, I will be going to not only the Boston show, but also the CT show the day before, instead of the New Orleans Fest. I am SO sad to think of missing this wonderful gathering of musicians and Joni lovers!! If the Boston date is confirmed, anyone that is going to the show and would like to stay at my house is welcome to. (Not unlimited numbers, but I can hold quite a few!) (This means that those in the UK have no excuse for missing this show!!) Just let me know if you are interested in staying here. Hmm....... if I'm going to miss out on all the incredible fun in New Orleans...... than maybe I should have a Jonifest in Topsfield...... hmm..... Labor Day might be a free weekend..... Hmm..... I wonder how I would go about having a Jonifest? ;-) Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:52:09 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Listers and Jonifests Since I am on a roll with posting.... (It seems like it is feast or famine with me lately on the list.) I just wanted to mention a JMDL siting while out in Oregon for college visits. Paul Meyer-Strom (pmeyer@ibm.net) e-mailed me to say he lived near where we were staying, and we decided to get together for dinner. We had the most WONDERFUL time with him, his lovely wife and daughter, and my oldest son. The minute we met, we started talking, and I think we would have gone on for the next 3 weeks if it wasn't for the respective family members (whose eyes were starting to glaze over) and an early flight time the next morning. I encourage anyone who is remotely thinking of attending the New Orleans Fest to GO!!!! The people that I have met that are on this list (which are many by this time!) are incredibly kind, generous, articulate, warm souls. Each and every time I meet someone, it is like meeting a long lost relative. (If you absolutely just "can't" make New Orleans... and just "have" to meet these wonderful listers.... you "might want to think about setting aside Labor Day weekend...... you never know what "might" come up!!!) (And *of course* if you "are" going to New Orleans, you ABSOLUTELY should set aside that weekend, because after meeting so many wonderful listers, you will ABSOLUTELY want to do it again!!!) ("If" anything is happening that weekend, of course!) ;-) Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:18:38 -0500 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Joni Web Interview Transcript #2 So many of the end stories and wormwood is ah um comes the meteor it comes and it's a toxic meteor, maybe it's soluble mercury who knows what it's metal... what it's contents is but it pollutes all of the waters in the known world and this was dreamed when the world was very small. Um, as we speak there are meteors heading towards the planet and they are trying to figure out if they can blow them up before they hit you know, so much of the end stories are with us and they were told and told for thousands and thousands of years and they're here so... The Mayan calendar and I don't know weather this...the exact date... was a perfect calendar or is a perfect calendar that ends in 2020 something and mysteriously it was never completed. For many years I thought that was as far as we went as a species because of that. I... who knows why we believe things but when I heard that, it was at the time of Woodstock. Um the song Woodstock that I wrote basically was my own primitive instinct that we were rushing towards the end, that we were making with our short sightedness and our greed this planet uninhabitable for our species unwittingly or uncaringly or whatever it is. Um and at that time I felt that there was only one way out and that is what the song Woodstock basically means. We've got to get ourselves back to the garden, basically we have to undo our electrical appetites in reverse. It's an impossible dream, you know. We won't therefore we will have to face some kind of music at the turn of the century or a shortly there after. I mean we already are. We are in trouble with our air and water and we are water drinking, air breathing organisms. We don't have a um (thinking) an overlord. We need a benign dictator (laughs) for the globe, you know. I say, you know we should have the Delhi Lama in charge as our global overseer. He seems to be the only man in a leadership position with the wisdom to perhaps guide us through this and ah um... I doubt that he can be bought. You know. Part 3 To come. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:08:13 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Sad, Happy, Sad, or: Both Sides Now in Topsfield > > > If the Boston date is confirmed, anyone that is going to the show and would > like to stay at my house is welcome to. (Not unlimited numbers, but I can > hold quite a few!) (This means that those in the UK have no excuse for > missing this show!!) Ashara-thank you for the invitation. However, there is that little thing called money..... needed for air fares, concert tickets and the like! Not to mention dog/cat sitters! bw colin ps however, i do have every intention of visting the States again before I kick the bucket. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:10:19 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni Web Interview Transcript #2 "Ken (Slarty)" wrote: > So many of the end stories and wormwood is ah um comes the meteor it > comes and it's a toxic meteor, maybe it's soluble mercury who knows > what it's metal... what it's contents is but it pollutes all of the > waters in the known world and this was dreamed when the world was very > small. Um, as we speak there are meteors heading towards the planet > and they are trying to figure out if they can blow them up before > they hit you know, so much of the end stories are with us and they > were told and told for thousands and thousands of years and they're > here so... The Mayan calendar and I don't know weather this...the > exact date... was a perfect calendar or is a perfect calendar that > ends in 2020 something and mysteriously it was never completed. Is Hole back on the list? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:40:28 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Joni in New Vanity Fair Insert There's a wonderful two-page photo in a new insert in the latest Vanity Fair -- it pictures a radiantly smiling Joni, alongside Madonna, kd lang and Cher at a '99 Oscars party -- if memory serves. Well worth a scan and post on jm.com -- if it's not there already. Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:13:23 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: David Blue Bob wrote: > David Blue - Lover Lover Lover (my guess is there's a Joni vocal in here > somewhere?) Great work with the compilation, Bob. It should be fun playing spot the Joni on some of the tracks like David Blue's. And I wonder what kind of fellow was David Blue to be the subject of so powerful a song as Blue. He was a Bob Dylan sidekick and was rumoured to be tangled up in Bob's tunes It's All Over Now Baby Blue and Positively 4th Street. Barney Hoskyns wrote in his book about the Los Angeles music scene that it was Blue who brought Tom Waits to the attention of Roberts and Geffen at Asylum. He died in the 80s and was apparently depressed that unlike his friends his own records never achieved commercial success. Here's to you Mr Blue wherever you are. Philip - - going out to party like it's paddy's weekend 2000 but open to correction by more knowledgeable Jonists and Bobists. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:57:07 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sad, Happy, Sad, or: Both Sides Now in Topsfield <> Ashara, Maybe you want to check on the JMDL website; you might find some history and tips for throwing a good one! (Big wink back atcha!) Bob, already looking forward to Labor Day... NP: Todd, "Black & White" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:47:02 -0000 From: "Matthew Hall" Subject: Re: Wirthless Reviews - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Paz Subject: Wirthless Reviews > I don't know why we insist on re-publishing these wirthless reviews of > Joni's recordings. It's bad enough that some of them may not have enough > maturity to even understand the impact of them, but then again I MAY be > biased. Who ever posted Mr. Wirth-less' review please keep an eye open for > something he does like. My bet is, he's probably more impressed by Smashing > Pumpkins or maybe even Hole. > > Michael Michael, I can't believe that you just attacked the NME reviewer for making unsubstantiated comments based on his own pre-conceived opinions as opposed to the actual quality of the music, and then proceeded to make one of your own right at the very end! Presumably you would prefer him to be objective? Me too. But that really isn't the way the NME works and we should be used to that by now. I take the reviews with a big pinch of salt. But the fact that he gave it six out of ten after completely slagging it off, suggests that he probably liked it much more than he let on. Or maybe he didn't. Who cares? It's just a shame that this review may become some people's only reference of the album. Matthew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:14:18 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: "Extra" lyrics: Conversation Ashara(?) asked about the "extra" lyrics for "Conversation." To the best of my recollection (probably not too good!) they go like this: He's acted down all evening Maybe it's over now Maybe she's finally leaving I'd like to show her now But friends are friends forever So hard to change their role Laugh with him--cry together A friend feels so old But you keep your feelings deep inside You talk of them and think of pride Now is the wrong time But maybe if a dozen days are warm and right You'll hear him say "I've wanted you baby for such a long time" Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:36:26 -0500 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Joni Interview transcription #3 End Question: What is your personal feeling about these sort of philosophies and things, I mean do you think it's a transition or do you think it's the end or do you have a sort of ... ah, what's your sort of best and worse case scenario for this state we are in our transition into this next millennium. Joni: Because of our greed and nothing is showing any signs of changing our human nature um because of business and money and survival um and because of the desperate complexities of many of the problems, for instance the amazon um and the deeply entrenched warring instincts, these relentless wars the tribal... ah it just seems to be in the DNA. Um I don't have very much hope for us to evolve to the kind of creature that can take stock of it's peril and those creatures who can take stock of their peril are powerless against those organisms which are simply shackle oriented, you know. So I don't really know how we are really going to get out of this. Many must die, you know. I mean the plagues are with us. Many must die that some may live. So in a way even these atrocities, on the over view, on a higher level are necessary or there will be survival of none of our species; If you think our species is important. I don't know if it is or not. You know, perhaps we were sent here to be the catalysts of the destruction of this, you know. Maybe we are filling our destiny as appalling as it is. Who knows, you know, if there is a master plan um of some kind. Because I've had three prophetic dreams... um, the time between the dreaming and the actual realization in two of them was about a month and another one was longer but within a fifteen month period. So with that personal experience of prophecy through dreaming um when the dream comes you can't... you don't know it's a prophecy until the actuality happens... and then ahhha! You know, like so I do believe in prophetic ability you know I know that something... that the subconscious as Jong would say, um does not know the concept past present future. That's the concept that was invented by conscious mind and so it flows freely through time on that level and um I don't really have any optimism for the future, for us getting out of this mess but while there are still pockets of greenery and birds flitting by, I just try to make the best of what is left. For a long time, in my twenties especially I would look at nature in its voluptuousness and feel sad you know, like it's going it's just ... You know. Now I can look at the smallest piece, you know, and enjoy it for what it is. I'm getting more present as I get older um I don't really see anyway out of it we are a stupid animal (laughs). (Laughing) We are a stupid animal, you know. End ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:16:51 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Online Entertainment Weekly & People Short Joni Interview Don't know if this has already been posted or not. Entertainment Weekly Interview (w/picture) http://www.ew.com/ew/fab400/music100/int5.html People Magazine Interview (w/picture) http://people.aol.com/people/pprofiles/jmitchell/bio.html Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:20:14 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni tour dates? The latest, as I understand it: Drummer Peter Erskine has listed 12 BSN concert dates on his website for the 2nd half of May, but Joni's management has refused to confirm them. I would imagine that the dates are accurate if he is announcing them as happening. Did you get that email from Paul C a few days ago on the list? If not I can repost it. RR Phyliss Ward wrote: > > Did I miss something here? Do we have anything definitive on ticket sales for > the Joni concerts? > > Phyliss > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:15:37 -0500 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Interview Transcription #3 (end) Question: What is your personal feeling about these sort of philosophies and things, I mean do you think it's a transition or do you think it's the end or do you have a sort of ... ah, what's your sort of best and worse case scenario for this state we are in our transition into this next millennium. Joni: Because of our greed and nothing is showing any signs of changing our human nature um because of business and money and survival um and because of the desperate complexities of many of the problems, for instance the amazon um and the deeply entrenched warring instincts, these relentless wars the tribal... ah it just seems to be in the DNA. Um I don't have very much hope for us to evolve to the kind of creature that can take stock of it's peril and those creatures who can take stock of their peril are powerless against those organisms which are simply shackle oriented, you know. So I don't really know how we are really going to get out of this. Many must die, you know. I mean the plagues are with us. Many must die that some may live. So in a way even these atrocities, on the over view, on a higher level are necessary or there will be survival of none of our species; If you think our species is important. I don't know if it is or not. You know, perhaps we were sent here to be the catalysts of the destruction of this, you know. Maybe we are filling our destiny as appalling as it is. Who knows, you know, if there is a master plan um of some kind. Because I've had three prophetic dreams... um, the time between the dreaming and the actual realization in two of them was about a month and another one was longer but within a fifteen month period. So with that personal experience of prophecy through dreaming um when the dream comes you can't... you don't know it's a prophecy until the actuality happens... and then ahhha! You know, like so I do believe in prophetic ability you know I know that something... that the subconscious as Jong would say, um does not know the concept past present future. That's the concept that was invented by conscious mind and so it flows freely through time on that level and um I don't really have any optimism for the future, for us getting out of this mess but while there are still pockets of greenery and birds flitting by, I just try to make the best of what is left. For a long time, in my twenties especially I would look at nature in its voluptuousness and feel sad you know, like it's going it's just ... You know. Now I can look at the smallest piece, you know, and enjoy it for what it is. I'm getting more present as I get older um I don't really see anyway out of it we are a stupid animal (laughs). (Laughing) We are a stupid animal, you know. End ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:28:26 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: mean review and other comments (almost all Joni content) From: "geronimo" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:53:20 +1100 I don't suppose we should drag this NME thing on forever - a review is just one person's opinion. But having said that, what pisses me off about it is that it belittles Mitchell, treats her as if she was some two-bit artist, half gaga with age - Its patronising and not worthy of = magazine that used to take serious music seriously On the other hand I have just read Alan Jackson's piece for the Times (thank you Stephen) and its probably the best Joni article in ages. His writing is spot on (I love his descriptions of JM including "extravagantly talented") and Mitchell's responses are to the point and gracious - putting her sometimes bitter comments on other artists into perspective. Just played BSN again, but this time on the stereo next door with the big Wharfdales! What a difference! Am going out to buy new speakers this weekend. Any suggestions? I'll be taking along BSN and other Joni's for the test runs, that's for sure. In love (with BSN) Nicholas ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #100 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?